Horrible Morning

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You are so right. If I need then take it. If it makes me feel better then do it. I do have a case of the "have to’s". I have to do alot. ALL THE TIME. I have 3 small children and need food and stuff and house crap, so Its hard to say I will do it on my own terms, instead of saying I have to go to the store. Its really hard to do that. But I will try. I might be able to make a difference in myself!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <gently snipped ::I have to go to My sons 1st grade class today as a helper and its really ::going to blow. I don’t want to do it now, and I have to. He will be so ::disappointed if I don’t show up. I think once I am there and working with ::the kids I will be fine. But worrying about a panic attack is no good. Sorry your day started off with lots of anxiety. Morning seems to be a common time to experience anxiety. Feeling sick can definitely trigger or exacerbate anxiety. One very important thing I learned while in CBT was to stop saying "must", "have to", and "should". When we tell ourselves that we "have to" do something it puts a lot of pressure on us and makes us more anxious. It also traps us because we don’t believe we have choices or that we are in control. I do better in situations that make me anxious if I "untrap" myself by knowing I can go or stay home, and if I decide to go, that I can leave when "I" want. That I will not be dictated by "have tos", "shoulds" and "musts". ::I just needed to vent a little. I really wish I wasn’t going threw this. Is ::anyone else stubborn and doesn’t want to take meds? Am I just being silly? ::And what dose of xanax are some of you on? How does it make you feel? How ::often do you take it? And is anyone on xanax CR..?? A lot of us felt this way about meds. After losing so many years to the pain and suffering of an anxiety disorder, I don’t care that I take meds for my anxiety now We don’t think twice about reaching for the bottle of tylenol when we have physical pain, yet we allow ourselves to suffer with mental pain. If the xanax helps you to feel more like yourself, then take it! Life’s too short to suffer so much! Jackie ~*~I have not ceased being fearful, but I have ceased to let fear control me… I have gone ahead despite the pounding in my heart that says:  turn back, turn back, you’ll die if you venture too far~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just needed to vent a little. I really wish I wasn’t going threw this. Is anyone else stubborn and doesn’t want to take meds? Am I just being silly? And what dose of xanax are some of you on? How does it make you feel? How often do you take it? And is anyone on xanax CR..?? Thanks! marieg AT thefamm dot com (snipped a little) <snip Then I have to go over there, figure out what files are missing and try to get it going again.  I usually just reformat; it’s easier, but then the kids get mad at me that their files are gone.  Sigh.  They’ve got a CD burner, use it! Back up your stuff! <end snip Kili, why do you have to go over there?

Well, to be honest, I blew it off.  I’m going to have to go over tomorrow, but maybe I’ll be less anxious tomorrow.  I go over there because I used to do IT work back on Maui and I know how to fix it.  It’s just a pain in the butt because it happens ALL the time.  Sheesh.  People who don’t understand how to use a computer, shouldn’t use a computer. kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well School was fun. I had to go from group of kids to group of kids and help with whatever they needed help with, while the teacher tested some of the students. It wasn’t so bad once I was there. and my son thought it was the greatest thing ever that I was at school with him. It was neat. I ate lunch with him and then came home. He is the only student in his class to get straight A’s all year. So I am very proud of him. He is my little smarty pants. When I got home my 2 and 4 year old were ready to play outside. So outside is where I have been. Taking a break now. I am hot and tired. Kids are having a drink and I am taking a minute before I go put this swing seat together. Even though I need two hands, I am going to try anyhow. lol Should be fun. You guys are a nice bunch of people, Maybe my anxiety issues came so I would meet you kind people! MarieG

I’m so glad you had a good day, Marie!  Have fun with the swing seat, too. :~) kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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<gently snipped ::I have to go to My sons 1st grade class today as a helper and its really ::going to blow. I don’t want to do it now, and I have to. He will be so ::disappointed if I don’t show up. I think once I am there and working with ::the kids I will be fine. But worrying about a panic attack is no good. Sorry your day started off with lots of anxiety. Morning seems to be a common time to experience anxiety. Feeling sick can definitely trigger or exacerbate anxiety. One very important thing I learned while in CBT was to stop saying "must", "have to", and "should". When we tell ourselves that we "have to" do something it puts a lot of pressure on us and makes us more anxious. It also traps us because we don’t believe we have choices or that we are in control. I do better in situations that make me anxious if I "untrap" myself by knowing I can go or stay home, and if I decide to go, that I can leave when "I" want. That I will not be dictated by "have tos", "shoulds" and "musts". ::I just needed to vent a little. I really wish I wasn’t going threw this. Is ::anyone else stubborn and doesn’t want to take meds? Am I just being silly? ::And what dose of xanax are some of you on? How does it make you feel? How ::often do you take it? And is anyone on xanax CR..?? A lot of us felt this way about meds. After losing so many years to the pain and suffering of an anxiety disorder, I don’t care that I take meds for my anxiety now We don’t think twice about reaching for the bottle of tylenol when we have physical pain, yet we allow ourselves to suffer with mental pain. If the xanax helps you to feel more like yourself, then take it! Life’s too short to suffer so much! Jackie ~*~I have not ceased being fearful, but I have ceased to let fear control me… I have gone ahead despite the pounding in my heart that says:  turn back, turn back, you’ll die if you venture too far~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I just needed to vent a little. I really wish I wasn’t going threw this. Is anyone else stubborn and doesn’t want to take meds? Am I just being silly? And what dose of xanax are some of you on? How does it make you feel? How often do you take it? And is anyone on xanax CR..?? Thanks! marieg AT thefamm dot com

(snipped a little) I can relate, Marie.  I try so hard not to take my meds, but some days, you just have to.  I’ve had bad anxiety for the past 2 days and I’m trying so hard to sleep and relax, but I have to fix a computer today and I’m dreading it.  Every couple of months I have to go over to my neighbor’s house because they have teenage kids that put crap on, and their mom thinks she’s a computer guru.  Their mom starts deleting things and ends up deleting necessary Windows files and the computer won’t boot.  Then I have to go over there, figure out what files are missing and try to get it going again.  I usually just reformat; it’s easier, but then the kids get mad at me that their files are gone.  Sigh.  They’ve got a CD burner, use it!  Back up your stuff! Good luck with your son’s class today.  Let us know how it went and I hope you feel better soon! kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I just needed to vent a little. I really wish I wasn’t going threw this. Is anyone else stubborn and doesn’t want to take meds? Am I just being silly? And what dose of xanax are some of you on? How does it make you feel? How often do you take it? And is anyone on xanax CR..?? Thanks! marieg AT thefamm dot com (snipped a little)

<snip Then I have to go over there, figure out what files are missing and try to get it going again.  I usually just reformat; it’s easier, but then the kids get mad at me that their files are gone.  Sigh.  They’ve got a CD burner, use it!  Back up your stuff! <end snip

Kili, why do you have to go over there? — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Marie, Many of us find when we aren’t feeling the best that some symptoms mimic anxiety.  Don’t hesitate to take the Xanax when you need it. I hope your day at your son’s school went well for you. smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I woke up this morning and my head is filled with snot. I don’t know if its allergies or I am getting a sinus ordeal, or if I am just getting a cold. The weather here has been 70’s for 2 days now, and I am miserable. I am having bad anxiety today too, and I cant stand it. I put off taking xanax as much as possible because I am stubborn and don’t think I need it. But this morning I need it. I have been taking a .5 mg tablet in the evening to because all day not taking anything makes me nuts by then. I try so hard to be strong and I cant be strong, I tell myself that I can do this and I can get threw it, and I cant. It sucks. I have to go to My sons 1st grade class today as a helper and its really going to blow. I don’t want to do it now, and I have to. He will be so disappointed if I don’t show up. I think once I am there and working with the kids I will be fine. But worrying about a panic attack is no good. I just needed to vent a little. I really wish I wasn’t going threw this. Is anyone else stubborn and doesn’t want to take meds? Am I just being silly? And what dose of xanax are some of you on? How does it make you feel? How often do you take it? And is anyone on xanax CR..?? Does anyone use instant messenger in here? I am on aim, and yahoo, and a chat now and again would be nice. Email me if you have them and could be a chatting buddy support friend of mine..lol Thanks! marieg AT thefamm dot com — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Well School was fun. I had to go from group of kids to group of kids and help with whatever they needed help with, while the teacher tested some of the students. It wasn’t so bad once I was there. and my son thought it was the greatest thing ever that I was at school with him. It was neat. I ate lunch with him and then came home. He is the only student in his class to get straight A’s all year. So I am very proud of him. He is my little smarty pants. When I got home my 2 and 4 year old were ready to play outside. So outside is where I have been. Taking a break now. I am hot and tired. Kids are having a drink and I am taking a minute before I go put this swing seat together. Even though I need two hands, I am going to try anyhow. lol Should be fun. You guys are a nice bunch of people, Maybe my anxiety issues came so I would meet you kind people! MarieG

