I had a revelation today…

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I couldn’t agree more ((((Charla)))) and thank you so much!  : ) ——-

<part of sweet post snipped to emphasize below <"it seems as things are headed in the direction we are here for" support".(a smile, a hug, a tear ,a laugh). Thank you "all" for being here.Not one person makes up this special community It is made up of dervisty of all the unique persons each in equal importance"

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…Life IS too short, ::::wonderful post snipped:::: It was a wonderful feeling to open this thread and see a post by you Parker. You and Kelly were sorely missed here. I am glad that both of you have changed your minds and have returned not only to a place that you both *belong* too, but a place that was not the same without you. I agree with you a hundred percent about Edward, lets killfile and ignore him. boring here.

First of all, i resent and deny the accusations of being a troll. I only raised an issue that needed to be seen, and i did so without malicious intent or disrespect. If anyone got offended, it was not my goal. I only sought to bring it into the open and to have everyone consider the situation, and the impact it would have on the future. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 "Knowledge demands sacrifice." -Tojira, swamp queen

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Welcome back Kelly and Parker!  I am glad you decided to return and participate in the group. While I respect your feelings and opinions, Parker, I have spent most of my life being told by others who and what I should "killfile."  Yes, Ed did get out of hand for a while – so did a lot of people.

If you dont mind, i would like you to point out where it was that i was out of line or inappropriate, Dot? You dont have to quote, just tell me so i can consider and correct you if i feel you are mislead. But he is dealing with the same issues we are.  And he’s dealing with them alone.

I appreciate your concern, Dot, but dont worry about me. I have accustomed to lonelyness. As im sure many others in here have as well, ever since the anxiety disorder took control of their lives. Besides, I couldn’t killfile or filter anything if I wanted to — I have WEB TV!

Thats a good thing Dot. Ignorance is bliss, but it prohibits advancement, in my opinion. Sure, it may save you some aggitation, but in the long run, i think that knowledge is power. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 "They are bred to suffer and born to die. Much like humans." -Gix, Yawgmoth praetor

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I have missed you all so much and have decided that I will give it another go at the group, until my feelings again become hurt to the point that I have to leave.

Glad to have you back!  : )   When I first came, you were among the people who gave me a warm welcome.  I will always remember and appreciate that.   Don’t let anyone else get under your skin and cause you to leave.  You have a lot to offer this group, so PLEASE stick around! – Mike

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I’m glad you are back Kemaro.  Now STAY!  : ) – Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ….Life IS too short, as Tami’s post stated.  Life is too short to let petty things disturb or hurt you.  This stupid quarrel is infinitesimal compared to the daily problems that we all face which need attention and support.  I feel really confident about my time spent here at ASAP; I feel I have added a lot of positive energy.   I logged on this morning and was so touched by the posts I read!  It just brought tears to my eyes reading that I was missed.   I have missed you all so much and have decided that I will give it another go at the group, until my feelings again become hurt to the point that I have to leave. To Edward Schwank: You have obviously had your turn to speak while I was away and unable to defend myself.  Now it’s MY turn. Edward:  I accuse you of attempting character assassination.  I would urge anyone within eyeshot not to be fooled by this person’s intellectual masturbation and double-talk.  HE is the real troll.  I was NEVER upset by alexander.  And it was also not as was surmised, that I was somehow ashamed of my behaviour towards alexander.  I was not.  Anyone with a sense of humour could obviously tell I was having big fun with that troll (alexander).  My posts to him were blatantly  silly and it was an attempt to make him look foolish and also provide us a few laughs.  A couple of people have shown themselves to be startlingly devoid of humour, and obviously didn’t "get it". These are people who claim to have been around Usenet and ngs before, and yet they are shocked when a troll is flamed?  They have NEVER BEFORE seen people lash out at a troll who threatens to destroy the safety of their community?? I find this VERY hard to believe.  I keep hearing all this crap about how "that person (troll) is a human being!"  While this is ridiculously obvious, the inference is that the troll deserves to be treated with respect and have his needs met here.  I HEARTILY DISAGREE.  When a "human being" posts inflammatory, false, and hurtful information in – of ALL places – an anxiety support group – then any flaming, name-calling, bad language, etc. is FULLY deserved, IMO.  You dish it out – you take it.  People who defend trolls against supportive ng members are WRONG and are incredibly disturbed and confused individuals.   Edward you say you lurked quite a while before posting.  You are a liar.   You hadn’t even read the FAQs before (and maybe not since) posting that long/psychotic/anti-meds/conspiracy theory/crapola.  You made a comment about Jennings after you first arrived and I sent you a short e-mail warning you that Jennings had recently died and that it was a very delicate subject.  I told you that Char was in a fragile state concerning this and I asked you to not bring the subject up again unless Char expressed specifically that she wanted to discuss it.  (There was nothing at all uncivil in this e-mail, which anyone may see if they wish to.)  If you had lurked at ALL prior to making that comment you would have KNOWN that Jennings was recently deceased, and that MAYBE it was not such a good idea to bring it up.  Perhaps you even knew and decided to make the comment anyway?  Perhaps you were embarrassed and resented that I e-mailed you concerning your faux pas?  If you had lurked any time at all you also would have known that many of us rely on medicine to live, do NOT appreciate anti-meds lectures, and common sense should have told you that one thing an anti-anxiety newsgroup does NOT need is conspiracy theories (i.e. your opening post)!!! You have made an ass out of yourself by falling into the trap of a cut-rate troll.  The fact that you took him seriously for even a moment suggests that you are not operating at full-capacity, and have issues which are CLEARLY beyond the scope of this newsgroup.  He used FAR more obscene language in his few posts than I have used in total at this newsgroup in the year+ that I have been here.  And yet, *I* am the one you choose to attack and call "vulgar". (???)  Your logic is odd and skewed. This repeated "clique" accusation seems to encompass those people who post often, defend other regular, supportive posters from outsiders who attempt to upset them (a reaction any friend would have), and posters who challenge the haphazard, unsubstantiated medical advice that floats in from time to time.  If this is a clique, sign me up. I came back in June and since then I have met several newbies who are now regulars:  Roo, Cheryl (Cheryl were you here already? hee. : ) can’t remember) Kelly, Charla, Bill, Deliverer, MaryK, Paul – JUST TO NAME A FEW.  Some people were already here when I came back.  But I think they will ALL testify that the people who greeted them were very kind and open and embraced them, encouraging them to join in.   Why?  Because they were genuine, without antagonistic agenda, were seeking support and were obviously willing to give it (and as it happens, they often give it to a degree beyond the call of duty).  Again, there are many other generous people here too – these are just a few who have appeared since I came back. After posting that LENGTHY anti-meds article, you attacked Cndhawk’s post, later referring to her intent as an unpardonable crime.  LOL!!  You are hateful and ILL!!!!!!  Did you think attacking that sweet post was going to win friends and influence people?  Come ON!  You’re a troll!!  Either that or you have ZERO personal skills and have NO CLUE as to how to deal with other people.  You have taken the opportunity every single day that I have been gone to drag up even weeks-old posts by me, cleverly edited btw, and have attempted to refute the advice and support I gave.  You continued to attack me AFTER I left, REPEATEDLY, when you KNEW I was not here to defend myself.  What kind of a "man" are you?   Edward, you alienated yourself from the people at ASAP from the very beginning by being antagonistic, rude, and dismissive.  You say things like "It’s your problem if that bothers you.  My opinions are honest."  If the rest of us were rude assholes like you, we could say the same thing each and every time we post, now couldn’t we?  Your opinions are honest ONLY in the sense that you BELIEVE they are.  *MY* belief is that you are deluded and incredibly and unnecessarily cruel.  And THAT is just as honest.  Don’t think you can slither by me with that double-talk.  You are transparent.   I want to thank all (well, most) of you, from the deepest part of my heart, for your support.  I try not to let it be important, but damn it all – your approval IS important to me.  I love you all very much and I love being here sharing a part of my life with you.  I constantly learn new things from you all, from your very characters, from your stories, and from your emotions, which ebb and flow just like mine.  There is very little in this newsgroup that I will not overlook or dismiss as a bad day, a heat-of-the-moment harsh post, or a tantrum.  They are all human outpourings and they all pass.  We may correct each other, we may gently nudge, we may fuss or express hurt feelings, but we know the love is there.  That’s what makes this newsgroup SO amazing: the people.  All of you.   I have cringed each time one of you was attacked and dismissed by "alexander" and now THIS person. What I will NOT overlook, EDWARD, is this bizarre, evil agenda you seem to have in regard to me, and the mistreatment and hurt feelings of my friends.  You have NOT helped here.  Your sentiment is TACKED ON and loveless.  You have raised more anxiety in your short time here than you have soothed.  WE ARE ABOUT PEACE AND WELLNESS.  You have brought us NEITHER!   I would like everyone here to think about this:   Think of everything at ASAP that Edward has ever posted. Now think of everything at ASAP that I have ever posted. I think this information speaks for itself. I have one final suggestion, and that is that in order to get on with the business of support and comfort, that you all put Edward into your killfiles and filters.  If anyone would like to do this and does not know how, please post or e-mail asking for help and maybe we can get someone with a similar server to help you.   I will not be quoting any of Edward’s "material" from here on out, even if someone else includes it in a post.  KILLFILING AND IGNORING ARE WEAPONS WE HAVE AND MUST USE IN ORDER TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM TROLLS.  The safety of ASAP is at stake, as well as our individual peace of mind.  I believe that when a person is adamantly rude and hurtful, that his privileges to continue on that way should be revoked, and his forum denied him.  I have never TOLD anyone how to feel about anything.  It’s ridiculous to think I would.  I think we should be able to put our feelings down in a relatively tactful, respectful manner, but WITHOUT having to triple-check every single phrase because we are terrified that someone will rip apart what we have said just to point out and blow up some tiny flaw.  No one can withstand all this petty bickering for long, and no one should have to!  I simply hate that we even have to discuss it!  It’s like a stupid soap opera!   I truly and sincerely apologize to ASAP for the upset this has caused everyone.  I think you know I would have rather it NEVER happened!  I am just very protective of this place, of you all, and of

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Welcome back Parker & Kemaro… o~ Playing the Welcome Back Kotter theme song o~ LOL — Steve

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First of all, i resent and deny the accusations of being a troll. I only raised an issue that needed to be seen, and i did so without malicious intent or disrespect. If anyone got offended, it was not my goal. I only sought to bring it into the open and to have everyone consider the situation, and the impact it would have on the future.

