SP – Cause?
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: : Hmm, so ants, bees, and termites also experience SP? : Maybe. They have a quite compex social life. I think that our human social rules are not so complex as we SPers imagine. Of course, more the animal is simple, less complex life it have. Davide
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Hi shirleb, to me the answer is simple, because all you brothers and you have been grown by the same mom. And there’s no doubt the the first days of life are social interactions with the mom. So, I am afraid the first thing she tought you was SP. DAvide shirleb <shir…@swbell.net> wrote in message
rGN75.120$m36.41…@nnrp1.sbc.net… : I tend to believe it is a result of both genetic and conditioning, however, : why would one sibling in three escape SP given the same circumstances and : parents? : Guess I’m looking for a simple answer to a complicated question. If it is : physiological, one would assume that meds (evenutally) would offer a cure. : A thought, now that they have mapped DNA, maybe they can locate the social : diorder one and it can be snipped out! LOL : : "Dounia" <dou…@mail.com> wrote in message
: news:8jnlkn$rk4$1@nnrp1.deja.com… : : For me, it’s clearly genetic : But I agree with Pam…I believe it is a mix : : of both genetic factors and environment in varying degrees for everyone : : after hearing about the childhood of some here. : : : : In : : > the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. : : > What are your thoughts on this subject? : : > Thanks : : > Shirleb : : > : : > : : : : : : Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ : : Before you buy. : : : :
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>From: "Davide" <dado…@hotmail.com> >Ok, so what is the social position or social competence of black people ? >Or of blonde people ? >They’re all genetic diffeerences. >Why there should be such things for a SPic ? >I think many of you haven’t still realized the only one rule of Nature: >CHAOS. >I’ll be thankful if you could give me an answer. >Davide
Nature tries to make order out of chaos but often fails. Nature isn’t harmonious, there are ice ages, viruses like AIDS, etc. I agree more with your view, Davide Grachman, The
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My 1^ thought is that you’re lucky to have a friend you can discuss about SP ! Wasn’t you feeling embarassed ? Davide shirleb <shir…@swbell.net> wrote in message
u4H75.399$g54.168…@nnrp2.sbc.net… : I was discussing SP’s with a friend and the question was raised about what : the cause was. I have no clue, therefore, I thought about asking the ng : members. Is it genetic, or are we predisposed genetically? In other words, : could there be a physiological cause? Is it the result of enviromental or : social conditioning? I have thought about my family. I don’t recall my : grandparents having any social problems, yet, I believe my parents do. In : the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. : What are your thoughts on this subject? : Thanks : Shirleb : :
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Ok, so what is the social position or social competence of black people ? Or of blonde people ? They’re all genetic diffeerences. Why there should be such things for a SPic ? I think many of you haven’t still realized the only one rule of Nature: CHAOS. I’ll be thankful if you could give me an answer. Davide Nickf <nichol…@eurobell.co.uk> wrote in message
8jo19u$n9…@slrn.eurobell.net… : : Dounia <dou…@mail.com> wrote in message
: news:8jnlkn$rk4$1@nnrp1.deja.com… : > For me, it’s clearly genetic. My mom is outgoing, dad is shy. I’ve : > also been like this all my life. When I was a baby, according to my : > parents, I cried whenever anyone approached me other than my mother. : > Hanging onto my mother’s leg and all that. Never teased and no trauma : > or anything in my past. But I agree with Pam…I believe it is a mix : > of both genetic factors and environment in varying degrees for everyone : > after hearing about the childhood of some here. : : : The basic neurophysiology underlying all mental conditions is the same. : It is a function of our individual socio-dynamic neurophysiologies, designed : to enable social animals to live efficiently in hierarchical society. : Its precipitate form, whether OCD,SP,ADD,schizophrenia or whatever the : attached label, should not disguise the fact that it has a single ’cause’. : In neurological terms, this is soft-wired (neurochemical) but its : fundamental purpose is that of differentiating social competence across the : population. : Social competence correlating directly with social rank or hierarchical : status. : We can point to any number of life events as being causal, but in reality : there are no discrete external causes, only an innate socio-competence : specific to the individual. : : Nickf : : : : : : : : : > : > In article <u4H75.399$g54.168…@nnrp2.sbc.net>, : > "shirleb" <shir…@swbell.net> wrote: : > > I was discussing SP’s with a friend and the question was raised about : > what : > > the cause was. I have no clue, therefore, I thought about asking the : > ng : > > members. Is it genetic, or are we predisposed genetically? In other : > words, : > > could there be a physiological cause? Is it the result of : > enviromental or : > > social conditioning? I have thought about my family. I don’t recall : > my : > > grandparents having any social problems, yet, I believe my parents : > do. In : > > the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. : > > What are your thoughts on this subject? : > > Thanks : > > Shirleb : > > : > > : > : > : > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ : > Before you buy. : :