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I woke up this morning and my head is filled with snot. I don’t know if its allergies or I am getting a sinus ordeal, or if I am just getting a cold. The weather here has been 70’s for 2 days now, and I am miserable. I am having bad anxiety today too, and I cant stand it. I put off taking xanax as much as possible because I am stubborn and don’t think I need it. But this morning I need it. I have been taking a .5 mg tablet in the evening to because all day not taking anything makes me nuts by then. I try so hard to be strong and I cant be strong, I tell myself that I can do this and I can get threw it, and I cant. It sucks. I have to go to My sons 1st grade class today as a helper and its really going to blow. I don’t want to do it now, and I have to. He will be so disappointed if I don’t show up. I think once I am there and working with the kids I will be fine. But worrying about a panic attack is no good. I just needed to vent a little. I really wish I wasn’t going threw this. Is anyone else stubborn and doesn’t want to take meds? Am I just being silly? And what dose of xanax are some of you on? How does it make you feel? How often do you take it? And is anyone on xanax CR..?? Does anyone use instant messenger in here? I am on aim, and yahoo, and a chat now and again would be nice. Email me if you have them and could be a chatting buddy support friend of mine..lol Thanks! marieg AT thefamm dot com — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Marie, So glad the "school day" went well for you.  I can imagine how happy your son was to have you there.  Well worth any anticipatory anxiety (which does pass).  Great job, Marie!!! smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well School was fun. I had to go from group of kids to group of kids and help with whatever they needed help with, while the teacher tested some of the students. It wasn’t so bad once I was there. and my son thought it was the greatest thing ever that I was at school with him. It was neat. I ate lunch with him and then came home. He is the only student in his class to get straight A’s all year. So I am very proud of him. He is my little smarty pants. When I got home my 2 and 4 year old were ready to play outside. So outside is where I have been. Taking a break now. I am hot and tired. Kids are having a drink and I am taking a minute before I go put this swing seat together. Even though I need two hands, I am going to try anyhow. lol Should be fun. You guys are a nice bunch of people, Maybe my anxiety issues came so I would meet you kind people! MarieG Well I woke up this morning and my head is filled with snot. I don’t know if its allergies or I am getting a sinus ordeal, or if I am just getting a cold. The weather here has been 70’s for 2 days now, and I am miserable. I am having bad anxiety today too, and I cant stand it. I put off taking xanax as much as possible because I am stubborn and don’t think I need it. But this morning I need it. I have been taking a .5 mg tablet in the evening to because all day not taking anything makes me nuts by then. I try so hard to be strong and I cant be strong, I tell myself that I can do this and I can get threw it, and I cant. It sucks. I have to go to My sons 1st grade class today as a helper and its really going to blow. I don’t want to do it now, and I have to. He will be so disappointed if I don’t show up. I think once I am there and working with the kids I will be fine. But worrying about a panic attack is no good. I just needed to vent a little. I really wish I wasn’t going threw this. Is anyone else stubborn and doesn’t want to take meds? Am I just being silly? And what dose of xanax are some of you on? How does it make you feel? How often do you take it? And is anyone on xanax CR..?? Does anyone use instant messenger in here? I am on aim, and yahoo, and a chat now and again would be nice. Email me if you have them and could be a chatting buddy support friend of mine..lol Thanks! marieg AT thefamm dot com — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Well I woke up this morning and my head is filled with snot. I don’t know if its allergies or I am getting a sinus ordeal, or if I am just getting a cold. The weather here has been 70’s for 2 days now, and I am miserable. I am having bad anxiety today too, and I cant stand it. I put off taking xanax as much as possible because I am stubborn and don’t think I need it. But this morning I need it. I have been taking a .5 mg tablet in the evening to because all day not taking anything makes me nuts by then. I try so hard to be strong and I cant be strong, I tell myself that I can do this and I can get threw it, and I cant. It sucks. I have to go to My sons 1st grade class today as a helper and its really going to blow. I don’t want to do it now, and I have to. He will be so disappointed if I don’t show up. I think once I am there and working with the kids I will be fine. But worrying about a panic attack is no good. I just needed to vent a little. I really wish I wasn’t going threw this. Is anyone else stubborn and doesn’t want to take meds? Am I just being silly? And what dose of xanax are some of you on? How does it make you feel? How often do you take it? And is anyone on xanax CR..?? Does anyone use instant messenger in here? I am on aim, and yahoo, and a chat now and again would be nice. Email me if you have them and could be a chatting buddy support friend of mine..lol Thanks! marieg AT thefamm dot com — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I woke up this morning and my head is filled with snot. I don’t know if its allergies or I am getting a sinus ordeal, or if I am just getting a cold. The weather here has been 70’s for 2 days now, and I am miserable. I am having bad anxiety today too, and I cant stand it. I put off taking xanax as much as possible because I am stubborn and don’t think I need it. But this morning I need it. I have been taking a .5 mg tablet in the evening to because all day not taking anything makes me nuts by then. I try so hard to be strong and I cant be strong, I tell myself that I can do this and I can get threw it, and I cant. It sucks. I have to go to My sons 1st grade class today as a helper and its really going to blow. I don’t want to do it now, and I have to. He will be so disappointed if I don’t show up. I think once I am there and working with the kids I will be fine. But worrying about a panic attack is no good. I just needed to vent a little. I really wish I wasn’t going threw this. Is anyone else stubborn and doesn’t want to take meds? Am I just being silly? And what dose of xanax are some of you on? How does it make you feel? How often do you take it? And is anyone on xanax CR..??

I hate taking the "freakin" meds. I have never like taking medications of any kind for any purpose. Blood pressure, Cholesterol, Anxiety, Sleep aid, and migraine meds…..I feel like a walking pharmacy and I know that is a short list compared to what others are taking. If I was single, I know that my stubbornness would win out and all the meds would hit the garbage can. — Ron P Member of the invisible generation — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Wht are your views on Haldol?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You have voiced my thoughts word for word Jackie. Maybe I am going too fast: yoga breathing, meditation, exercise, CBT. My CBT psychologist too has said that a spike in anxiety was expected and will pace it (though I am pushing for more sessions.) The side effects of antipsychotics are not worth it in my opinion. And why for anxiety got me surprised. Thanks, Sunil ::After my forward two steps backwards one after starting CBT by a nice ::therapist, my psychiatrist wants to add haloperidol aka Haldol to the ::imipramine and lorazepam I am already taking. ::I am not to keen on adding to the cocktail of drugs I am already on. ::Please advise. Dear Sunil, Only you can decide if you want to give Haldol a try. If this were me, there is no way I would take an anti-pyschotic for an anxiety disorder. In my opinion, what you are experiencing is normal at this stage of the game regarding CBT. Instead of adding another med, I suggest you pace yourself a bit slower when practicing desensitization. Maybe you’re going too fast. My CBT psychologist used to caution me to slow down, that I was trying to do too much. In my opinion, being patient, giving yourself some time to settle back down and being extra gentle with yourself will be far more effective than taking a med that carries a lot of side-effects with it. Jackie

Sunil, I kind of over did my CBT at one point, to the point it became obsessive with me (I was also quite ill at the time).. I had to back off a bit and not practice it continually, but only when I found myself getting anxious. Maybe you could try that and see if that works for you. You’ll find the right combination – remember, you are new to the CBT and it takes practice and don’t aim for a cure or perfection – which is a fundamental principal of CBT, you can’t be perfect. Just aim for "better" and just accept the fact that there is no 100% all the time cure for this stuff.. but the therapy is an excellent tool you can use, and you are just learning to use it. Cut yourself some slack, it takes time. I’m still learning too. Good luck. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I agree Sally. My doc had no explanation for prescribing an antipsychotic. Hah! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sunil, I kind of over did my CBT at one point, to the point it became obsessive with me (I was also quite ill at the time).. I had to back off a bit and not practice it continually, but only when I found myself getting anxious. Maybe you could try that and see if that works for you. You’ll find the right combination – remember, you are new to the CBT and it takes practice and don’t aim for a cure or perfection – which is a fundamental principal of CBT, you can’t be perfect. Just aim for "better" and just accept the fact that there is no 100% all the time cure for this stuff.. but the therapy is an excellent tool you can use, and you are just learning to use it. Cut yourself some slack, it takes time. I’m still learning too. Good luck. Sally

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree Sally. My doc had no explanation for prescribing an antipsychotic. Hah! Sunil, I kind of over did my CBT at one point, to the point it became obsessive with me (I was also quite ill at the time).. I had to back off a bit and not practice it continually, but only when I found myself getting anxious. Maybe you could try that and see if that works for you. You’ll find the right combination – remember, you are new to the CBT and it takes practice and don’t aim for a cure or perfection – which is a fundamental principal of CBT, you can’t be perfect. Just aim for "better" and just accept the fact that there is no 100% all the time cure for this stuff.. but the therapy is an excellent tool you can use, and you are just learning to use it. Cut yourself some slack, it takes time. I’m still learning too. Good luck. Sally

