Question about the real you
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Is what you feel deep down inside of a higher order of reality and truth about yourself than what you think? Why? Chip
How would we know if we did? Tono
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Hi, Chip and Doug, I also wasn’t quite sure of what chip was asking here. Please elaborate… smiles, Elise
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is what you feel deep down inside of a higher order of reality and truth about yourself than what you think? Why? Chip Chip, This is a little embarrassing for me to admit, but I don’t understand what you’re asking. Doug
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Hi, Chip and Doug, I also wasn’t quite sure of what chip was asking here. Please elaborate… smiles, Elise
I sorta got it when I was having my tea, and then I lost it when I thought about it some more. it’s not an easy question to answer in the first person.
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Is what you feel deep down inside of a higher order of reality and truth about yourself than what you think? Why? Chip Chip, This is a little embarrassing for me to admit, but I don’t understand what you’re asking. Doug
OK. I’ll put it differently. We’ve always been told and read how important it is to get in touch with our feelings. Very infrequently if at all does anyone say get in touch with your thoughts. This seems to put feelings in a position elevated above one’s thoughts. It seems to imply that feelings are on a higher order of importance and truth than our thoughs. The new, updated, and revised question is: Is getting in touch with our feelings more important than getting in touch with our thoughts? Why? Chip
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Doug–sure glad you said it first! I think it’s too deep for me : ). Dawn
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is what you feel deep down inside of a higher order of reality and truth about yourself than what you think? Why? Chip Chip, This is a little embarrassing for me to admit, but I don’t understand what you’re asking. Doug
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To lose sight of either one.. thoughts or feelings is scary in itself. I have been from one end of the spectrum to the other. Being so scared… fearing fear.. I think that is both thoughts and feelings. Being numb, not caring what happens.. not being able to feel emotion is scary as well. As I spoke to my friend about feeling numb.. not caring… I was also telling him that not being able to "feel" was very bothersome and I didnt like it at all. On the other side of the spectrum, we lose control of our thoughts. To lose feeling is uncomfortable.. to lose thought control is insanity! We cant have one without the other. They are both equally important to me.. and IMO if we dont have one, we cant have both… not in a real sense. If I were made to choose which one I would rather do without… I would forgo feeling before thoughts….. Stacy
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OK. I’ll put it differently. We’ve always been told and read how important it is to get in touch with our feelings. Very infrequently if at all does anyone say get in touch with your thoughts. This seems to put feelings in a position elevated above one’s thoughts. It seems to imply that feelings are on a higher order of importance and truth than our thoughs. The new, updated, and revised question is: Is getting in touch with our feelings more important than getting in touch with our thoughts? Why? Chip
I am also confused by what you are asking, because I feel there is a difference between surface feelings (and thoughts), …and feelings and thoughts guided by deep inner self. In order to separate my deep thoughts and feelings from the emotional shallow ones, I seek out quiet time and tap my intuition. Sometimes the answers I find are not the one I was expecting to get. Most of us have the ability to do this, but seldom quiet our surface thoughts enough to discover how wise and reasonable we really are. When we do, amazing and unique answers come to the surface. If you are asking if we have inner wisdom that is of higher quality than everyday thinking, then I would say yes. Here is an example. We are trying to solve a problem and the answers just aren’t coming. We take a time out…maybe sleep on it…and the solution comes into our thoughts the next day. By not interupting our inner wisdom with a bunch of surface thinking, the quality answers can rise from within us. Take care, Liz
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oops, Chip, I replied to your first question before reading the rest. Sorry if I answered wrong…. Rita
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, I believe so, but my problem is I don’t always trust that reality. Why? Because I was always told as a child into adulthood that I had "bad blood" and was no good. I felt deep down inside they were wrong about me, but believed them instead of myself because I felt they must know better than me. After years of therapy and many 12 Step meetings and years in ASAP, I know the deep down truth about myself is real. So the two have finally merged into one whole person, thank God! I now know that just because I may make a mistake doesn’t mean I *am* a mistake. I no longer feel different, odd, or that I don’t belong. xxoo Rita Is what you feel deep down inside of a higher order of reality and truth about yourself than what you think? Why? Chip