There is one person that I see determined to bring this newsgroup down, and that is you. Instead of spending what must be hours and hours on these diatribes, you could be putting that effort into supporting the many posters here that need support or advice. All I see is a person who keeps stoking the flames here. If it wasn`t your intent to offend so many people here, then you have failed a problem with you, we all can`t be wrong. Some of the people that are offended by you are new here, so you can`t use the clique excuse. You need to do some soul searching and examine why people have such a problem with you. You have had only one person agree with your actions here thus far. The one thing that has me completely convinced that you are a *troll* was reading a post where you tell us that you are going to re-post that *Newbie* beware post over and over again. That post is like 2 years old, the people involved are long gone. Most of us were not even here when that post was first posted here. Go to deja news and read past posts from ASAP, the ones before caring this support group *IS*.  A *troll* won`t do that, because he doesn`t care how nice the newsgroup was before he came. I gave you a chance when you first arrived at ASAP. I was one of only two or three people that responded to your intro post. You were welcomed here….or maybe you forgot? Edward this newsgroup does not need saving from you. I think I can speak for *most* here when I say we are happy the way ASAP functions as a support group. If you are not happy then you can move on, but I can assure you that what ever you do, you will not change the care and support that is at this newsgroup. If anything we are more determined than ever that it won`t change. Remember that Jackie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snipped Parker's letter]   Parker, I agree totally…that is why I joined you! Ya’ll don’t be fooled by wolves in sheeps clothing. Anyone here who is really here for support would never make negative comments to ANYONE about medications and so forth, with any sense they would know this would scare the hell out of people on this ng! Every human being possesses the capacity to discern right from wrong, truth from false.

Some of them don’t know right from left though.  How can you discern right from wrong if you get right from left confused?  It gets even worse you have one foot in your mouth.  Which foot is it that your tongue is sampling the fungus of and licking the callouses on? Eddie

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Parker and Kelly,  I love you both, that is it in a big anxiety-less ridden nutshell!  You have been a very soothing part of my healing since I have frequented this ng…and it’s been since June I think?  I remember you from before, Parker, you always wrote the nicest posts, and I remember thinking, she writes *love* before her name like me.  Stay….I will defend you with my flame retardant suit I bought when alt support step parenting flamebroiled me over saying green hair on an 11 year old was ridiculous.  If I can survive that broil-war, we can survive on here!  Love Cheryl

Cheryl, You might have been talking to a group of trolls.  Trolls think that green hair on an eleven year old is normal.  Most of their hair is green even on the warts and blemishes on their filthy skin.  Trolls are very vulnerable to fire.  It is so difficult for them to regenerate that way.  They have thick disgusting hides until you burn them. ==deliverer== early morning comedy.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Parker, There are alot of things swimming around in my head. One on top is ((((Suish)))((((Parker))) Being able to shut down your computer and walk away to take care of yourself is very healthy mental thing to do. IMO. It reminds me of Anger management.Step back take a deep breath and think.This I admire in you.Angry or not the situation was not healthy or supportive. I for one had a few laughs over the post with ALEX and thought i certainly could not stay as detached on this as you if I was to get involved.I take things to personal.I was glad for the people here that could come forward and put correction on the misguiding post by" it".. I will  keep in mind your opinion of Edward while Im forming mine.

Very responsable and mature of you. Good luck. ill just say this and not referr to whom im speaking of as yet. Wording things just the right way and not giving room for a few mistakes makes me feel persons are somewhat detached and not really emotionally involved where it counts. however I am still not in conclusion.

I dont think you are refering to me, because my english vocabulary is not very well honed and i often use another word instead of the one i really want because it doesnt come to mind. But if it is, i appreciate the compliment. To be honest, however, i am certainly detached and not at all emotionally involved, because, of course, of my anxiety disorder. I havent had a life for over 5 years now. Just to put things on the table. Im not perfect and i accept that. But i do sincerely beleave that i am right in fighting this war for tolerance and compassion so that everyone may benefit from this newsgroup, not just the clique of oppresion. But if you join them i understand. I wont hold it against you. Maybe i wont win this war, but i feel that i must, for the future of this newsgroup and to create a greater opportunity for all. [snipped parker's post] — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 Truth is stranger than fiction

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[snipped Parker's letter]   Parker, I agree totally…that is why I joined you! Ya’ll don’t be fooled by wolves in sheeps clothing. Anyone here who is really here for support would never make negative comments to ANYONE about medications and so forth, with any sense they would know this would scare the hell out of people on this ng!

Every human being possesses the capacity to discern right from wrong, truth from false. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 Kyrie eleison (x3). Christe eleison (x3). Kyrie eleison (x3).

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …Life IS too short, as Tami’s post stated.  Life is too short to let petty things disturb or hurt you.  This stupid quarrel is infinitesimal compared to the daily problems that we all face which need attention and support.  I feel really confident about my time spent here at ASAP; I feel I have added a lot of positive energy. I logged on this morning and was so touched by the posts I read!  It just brought tears to my eyes reading that I was missed.   I have missed you all so much and have decided that I will give it another go at the group, until my feelings again become hurt to the point that I have to leave. To Edward Schwank: You have obviously had your turn to speak while I was away and unable to defend myself.  Now it’s MY turn. Edward:  I accuse you of attempting character assassination.

Of who, you? Your suspition is false and irrational. I would urge anyone within eyeshot not to be fooled by this person’s intellectual masturbation and double-talk.  HE is the real troll.

Only by your clique’s definition, where ANYONE that expresses another opinion, however polite, is a troll. I was NEVER upset by alexander.

I dont beleave that. Your rage was indefinately obvious. And it was also not as was surmised, that I was somehow ashamed of my behaviour towards alexander.  I was not.

Shame, because you should have been. Your pride and lack of honesty prohibits you. Anyone with a sense of humour could obviously tell I was having big fun with that troll (alexander). My posts to him were blatantly  silly and it was an attempt to make him look foolish and also provide us a few laughs.

Very immature and scornful laughter, it was. A couple of people have shown themselves to be startlingly devoid of humour, and obviously didn’t "get it".

There is nothing funny about being inconsiderate. These are people who claim to have been around Usenet and ngs before, and yet they are shocked when a troll is flamed?

I was shocked that you would stoop to such behavior, with such brutality and appauling nastyness. They have NEVER BEFORE seen people lash out at a troll who threatens to destroy the safety of their community?? I find this VERY hard to believe.

No, i have seen it before. And it always impresses me, nonetheless. I keep hearing all this crap about how "that person (troll) is a human being!"  While this is ridiculously obvious, the inference is that the troll deserves to be treated with respect and have his needs met here.  I HEARTILY DISAGREE.

So do i. But Alexander was not a troll at the start of the discussion. He became one after you and others became one first. When a "human being" posts inflammatory, false, and hurtful information in – of ALL places – an anxiety support group – then any flaming, name-calling, bad language, etc. is FULLY deserved, IMO.

Then i pity your horribly twisted and perverted opinion. You dish it out – you take it.

Well then by that logic, you shouldnt be upset that you are being offended, should you? People who defend trolls against supportive ng members are WRONG and are incredibly disturbed and confused individuals.

However, i never supported the trollishness of Alexander. I supported his understandable reaction to your clique’s cruel and cowardly gang up on him. Edward you say you lurked quite a while before posting.  You are a liar.   You hadn’t even read the FAQs before (and maybe not since) posting that long/psychotic/anti-meds/conspiracy theory/crapola.

You are correct on one thing; i hadnt read the FAQ. And i still havent. I often tend to leap before i look, because i am impatient at times. You made a comment about Jennings after you first arrived and I sent you a short e-mail warning you that Jennings had recently died and that it was a very delicate subject.  I told you that Char was in a fragile state concerning this and I asked you to not bring the subject up again unless Char expressed specifically that she wanted to discuss it.  (There was nothing at all uncivil in this e-mail, which anyone may see if they wish to.)

That is correct and i was not offended by it in the least. I didnt even respond to it. I never made any comment about the cat either, with respects to Char. In fact, i was pleased to find such apparent comradery in the NG and was anxious to take part. If you had lurked at ALL prior to making that comment you would have KNOWN that Jennings was recently deceased, and that MAYBE it was not such a good idea to bring it up.