Sunil, My explanation is he may need some himself <eg I am kidding, but I’m glad you confronted him and asked  him for an explanation. He owes you that much if he wants to put you on a med like Haldol. There is value in being proactive about your health, informed, and genuinely wanting to know why a doctor wants to follow some course of treatment – I just doubt any benefit could come from taking Haldol for anxiety. I took a very high dose of the stuff and would still panic, even with CBT. It’s not a good med for anxiety at all, but it helped me with other symptoms in the past that were not anxiety. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Thanks Sally! Haldol or Serenace as it is called here is an antipsychotic so why is being given for my anxiety? My condition does not warrant it. Plus my gut says enough of meds. I will take more opnions and read your post too. Thanks, Sunil – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, After my forward two steps backwards one after starting CBT by a nice therapist, my psychiatrist wants to add haloperidol aka Haldol to the imipramine and lorazepam I am already taking. I am not to keen on adding to the cocktail of drugs I am already on. Please advise. Thnaks in advance. Sunil Sunil, Haldol is a good drug, but I can’t compare you to me. I have other dx’s and don’t know that you do or do not have anything akin to what I have. I can vouch for Haldol being effective. For years, it was the only thing that did help me, but not in regards to anxiety. You need a doctor’s opinion on this one, not mine. Haldol is a good drug, but it would only be a good drug if your condition warrants an antipsychotic, it’s not gonna do a thing for anxiety only. There seems to be an influx of doctors prescribing antipsychotics for conditions that the drugs aren’t meant to be used for – OTOH, if you have voices and delusions etc, then Haldol is good for that, but not for anxiety. If you only have anxiety, I’d get another doctor or simply not comply with that. Read my post to alex – about the TD, which started with me from taking Haldol. Don’t want to scare you, but it’s not a drug I would take without a real condition that I needed Haldol for. Take care, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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newnimproved schreef: Hi, After my forward two steps backwards one after starting CBT by a nice therapist, my psychiatrist wants to add haloperidol aka Haldol to the imipramine and lorazepam I am already taking. I am not to keen on adding to the cocktail of drugs I am already on. Please advise. Thnaks in advance. Sunil

If there is a reason to prescribe an antipsychotic the pdoc should tell you why he thinks so. And if you think that’s a valid reason (which is rarely the case with a garden-variety anxiety disorder as opposed to double diagnoses, psychotic anxiety & treatment reistant anxiety/panic) a newer *atypical* one (Seroquel, Risperdal, Abilify, Zyprexa) is much to be prefered. It’s important that a pdoc works *with* you and explains in clear terms why he prescibes whatever he prescribes and if you don’t feel good about it, don;t take it. It’s your life and he is the hired help Philip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::After my forward two steps backwards one after starting CBT by a nice ::therapist, my psychiatrist wants to add haloperidol aka Haldol to the ::imipramine and lorazepam I am already taking. ::I am not to keen on adding to the cocktail of drugs I am already on. ::Please advise. Dear Sunil, Only you can decide if you want to give Haldol a try. If this were me, there is no way I would take an anti-pyschotic for an anxiety disorder. In my opinion, what you are experiencing is normal at this stage of the game regarding CBT. Instead of adding another med, I suggest you pace yourself a bit slower when practicing desensitization. Maybe you’re going too fast. My CBT psychologist used to caution me to slow down, that I was trying to do too much. In my opinion, being patient, giving yourself some time to settle back down and being extra gentle with yourself will be far more effective than taking a med that carries a lot of side-effects with it. Jackie ~*~I have not ceased being fearful, but I have ceased to let fear control me… I have gone ahead despite the pounding in my heart that says:  turn back, turn back, you’ll die if you venture too far~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Philip, The shrinks here believe in carpet bombing with meds and never counsel. There was no reason given for this addition. My reading is that since beginning CBT I have to *finally* face my fears which is causing an increase in general anxiety. Naturally there will be a spike. Also my yoga breathing and more exercise has helped me tremendously. I was pass on the Haldol. Thanks for being there. Sunil newnimproved schreef: Hi, After my forward two steps backwards one after starting CBT by a nice therapist, my psychiatrist wants to add haloperidol aka Haldol to the imipramine and lorazepam I am already taking. I am not to keen on adding to the cocktail of drugs I am already on. Please advise. Thnaks in advance. Sunil If there is a reason to prescribe an antipsychotic the pdoc should tell you why he thinks so. And if you think that’s a valid reason (which is rarely the case with a garden-variety anxiety disorder as opposed to double diagnoses, psychotic anxiety & treatment reistant anxiety/panic) a newer *atypical* one (Seroquel, Risperdal, Abilify, Zyprexa) is much to be prefered. It’s important that a pdoc works *with* you and explains in clear terms why he prescibes whatever he prescribes and if you don’t feel good about it, don;t take it. It’s your life and he is the hired help Philip

Sunil, Philip is so right about all of this – Your doctor needs to come out and explain exactly why he wants to treat you with an antipsychotic. Especially an older one like Haldol. They put me on Haldol when nothing else worked and I *do* have symptoms that warrant and antipsychotic. If you are not delusional, don’t have hallucinations, don’t hear voices.. all that stuff?? I don’t get why he would even go there. Sounds strange to me, Sunil. Take care, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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You have voiced my thoughts word for word Jackie. Maybe I am going too fast: yoga breathing, meditation, exercise, CBT. My CBT psychologist too has said that a spike in anxiety was expected and will pace it (though I am pushing for more sessions.) The side effects of antipsychotics are not worth it in my opinion. And why for anxiety got me surprised. Thanks, Sunil – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ::After my forward two steps backwards one after starting CBT by a nice ::therapist, my psychiatrist wants to add haloperidol aka Haldol to the ::imipramine and lorazepam I am already taking. ::I am not to keen on adding to the cocktail of drugs I am already on. ::Please advise. Dear Sunil, Only you can decide if you want to give Haldol a try. If this were me, there is no way I would take an anti-pyschotic for an anxiety disorder. In my opinion, what you are experiencing is normal at this stage of the game regarding CBT. Instead of adding another med, I suggest you pace yourself a bit slower when practicing desensitization. Maybe you’re going too fast. My CBT psychologist used to caution me to slow down, that I was trying to do too much. In my opinion, being patient, giving yourself some time to settle back down and being extra gentle with yourself will be far more effective than taking a med that carries a lot of side-effects with it. Jackie ~*~I have not ceased being fearful, but I have ceased to let fear control me… I have gone ahead despite the pounding in my heart that says:  turn back, turn back, you’ll die if you venture too far~*~

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Hi Philip, The shrinks here believe in carpet bombing with meds and never counsel. There was no reason given for this addition. My reading is that since beginning CBT I have to *finally* face my fears which is causing an increase in general anxiety. Naturally there will be a spike. Also my yoga breathing and more exercise has helped me tremendously. I was pass on the Haldol. Thanks for being there. Sunil – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – newnimproved schreef: Hi, After my forward two steps backwards one after starting CBT by a nice therapist, my psychiatrist wants to add haloperidol aka Haldol to the imipramine and lorazepam I am already taking. I am not to keen on adding to the cocktail of drugs I am already on. Please advise. Thnaks in advance. Sunil If there is a reason to prescribe an antipsychotic the pdoc should tell you why he thinks so. And if you think that’s a valid reason (which is rarely the case with a garden-variety anxiety disorder as opposed to double diagnoses, psychotic anxiety & treatment reistant anxiety/panic) a newer *atypical* one (Seroquel, Risperdal, Abilify, Zyprexa) is much to be prefered. It’s important that a pdoc works *with* you and explains in clear terms why he prescibes whatever he prescribes and if you don’t feel good about it, don;t take it. It’s your life and he is the hired help Philip

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Hi, After my forward two steps backwards one after starting CBT by a nice therapist, my psychiatrist wants to add haloperidol aka Haldol to the imipramine and lorazepam I am already taking. I am not to keen on adding to the cocktail of drugs I am already on. Please advise. Thnaks in advance. Sunil

Sunil, Haldol is a good drug, but I can’t compare you to me. I have other dx’s and don’t know that you do or do not have anything akin to what I have. I can vouch for Haldol being effective. For years, it was the only thing that did help me, but not in regards to anxiety. You need a doctor’s opinion on this one, not mine. Haldol is a good drug, but it would only be a good drug if your condition warrants an antipsychotic, it’s not gonna do a thing for anxiety only. There seems to be an influx of doctors prescribing antipsychotics for conditions that the drugs aren’t meant to be used for – OTOH, if you have voices and delusions etc, then Haldol is good for that, but not for anxiety. If you only have anxiety, I’d get another doctor or simply not comply with that. Read my post to alex – about the TD, which started with me from taking Haldol. Don’t want to scare you, but it’s not a drug I would take without a real condition that I needed Haldol for. Take care, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, After my forward two steps backwards one after starting CBT by a nice therapist, my psychiatrist wants to add haloperidol aka Haldol to the imipramine and lorazepam I am already taking. I am not to keen on adding to the cocktail of drugs I am already on. Please advise. Thnaks in advance. Sunil — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Not So Bad, In the End

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snip: There were no polyps or anything, so the outcome was fine! snip: Not nearly as bad as I thought it would be.  I guess they’ve made the procedure a lot easier on the patient, so people would be more likely to do it.   Dennis

Hi Dennis:  Glad you had a fairly easy time of it.  No polyps is good. You won’t need another procedure for approx. 10 years I think.  Where did they have to stick you with the IV?  I ask because they had to put one inside the middle of my forearm.  Hurt like hell — in fact that was the only pain I felt thru my procedure. WTG! -frizz — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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    There were no polyps or anything, so the outcome was fine! Not even a hemorrhoid!?!