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Yes, I believe so, but my problem is I don’t always trust that reality. Why? Because I was always told as a child into adulthood that I had "bad blood" and was no good. I felt deep down inside they were wrong about me, but believed them instead of myself because I felt they must know better than me. After years of therapy and many 12 Step meetings and years in ASAP, I know the deep down truth about myself is real. So the two have finally merged into one whole person, thank God! I now know that just because I may make a mistake doesn’t mean I *am* a mistake. I no longer feel different, odd, or that I don’t belong. xxoo Rita
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yes…….I think the same …..feelings affect thoughts……thoughts affect feelings..etc..it can be hard to separate the two! I think it’s important to be in touch with both your feelings and thoughts. They seem to work simultaneously often. Yes. Usually what I feel affects my thought process and my thoughts in turn affect my feelings. Yes. Digging deep down you are able to sort them out and see them differently. I don’t think you have to dig deep. Just pay attention to the thoughts which make you feel bad as they arise. Then challange and dispute them with healthier thoughts. (It’s called CBT) My thoughts can be fleeting I have hundreds to thousands of thoughts a day. One follows the other. I first became aware of this when I meditated. It’s difficult to stay with one thought, since it wants to lead to another, and all thoughts have the capacity to affect whether I feel good or bad. but it seems my feelings are persistent, whether good or bad… The bad feelings can be changed by looking at the thoughts which cause them, disputing them, and substituting healthier thoughts. Feelings can’t be changed by just deciding you want to change them. You have to become aware of the thoughts causing or reenforcing the feelings and then change the thoughts to healthier more rational ones. smiles, Elise You understood the question! 
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"You understood the question! " that sounds like I got an A+…lol! smiles, Elise
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think it’s important to be in touch with both your feelings and thoughts. They seem to work simultaneously often. Yes. Usually what I feel affects my thought process and my thoughts in turn affect my feelings. Yes. Digging deep down you are able to sort them out and see them differently. I don’t think you have to dig deep. Just pay attention to the thoughts which make you feel bad as they arise. Then challange and dispute them with healthier thoughts. (It’s called CBT) My thoughts can be fleeting I have hundreds to thousands of thoughts a day. One follows the other. I first became aware of this when I meditated. It’s difficult to stay with one thought, since it wants to lead to another, and all thoughts have the capacity to affect whether I feel good or bad. but it seems my feelings are persistent, whether good or bad… The bad feelings can be changed by looking at the thoughts which cause them, disputing them, and substituting healthier thoughts. Feelings can’t be changed by just deciding you want to change them. You have to become aware of the thoughts causing or reenforcing the feelings and then change the thoughts to healthier more rational ones. smiles, Elise You understood the question! Chip
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Yes, I believe so, but my problem is I don’t always trust that reality. Why? Because I was always told as a child into adulthood that I had "bad blood" and was no good. I felt deep down inside they were wrong about
me, I think you *thought* they were wrong about you. And they were. but believed them instead of myself because I felt they must know better than me. After years of therapy and many 12 Step meetings and years in ASAP, I know the deep down truth about myself is real. So the two have finally merged into one whole person, thank God! I now know that just because I may make a mistake doesn’t mean I *am* a mistake. I no longer feel different, odd, or that I don’t belong.
That sounds like you are using healthy constructive *thoughts* to change the negative feelings you had about yourself. xxoo Rita
Chip
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I am also confused by what you are asking, because I feel there is a difference between surface feelings (and thoughts), …and feelings and thoughts guided by deep inner self. Liz
Hi Liz, Maybe you can get an idea what I’m asking by looking at my replies to some other people. Chip
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I think it’s important to be in touch with both your feelings and thoughts. They seem to work simultaneously often.
Yes. Usually what I feel affects my thought process and my thoughts in turn affect my feelings.
Yes. Digging deep down you are able to sort them out and see them differently.