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"shirleb" <shir…@swbell.net> wrote: >I was discussing SP’s with a friend and the question was raised about what >the cause was. I have no clue, therefore, I thought about asking the ng >members. Is it genetic, or are we predisposed genetically? In other words, >could there be a physiological cause? Is it the result of enviromental or >social conditioning? I have thought about my family. I don’t recall my >grandparents having any social problems, yet, I believe my parents do. In >the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. >What are your thoughts on this subject? >Thanks >Shirleb
My hunch is it’s predisposed to a certain extent and that nurture brings it on. Possibly under the right/wrong circumstances anybody could become SP. I’ve heard also that it’s natural for nearly all children go through a ’shy stage’ and it may be that some for whatever reason don’t grow out of it. Jake
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"shirleb" <shir…@swbell.net> wrote: >I tend to believe it is a result of both genetic and conditioning, however, >why would one sibling in three escape SP given the same circumstances and >parents? >Guess I’m looking for a simple answer to a complicated question. If it is >physiological, one would assume that meds (evenutally) would offer a cure. >A thought, now that they have mapped DNA, maybe they can locate the social >diorder one and it can be snipped out! LOL
If there is a definite genetic flaw then Gene Therapy will more than likely be able to rectify it. Jake – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"Dounia" <dou…@mail.com> wrote in message >news:8jnlkn$rk4$1@nnrp1.deja.com… >: For me, it’s clearly genetic >But I agree with Pam…I believe it is a mix >: of both genetic factors and environment in varying degrees for everyone >: after hearing about the childhood of some here. >: >: In >: > the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. >: > What are your thoughts on this subject? >: > Thanks >: > Shirleb >: > >: > >: >: >: Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >: Before you buy. >:
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In article <rGN75.120$m36.41…@nnrp1.sbc.net>, "shirleb" <shir…@swbell.net> wrote: > I tend to believe it is a result of both genetic and conditioning, however, > why would one sibling in three escape SP given the same circumstances and > parents?
siblings only have the same genes if they are twins. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Guess I’m looking for a simple answer to a complicated question. If it is > physiological, one would assume that meds (evenutally) would offer a cure. > A thought, now that they have mapped DNA, maybe they can locate the social > diorder one and it can be snipped out! LOL > "Dounia" <dou…@mail.com> wrote in message > news:8jnlkn$rk4$1@nnrp1.deja.com… > : For me, it’s clearly genetic > But I agree with Pam…I believe it is a mix > : of both genetic factors and environment in varying degrees for everyone > : after hearing about the childhood of some here. > : > : In > : > the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. > : > What are your thoughts on this subject? > : > Thanks > : > Shirleb > : > > : > > : > : > : Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > : Before you buy. > :
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identical Twins that is ! :=) Otherwise Strike! In article <8joncg$ht…@nnrp1.deja.com>, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - cliff…@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <rGN75.120$m36.41…@nnrp1.sbc.net>, > "shirleb" <shir…@swbell.net> wrote: > > I tend to believe it is a result of both genetic and conditioning, > however, > > why would one sibling in three escape SP given the same circumstances > and > > parents? > siblings only have the same genes if they are twins. > > Guess I’m looking for a simple answer to a complicated question. If > it is > > physiological, one would assume that meds (evenutally) would offer a > cure. > > A thought, now that they have mapped DNA, maybe they can locate the > social > > diorder one and it can be snipped out! LOL > > "Dounia" <dou…@mail.com> wrote in message > > news:8jnlkn$rk4$1@nnrp1.deja.com… > > : For me, it’s clearly genetic > > But I agree with Pam…I believe it is a mix > > : of both genetic factors and environment in varying degrees for > everyone > > : after hearing about the childhood of some here. > > : > > : In > > : > the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. > > : > What are your thoughts on this subject? > > : > Thanks > > : > Shirleb > > : > > > : > > > : > > : > > : Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > : Before you buy. > > : > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.
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I think its very possible for it to be genetically and randomly passed down by a greater ancestor.
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Nickf <nichol…@eurobell.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8jpr08$q01$1@slrn.eurobell.net… > > > The basic neurophysiology underlying all mental conditions is the same. > > > It is a function of our individual socio-dynamic neurophysiologies, > > designed > > > to enable social animals to live efficiently in hierarchical society. > > Hmm, so ants, bees, and termites also experience SP? > For SP you require intellect. > For intellect you require a brain, rather than a cerebral ganglion.