        As a matter of fact, they did find some of those but I knew about that!  ;-)   (Yeah, I know I’m a pain in the ass!) Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I’m so glad there are no polyps, Dennis.  You did really well!  I’m very proud of you for doing this.  {{{{{Dennis}}}}}

        Thanks, Diana!  A lot of the reason I did it was to prove I could handle it.  Even with my anxiety disorder. Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I’m so glad there are no polyps, Dennis.  You did really well!  I’m very proud of you for doing this.  {{{{{Dennis}}}}}    Thanks, Diana!  A lot of the reason I did it was to prove I could handle it.  Even with my anxiety disorder. Dennis

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<gently snipped ::Not nearly as bad as I thought it would be.  I guess they’ve made the ::procedure a lot easier on the patient, so people would be more likely to do ::it.   Dear Dennis, Glad to hear the colonoscopy wasn’t that bad! Great news that nothing was found. Feel better soon! Jackie ~*~I have not ceased being fearful, but I have ceased to let fear control me… I have gone ahead despite the pounding in my heart that says:  turn back, turn back, you’ll die if you venture too far~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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    There were no polyps or anything, so the outcome was fine!

Not even a hemorrhoid!?! Chip  :^) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I’m so glad there are no polyps, Dennis.  You did really well!  I’m very proud of you for doing this.  {{{{{Dennis}}}}} Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    I had my colonoscopy today and it wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought. The worst part was when they had to put my IV in at a bad spot LOL.  They gave me Demerol and Valium in the procedure room and I felt very little when they did it.  I lay on my side in a regular hospital bed when they did it and I didn’t feel much.  Afterward, I had air in me that I had to pass, but it wasn’t too bad.  Some people had told me to wear a jogging outfit, so I did and got dressed again easily.  My wife drove me home and I slept for a couple hours and then was fine.    There were no polyps or anything, so the outcome was fine!    Yesterday wasn’t bad either.  I had to drink TriLyte PEG 3350; a pharmacist told me to mix lemon Crystalite in it, so it was like drinking Koolaid.  I passed a lot of Dick’s brains… I mean, I shit a lot LOL, but I’ve had cases of diarrhea that felt a lot worse.    Not nearly as bad as I thought it would be.  I guess they’ve made the procedure a lot easier on the patient, so people would be more likely to do it. Dennis

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Dennis schreef: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –            I had my colonoscopy today and it wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought.   The worst part was when they had to put my IV in at a bad spot LOL.  They gave me Demerol and Valium in the procedure room and I felt very little when they did it.  I lay on my side in a regular hospital bed when they did it and I didn’t feel much.  Afterward, I had air in me that I had to pass, but it wasn’t too bad.  Some people had told me to wear a jogging outfit, so I did and got dressed again easily.  My wife drove me home and I slept for a couple hours and then was fine.            There were no polyps or anything, so the outcome was fine!            Yesterday wasn’t bad either.  I had to drink TriLyte PEG 3350; a pharmacist told me to mix lemon Crystalite in it, so it was like drinking Koolaid.  I passed a lot of Dick’s brains… I mean, I shit a lot LOL, but I’ve had cases of diarrhea that felt a lot worse.              Not nearly as bad as I thought it would be.  I guess they’ve made the procedure a lot easier on the patient, so people would be more likely to do it.   Dennis

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     I had my colonoscopy today and it wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought. The worst part was when they had to put my IV in at a bad spot LOL.  They gave me Demerol and Valium in the procedure room and I felt very little when they did it.  I lay on my side in a regular hospital bed when they did it and I didn’t feel much.  Afterward, I had air in me that I had to pass, but it wasn’t too bad.  Some people had told me to wear a jogging outfit, so I did and got dressed again easily.  My wife drove me home and I slept for a couple hours and then was fine.     There were no polyps or anything, so the outcome was fine!     Yesterday wasn’t bad either.  I had to drink TriLyte PEG 3350; a pharmacist told me to mix lemon Crystalite in it, so it was like drinking Koolaid.  I passed a lot of Dick’s brains… I mean, I shit a lot LOL, but I’ve had cases of diarrhea that felt a lot worse.     Not nearly as bad as I thought it would be.  I guess they’ve made the procedure a lot easier on the patient, so people would be more likely to do it.

Hi Dennis, I had a colonscopy done about 2 years ago and its the first one I’ve ever had done, and I wouldn’t care to get it done again unless I absolutely had to. I thought it was an awful experience. The night before was bad with having to go to the bathroom every 5 minutes and became very painful in the end (pun intended). I had to drink two bottles of stuff. I can’t remember the name. I’m in Toronto, Canada but would be similar stuff. It wasn’t bad to drink, but drinking 14 glasses or whatever it was during the course of the evening was very difficult. I was going to try the colonscopy without any valium, but half way through the pain became bad, so he gave me an IV in the back of my hand, and I was woozy for at least an hour after the procedure and had severa abdominal pains, so had to walk up and down the hall at the clinic til the pain lessened. If you didn’t think it was bad, I am glad for you, but I can’t say the same. Mary — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Dennis:  Glad you had a fairly easy time of it.  No polyps is good. You won’t need another procedure for approx. 10 years I think.  

        Seven, he said.   Where did they have to stick you with the IV?  I ask because they had to put one inside the middle of my forearm.  Hurt like hell — in fact that was the only pain I felt thru my procedure.

        They stuck it into the side of my wrist, and it stung, they knew but couldn’t find one anyone else.   Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     I had my colonoscopy today and it wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought. The worst part was when they had to put my IV in at a bad spot LOL.  They gave me Demerol and Valium in the procedure room and I felt very little when they did it.  I lay on my side in a regular hospital bed when they did it and I didn’t feel much.  Afterward, I had air in me that I had to pass, but it wasn’t too bad.  Some people had told me to wear a jogging outfit, so I did and got dressed again easily.  My wife drove me home and I slept for a couple hours and then was fine.     There were no polyps or anything, so the outcome was fine!     Yesterday wasn’t bad either.  I had to drink TriLyte PEG 3350; a pharmacist told me to mix lemon Crystalite in it, so it was like drinking Koolaid.  I passed a lot of Dick’s brains… I mean, I shit a lot LOL, but I’ve had cases of diarrhea that felt a lot worse.     Not nearly as bad as I thought it would be.  I guess they’ve made the procedure a lot easier on the patient, so people would be more likely to do it. Dennis

I’m supposed to have one done, too, but at the rate I’m going, one procedure at a time, please!!!!  LOL.  I’m glad it wasn’t as bad as you thought and I’m very happy to hear there were no polyps. kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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        I had my colonoscopy today and it wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought.   The worst part was when they had to put my IV in at a bad spot LOL.  They gave me Demerol and Valium in the procedure room and I felt very little when they did it.  I lay on my side in a regular hospital bed when they did it and I didn’t feel much.  Afterward, I had air in me that I had to pass, but it wasn’t too bad.  Some people had told me to wear a jogging outfit, so I did and got dressed again easily.  My wife drove me home and I slept for a couple hours and then was fine.         There were no polyps or anything, so the outcome was fine!         Yesterday wasn’t bad either.  I had to drink TriLyte PEG 3350; a pharmacist told me to mix lemon Crystalite in it, so it was like drinking Koolaid.  I passed a lot of Dick’s brains… I mean, I shit a lot LOL, but I’ve had cases of diarrhea that felt a lot worse.           Not nearly as bad as I thought it would be.  I guess they’ve made the procedure a lot easier on the patient, so people would be more likely to do it.   Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Dennis, Glad you made it through the colonoscopy.  No polyps, that’s very good news. smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    I had my colonoscopy today and it wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought. The worst part was when they had to put my IV in at a bad spot LOL.  They gave me Demerol and Valium in the procedure room and I felt very little when they did it.  I lay on my side in a regular hospital bed when they did it and I didn’t feel much.  Afterward, I had air in me that I had to pass, but it wasn’t too bad.  Some people had told me to wear a jogging outfit, so I did and got dressed again easily.  My wife drove me home and I slept for a couple hours and then was fine.    There were no polyps or anything, so the outcome was fine!    Yesterday wasn’t bad either.  I had to drink TriLyte PEG 3350; a pharmacist told me to mix lemon Crystalite in it, so it was like drinking Koolaid.  I passed a lot of Dick’s brains… I mean, I shit a lot LOL, but I’ve had cases of diarrhea that felt a lot worse.    Not nearly as bad as I thought it would be.  I guess they’ve made the procedure a lot easier on the patient, so people would be more likely to do it. Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Kids and Anxiety?