Not at all. There were over 1000 messages to read at the time, and i did not have the time or patience to read them all at once. Besides, when i got here the incident had already past, and i never knew about it. But even if i did, there was nothing wrong in commenting about my fondness of Jennings or cats whatsoever, because i had just entered the NG and hadnt read past messages. I read several hundred, but then grew tired when i realized how active the group was, and decided to mark all as read, or else i would never catch up. Perhaps you even knew and decided to make the comment anyway?

That would have been blatenly cruel and insensitive. I have proven that i am not that kind of person. Besides, i never even knew Char. Perhaps you were embarrassed and resented that I e-mailed you concerning your faux pas?

That is an absurd conclusion. I never even replied to that e-mail. If you had lurked any time at all you also would have known that many of us rely on medicine to live, do NOT appreciate anti-meds lectures, and common sense should have told you that one thing an anti-anxiety newsgroup does NOT need is conspiracy theories (i.e. your opening post)!!!

And if you were as dedicated a member as you pretend, you would have known that the article on Prozac was NOT my opening post. My opening post was an intruductory "Hi" message. You have made an ass out of yourself by falling into the trap of a cut-rate troll. The fact that you took him seriously for even a moment suggests that you are not operating at full-capacity, and have issues which are CLEARLY beyond the scope of this newsgroup.  He used FAR more obscene language in his few posts than I have used in total at this newsgroup in the year+ that I have been here.

Mayhaps, but that is irrelevant. Your obscene behavior more than makes up for it. And yet, *I* am the one you choose to attack and call "vulgar".

I was not just attacking you. It was the entire hate clique that you pertain to and seem to lead. (???)  Your logic is odd and skewed.

I feel the same about you. This repeated "clique" accusation seems to encompass those people who post often, defend other regular, supportive posters from outsiders who attempt to upset them (a reaction any friend would have),

Wrong. A friend can discern between loyalty and the right thing to do. and posters who challenge the haphazard, unsubstantiated medical advice that floats in from time to time.  If this is a clique, sign me up. I came back in June and since then I have met several newbies who are now regulars:  Roo, Cheryl (Cheryl were you here already? hee. : ) can’t remember) Kelly, Charla, Bill, Deliverer, MaryK, Paul – JUST TO NAME A FEW.  Some people were already here when I came back.  But I think they will ALL testify that the people who greeted them were very kind and open and embraced them, encouraging them to join in.

That does not excuse the way that you treat certain people. That does not make you a good person. Just because youve done some good things in your life does not mean you are going to heaven. Why?  Because they were genuine, without antagonistic agenda, were seeking support and were obviously willing to give it (and as it happens, they often give it to a degree beyond the call of duty).  Again, there are many other generous people here too – these are just a few who have appeared since I came back.

Of course there are. Which is what i am fighting for. After posting that LENGTHY anti-meds article, you attacked Cndhawk’s post, later referring to her intent as an unpardonable crime.  LOL!!  You are hateful and ILL!!!!!!

You accuse me of your own defects. Yet you are too proud to acknowledge them. Did you think attacking that sweet post was going to win friends and influence people?

Of course not. It was never my intention. I only stated my opinion. That is all. Whether or not people agree with what i do is not entirely of my concern. Come ON!  You’re a troll!!

To your clique’s definition, apparently so. But in my definition, you are as well. Either that or you have ZERO personal skills and have NO CLUE as to how to deal with other people.

I have dealt with many people. Often quite favorably with decency and correctness. You have taken the opportunity every single day that I have been gone to drag up even weeks-old posts by me, cleverly edited btw,

Now hold on just a moment. I have never done such a thing. Anyone can look back for themselves, compare my replies to the original and realize that i never edited any of them. That accusation was a very desperate, lowly and hasteful attempt by you to make me appear like a plotting troll. Which i am not by far. and have attempted to refute the advice and support I gave.  You continued to attack me AFTER I left, REPEATEDLY, when you KNEW I was not here to defend myself.  What kind of a "man" are you?

Whether or not you were here was not of my concern (or certainty). And i really dont care for your definition of what a man is. It has nothing to do with this discussion whatsoever. Edward, you alienated yourself from the people at ASAP from the very beginning by being antagonistic, rude, and dismissive.

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Welcome back Kelly and Parker!  I am glad you decided to return and participate in the group. While I respect your feelings and opinions, Parker, I have spent most of my life being told by others who and what I should "killfile."  Yes, Ed did get out of hand for a while – so did a lot of people.  But he is dealing with the same issues we are.  And he’s dealing with them alone.   Besides, I couldn’t killfile or filter anything if I wanted to — I have WEB TV! Love, Dot 1 – 2 – 3 – Send!   : )

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Hi Parker, There are alot of things swimming around in my head. One on top is ((((Suish)))((((Parker))) Being able to shut down your computer and walk away to take care of yourself is very healthy mental thing to do. IMO. It reminds me of Anger management.Step back take a deep breath and think.This I admire in you.Angry or not the situation was not healthy or supportive. I for one had a few laughs over the post with ALEX and thought i certainly could not stay as detached on this as you if I was to get involved.I take things to personal.I was glad for the people here that could come forward and put correction on the misguiding post by" it".. I will  keep in mind your opinion of Edward while Im forming mine. ill just say this and not referr to whom im speaking of as yet. Wording things just the right way and not giving room for a few mistakes makes me feel persons are somewhat detached and not really emotionally involved where it counts. however I am still not in conclusion. It was comforting to see the post today from Kelly ,You and Debby , Xanman ,Graffnoir ,Steph ,Chip ,d ,Jackie, Cheryl ,Jon, Bill ,Karen ,Roo,Timon ,New Jersey, Snoopy ,Phillip, Mike, TC3, Iought2 , and {many my server misses if I missed your post }and all that I hope post today Deana, Jessica, Raven, Deliver,ect…it seems as things are headed in the direction we are here for" support".(a smile, a hug, a tear ,a laugh). Thank you "all" for being here.Not one person makes up this special community It is made up of dervisty of all the unique persons each in equal importance. Welcome back ((((Parker))) Charla — Being safe is about being seen and heard and allowed to be who you are and to speak your truth.                                    —Rachel Naomi Remen,M.D. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …Life IS too short, as Tami’s post stated.  Life is too short to let petty things disturb or hurt you.  This stupid quarrel is infinitesimal compared to the daily problems that we all face which need attention and support.  I feel really confident about my time spent here at ASAP; I feel I have added a lot of positive energy. I logged on this morning and was so touched by the posts I read!  It just brought tears to my eyes reading that I was missed.   I have missed you all so much and have decided that I will give it another go at the group, until my feelings again become hurt to the point that I have to leave. To Edward Schwank: You have obviously had your turn to speak while I was away and unable to defend myself.  Now it’s MY turn. Edward:  I accuse you of attempting character assassination.  I would urge anyone within eyeshot not to be fooled by this person’s intellectual masturbation and double-talk.  HE is the real troll.  I was NEVER upset by alexander.  And it was also not as was surmised, that I was somehow ashamed of my behaviour towards alexander.  I was not.  Anyone with a sense of humour could obviously tell I was having big fun with that troll (alexander).  My posts to him were blatantly  silly and it was an attempt to make him look foolish and also provide us a few laughs.  A couple of people have shown themselves to be startlingly devoid of humour, and obviously didn’t "get it". These are people who claim to have been around Usenet and ngs before, and yet they are shocked when a troll is flamed?  They have NEVER BEFORE seen people lash out at a troll who threatens to destroy the safety of their community?? I find this VERY hard to believe.  I keep hearing all this crap about how "that person (troll) is a human being!"  While this is ridiculously obvious, the inference is that the troll deserves to be treated with respect and have his needs met here.  I HEARTILY DISAGREE.  When a "human being" posts inflammatory, false, and hurtful information in – of ALL places – an anxiety support group – then any flaming, name-calling, bad language, etc. is FULLY deserved, IMO. You dish it out – you take it.  People who defend trolls against supportive ng members are WRONG and are incredibly disturbed and confused individuals. Edward you say you lurked quite a while before posting.  You are a liar. You hadn’t even read the FAQs before (and maybe not since) posting that long/psychotic/anti-meds/conspiracy theory/crapola.  You made a comment about Jennings after you first arrived and I sent you a short e-mail warning you that Jennings had recently died and that it was a very delicate subject.  I told you that Char was in a fragile state concerning this and I asked you to not bring the subject up again unless Char expressed specifically that she wanted to discuss it.  (There was nothing at all uncivil in this e-mail, which anyone may see if they wish to.)  If you had lurked at ALL prior to making that comment you would have KNOWN that Jennings was recently deceased, and that MAYBE it was not such a good idea to bring it up.  Perhaps you even knew and decided to make the comment anyway?  Perhaps you were embarrassed and resented that I e-mailed you concerning your faux pas?  If you had lurked any time at all you also would have known that many of us rely on medicine to live, do NOT appreciate anti-meds lectures, and common sense should have told you that one thing an anti-anxiety newsgroup does NOT need is conspiracy theories (i.e. your opening post)!!! You have made an ass out of yourself by falling into the trap of a cut-rate troll.  The fact that you took him seriously for even a moment suggests that you are not operating at full-capacity, and have issues which are CLEARLY beyond the scope of this newsgroup.  He used FAR more obscene language in his few posts than I have used in total at this newsgroup in the year+ that I have been here.  And yet, *I* am the one you choose to attack and call "vulgar". (???)  Your logic is odd and skewed. This repeated "clique" accusation seems to encompass those people who post often, defend other regular, supportive posters from outsiders who attempt to upset them (a reaction any friend would have), and posters who challenge the haphazard, unsubstantiated medical advice that floats in from time to time. If this is a clique, sign me up. I came back in June and since then I have met several newbies who are now regulars:  Roo, Cheryl (Cheryl were you here already? hee. : ) can’t remember) Kelly, Charla, Bill, Deliverer, MaryK, Paul – JUST TO NAME A FEW.  Some people were already here when I came back.  But I think they will ALL testify that the people who greeted them were very kind and open and embraced them, encouraging them to join in.   Why?  Because they were genuine, without antagonistic agenda, were seeking support and were obviously willing to give it (and as it happens, they often give it to a degree beyond the call of duty).  Again, there are many other generous people here too – these are just a few who have appeared since I came back. After posting that LENGTHY anti-meds article, you attacked Cndhawk’s post, later referring to her intent as an unpardonable crime.  LOL!!  You are hateful and ILL!!!!!!  Did you think attacking that sweet post was going to win friends and influence people?  Come ON!  You’re a troll!!  Either that or you have ZERO personal skills and have NO CLUE as to how to deal with other people.  You have taken the opportunity every single day that I have been gone to drag up even weeks-old posts by me, cleverly edited btw, and have attempted to refute the advice and support I gave.  You continued to attack me AFTER I left, REPEATEDLY, when you KNEW I was not here to defend myself.  What kind of a "man" are you? Edward, you alienated yourself from the people at ASAP from the very beginning by being antagonistic, rude, and dismissive.  You say things like "It’s your problem if that bothers you.  My opinions are honest."  If the rest of us were rude assholes like you, we could say the same thing each and every time we post, now couldn’t we?  Your opinions are honest ONLY in the sense that you BELIEVE they are.  *MY* belief is that you are deluded and incredibly and unnecessarily cruel.  And THAT is just as honest.  Don’t think you can slither by me with that double-talk.  You are transparent. I want to thank all (well, most) of you, from the deepest part of my heart, for your support.  I try not to let it be important, but damn it all – your approval IS important to me.  I love you all very much and I love being here sharing a part of my life with you.  I constantly learn new things from you all, from your very characters, from your stories, and from your emotions, which ebb and flow just like mine.  There is very little in this newsgroup that I will not overlook or dismiss as a bad day, a heat-of-the-moment harsh post, or a tantrum.  They are all human outpourings and they all pass.  We may correct each other, we may gently nudge, we may fuss or express hurt feelings, but we know the love is there.  That’s what makes this newsgroup SO amazing: the people.  All of you.  I have cringed each time one of you was attacked and dismissed by "alexander" and now THIS person. What I will NOT overlook, EDWARD, is this bizarre, evil agenda you seem to have in regard to me, and the mistreatment and hurt feelings of my friends.  You have NOT helped here.  Your sentiment is TACKED ON and loveless.  You have raised more anxiety in your short time here than you have soothed.  WE ARE ABOUT PEACE AND WELLNESS.  You have brought us NEITHER! I would like everyone here to think about this: Think of everything at ASAP that Edward has ever posted. Now think of everything at ASAP that I have ever posted. I think this information speaks for itself. I have one final suggestion, and that is that in order to get on with the business of support and comfort, that you all put Edward into your killfiles and filters.  If anyone