So, can we include herd animals, such as elephants, whales, sheep, etc? > > > Social competence correlating directly with social rank or hierarchical > > > status. > > Does this mean that the infant of a poor, "low-ranked" woman, if adopted > by > > a wealthy, "high-ranked" couple would have better social competence, or > > would they revert to their birth status? > Economic and political status are at a remove from natural status.
Good to hear it. How do you detect high ranked individuals? -ajiko
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ajiko <aj…@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:M0385.107$D3.8117@typhoon.sonic.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Nickf <nichol…@eurobell.co.uk> wrote in message > news:8jpr08$q01$1@slrn.eurobell.net… > > > > The basic neurophysiology underlying all mental conditions is the > same. > > > > It is a function of our individual socio-dynamic neurophysiologies, > > > designed > > > > to enable social animals to live efficiently in hierarchical society. > > > Hmm, so ants, bees, and termites also experience SP? > > For SP you require intellect. > > For intellect you require a brain, rather than a cerebral ganglion. > So, can we include herd animals, such as elephants, whales, sheep, etc?
Indeed, all mammals are capable of exhibiting clinically depressive behaviour. Loss of vitality, appetites, social withdrawal, etc. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > Social competence correlating directly with social rank or > hierarchical > > > > status. > > > Does this mean that the infant of a poor, "low-ranked" woman, if adopted > > by > > > a wealthy, "high-ranked" couple would have better social competence, or > > > would they revert to their birth status? > > Economic and political status are at a remove from natural status. > Good to hear it. How do you detect high ranked individuals?
They’ll be the people you find likeable and/or impressive. They will have popularity and respect. And generally, financial security. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> -ajiko
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<cliff…@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8jo745$7a5$1@nnrp1.deja.com… > > Hmm, so ants, bees, and termites also experience SP? > he said social animals , not social insects.
He didn’t say mammals, however. Insects are animals, last time I checked. > > Does this mean that the infant of a poor, "low-ranked" woman, if > adopted by > > a wealthy, "high-ranked" couple would have better social competence, > or > > would they revert to their birth status? > the adopted child would do better with the high-ranked parents. > several studies have proved this. why on earth do you think i > took the extraordinary step of urging your to put your child up for > adoption?
Because you are insane? And a troublemaker? Who cares why you say the things you do? You try to say things about my son – but if you knew him, you would probably be quite impressed with his level of intelligience. (And he says he got it from me, he’s so cute!) In fourth grade, he was doing 8th grade level math. Anyway, that’s why when you say off the wall things about him it doesn’t matter – because you don’t know what you’re talking about. > > What about those that are considered of high social rank and > hierarchical > > status? If they experience SP or other mental disorders – what does > this > > say about them? > there is a much lower rate of schizophrenia and other mental illnesses > amongst the offspring of elites of our society.
I’m sure this is debatable – I would venture to say that the reverse is true. The elite have more time on their hands to worry about such things, and more money to go out seeking help. And what does owning a computer and the time to spend on newsgroups say about us? Obviously we’re not the "working poor."
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news:8joauj$9pk$1@nnrp1.deja.com… : Hi : : In article <rGN75.120$m36.41…@nnrp1.sbc.net>, : "shirleb" <shir…@swbell.net> wrote: : > I tend to believe it is a result of both genetic and conditioning, : however, : > why would one sibling in three escape SP given the same circumstances : and : > parents? : : That would not be a problem for a genetic cause… : The circumstances and environment were basically the same. The escapee was the middle child BTW. : > Guess I’m looking for a simple answer to a complicated question. If : it is : > physiological, one would assume that meds (evenutally) would offer a : cure. : : : If it is genetic only one would always have to take meds in order to : supply the deficiency that causes the problem . : : > A thought, now that they have mapped DNA, maybe they can locate the : social : > diorder one and it can be snipped out! LOL : : Good for future generations…but we would still be stuck would we : not?..:=) : True. Guess that leaves me a day late again. sigh : > : > "Dounia" <dou…@mail.com> wrote in message : > news:8jnlkn$rk4$1@nnrp1.deja.com… : > : For me, it’s clearly genetic : > But I agree with Pam…I believe it is a mix : > : of both genetic factors and environment in varying degrees for : everyone : > : after hearing about the childhood of some here. : > : : > : In : > : > the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. : > : > What are your thoughts on this subject? : > : > Thanks : > : > Shirleb : > : > : > : > : > : : > : : > : Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ : > : Before you buy. : > : : > : > : : — : http://www.universalscience.com : : I am getting Paid to surf — NO SOFTWARE TO DOWNLOAD — : International clients ok , free e-mail , free webpage , : : : Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ : Before you buy. :
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ajiko <aj…@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:HEM75.27$D3.2038@typhoon.sonic.net… > Nickf <nichol…@eurobell.co.uk> wrote in message > news:8jo19u$n9b$1@slrn.eurobell.net… > > The basic neurophysiology underlying all mental conditions is the same. > > It is a function of our individual socio-dynamic neurophysiologies, > designed > > to enable social animals to live efficiently in hierarchical society. > Hmm, so ants, bees, and termites also experience SP?