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Do any of you have young children? I have 3. Benjamin 6, Matthew 5(next month) and Lily 2. So it makes keeping stress free very difficult. I made it most of the day without taking a xanax. at dinner time I needed it. I have been doing great for 2 days. I am very proud of myself. VERY. I wish I didn’t have to even worry about this but hey. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger….right?? lol Anywho, the kids thing, sorry I got off track again. But What do you do with your kids? How do you cope? What types of things do you do to relax that involve them? MarieG — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Marie Well done you..!!! I cant lay off the cr*p I’m prescribed for more than a day, if I do I turn into the Devil Incarnate… I kid you not…. The best suggestion for children is a routine, bloody hard to implement but once done you wont go back.. Me and my partner have three children two are 13 (twins) and one 9. The younger is in bed by 8:30 pm she doesnt usually go to sleep for about 20 -30 mins, but has a read until tired, or colours.. The twins go at 9:30 pm and again have around half an hour winding down… We are always up relativly early, my mind is always on the go, computer geek.. lol Another tip that I swear by is AVOID – MONOSODIUM GLUTAMATE or MSG, it is a excito toxin and as in a documentary I watched the doctor said it "burns" out nurons.. And avoid like the plague ASPARTAME and its brand names.. Just type into google and do the reasearch not nice stuff… Aspartame can be used as ant poison…!! My thought is that 95% of mental/physical health problems are from diet… and dont start me on dairy…  milk is only good for cows….. Also keep candy down to a minimum…  And bikes work well to burn off energy.. lol good luck..!!! — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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My thought is that 95% of mental/physical health problems are from diet… and dont start me on dairy…  milk is only good for cows…..

Hi ML.  I completely agree.  I think the shit we have been putting into our bodies since the rise of artificial colours/preservatives/flavours etc doesn’t even deserve to be called food.  We are probably lucky if the worst we end up with is an anxiety disorder!! — _TJ_ <TJ_IREL at YAHOO dot IE — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Do any of you have young children? I have 3. Benjamin 6, Matthew 5(next month) and Lily 2. So it makes keeping stress free very difficult. I made it most of the day without taking a xanax. at dinner time I needed it. I have been doing great for 2 days. I am very proud of myself. VERY. I wish I didn’t have to even worry about this but hey. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger….right?? lol Anywho, the kids thing, sorry I got off track again. But What do you do with your kids? How do you cope? What types of things do you do to relax that involve them?

Hi Marie, I have 4 children ranging from 6 to 15 years of age. I also work part-time and manage my anxiety disorder which I’ve had since I was 14. Some days I wonder how I manage but I’m very lucky that I have a wonderful supportive husband who helps with all the daily tasks as well as emotionally. One thing that has helped me over the years is to keep a journal in which I record all the positives of each day. When life seems too stressful I break down the tasks to manageable sizes so it doesn’t overwhelm. This strategy works with dealing with children as well as dealing with anxiety and panic. Some things I enjoyed with my children that were fun and relaxing include reading books, going for walks, playing sports or games, painting and drawing together, going to the playground or even simply watching TV together. Congrats on doing well over the last couple of days. The early stages of an anxiety disorder can be very frightening but it’s so great you’ve been diagnosed quickly as it will be easier to nip it in the bud. It’s natural to be annoyed or angry for having anxiety… I recall saying why me, why am I like this, why do I need to deal with this… and I didn’t even know what was wrong. As with many others I was misdiagnosed for several years and therefore went on to develop agoraphobia. Discovering cognitive behavioural therapy and with the help of medication I was able to get back to a normal life. All the best. Vanessa — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Do any of you have young children? I have 3. Benjamin 6, Matthew 5(next ::month) and Lily 2. So it makes keeping stress free very difficult. ::I made it most of the day without taking a xanax. at dinner time I needed ::it. I have been doing great for 2 days. I am very proud of myself. VERY. I ::wish I didn’t have to even worry about this but hey. What doesn’t kill you ::makes you stronger….right?? ::lol :: ::Anywho, the kids thing, sorry I got off track again. ::But What do you do with your kids? How do you cope? What types of things do ::you do to relax that involve them? Dear Marie, My two older kids are adults now, but I do have a 12 year old. When the two older ones were very young….. my panic and agoraphobia were quite bad. Also, when my 12 year old was a toddler, I suffered a severe setback. I have lots of experience being a very anxious person while raising young kids Things that relaxed and calmed all of us were reading books, watching a favorite movie, playing "house" with them, taking them for a walk and playing Barbies, Legos or any other toy of theirs. Days where my panic and agoraphobia weren’t bad we would go to the library, out to McDonald’s or some ice cream or we went to the park. Two things that helped a lot were nap time when they were young and an "early" bed time. It helped to know that at 8 pm, the kids went to bed and I had a few hours to do what I wanted in peace and quiet. Jackie "I had a stick of CareFree gum, but it didn’t work. I felt pretty good for a while, but as soon as the gum lost its flavor, I was back to pondering my mortality."

It's Official, I'll Be Out at Work

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Good luck with the job search, Dennis! Better things are yet to come! MikeH

        Thanks, Mike!  At least I won’t have a Dick for a boss!  ;-) Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Good luck with the job search, Dennis! Better things are yet to come! MikeH    Thanks, Mike!  At least I won’t have a Dick for a boss!  ;-)

You see!  Things are looking up already!!! ))) There’s always a silver lining.  Sometimes you just have to look a bit harder to find it! Take care! MikeH  . — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Good luck with the job search, Dennis! Better things are yet to come! MikeH

   Wish me luck!  I’ll need your support.

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So sorry about your job loss. As painful as it is, I think it may be a blessing in disguise. You were unhappy there and quite stressed. It’s hard to go to work feeling like that. I wish you luck in you job hunt and hope you find a job that fits better.

        I agree.  That’s hardly what an anxiety disorder sufferer needs!   It’ll be good to away from Dick and all his garbage. Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::      No great surprise.   I was just getting ready to kick my job hunt ::into high gear.  I found a job search firm that will help me a lot.  I have ::to pay a fee which is rather high but they help a lot with resume, letters, ::finding leads, coaching and other things.  My stockbroker said they’re ::legit and said go for it, so I will!  The job market’s good, so it should ::go well.   <gently snipped Dear Dennis, So sorry about your job loss. As painful as it is, I think it may be a blessing in disguise. You were unhappy there and quite stressed. It’s hard to go to work feeling like that. I wish you luck in you job hunt and hope you find a job that fits better. Jackie ~*~My halo is temporarily out of order~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Dennis, Wishing you much success in your job search.  Please keep us updated. smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Today I talked to the vice-president Daniel and he told me that they won’t keep me after the current project is over, which will be in a few weeks.    No great surprise.   I was just getting ready to kick my job hunt into high gear.  I found a job search firm that will help me a lot.  I have to pay a fee which is rather high but they help a lot with resume, letters, finding leads, coaching and other things.  My stockbroker said they’re legit and said go for it, so I will!  The job market’s good, so it should go well.    No doubt this is a case of religious discrimination, but it wouldn’t be in my interest to file a suit for quite a number of reasons.  Much better just to go on and find something better!  I learned a lot, both technically and in terms of people, and I get to keep that, so the loss is Dick’s, even if he’s too blinkered to see it.    Wish me luck!  I’ll need your support. Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         Today I talked to the vice-president Daniel and he told me that they won’t keep me after the current project is over, which will be in a few weeks.         No great surprise.   I was just getting ready to kick my job hunt into high gear.  I found a job search firm that will help me a lot.  I have to pay a fee which is rather high but they help a lot with resume, letters, finding leads, coaching and other things.  My stockbroker said they’re legit and said go for it, so I will!  The job market’s good, so it should go well.         No doubt this is a case of religious discrimination, but it wouldn’t be in my interest to file a suit for quite a number of reasons.  Much better just to go on and find something better!  I learned a lot, both technically and in terms of people, and I get to keep that, so the loss is Dick’s, even if he’s too blinkered to see it.         Wish me luck!  I’ll need your support. Dennis

Dennis, I am so sorry.. it will be good to be in a more comfortable work environment, but financial worries are BIG ones. I recommend indeed.com – it is sort of the Google of local want ads, but the best jobs are not advertised, as you know. Unsure about the firm.. Personally, I wouldn’t pay a fee. I’d make the firm pay it, but that is me.. and I may not know what I am talking about, as I don’t know your industry. I wish you well..good luck. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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        Today I talked to the vice-president Daniel and he told me that they won’t keep me after the current project is over, which will be in a few weeks.           No great surprise.   I was just getting ready to kick my job hunt into high gear.  I found a job search firm that will help me a lot.  I have to pay a fee which is rather high but they help a lot with resume, letters, finding leads, coaching and other things.  My stockbroker said they’re legit and said go for it, so I will!  The job market’s good, so it should go well.           No doubt this is a case of religious discrimination, but it wouldn’t be in my interest to file a suit for quite a number of reasons.  Much better just to go on and find something better!  I learned a lot, both technically and in terms of people, and I get to keep that, so the loss is Dick’s, even if he’s too blinkered to see it.           Wish me luck!  I’ll need your support. Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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can any one help