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Parker and Kelly,   I love you both, that is it in a big anxiety-less ridden nutshell!  You have been a very soothing part of my healing since I have frequented this ng…and it’s been since June I think?  I remember you from before, Parker, you always wrote the nicest posts, and I remember thinking, she writes *love* before her name like me.  Stay….I will defend you with my flame retardant suit I bought when alt support step parenting flamebroiled me over saying green hair on an 11 year old was ridiculous.  If I can survive that broil-war, we can survive on here!  Love Cheryl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …a short note in response…  : ) Thank you soooo much all my sweet lovely friends!  It just means everything to me to have your friendship and support. I have been crying a lot of happytears today.  :*) All of you are such angels to me. Thank you! Love, Parker

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…Life IS too short, as Tami’s post stated.  Life is too short to let petty things disturb or hurt you.  This stupid quarrel is infinitesimal compared to the daily problems that we all face which need attention and support.  I feel really confident about my time spent here at ASAP; I feel I have added a lot of positive energy.

*snipped* Hello {{Parker}}, I am so glad to see you back.  I have been kind of wrapped up in RL lately so by the time I caught up to the *thread*, you had already decided to take a break.  I know that you had to be feeling down, due to the character assassination that you were taking, and I am sorry that I was not there to maybe help a bit… ( not with the character assassination, but with support of your character ).  Anyway I am glad to see you back. HUGS d

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ….Life IS too short, as Tami’s post stated.  Life is too short to let petty things disturb or hurt you.  This stupid quarrel is infinitesimal compared to the daily problems that we all face which need attention and support.  I feel really confident about my time spent here at ASAP; I feel I have added a lot of positive energy. I logged on this morning and was so touched by the posts I read!  It just brought tears to my eyes reading that I was missed.   I have missed you all so much and have decided that I will give it another go at the group, until my feelings again become hurt to the point that I have to leave. To Edward Schwank: You have obviously had your turn to speak while I was away and unable to defend myself.  Now it’s MY turn. Edward:  I accuse you of attempting character assassination.  I would urge anyone within eyeshot not to be fooled by this person’s intellectual masturbation and double-talk.  HE is the real troll.  I was NEVER upset by alexander.  And it was also not as was surmised, that I was somehow ashamed of my behaviour towards alexander.  I was not.  Anyone with a sense of humour could obviously tell I was having big fun with that troll (alexander). My posts to him were blatantly  silly and it was an attempt to make him look foolish and also provide us a few laughs.  A couple of people have shown themselves to be startlingly devoid of humour, and obviously didn’t "get it". These are people who claim to have been around Usenet and ngs before, and yet they are shocked when a troll is flamed?  They have NEVER BEFORE seen people lash out at a troll who threatens to destroy the safety of their community?? I find this VERY hard to believe.  I keep hearing all this crap about how "that person (troll) is a human being!"  While this is ridiculously obvious, the inference is that the troll deserves to be treated with respect and have his needs met here.  I HEARTILY DISAGREE.  When a "human being" posts inflammatory, false, and hurtful information in – of ALL places – an anxiety support group – then any flaming, name-calling, bad language, etc. is FULLY deserved, IMO.  You dish it out – you take it.  People who defend trolls against supportive ng members are WRONG and are incredibly disturbed and confused individuals. Edward you say you lurked quite a while before posting.  You are a liar. You hadn’t even read the FAQs before (and maybe not since) posting that long/psychotic/anti-meds/conspiracy theory/crapola.  You made a comment about Jennings after you first arrived and I sent you a short e-mail warning you that Jennings had recently died and that it was a very delicate subject.  I told you that Char was in a fragile state concerning this and I asked you to not bring the subject up again unless Char expressed specifically that she wanted to discuss it.  (There was nothing at all uncivil in this e-mail, which anyone may see if they wish to.)  If you had lurked at ALL prior to making that comment you would have KNOWN that Jennings was recently deceased, and that MAYBE it was not such a good idea to bring it up.  Perhaps you even knew and decided to make the comment anyway?  Perhaps you were embarrassed and resented that I e-mailed you concerning your faux pas?  If you had lurked any time at all you also would have known that many of us rely on medicine to live, do NOT appreciate anti-meds lectures, and common sense should have told you that one thing an anti-anxiety newsgroup does NOT need is conspiracy theories (i.e. your opening post)!!! You have made an ass out of yourself by falling into the trap of a cut-rate troll.  The fact that you took him seriously for even a moment suggests that you are not operating at full-capacity, and have issues which are CLEARLY beyond the scope of this newsgroup.  He used FAR more obscene language in his few posts than I have used in total at this newsgroup in the year+ that I have been here.  And yet, *I* am the one you choose to attack and call "vulgar". (???)  Your logic is odd and skewed. This repeated "clique" accusation seems to encompass those people who post often, defend other regular, supportive posters from outsiders who attempt to upset them (a reaction any friend would have), and posters who challenge the haphazard, unsubstantiated medical advice that floats in from time to time.  If this is a clique, sign me up. I came back in June and since then I have met several newbies who are now regulars:  Roo, Cheryl (Cheryl were you here already? hee. : ) can’t remember) Kelly, Charla, Bill, Deliverer, MaryK, Paul – JUST TO NAME A FEW.  Some people were already here when I came back.  But I think they will ALL testify that the people who greeted them were very kind and open and embraced them, encouraging them to join in.   Why?  Because they were genuine, without antagonistic agenda, were seeking support and were obviously willing to give it (and as it happens, they often give it to a degree beyond the call of duty). Again, there are many other generous people here too – these are just a few who have appeared since I came back. After posting that LENGTHY anti-meds article, you attacked Cndhawk’s post, later referring to her intent as an unpardonable crime.  LOL!!  You are hateful and ILL!!!!!!  Did you think attacking that sweet post was going to win friends and influence people?  Come ON!  You’re a troll!!  Either that or you have ZERO personal skills and have NO CLUE as to how to deal with other people. You have taken the opportunity every single day that I have been gone to drag up even weeks-old posts by me, cleverly edited btw, and have attempted to refute the advice and support I gave.  You continued to attack me AFTER I left, REPEATEDLY, when you KNEW I was not here to defend myself.  What kind of a "man" are you? Edward, you alienated yourself from the people at ASAP from the very beginning by being antagonistic, rude, and dismissive.  You say things like "It’s your problem if that bothers you.  My opinions are honest."  If the rest of us were rude assholes like you, we could say the same thing each and every time we post, now couldn’t we?  Your opinions are honest ONLY in the sense that you BELIEVE they are.  *MY* belief is that you are deluded and incredibly and unnecessarily cruel.  And THAT is just as honest.  Don’t think you can slither by me with that double-talk.  You are transparent. I want to thank all (well, most) of you, from the deepest part of my heart, for your support.  I try not to let it be important, but damn it all – your approval IS important to me.  I love you all very much and I love being here sharing a part of my life with you.  I constantly learn new things from you all, from your very characters, from your stories, and from your emotions, which ebb and flow just like mine.  There is very little in this newsgroup that I will not overlook or dismiss as a bad day, a heat-of-the-moment harsh post, or a tantrum.  They are all human outpourings and they all pass.  We may correct each other, we may gently nudge, we may fuss or express hurt feelings, but we know the love is there.  That’s what makes this newsgroup SO amazing: the people.  All of you.   I have cringed each time one of you was attacked and dismissed by "alexander" and now THIS person. What I will NOT overlook, EDWARD, is this bizarre, evil agenda you seem to have in regard to me, and the mistreatment and hurt feelings of my friends. You have NOT helped here.  Your sentiment is TACKED ON and loveless.  You have raised more anxiety in your short time here than you have soothed.  WE ARE ABOUT PEACE AND WELLNESS.  You have brought us NEITHER! I would like everyone here to think about this: Think of everything at ASAP that Edward has ever posted. Now think of everything at ASAP that I have ever posted. I think this information speaks for itself. I have one final suggestion, and that is that in order to get on with the business of support and comfort, that you all put Edward into your killfiles and filters.  If anyone would like to do this and does not know how, please post or e-mail asking for help and maybe we can get someone with a similar server to help you.   I will not be quoting any of Edward’s "material" from here on out, even if someone else includes it in a post.  KILLFILING AND IGNORING ARE WEAPONS WE HAVE AND MUST USE IN ORDER TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM TROLLS.  The safety of ASAP is at stake, as well as our individual peace of mind.  I believe that when a person is adamantly rude and hurtful, that his privileges to continue on that way should be revoked, and his forum denied him.  I have never TOLD anyone how to feel about anything.  It’s ridiculous to think I would.  I think we should be able to put our feelings down in a relatively tactful, respectful manner, but WITHOUT having to triple-check every single phrase because we are terrified that someone will rip apart what we have said just to point out and blow up some tiny flaw.  No one can withstand all this petty bickering for long, and no one should have to!  I simply hate that we even have to discuss it!  It’s like a stupid soap opera! I truly and sincerely apologize to ASAP for the upset this has caused everyone.  I think you know I would have rather