For SP you require intellect. For intellect you require a brain, rather than a cerebral ganglion. > > Its precipitate form, whether OCD,SP,ADD,schizophrenia or whatever the > > attached label, should not disguise the fact that it has a single ’cause’. > > In neurological terms, this is soft-wired (neurochemical) but its > > fundamental purpose is that of differentiating social competence across > the > > population. > > Social competence correlating directly with social rank or hierarchical > > status. > Does this mean that the infant of a poor, "low-ranked" woman, if adopted by > a wealthy, "high-ranked" couple would have better social competence, or > would they revert to their birth status?
Economic and political status are at a remove from natural status. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What about those that are considered of high social rank and hierarchical > status? If they experience SP or other mental disorders – what does this > say about them? > > We can point to any number of life events as being causal, but in reality > > there are no discrete external causes, only an innate socio-competence > > specific to the individual. > > Nickf > > > In article <u4H75.399$g54.168…@nnrp2.sbc.net>, > > > "shirleb" <shir…@swbell.net> wrote: > > > > I was discussing SP’s with a friend and the question was raised about > > > what > > > > the cause was. I have no clue, therefore, I thought about asking the > > > ng > > > > members. Is it genetic, or are we predisposed genetically? In other > > > words, > > > > could there be a physiological cause? Is it the result of > > > enviromental or > > > > social conditioning? I have thought about my family. I don’t recall > > > my > > > > grandparents having any social problems, yet, I believe my parents > > > do. In > > > > the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. > > > > What are your thoughts on this subject? > > > > Thanks > > > > Shirleb > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy.
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Hi In article <rGN75.120$m36.41…@nnrp1.sbc.net>, "shirleb" <shir…@swbell.net> wrote: > I tend to believe it is a result of both genetic and conditioning, however, > why would one sibling in three escape SP given the same circumstances and > parents?
That would not be a problem for a genetic cause… > Guess I’m looking for a simple answer to a complicated question. If it is > physiological, one would assume that meds (evenutally) would offer a
cure. If it is genetic only one would always have to take meds in order to supply the deficiency that causes the problem . > A thought, now that they have mapped DNA, maybe they can locate the social > diorder one and it can be snipped out! LOL
Good for future generations…but we would still be stuck would we not?..:=) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Dounia" <dou…@mail.com> wrote in message > news:8jnlkn$rk4$1@nnrp1.deja.com… > : For me, it’s clearly genetic > But I agree with Pam…I believe it is a mix > : of both genetic factors and environment in varying degrees for everyone > : after hearing about the childhood of some here. > : > : In > : > the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. > : > What are your thoughts on this subject? > : > Thanks > : > Shirleb > : > > : > > : > : > : Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > : Before you buy. > :
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I was discussing SP’s with a friend and the question was raised about what the cause was. I have no clue, therefore, I thought about asking the ng members. Is it genetic, or are we predisposed genetically? In other words, could there be a physiological cause? Is it the result of enviromental or social conditioning? I have thought about my family. I don’t recall my grandparents having any social problems, yet, I believe my parents do. In the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. What are your thoughts on this subject? Thanks Shirleb
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>From: "shirleb" shir…@swbell.net >I was discussing SP’s with a friend and the question was raised about what >the cause was. I have no clue, therefore, I thought about asking the ng >members. Is it genetic, or are we predisposed genetically? In other words, >could there be a physiological cause? Is it the result of enviromental or >social conditioning? I have thought about my family. I don’t recall my >grandparents having any social problems, yet, I believe my parents do. In >the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. >What are your thoughts on this subject? >Thanks >Shirleb
I used to think it was stictly genetic, but after reading about how other’s SP have hit them, I think now that could be a combination of nature and nuture. I ‘ve been SP since I was very little. But I’ve learned here that it hits others in their 20’s. My siblings each have some form of anxiety disorder. one sis has Panic Disorder, another is OCD and my brother is ADD,OCD. None of them is SP. I don’t think my mom has any anxiety disorder, my dad (recovering alcoholic) was a high level executive. Didn’t grow up around our extended family, so I don’t know about them. Pam