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hi i dont know how long i have been suffering from anxiety disorder olny lately did i realize the real nature of my trouble i tried to visit a doc but could not continue for long now i am on valium 5 mg for past 2 months but it make’s me feel real tired i feel sleepy all the day feel like a zombie dont know what to do and it seems not to work as i still feel the anxiety attack when among new ppl i am stuck in a horrible state i even feel like ending my life but dont know how long can i go on like this i dont feel any emotional attachment towards my family can any one suggest any thing plz hurry up time it seems is against me — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::i dont know how long i have been suffering from anxiety disorder ::olny lately did i realize the real nature of my trouble ::i tried to visit a doc but could not continue for long ::now i am on valium 5 mg for past 2 months but it make’s me feel real ::tired ::i feel sleepy all the day ::feel like a zombie ::dont know what to do ::and it seems not to work as i still feel the anxiety attack when among ::new ppl ::i am stuck in a horrible state ::i even feel like ending my life ::but dont know how long can i go on like this ::i dont feel any emotional attachment towards my family ::can any one suggest any thing ::plz hurry up ::time it seems is against me Dear Ethan, Welcome to ASAPM! I`m really sorry that you are having such a bad time of it lately. I urge you to call the doctor that prescribed the Valium and let him know how the Valium is affecting you. With so many other medications available, there is NO reason you must suffer this way. I also suggest you look into finding a local support group. You would feel less alone. If you really start feeling that you`re at the end of your rope, please call a crisis hotline. If you tell me what country you live in, I may be able to provide you with some resources. Please do one thing right now, and that is call your doctor. That is what I suggest to you. If there is anything else we can do for you, don`t hesitate to ask, okay? Jackie ~*~I still have bad days. But that’s okay. I used to have bad years~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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can any one suggest any thing

It would be ideal if there were a simple answer, or a fast cure. There doesn’t seem to be, and we’ve all been looking. The best answer is to make small steps. If your meds are making you sleepy, then work with your doctor to solve that problem. If you get especially anxious around people you don’t know, then address that issue. I know this isn’t the most attractive thing to say, but anxiety is about winning small battles. You can do it. People with anxiety fight this battle, and stay afloat. It just takes a little bit of courage and the willingness to make mistakes and learn from them. You’ll be fine. Besides, you’ve got a nice doc there that gives you Valium. I wish I could get that stuff. I’m stuck with Klonopin, which is a much more "nothing to see here, go about your business" type of med. Or something. Anyway, wishing you the best of luck, and please keep posting, so you can talk about what’s going on. Ian — I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just gonna ask where they’re goin’, and hook up with ‘em later. (Mitch Hedberg) http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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hi. I think most people here have gone through what you have at some point. years ago I felt like that for a couple months…I know how miserable it is. You have to work with your doc and find the correct med[s] for you! Also, I’m told that cognitive behavioral therapy is excellent help as well. hang in there and talk with your dr. you can feel better. -take care, z [aka rob]

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi i dont know how long i have been suffering from anxiety disorder olny lately did i realize the real nature of my trouble i tried to visit a doc but could not continue for long now i am on valium 5 mg for past 2 months but it make’s me feel real tired i feel sleepy all the day feel like a zombie dont know what to do and it seems not to work as i still feel the anxiety attack when among new ppl i am stuck in a horrible state i even feel like ending my life but dont know how long can i go on like this i dont feel any emotional attachment towards my family can any one suggest any thing plz hurry up time it seems is against me

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Is Intense Worry just a form of Anxiety?

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::Worring about nearly everything to the point of wanting to drink ::seriously again. Is this just anxiety getting worse or returning in ::another form? Hi Dan, Nice to see you again What you describe sounds like it could be Generalized Anxiety disorder. You really need to talk to your doctor or pdoc to see if this is what you are dealing with. Last you posted, you were taking a tricyclic antidepressant? Are you on any meds now? Here are some very informative links on Generalized Anxiety disorder. Take a look and see if you relate to any of it. http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-an07.html http://www.nimh.nih.gov/healthinformation/gadmenu.cfm http://panicdisorder.about.com/od/gad/ Please call your doctor ASAP. Wanting to drink is a sign that you need help. The sooner, the better. You don`t have to suffer like this. Jackie ~*~Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better~*~    ~~Samuel Beckett — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Worring about nearly everything to the point of wanting to drink seriously again. Is this just anxiety getting worse or returning in another form? — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Columbo schreef: Worring about nearly everything to the point of wanting to drink seriously again. Is this just anxiety getting worse or returning in another form?

It may be GAD (Generalized Anxiety Disorder). Please don’t start drinking again, it won’t solve a thing. Seeing a pdoc/psychologist might help, especially if (s)he practices CBT. Philip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Worring about nearly everything to the point of wanting to drink seriously again. Is this just anxiety getting worse or returning in another form? Dan, Sounds like GAD and I fell into a trap of drinking to alleviating it, then waking up with even worse anxiety from the alcohol and drinking again to alleviate THAT anxiety. My life then consisted only of drinking. You don’t want to add "alcoholic" to one of your diagnoses. See a doctor, You need Cognitive Behavioral Therapy – that helped my GAD the most.. I’ve been exactly where you are, can only say the worst thing you can do is try to self medicate it away with alcohol. It’s a trap that looks good, but it is NOT good..no lie. Take care, Sally — What is CBT? I see what the letters stand for. Just a better description would help. Does it take many sessions. I know the word "many" is lacking, but rough idea.

Cognitive – As in referring to your thoughts/cognitions/thinking patterns Behavioral – obvious, altering behavior Therapy – obvious. My therapist is not a CBT therapist. She knows enough about it that she does give me pointers. I got that "Feeling Good the New Mood Therapy" by David Burns M.D. and applied that stuff. Another good (but rather expensive) book is "Cognitive Therapy Basics and Beyond" by Judith Beck. The Burns book, you can find that often for a penny or a dollar on Amazon. You practice it until much of it becomes automatic – it never will fully become automatic, so it’s a lifelong commitment. Do NOT let that scare you off. So’s alcoholism. So’s anxiety a lifelong thing. I can only tell you that I’ve pretty much gotten rid of my GAD, except in instances of extreme trauma or anxiety provoking situations. I am not where I was, which was a kind of hell. As to sessions.. first make sure, if you see a CBT specialist that they are certified by either Burns or Albert Ellis. Some people claim to be CBT therapists and don’t even know what it is. CBT basically, is based on the premise (as is rebt – Albert Ellis) that thoughts cause your emotions. The IRRATIONAL thoughts trigger anxiety and depression. And they are irrational. If you have GAD, you have irrational thoughts. The number of sessions may vary. I believe Chip in our group pretty much does what I do..reads and applies the books. I do this often, maybe 15-20 minutes per day. I usually read a little before bed and use it throughout my day the next day. I don’t read pages and pages. I may just read one page per day..or just one idea that I know I need to utilize. You’ll know it when you read something that you hadn’t thought of before and seen in that light.  I do go to therapy weekly, but I have many issues and my therapy is free. If money is a consideration, try to find a place with a sliding scale. You may ask Margrove if he knows any CBT therapists in your area, sometimes he can help with things like that. Dan, it’s more effective than the drinking…drinking increases your anxiety. Applied CBT can do the work of several anti anxiety medications. It’s curative. Hard to say how many sessions..but CBT is a lifelong commitment.. but so is sobriety, and I can testify that both can be done. I’m not any stronger willed than you..you just have to WANT to get better very much. Use that as your incentive. I know GAD is anxiety from Hell. I’ve been there. Be well, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Worring about nearly everything to the point of wanting to drink seriously again. Is this just anxiety getting worse or returning in another form? Dan, Sounds like GAD and I fell into a trap of drinking to alleviating it, then waking up with even worse anxiety from the alcohol and drinking again to alleviate THAT anxiety. My life then consisted only of drinking. You don’t want to add "alcoholic" to one of your diagnoses. See a doctor, You need Cognitive Behavioral Therapy – that helped my GAD the most.. I’ve been exactly where you are, can only say the worst thing you can do is try to self medicate it away with alcohol. It’s a trap that looks good, but it is NOT good..no lie. Take care, Sally — What is CBT? I see what the letters stand for. Just a better description would help.

Does it take many sessions. I know the word "many" is lacking, but rough idea. The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Worring about nearly everything to the point of wanting to drink seriously again. Is this just anxiety getting worse or returning in another form?

Dan, Sounds like GAD and I fell into a trap of drinking to alleviating it, then waking up with even worse anxiety from the alcohol and drinking again to alleviate THAT anxiety. My life then consisted only of drinking. You don’t want to add "alcoholic" to one of your diagnoses. See a doctor, You need Cognitive Behavioral Therapy – that helped my GAD the most.. I’ve been exactly where you are, can only say the worst thing you can do is try to self medicate it away with alcohol. It’s a trap that looks good, but it is NOT good..no lie. Take care, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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appointment cancelled – failure

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Hi De: Oh dear, I wanted to go to bed after reading your post too.  I know what it feels like to have to try to answer all the questions let alone think them up.  Too much damned anxiety involved.  Get worn out before you step out of the house. You have to get to a dentist tho.  Someone here suggested you call their office and they may be able to answer all your questions (or most of them).  That’s a great idea.  How is your tooth feeling now? Keeping ya in my thoughts and sending vibes of strength.  If I can help with any web searches, let me know.  I did that for a living for over 20+ years. -frizz I canceled the appointment. snip….