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{{{{Parker}}}}}  &  {{{{Kelly}}}} Need I say more? Bill

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…a short note in response…  : ) Thank you soooo much all my sweet lovely friends!  It just means everything to me to have your friendship and support. I have been crying a lot of happytears today.  :*) All of you are such angels to me.   Thank you! Love, Parker

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…Life IS too short,

::::wonderful post snipped:::: It was a wonderful feeling to open this thread and see a post by you Parker. You and Kelly were sorely missed here. I am glad that both of you have changed your minds and have returned not only to a place that you both *belong* too, but a place that was not the same without you. I agree with you a hundred percent about Edward, lets killfile and ignore him. boring here. ((((((((((((((((((((Parker & Kelly))))))))))))))))))) Love Jackie ~~Do you not see that you and I are branches of the same tree?  With your rejoicing comes my laughter, with your sadness comes my tears~~

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Parker, Thank you for realizing how important we are to each other. I will heed your advice from this point on, even though I have had no interaction with this person. I am not going into a lengthy ‘welcome back’ because you already know how I feel about you <smiles I am glad you are ‘home’ And Kelly girl, YOU TOO!!! Love you both. Karen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …Life IS too short, as Tami’s post stated.  Life is too short to let petty things disturb or hurt you.  This stupid quarrel is infinitesimal compared to the daily problems that we all face which need attention and support.  I feel really confident about my time spent here at ASAP; I feel I have added a lot of positive energy. I logged on this morning and was so touched by the posts I read!  It just brought tears to my eyes reading that I was missed.   I have missed you all so much and have decided that I will give it another go at the group, until my feelings again become hurt to the point that I have to leave. To Edward Schwank: You have obviously had your turn to speak while I was away and unable to defend myself.  Now it’s MY turn. Edward:  I accuse you of attempting character assassination.  I would urge anyone within eyeshot not to be fooled by this person’s intellectual masturbation and double-talk.  HE is the real troll.  I was NEVER upset by alexander.  And it was also not as was surmised, that I was somehow ashamed of my behaviour towards alexander.  I was not.  Anyone with a sense of humour could obviously tell I was having big fun with that troll (alexander).  My posts to him were blatantly  silly and it was an attempt to make him look foolish and also provide us a few laughs.  A couple of people have shown themselves to be startlingly devoid of humour, and obviously didn’t "get it". These are people who claim to have been around Usenet and ngs before, and yet they are shocked when a troll is flamed?  They have NEVER BEFORE seen people lash out at a troll who threatens to destroy the safety of their community?? I find this VERY hard to believe.  I keep hearing all this crap about how "that person (troll) is a human being!"  While this is ridiculously obvious, the inference is that the troll deserves to be treated with respect and have his needs met here.  I HEARTILY DISAGREE.  When a "human being" posts inflammatory, false, and hurtful information in – of ALL places – an anxiety support group – then any flaming, name-calling, bad language, etc. is FULLY deserved, IMO. You dish it out – you take it.  People who defend trolls against supportive ng members are WRONG and are incredibly disturbed and confused individuals. Edward you say you lurked quite a while before posting.  You are a liar. You hadn’t even read the FAQs before (and maybe not since) posting that long/psychotic/anti-meds/conspiracy theory/crapola.  You made a comment about Jennings after you first arrived and I sent you a short e-mail warning you that Jennings had recently died and that it was a very delicate subject.  I told you that Char was in a fragile state concerning this and I asked you to not bring the subject up again unless Char expressed specifically that she wanted to discuss it.  (There was nothing at all uncivil in this e-mail, which anyone may see if they wish to.)  If you had lurked at ALL prior to making that comment you would have KNOWN that Jennings was recently deceased, and that MAYBE it was not such a good idea to bring it up.  Perhaps you even knew and decided to make the comment anyway?  Perhaps you were embarrassed and resented that I e-mailed you concerning your faux pas?  If you had lurked any time at all you also would have known that many of us rely on medicine to live, do NOT appreciate anti-meds lectures, and common sense should have told you that one thing an anti-anxiety newsgroup does NOT need is conspiracy theories (i.e. your opening post)!!! You have made an ass out of yourself by falling into the trap of a cut-rate troll.  The fact that you took him seriously for even a moment suggests that you are not operating at full-capacity, and have issues which are CLEARLY beyond the scope of this newsgroup.  He used FAR more obscene language in his few posts than I have used in total at this newsgroup in the year+ that I have been here.  And yet, *I* am the one you choose to attack and call "vulgar". (???)  Your logic is odd and skewed. This repeated "clique" accusation seems to encompass those people who post often, defend other regular, supportive posters from outsiders who attempt to upset them (a reaction any friend would have), and posters who challenge the haphazard, unsubstantiated medical advice that floats in from time to time.  If this is a clique, sign me up. I came back in June and since then I have met several newbies who are now regulars:  Roo, Cheryl (Cheryl were you here already? hee. : ) can’t remember) Kelly, Charla, Bill, Deliverer, MaryK, Paul – JUST TO NAME A FEW.  Some people were already here when I came back.  But I think they will ALL testify that the people who greeted them were very kind and open and embraced them, encouraging them to join in.   Why?  Because they were genuine, without antagonistic agenda, were seeking support and were obviously willing to give it (and as it happens, they often give it to a degree beyond the call of duty).  Again, there are many other generous people here too – these are just a few who have appeared since I came back. After posting that LENGTHY anti-meds article, you attacked Cndhawk’s post, later referring to her intent as an unpardonable crime.  LOL!!  You are hateful and ILL!!!!!!  Did you think attacking that sweet post was going to win friends and influence people?  Come ON!  You’re a troll!!  Either that or you have ZERO personal skills and have NO CLUE as to how to deal with other people.  You have taken the opportunity every single day that I have been gone to drag up even weeks-old posts by me, cleverly edited btw, and have attempted to refute the advice and support I gave.  You continued to attack me AFTER I left, REPEATEDLY, when you KNEW I was not here to defend myself.  What kind of a "man" are you? Edward, you alienated yourself from the people at ASAP from the very beginning by being antagonistic, rude, and dismissive.  You say things like "It’s your problem if that bothers you.  My opinions are honest."  If the rest of us were rude assholes like you, we could say the same thing each and every time we post, now couldn’t we?  Your opinions are honest ONLY in the sense that you BELIEVE they are.  *MY* belief is that you are deluded and incredibly and unnecessarily cruel.  And THAT is just as honest.  Don’t think you can slither by me with that double-talk.  You are transparent. I want to thank all (well, most) of you, from the deepest part of my heart, for your support.  I try not to let it be important, but damn it all – your approval IS important to me.  I love you all very much and I love being here sharing a part of my life with you.  I constantly learn new things from you all, from your very characters, from your stories, and from your emotions, which ebb and flow just like mine.  There is very little in this newsgroup that I will not overlook or dismiss as a bad day, a heat-of-the-moment harsh post, or a tantrum.  They are all human outpourings and they all pass.  We may correct each other, we may gently nudge, we may fuss or express hurt feelings, but we know the love is there.  That’s what makes this newsgroup SO amazing: the people.  All of you.   I have cringed each time one of you was attacked and dismissed by "alexander" and now THIS person. What I will NOT overlook, EDWARD, is this bizarre, evil agenda you seem to have in regard to me, and the mistreatment and hurt feelings of my friends. You have NOT helped here.  Your sentiment is TACKED ON and loveless.  You have raised more anxiety in your short time here than you have soothed.  WE ARE ABOUT PEACE AND WELLNESS.  You have brought us NEITHER! I would like everyone here to think about this: Think of everything at ASAP that Edward has ever posted. Now think of everything at ASAP that I have ever posted. I think this information speaks for itself. I have one final suggestion, and that is that in order to get on with the business of support and comfort, that you all put Edward into your killfiles and filters.  If anyone would like to do this and does not know how, please post or e-mail asking for help and maybe we can get someone with a similar server to help you.   I will not be quoting any of Edward’s "material" from here on out, even if someone else includes it in a post.  KILLFILING AND IGNORING ARE WEAPONS WE HAVE AND MUST USE IN ORDER TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM TROLLS.  The safety of ASAP is at stake, as well as our individual peace of mind.  I believe that when a person is adamantly rude and hurtful, that his privileges to continue on that way should be revoked, and his forum denied him.  I have never TOLD anyone how to feel about anything.  It’s ridiculous to think I would.  I think we should be able to put our feelings down in a relatively tactful, respectful manner, but WITHOUT having to triple-check every single phrase because we are terrified that someone will rip apart what we have said just to point out and blow up some tiny flaw.  No one can withstand all this petty bickering for long, and no one should have to!  I simply hate that we even have to discuss it!  It’s like a stupid soap opera! I truly and sincerely apologize to ASAP for the upset this has caused everyone.  I think you know I would have rather it NEVER happened!  I am