I don’t think you have to dig deep. Just pay attention to the thoughts which make you feel bad as they arise. Then challange and dispute them with healthier thoughts. (It’s called CBT) My thoughts can be fleeting
I have hundreds to thousands of thoughts a day. One follows the other. I first became aware of this when I meditated. It’s difficult to stay with one thought, since it wants to lead to another, and all thoughts have the capacity to affect whether I feel good or bad. but it seems my feelings are persistent, whether good or bad…
The bad feelings can be changed by looking at the thoughts which cause them, disputing them, and substituting healthier thoughts. Feelings can’t be changed by just deciding you want to change them. You have to become aware of the thoughts causing or reenforcing the feelings and then change the thoughts to healthier more rational ones. smiles, Elise
You understood the question! Chip
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK. I’ll put it differently. We’ve always been told and read how important it is to get in touch with our feelings. Very infrequently if at all does anyone say get in touch with your thoughts. This seems to put feelings in a position elevated above one’s thoughts. It seems to imply that feelings are on a higher order of importance and truth than our thoughs. The new, updated, and revised question is: Is getting in touch with our feelings more important than getting in touch with our thoughts? Why? Hi Chip Ask this question in alt.philosophy and you’ll have replies that will take you one week on non-stop reading to go thru them.
I’m not interested in philosophy. I’m interested in changing destructive self-defeating thoughts to healthier ones. Feelings Vs Thoughts: There are differences of course. IMO thoughts are more controllable than feelings.
Yes. You can change your thoughts. You cannot directly change your feelings. You can indirectly change feelings by changing the way you think about the events in your life. Although feelings are the fruits of thoughts that we’ve been thinking over the years, but it is also much more: the results of subsconscious thoughts.
I’ve never heard of a subconscious thought. What are they? I can say with confidence that i am more in touch with my conscious thoughts than with my feelings.
I probably have thousands of fleeting thoughts each day, one rapidly leading to the other, and each capable of affecting how I feel. Since feelings are more persistant than thoughts, I would say I’m more in touch with my feelings than my thoughts. A person with an anxiety disorder is usually in touch with his feelings of fear and depression. But less in touch with the thoughts that give rise to these feelings. I cannot assess my feelings 99 percent of the time, as for my thoughts I have a definite knowledge of what they are and when they change I can very securely keep track of them. I hope i answered right.
You understood the question. There’s no right answer, only opinions. Chip
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OK. I’ll put it differently. We’ve always been told and read how important it is to get in touch with our feelings. Very infrequently if at all does anyone say get in touch with your thoughts. This seems to put feelings in a position elevated above one’s thoughts. It seems to imply that feelings are on a higher order of importance and truth than our thoughs. The new, updated, and revised question is: Is getting in touch with our feelings more important than getting in touch with our thoughts? Why?
Hi Chip Ask this question in alt.philosophy and you’ll have replies that will take you one week on non-stop reading to go thru them. Feelings Vs Thoughts: There are differences of course. IMO thoughts are more controllable than feelings. Although feelings are the fruits of thoughts that we’ve been thinking over the years, but it is also much more: the results of subsconscious thoughts. I can say with confidence that i am more in touch with my conscious thoughts than with my feelings. I cannot assess my feelings 99 percent of the time, as for my thoughts I have a definite knowledge of what they are and when they change I can very securely keep track of them. I hope i answered right.
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I think it’s important to be in touch with both your feelings and thoughts. They seem to work simultaneously often. Usually what I feel affects my thought process and my thoughts in turn affect my feelings. Digging deep down you are able to sort them out and see them differently. My thoughts can be fleeting but it seems my feelings are persistent, whether good or bad… smiles, Elise
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is what you feel deep down inside of a higher order of reality and truth about yourself than what you think? Why? Chip Chip, This is a little embarrassing for me to admit, but I don’t understand what you’re asking. Doug OK. I’ll put it differently. We’ve always been told and read how important it is to get in touch with our feelings. Very infrequently if at all does anyone say get in touch with your thoughts. This seems to put feelings in a position elevated above one’s thoughts. It seems to imply that feelings are on a higher order of importance and truth than our thoughs. The new, updated, and revised question is: Is getting in touch with our feelings more important than getting in touch with our thoughts? Why? Chip
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I think I feel this question is way bigger than I can answer. ) Sharon V
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Is what you feel deep down inside of a higher order of reality and truth about yourself than what you think? Why? Chip
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