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ps.  this is NOT a failure on your part.  It’s merely a reassessment of what is available to you that doesn’t cause you so much stress.  Keep that in mind and pat yourself on the back that you made the decision to get more info before you started out.  Good for you cause you are looking out for yourself.   -frizz — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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<gently snipped ::can I handle the same walk after a tooth extraction and anesthesia ::what if my purse gets alerted by the drug dogs at the border, it ::doesn’t have any drugs in it but it’s made of woven hemp ::what if mom’s worries are really premonitions ::what if what if what if ::which one where do I how can I :: ::screw the tooth ::i’m taking a pill and going to bed ::i can’t take all this shit Dear Queen Dee, I`m sorry I wasn`t around to support that day. I know you regard yourself as a failure right now. I wish you would see how much progress you`ve made, even with not making it to the dentist. Going to Tijuana sounds like a very complicated process. I have a feeling that many "normies" would be anxious too. Hope you are being kinder to yourself. (((((Deirdre))))) Jackie ~*~I`m an angel! Honest The horns are just there to keep my halo up straight~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hey D. I would get a ride. These are transportation issues. Be sure and get a ride from a Latino person with a very thick accent, and every so often, turn toward the trunk and shout, "Shut up in there! We gave you a water bottle, so no complaining!" Stuff like that. Whoever gives you a ride, make them take you from home to dentist, back to home, and be around you the whole time, so you need not worry about being stranded. Of course, you wrote this post a week or so ago, and I haven’t even read the rest of the thread … but good luck, in case you need it. Ian — I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just gonna ask where they’re goin’, and hook up with ‘em later. (Mitch Hedberg) http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I canceled the appointment. Too many questions screaming in my head even with studying the transit system’s maps and so on at their website why can’t i find the phone number listed on the transit system’s website which trolley stop should I go to from home which one has parking at all which one has free parking which one is safe to park in how much would a taxi from home to the trolley station cost which on is on the trolley line i need, i.e. what does "peak period" mean, does it mean peak period only or not when is the peak period — do I want it or not why does the nearest trolley station mean the longest ride with a transfer to another trolley why haven’t i been on a trolley before, are the seats big enough for a fat person, what if I have to stand will the pain be too bad will i be able to find the ticket vending machine will i forget something important why haven’t i been to mexico alone before why is the terror alert elevated can I afford to go greyhound – round trip $20 does it cost to park at the greyhound depot, is there even any parking there can I handle the long walk from the trolley station or the greyhound station across the border can I handle the same walk after a tooth extraction and anesthesia what if my purse gets alerted by the drug dogs at the border, it doesn’t have any drugs in it but it’s made of woven hemp what if mom’s worries are really premonitions what if what if what if which one where do I how can I screw the tooth i’m taking a pill and going to bed i can’t take all this shit Deirdre

(((((((((Deirdre)))))))) Don’t beat yourself  up. I’d have problems with all those questions, too. If you decide to go, take the trolley and then a cab. Love, Dawn — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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[gently snipped] screw the tooth i’m taking a pill and going to bed i can’t take all this shit

{{{Deirdre}}} Is there any chance that the dentist’s office could answer your transport questions? They probably have more USians using their clinic and may have had these questions asked before… it would be in their own interest to know IMO. As for the hemp bag, no worries: no dogs have ever responded to my hemp body-oil… the druggy hemp has a completely different odour. — Vashti — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I’m so sorry, Deirdre and you are not a failure!  Try it on another day when you’ve gotten a good night’s sleep and not so many questions in your head. I know the feeling, believe me.  {{{{{Deirdre}}}}} Love, Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I canceled the appointment. Too many questions screaming in my head even with studying the transit system’s maps and so on at their website why can’t i find the phone number listed on the transit system’s website which trolley stop should I go to from home which one has parking at all which one has free parking which one is safe to park in how much would a taxi from home to the trolley station cost which on is on the trolley line i need, i.e. what does "peak period" mean, does it mean peak period only or not when is the peak period — do I want it or not why does the nearest trolley station mean the longest ride with a transfer to another trolley why haven’t i been on a trolley before, are the seats big enough for a fat person, what if I have to stand will the pain be too bad will i be able to find the ticket vending machine will i forget something important why haven’t i been to mexico alone before why is the terror alert elevated can I afford to go greyhound – round trip $20 does it cost to park at the greyhound depot, is there even any parking there can I handle the long walk from the trolley station or the greyhound station across the border can I handle the same walk after a tooth extraction and anesthesia what if my purse gets alerted by the drug dogs at the border, it doesn’t have any drugs in it but it’s made of woven hemp what if mom’s worries are really premonitions what if what if what if which one where do I how can I screw the tooth i’m taking a pill and going to bed i can’t take all this shit Deirdre

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I canceled the appointment. Too many questions screaming in my head even with studying the transit system’s maps and so on at their website why can’t i find the phone number listed on the transit system’s website which trolley stop should I go to from home which one has parking at all which one has free parking which one is safe to park in how much would a taxi from home to the trolley station cost which on is on the trolley line i need, i.e. what does "peak period" mean, does it mean peak period only or not when is the peak period — do I want it or not why does the nearest trolley station mean the longest ride with a transfer to another trolley why haven’t i been on a trolley before, are the seats big enough for a fat person, what if I have to stand will the pain be too bad will i be able to find the ticket vending machine will i forget something important why haven’t i been to mexico alone before why is the terror alert elevated can I afford to go greyhound – round trip $20 does it cost to park at the greyhound depot, is there even any parking there can I handle the long walk from the trolley station or the greyhound station across the border can I handle the same walk after a tooth extraction and anesthesia what if my purse gets alerted by the drug dogs at the border, it doesn’t have any drugs in it but it’s made of woven hemp what if mom’s worries are really premonitions what if what if what if which one where do I how can I screw the tooth i’m taking a pill and going to bed i can’t take all this shit Deirdre

Sigh, I can relate.  You still need the toot out, though, and you can’t afford American prices.  Sheesh, who can?  My tumors are coming back because I can’t pay for radiation. Chin up, sweetie.  If you’re not in immediate pain right now, then fine, but you’re going to have to come to grips with it at some point.  I wish I was there to hold your hand with you and help you through this. {{{{{{ Deirdre }}}}}}} kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Deirdre, How are you feeling tonight? Cancelling the appointment is far from the end of the world.  Can you answer some of these questions by searching on the internet?  Might help to give you some insight into what to expert. Please be easy on yourself… smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I canceled the appointment. Too many questions screaming in my head even with studying the transit system’s maps and so on at their website why can’t i find the phone number listed on the transit system’s website which trolley stop should I go to from home which one has parking at all which one has free parking which one is safe to park in how much would a taxi from home to the trolley station cost which on is on the trolley line i need, i.e. what does "peak period" mean, does it mean peak period only or not when is the peak period — do I want it or not why does the nearest trolley station mean the longest ride with a transfer to another trolley why haven’t i been on a trolley before, are the seats big enough for a fat person, what if I have to stand will the pain be too bad will i be able to find the ticket vending machine will i forget something important why haven’t i been to mexico alone before why is the terror alert elevated can I afford to go greyhound – round trip $20 does it cost to park at the greyhound depot, is there even any parking there can I handle the long walk from the trolley station or the greyhound station across the border can I handle the same walk after a tooth extraction and anesthesia what if my purse gets alerted by the drug dogs at the border, it doesn’t have any drugs in it but it’s made of woven hemp what if mom’s worries are really premonitions what if what if what if which one where do I how can I screw the tooth i’m taking a pill and going to bed i can’t take all this shit Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I’m sorry to hear about this Deirdre. You made the best decision though. Don’t beat yourself up over it. You can always re-schedule… — Doug