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 ((((Parker))))              I’m glad to see you are back.  I haven’t been on the computer much lately, so I really have no idea what was happening.  I’m just very Happy to see you don’t let the idiots keep you away.  You have been so supportive to me and I want to say "Thank You". Hugs  Debby

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …Life IS too short, as Tami’s post stated.  Life is too short to let petty things disturb or hurt you.  This stupid quarrel is infinitesimal compared to the daily problems that we all face which need attention and support.  I feel really confident about my time spent here at ASAP; I feel I have added a lot of positive energy. I logged on this morning and was so touched by the posts I read!  It just brought tears to my eyes reading that I was missed.   I have missed you all so much and have decided that I will give it another go at the group, until my feelings again become hurt to the point that I have to leave. To Edward Schwank: You have obviously had your turn to speak while I was away and unable to defend myself.  Now it’s MY turn. Edward:  I accuse you of attempting character assassination.  I would urge anyone within eyeshot not to be fooled by this person’s intellectual masturbation and double-talk.  HE is the real troll.  I was NEVER upset by alexander.  And it was also not as was surmised, that I was somehow ashamed of my behaviour towards alexander.  I was not.  Anyone with a sense of humour could obviously tell I was having big fun with that troll (alexander).  My posts to him were blatantly  silly and it was an attempt to make him look foolish and also provide us a few laughs.  A couple of people have shown themselves to be startlingly devoid of humour, and obviously didn’t "get it". These are people who claim to have been around Usenet and ngs before, and yet they are shocked when a troll is flamed?  They have NEVER BEFORE seen people lash out at a troll who threatens to destroy the safety of their community?? I find this VERY hard to believe.  I keep hearing all this crap about how "that person (troll) is a human being!"  While this is ridiculously obvious, the inference is that the troll deserves to be treated with respect and have his needs met here.  I HEARTILY DISAGREE.  When a "human being" posts inflammatory, false, and hurtful information in – of ALL places – an anxiety support group – then any flaming, name-calling, bad language, etc. is FULLY deserved, IMO. You dish it out – you take it.  People who defend trolls against supportive ng members are WRONG and are incredibly disturbed and confused individuals. Edward you say you lurked quite a while before posting.  You are a liar. You hadn’t even read the FAQs before (and maybe not since) posting that long/psychotic/anti-meds/conspiracy theory/crapola.  You made a comment about Jennings after you first arrived and I sent you a short e-mail warning you that Jennings had recently died and that it was a very delicate subject.  I told you that Char was in a fragile state concerning this and I asked you to not bring the subject up again unless Char expressed specifically that she wanted to discuss it.  (There was nothing at all uncivil in this e-mail, which anyone may see if they wish to.)  If you had lurked at ALL prior to making that comment you would have KNOWN that Jennings was recently deceased, and that MAYBE it was not such a good idea to bring it up.  Perhaps you even knew and decided to make the comment anyway?  Perhaps you were embarrassed and resented that I e-mailed you concerning your faux pas?  If you had lurked any time at all you also would have known that many of us rely on medicine to live, do NOT appreciate anti-meds lectures, and common sense should have told you that one thing an anti-anxiety newsgroup does NOT need is conspiracy theories (i.e. your opening post)!!! You have made an ass out of yourself by falling into the trap of a cut-rate troll.  The fact that you took him seriously for even a moment suggests that you are not operating at full-capacity, and have issues which are CLEARLY beyond the scope of this newsgroup.  He used FAR more obscene language in his few posts than I have used in total at this newsgroup in the year+ that I have been here.  And yet, *I* am the one you choose to attack and call "vulgar". (???)  Your logic is odd and skewed. This repeated "clique" accusation seems to encompass those people who post often, defend other regular, supportive posters from outsiders who attempt to upset them (a reaction any friend would have), and posters who challenge the haphazard, unsubstantiated medical advice that floats in from time to time.  If this is a clique, sign me up. I came back in June and since then I have met several newbies who are now regulars:  Roo, Cheryl (Cheryl were you here already? hee. : ) can’t remember) Kelly, Charla, Bill, Deliverer, MaryK, Paul – JUST TO NAME A FEW.  Some people were already here when I came back.  But I think they will ALL testify that the people who greeted them were very kind and open and embraced them, encouraging them to join in.   Why?  Because they were genuine, without antagonistic agenda, were seeking support and were obviously willing to give it (and as it happens, they often give it to a degree beyond the call of duty).  Again, there are many other generous people here too – these are just a few who have appeared since I came back. After posting that LENGTHY anti-meds article, you attacked Cndhawk’s post, later referring to her intent as an unpardonable crime.  LOL!!  You are hateful and ILL!!!!!!  Did you think attacking that sweet post was going to win friends and influence people?  Come ON!  You’re a troll!!  Either that or you have ZERO personal skills and have NO CLUE as to how to deal with other people.  You have taken the opportunity every single day that I have been gone to drag up even weeks-old posts by me, cleverly edited btw, and have attempted to refute the advice and support I gave.  You continued to attack me AFTER I left, REPEATEDLY, when you KNEW I was not here to defend myself.  What kind of a "man" are you? Edward, you alienated yourself from the people at ASAP from the very beginning by being antagonistic, rude, and dismissive.  You say things like "It’s your problem if that bothers you.  My opinions are honest."  If the rest of us were rude assholes like you, we could say the same thing each and every time we post, now couldn’t we?  Your opinions are honest ONLY in the sense that you BELIEVE they are.  *MY* belief is that you are deluded and incredibly and unnecessarily cruel.  And THAT is just as honest.  Don’t think you can slither by me with that double-talk.  You are transparent. I want to thank all (well, most) of you, from the deepest part of my heart, for your support.  I try not to let it be important, but damn it all – your approval IS important to me.  I love you all very much and I love being here sharing a part of my life with you.  I constantly learn new things from you all, from your very characters, from your stories, and from your emotions, which ebb and flow just like mine.  There is very little in this newsgroup that I will not overlook or dismiss as a bad day, a heat-of-the-moment harsh post, or a tantrum.  They are all human outpourings and they all pass.  We may correct each other, we may gently nudge, we may fuss or express hurt feelings, but we know the love is there.  That’s what makes this newsgroup SO amazing: the people.  All of you.   I have cringed each time one of you was attacked and dismissed by "alexander" and now THIS person. What I will NOT overlook, EDWARD, is this bizarre, evil agenda you seem to have in regard to me, and the mistreatment and hurt feelings of my friends. You have NOT helped here.  Your sentiment is TACKED ON and loveless.  You have raised more anxiety in your short time here than you have soothed.  WE ARE ABOUT PEACE AND WELLNESS.  You have brought us NEITHER! I would like everyone here to think about this: Think of everything at ASAP that Edward has ever posted. Now think of everything at ASAP that I have ever posted. I think this information speaks for itself. I have one final suggestion, and that is that in order to get on with the business of support and comfort, that you all put Edward into your killfiles and filters.  If anyone would like to do this and does not know how, please post or e-mail asking for help and maybe we can get someone with a similar server to help you.   I will not be quoting any of Edward’s "material" from here on out, even if someone else includes it in a post.  KILLFILING AND IGNORING ARE WEAPONS WE HAVE AND MUST USE IN ORDER TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM TROLLS.  The safety of ASAP is at stake, as well as our individual peace of mind.  I believe that when a person is adamantly rude and hurtful, that his privileges to continue on that way should be revoked, and his forum denied him.  I have never TOLD anyone how to feel about anything.  It’s ridiculous to think I would.  I think we should be able to put our feelings down in a relatively tactful, respectful manner, but WITHOUT having to triple-check every single phrase because we are terrified that someone will rip apart what we have said just to point out and blow up some tiny flaw.  No one can withstand all this petty bickering for long, and no one should have to!  I simply hate that we even have to discuss it!  It’s like a stupid soap opera! I truly and sincerely apologize to ASAP for the upset this has caused everyone.  I think you know I would have rather it NEVER happened!  I am just very protective of this place, of you