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I canceled the appointment. Too many questions screaming in my head even with studying the transit system’s maps and so on at their website why can’t i find the phone number listed on the transit system’s website which trolley stop should I go to from home which one has parking at all which one has free parking which one is safe to park in how much would a taxi from home to the trolley station cost which on is on the trolley line i need, i.e. what does "peak period" mean, does it mean peak period only or not when is the peak period — do I want it or not why does the nearest trolley station mean the longest ride with a transfer to another trolley why haven’t i been on a trolley before, are the seats big enough for a fat person, what if I have to stand will the pain be too bad will i be able to find the ticket vending machine will i forget something important why haven’t i been to mexico alone before why is the terror alert elevated can I afford to go greyhound – round trip $20 does it cost to park at the greyhound depot, is there even any parking there can I handle the long walk from the trolley station or the greyhound station across the border can I handle the same walk after a tooth extraction and anesthesia what if my purse gets alerted by the drug dogs at the border, it doesn’t have any drugs in it but it’s made of woven hemp what if mom’s worries are really premonitions what if what if what if which one where do I how can I screw the tooth i’m taking a pill and going to bed i can’t take all this shit Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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its not a failure that you didnt go. that sounds like alot to take on, especially for someone with an anxiety disorder.  please dont beat yourself up over it. russ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I canceled the appointment. Too many questions screaming in my head even with studying the transit system’s maps and so on at their website why can’t i find the phone number listed on the transit system’s website which trolley stop should I go to from home which one has parking at all which one has free parking which one is safe to park in how much would a taxi from home to the trolley station cost which on is on the trolley line i need, i.e. what does "peak period" mean, does it mean peak period only or not when is the peak period — do I want it or not why does the nearest trolley station mean the longest ride with a transfer to another trolley why haven’t i been on a trolley before, are the seats big enough for a fat person, what if I have to stand will the pain be too bad will i be able to find the ticket vending machine will i forget something important why haven’t i been to mexico alone before why is the terror alert elevated can I afford to go greyhound – round trip $20 does it cost to park at the greyhound depot, is there even any parking there can I handle the long walk from the trolley station or the greyhound station across the border can I handle the same walk after a tooth extraction and anesthesia what if my purse gets alerted by the drug dogs at the border, it doesn’t have any drugs in it but it’s made of woven hemp what if mom’s worries are really premonitions what if what if what if which one where do I how can I screw the tooth i’m taking a pill and going to bed i can’t take all this shit Deirdre Sigh, I can relate.  You still need the toot out, though, and you can’t afford American prices.  Sheesh, who can?  My tumors are coming back because I can’t pay for radiation. Chin up, sweetie.  If you’re not in immediate pain right now, then fine, but you’re going to have to come to grips with it at some point.  I wish I was there to hold your hand with you and help you through this. {{{{{{ Deirdre }}}}}}} kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I canceled the appointment. Too many questions screaming in my head even with studying the transit system’s maps and so on at their website why can’t i find the phone number listed on the transit system’s website which trolley stop should I go to from home which one has parking at all which one has free parking which one is safe to park in how much would a taxi from home to the trolley station cost which on is on the trolley line i need, i.e. what does "peak period" mean, does it mean peak period only or not when is the peak period — do I want it or not why does the nearest trolley station mean the longest ride with a transfer to another trolley why haven’t i been on a trolley before, are the seats big enough for a fat person, what if I have to stand will the pain be too bad will i be able to find the ticket vending machine will i forget something important why haven’t i been to mexico alone before why is the terror alert elevated can I afford to go greyhound – round trip $20 does it cost to park at the greyhound depot, is there even any parking there can I handle the long walk from the trolley station or the greyhound station across the border can I handle the same walk after a tooth extraction and anesthesia what if my purse gets alerted by the drug dogs at the border, it doesn’t have any drugs in it but it’s made of woven hemp what if mom’s worries are really premonitions what if what if what if which one where do I how can I screw the tooth i’m taking a pill and going to bed i can’t take all this shit Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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HOW LONG DOES PANIC/ANXIETY LAST – TX TO ALL THOSE WHO REPLIED

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Hi Thanx to all those who replied!  Seems like we are all in this together and maybe forever! Ah can’t wait for the day when the anxiety disappears again.  It was so great the year before last when I was panic/anxiety free, drug free and thought I had overcome this problem for good. If only my Klonopin would work like it used to or I could find new meds that do the trick life would be great.  It would also be nice to make some real life friends who suffer from the same thing as none of my friends do and I have been withdrawing from socialising and going out which my friends don’t understand as I used to be outgoing entertaining one of the lot.  It would be nice to get together with people for tea or talks who also suffer from anxiety – why can’t I find anyone else with the same problem? Anyways this group is great and I honestly don’t know what I would do without it! Tx Kim — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Thanx to all those who replied!  Seems like we are all in this together and maybe forever!

Nothing is forever except maybe death, and there are many who agree it is not finite Ah can’t wait for the day when the anxiety disappears again.  It was so great the year before last when I was panic/anxiety free, drug free and thought I had overcome this problem for good. If only my Klonopin would work like it used to

why not have your dose increased-dose adjustments are not medication failures or tolerance, they are just adjustments  or I could find new meds that do the trick life would be great

 .  It would also be nice to make some real life friends who suffer from the same thing as none of my friends do and I have been withdrawing from socialising and going out which my friends don’t understand as I used to be outgoing entertaining one of the lot.

having a disability changes ones life for sure, but those who like you, relate to you and befriend you are friends under almost any conditions. I have found that those who give up relationships with others who have an anxiety disorder or avoidance problems are only fair weather friends, who needs em.   It would be nice to get together with people for tea or talks who also suffer from anxiety – why can’t I find anyone else with the same problem?

they are out there-look for self help groups through hospitals, churches, public school systems-anywhere you find self help support group type classes-or better yet, run an ad in the newspaper and make your own group Anyways this group is great and I honestly don’t know what I would do without it! Tx Kim

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Hi Kim: Yep yep I agree with margrove.  I hunted for quite some time until I found a group for anxiety/panic disorder.  I really enjoyed the interactions within the group and I learned a lot and have a live long friend because of my going. It is difficult to keep some so-called friends after you tell them you have a mental illness but those are the "friends" not worth keeping because they won’t support you.  You’d be amazed at home many people suffer in silence with these conditions and how happy they are to discuss it once you open up. Good luck with the meds too.  I know that some antidepressants have a way becoming no longer effective.  Its good to let your pdoc know exactly how you are feeling and what your thots are about your meds. -frizz (wishing you the best) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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WHERE IS PHILIP????

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Dawn schreef: Meryl schreef: Dear Diana, He has been on vacation with his family. love Meryl And now we’re back! Thanks, Meryl. And Diana, *here I am* (ook bereikbaar per iemeel & telefoon). Philip Norm!  Oh–I mean, Philip!  Ok, not many will get that but I had to do it .

No normies here… P. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Lovely. I was in Tuscany (Italy). Saw a lot of great art, beautiful landscapes, wonderful villages and ….er…Italian food. I had hardly any anxiety. Philip

Wow! Sounds great! Maybe a bunch of us should organize an anxiety commune there? Welcome back. Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dawn schreef: Meryl schreef: Dear Diana, So glad you’re back.  How was your vacation? Love, Dawn Lovely. I was in Tuscany (Italy). Saw a lot of great art, beautiful landscapes, wonderful villages and ….er…Italian food. I had hardly any anxiety. Philip

I am so jealous!  I would love to go to Tuscany; if not for the art and architecture, for the food! kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Lovely. I was in Tuscany (Italy). Saw a lot of great art, beautiful landscapes, wonderful villages and ….er…Italian food. I had hardly any anxiety. Philip Wow! Sounds great!

It is. You would *love* it there. Maybe a bunch of us should organize an anxiety commune there?

Fine. That’s decided then. Welcome back.

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Maybe a bunch of us should organize an anxiety commune there? Fine. That’s decided then.

Okay! Let’s start considering plans! Do you think Plato’s vision of Atlantis is too ambitious, or should we think smaller, like Nero’s vast Roman bath? When it comes to great spa design, I can think of no better people than fellow anxiety disorder folks. Very Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::smaller, like Nero’s vast Roman bath? Or, you could use my pond? Would save me a trip to Italy ~ Jackie ~*~Nature made us individuals, as she did the flowers and the pebbles; but we are afraid to be peculiar, and so our society resembles a bag of marbles, or a string of mold candles. Why should we all dress after the same fashion? The frost never paints my windows twice alike~*~     ~~ Lydia Maria Child — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I’m so glad you had a great time, Philip. It sounds like it was absolutely lovely. Italian food….mmmmmm! Love, Dawn — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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My dear famuly; WHERE IS PHILIP????? i don;t know where he is. Why did he left this NG Don’t he know that we mis him Love Diana — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Dear Diana, He has been on vacation with his family. love Meryl My dear famuly; WHERE IS PHILIP????? i don;t know where he is. Why did he left this NG Don’t he know that we mis him Love Diana

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Meryl schreef: Dear Diana, He has been on vacation with his family. love Meryl

And now we’re back! Thanks, Meryl. And Diana, *here I am* (ook bereikbaar per iemeel & telefoon). Philip My dear famuly; WHERE IS PHILIP????? i don;t know where he is. Why did he left this NG Don’t he know that we mis him Love Diana

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Meryl schreef: Dear Diana, He has been on vacation with his family. love Meryl And now we’re back! Thanks, Meryl. And Diana, *here I am* (ook bereikbaar per iemeel & telefoon). Philip

Norm!  Oh–I mean, Philip!  Ok, not many will get that but I had to do it . So glad you’re back.  How was your vacation? Love, Dawn — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Dawn schreef: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Meryl schreef: Dear Diana, He has been on vacation with his family. love Meryl And now we’re back! Thanks, Meryl. And Diana, *here I am* (ook bereikbaar per iemeel & telefoon). Philip Norm!  Oh–I mean, Philip!  Ok, not many will get that but I had to do it . So glad you’re back.  How was your vacation? Love, Dawn

Lovely. I was in Tuscany (Italy). Saw a lot of great art, beautiful landscapes, wonderful villages and ….er…Italian food. I had hardly any anxiety. Philip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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