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((((Parker)))) Welcome Home!!!! Steph

Parker Writes: (Snipped a bit) .Life IS too short, as Tami’s post stated.  Life is too short to let petty things disturb or hurt you.  This stupid quarrel is infinitesimal compared to the daily problems that we all face which need attention and support.  I feel really confident about my time spent here at ASAP; I feel I have added a lot of positive energy.   I logged on this morning and was so touched by the posts I read!  It just brought tears to my eyes reading that I was missed.   I have missed you all so much and have decided that I will give it another go at the group

AND: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I want to thank all (well, most) of you, from the deepest part of my heart, for your support.  I try not to let it be important, but damn it all – your approval IS important to me.  I love you all very much and I love being here sharing a part of my life with you.  I constantly learn new things from you all, from your very characters, from your stories, and from your emotions, which ebb and flow just like mine.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ….Life IS too short, as Tami’s post stated.  Life is too short to let petty things disturb or hurt you.  This stupid quarrel is infinitesimal compared to the daily problems that we all face which need attention and support.  I feel really confident about my time spent here at ASAP; I feel I have added a lot of positive energy.   I logged on this morning and was so touched by the posts I read!  It just brought tears to my eyes reading that I was missed.   I have missed you all so much and have decided that I will give it another go at the group, until my feelings again become hurt to the point that I have to leave. To Edward Schwank: You have obviously had your turn to speak while I was away and unable to defend myself.  Now it’s MY turn. Edward:  I accuse you of attempting character assassination.  I would urge anyone within eyeshot not to be fooled by this person’s intellectual masturbation and double-talk.  HE is the real troll.  I was NEVER upset by alexander.  And it was also not as was surmised, that I was somehow ashamed of my behaviour towards alexander.  I was not.  Anyone with a sense of humour could obviously tell I was having big fun with that troll (alexander).  My posts to him were blatantly  silly and it was an attempt to make him look foolish and also provide us a few laughs.  A couple of people have shown themselves to be startlingly devoid of humour, and obviously didn’t "get it". These are people who claim to have been around Usenet and ngs before, and yet they are shocked when a troll is flamed?  They have NEVER BEFORE seen people lash out at a troll who threatens to destroy the safety of their community?? I find this VERY hard to believe.  I keep hearing all this crap about how "that person (troll) is a human being!"  While this is ridiculously obvious, the inference is that the troll deserves to be treated with respect and have his needs met here.  I HEARTILY DISAGREE.  When a "human being" posts inflammatory, false, and hurtful information in – of ALL places – an anxiety support group – then any flaming, name-calling, bad language, etc. is FULLY deserved, IMO.  You dish it out – you take it.  People who defend trolls against supportive ng members are WRONG and are incredibly disturbed and confused individuals.   Edward you say you lurked quite a while before posting.  You are a liar.   You hadn’t even read the FAQs before (and maybe not since) posting that long/psychotic/anti-meds/conspiracy theory/crapola.  You made a comment about Jennings after you first arrived and I sent you a short e-mail warning you that Jennings had recently died and that it was a very delicate subject.  I told you that Char was in a fragile state concerning this and I asked you to not bring the subject up again unless Char expressed specifically that she wanted to discuss it.  (There was nothing at all uncivil in this e-mail, which anyone may see if they wish to.)  If you had lurked at ALL prior to making that comment you would have KNOWN that Jennings was recently deceased, and that MAYBE it was not such a good idea to bring it up.  Perhaps you even knew and decided to make the comment anyway?  Perhaps you were embarrassed and resented that I e-mailed you concerning your faux pas?  If you had lurked any time at all you also would have known that many of us rely on medicine to live, do NOT appreciate anti-meds lectures, and common sense should have told you that one thing an anti-anxiety newsgroup does NOT need is conspiracy theories (i.e. your opening post)!!! You have made an ass out of yourself by falling into the trap of a cut-rate troll.  The fact that you took him seriously for even a moment suggests that you are not operating at full-capacity, and have issues which are CLEARLY beyond the scope of this newsgroup.  He used FAR more obscene language in his few posts than I have used in total at this newsgroup in the year+ that I have been here.  And yet, *I* am the one you choose to attack and call "vulgar". (???)  Your logic is odd and skewed. This repeated "clique" accusation seems to encompass those people who post often, defend other regular, supportive posters from outsiders who attempt to upset them (a reaction any friend would have), and posters who challenge the haphazard, unsubstantiated medical advice that floats in from time to time.  If this is a clique, sign me up. I came back in June and since then I have met several newbies who are now regulars:  Roo, Cheryl (Cheryl were you here already? hee. : ) can’t remember) Kelly, Charla, Bill, Deliverer, MaryK, Paul – JUST TO NAME A FEW.  Some people were already here when I came back.  But I think they will ALL testify that the people who greeted them were very kind and open and embraced them, encouraging them to join in.   Why?  Because they were genuine, without antagonistic agenda, were seeking support and were obviously willing to give it (and as it happens, they often give it to a degree beyond the call of duty).  Again, there are many other generous people here too – these are just a few who have appeared since I came back. After posting that LENGTHY anti-meds article, you attacked Cndhawk’s post, later referring to her intent as an unpardonable crime.  LOL!!  You are hateful and ILL!!!!!!  Did you think attacking that sweet post was going to win friends and influence people?  Come ON!  You’re a troll!!  Either that or you have ZERO personal skills and have NO CLUE as to how to deal with other people.  You have taken the opportunity every single day that I have been gone to drag up even weeks-old posts by me, cleverly edited btw, and have attempted to refute the advice and support I gave.  You continued to attack me AFTER I left, REPEATEDLY, when you KNEW I was not here to defend myself.  What kind of a "man" are you?   Edward, you alienated yourself from the people at ASAP from the very beginning by being antagonistic, rude, and dismissive.  You say things like "It’s your problem if that bothers you.  My opinions are honest."  If the rest of us were rude assholes like you, we could say the same thing each and every time we post, now couldn’t we?  Your opinions are honest ONLY in the sense that you BELIEVE they are.  *MY* belief is that you are deluded and incredibly and unnecessarily cruel.  And THAT is just as honest.  Don’t think you can slither by me with that double-talk.  You are transparent.   I want to thank all (well, most) of you, from the deepest part of my heart, for your support.  I try not to let it be important, but damn it all – your approval IS important to me.  I love you all very much and I love being here sharing a part of my life with you.  I constantly learn new things from you all, from your very characters, from your stories, and from your emotions, which ebb and flow just like mine.  There is very little in this newsgroup that I will not overlook or dismiss as a bad day, a heat-of-the-moment harsh post, or a tantrum.  They are all human outpourings and they all pass.  We may correct each other, we may gently nudge, we may fuss or express hurt feelings, but we know the love is there.  That’s what makes this newsgroup SO amazing: the people.  All of you.   I have cringed each time one of you was attacked and dismissed by "alexander" and now THIS person. What I will NOT overlook, EDWARD, is this bizarre, evil agenda you seem to have in regard to me, and the mistreatment and hurt feelings of my friends.  You have NOT helped here.  Your sentiment is TACKED ON and loveless.  You have raised more anxiety in your short time here than you have soothed.  WE ARE ABOUT PEACE AND WELLNESS.  You have brought us NEITHER!   I would like everyone here to think about this:   Think of everything at ASAP that Edward has ever posted. Now think of everything at ASAP that I have ever posted. I think this information speaks for itself. I have one final suggestion, and that is that in order to get on with the business of support and comfort, that you all put Edward into your killfiles and filters.  If anyone would like to do this and does not know how, please post or e-mail asking for help and maybe we can get someone with a similar server to help you.   I will not be quoting any of Edward’s "material" from here on out, even if someone else includes it in a post.  KILLFILING AND IGNORING ARE WEAPONS WE HAVE AND MUST USE IN ORDER TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM TROLLS.  The safety of ASAP is at stake, as well as our individual peace of mind.  I believe that when a person is adamantly rude and hurtful, that his privileges to continue on that way should be revoked, and his forum denied him.  I have never TOLD anyone how to feel about anything.  It’s ridiculous to think I would.  I think we should be able to put our feelings down in a relatively tactful, respectful manner, but WITHOUT having to triple-check every single phrase because we are terrified that someone will rip apart what we have said just to point out and blow up some tiny flaw.  No one can withstand all this petty bickering for long, and no one should have to!  I simply hate that we even have to discuss it!  It’s like a stupid soap opera!   I truly and sincerely apologize to ASAP for the upset this has caused everyone.  I think you know I would have rather it NEVER happened!  I am just very protective of this place, of you all, and of course myself, and I feel we have all been under attack lately – and I wanted you to know why I left and who *I* considered the real, lingering trouble to be. Love, Parker This may seem immature, the taking of sides here, but I have been unfairly attacked by a

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…Life IS too short, as Tami’s post stated.  Life is too short to let petty things disturb or hurt you.  This stupid quarrel is infinitesimal compared to the daily problems that we all face which need attention and support.  I feel really confident about my time spent here at ASAP; I feel I have added a lot of positive energy.   I logged on this morning and was so touched by the posts I read!  It just brought tears to my eyes reading that I was missed.   I have missed you all so much and have decided that I will give it another go at the group, until my feelings again become hurt to the point that I have to leave. To Edward Schwank: You have obviously had your turn to speak while I was away and unable to defend myself.  Now it’s MY turn. Edward:  I accuse you of attempting character assassination.  I would urge anyone within eyeshot not to be fooled by this person’s intellectual masturbation and double-talk.  HE is the real troll.  I was NEVER upset by alexander.  And it was also not as was surmised, that I was somehow ashamed of my behaviour towards alexander.  I was not.  Anyone with a sense of humour could obviously tell I was having big fun with that troll (alexander).  My posts to him were blatantly  silly and it was an attempt to make him look foolish and also provide us a few laughs.  A couple of people have shown themselves to be startlingly devoid of humour, and obviously didn’t "get it". These are people who claim to have been around Usenet and ngs before, and yet they are shocked when a troll is flamed?  They have NEVER BEFORE seen people lash out at a troll who threatens to destroy the safety of their community?? I find this VERY hard to believe.  I keep hearing all this crap about how "that person (troll) is a human being!"  While this is ridiculously obvious, the inference is that the troll deserves to be treated with respect and have his needs met here.  I HEARTILY DISAGREE.  When a "human being" posts inflammatory, false, and hurtful information in – of ALL places – an anxiety support group – then any flaming, name-calling, bad language, etc. is FULLY deserved, IMO.  You dish it out – you take it.  People who defend trolls against supportive ng members are WRONG and are incredibly disturbed and confused individuals.   Edward you say you lurked quite a while before posting.  You are a liar.   You hadn’t even read the FAQs before (and maybe not since) posting that long/psychotic/anti-meds/conspiracy theory/crapola.  You made a comment about Jennings after you first arrived and I sent you a short e-mail warning you that Jennings had recently died and that it was a very delicate subject.  I told you that Char was in a fragile state concerning this and I asked you to not bring the subject up again unless Char expressed specifically that she wanted to discuss it.  (There was nothing at all uncivil in this e-mail, which anyone may see if they wish to.)  If you had lurked at ALL prior to making that comment you would have KNOWN that Jennings was recently deceased, and that MAYBE it was not such a good idea to bring it up.  Perhaps you even knew and decided to make the comment anyway?  Perhaps you were embarrassed and resented that I e-mailed you concerning your faux pas?  If you had lurked any time at all you also would have known that many of us rely on medicine to live, do NOT appreciate anti-meds lectures, and common sense should have told you that one thing an anti-anxiety newsgroup does NOT need is conspiracy theories (i.e. your opening post)!!! You have made an ass out of yourself by falling into the trap of a cut-rate troll.  The fact that you took him seriously for even a moment suggests that you are not operating at full-capacity, and have issues which are CLEARLY beyond the scope of this newsgroup.  He used FAR more obscene language in his few posts than I have used in total at this newsgroup in the year+ that I have been here.  And yet, *I* am the one you choose to attack and call "vulgar". (???)  Your logic is odd and skewed. This repeated "clique" accusation seems to encompass those people who post often, defend other regular, supportive posters from outsiders who attempt to upset them (a reaction any friend would have), and posters who challenge the haphazard, unsubstantiated medical advice that floats in from time to time.  If this is a clique, sign me up. I came back in June and since then I have met several newbies who are now regulars:  Roo, Cheryl (Cheryl were you here already? hee. : ) can’t remember) Kelly, Charla, Bill, Deliverer, MaryK, Paul – JUST TO NAME A FEW.  Some people were already here when I came back.  But I think they will ALL testify that the people who greeted them were very kind and open and embraced them, encouraging them to join in.   Why?  Because they were genuine, without antagonistic agenda, were seeking support and were obviously willing to give it (and as it happens, they often give it to a degree beyond the call of duty).  Again, there are many other generous people here too – these are just a few who have appeared since I came back. After posting that LENGTHY anti-meds article, you attacked Cndhawk’s post, later referring to her intent as an unpardonable crime.  LOL!!  You are hateful and ILL!!!!!!  Did you think attacking that sweet post was going to win friends and influence people?  Come ON!  You’re a troll!!  Either that or you have ZERO personal skills and have NO CLUE as to how to deal with other people.  You have taken the opportunity every single day that I have been gone to drag up even weeks-old posts by me, cleverly edited btw, and have attempted to refute the advice and support I gave.  You continued to attack me AFTER I left, REPEATEDLY, when you KNEW I was not here to defend myself.  What kind of a "man" are you?   Edward, you alienated yourself from the people at ASAP from the very beginning by being antagonistic, rude, and dismissive.  You say things like "It’s your problem if that bothers you.  My opinions are honest."  If the rest of us were rude assholes like you, we could say the same thing each and every time we post, now couldn’t we?  Your opinions are honest ONLY in the sense that you BELIEVE they are.  *MY* belief is that you are deluded and incredibly and unnecessarily cruel.  And THAT is just as honest.  Don’t think you can slither by me with that double-talk.  You are transparent.   I want to thank all (well, most) of you, from the deepest part of my heart, for your support.  I try not to let it be important, but damn it all – your approval IS important to me.  I love you all very much and I love being here sharing a part of my life with you.  I constantly learn new things from you all, from your very characters, from your stories, and from your emotions, which ebb and flow just like mine.  There is very little in this newsgroup that I will not overlook or dismiss as a bad day, a heat-of-the-moment harsh post, or a tantrum.  They are all human outpourings and they all pass.  We may correct each other, we may gently nudge, we may fuss or express hurt feelings, but we know the love is there.  That’s what makes this newsgroup SO amazing: the people.  All of you.   I have cringed each time one of you was attacked and dismissed by "alexander" and now THIS person. What I will NOT overlook, EDWARD, is this bizarre, evil agenda you seem to have in regard to me, and the mistreatment and hurt feelings of my friends.  You have NOT helped here.  Your sentiment is TACKED ON and loveless.  You have raised more anxiety in your short time here than you have soothed.  WE ARE ABOUT PEACE AND WELLNESS.  You have brought us NEITHER!   I would like everyone here to think about this:   Think of everything at ASAP that Edward has ever posted. Now think of everything at ASAP that I have ever posted. I think this information speaks for itself. I have one final suggestion, and that is that in order to get on with the business of support and comfort, that you all put Edward into your killfiles and filters.  If anyone would like to do this and does not know how, please post or e-mail asking for help and maybe we can get someone with a similar server to help you.   I will not be quoting any of Edward’s "material" from here on out, even if someone else includes it in a post.  KILLFILING AND IGNORING ARE WEAPONS WE HAVE AND MUST USE IN ORDER TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM TROLLS.  The safety of ASAP is at stake, as well as our individual peace of mind.  I believe that when a person is adamantly rude and hurtful, that his privileges to continue on that way should be revoked, and his forum denied him.  I have never TOLD anyone how to feel about anything.  It’s ridiculous to think I would.  I think we should be able to put our feelings down in a relatively tactful, respectful manner, but WITHOUT having to triple-check every single phrase because we are terrified that someone will rip apart what we have said just to point out and blow up some tiny flaw.  No one can withstand all this petty bickering for long, and no one should have to!  I simply hate that we even have to discuss it!  It’s like a stupid soap opera!   I truly and sincerely apologize to ASAP for the upset this has caused everyone.  I think you know I would have rather it NEVER happened!  I am just very protective of this place, of you all, and of course myself, and I feel we have all been under attack lately – and I wanted you to know why I left and who *I* considered the real, lingering trouble to be. Love, Parker This may seem immature, the taking of sides here, but I have been unfairly attacked by a newbie and I would support ANY ONE OF YOU in this same manner if this rude thing happened to you.  I simply consider it to be loyalty.  I will not be made to feel uncomfortable here.  I think most everyone here will agree that we were all a hell of a lot more comfortable BEFORE.   You all have the right and ability to make up your own minds about this.  All I ask is that you … read more »

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