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For me, it’s clearly genetic. My mom is outgoing, dad is shy. I’ve also been like this all my life. When I was a baby, according to my parents, I cried whenever anyone approached me other than my mother. Hanging onto my mother’s leg and all that. Never teased and no trauma or anything in my past. But I agree with Pam…I believe it is a mix of both genetic factors and environment in varying degrees for everyone after hearing about the childhood of some here. In article <u4H75.399$g54.168…@nnrp2.sbc.net>, "shirleb" <shir…@swbell.net> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was discussing SP’s with a friend and the question was raised about what > the cause was. I have no clue, therefore, I thought about asking the ng > members. Is it genetic, or are we predisposed genetically? In other words, > could there be a physiological cause? Is it the result of enviromental or > social conditioning? I have thought about my family. I don’t recall my > grandparents having any social problems, yet, I believe my parents do. In > the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. > What are your thoughts on this subject? > Thanks > Shirleb
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Dounia <dou…@mail.com> wrote in message
news:8jnlkn$rk4$1@nnrp1.deja.com… > For me, it’s clearly genetic. My mom is outgoing, dad is shy. I’ve > also been like this all my life. When I was a baby, according to my > parents, I cried whenever anyone approached me other than my mother. > Hanging onto my mother’s leg and all that. Never teased and no trauma > or anything in my past. But I agree with Pam…I believe it is a mix > of both genetic factors and environment in varying degrees for everyone > after hearing about the childhood of some here.
The basic neurophysiology underlying all mental conditions is the same. It is a function of our individual socio-dynamic neurophysiologies, designed to enable social animals to live efficiently in hierarchical society. Its precipitate form, whether OCD,SP,ADD,schizophrenia or whatever the attached label, should not disguise the fact that it has a single ’cause’. In neurological terms, this is soft-wired (neurochemical) but its fundamental purpose is that of differentiating social competence across the population. Social competence correlating directly with social rank or hierarchical status. We can point to any number of life events as being causal, but in reality there are no discrete external causes, only an innate socio-competence specific to the individual. Nickf – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <u4H75.399$g54.168…@nnrp2.sbc.net>, > "shirleb" <shir…@swbell.net> wrote: > > I was discussing SP’s with a friend and the question was raised about > what > > the cause was. I have no clue, therefore, I thought about asking the > ng > > members. Is it genetic, or are we predisposed genetically? In other > words, > > could there be a physiological cause? Is it the result of > enviromental or > > social conditioning? I have thought about my family. I don’t recall > my > > grandparents having any social problems, yet, I believe my parents > do. In > > the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. > > What are your thoughts on this subject? > > Thanks > > Shirleb > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.
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In article <8jo19u$n9…@slrn.eurobell.net>, "Nickf" <nichol…@eurobell.co.uk> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dounia <dou…@mail.com> wrote in message > news:8jnlkn$rk4$1@nnrp1.deja.com… > > For me, it’s clearly genetic. My mom is outgoing, dad is shy. I’ve > > also been like this all my life. When I was a baby, according to my > > parents, I cried whenever anyone approached me other than my mother. > > Hanging onto my mother’s leg and all that. Never teased and no trauma > > or anything in my past. But I agree with Pam…I believe it is a mix > > of both genetic factors and environment in varying degrees for everyone > > after hearing about the childhood of some here. > The basic neurophysiology underlying all mental conditions is the same. > It is a function of our individual socio-dynamic neurophysiologies, designed > to enable social animals to live efficiently in hierarchical society. > Its precipitate form, whether OCD,SP,ADD,schizophrenia or whatever the > attached label, should not disguise the fact that it has a single ’cause’. > In neurological terms, this is soft-wired (neurochemical) but its > fundamental purpose is that of differentiating social competence across the > population. > Social competence correlating directly with social rank or hierarchical > status. > We can point to any number of life events as being causal, but in reality > there are no discrete external causes, only an innate socio-competence > specific to the individual. > Nickf
yes, our social competencies must be differentiated to allow the social hierarchy to function. sadly, psychiatrists are labouring under the misapprehension that we are all somehow equal. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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Nickf <nichol…@eurobell.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8jo19u$n9b$1@slrn.eurobell.net… > The basic neurophysiology underlying all mental conditions is the same. > It is a function of our individual socio-dynamic neurophysiologies, designed > to enable social animals to live efficiently in hierarchical society.
Hmm, so ants, bees, and termites also experience SP? > Its precipitate form, whether OCD,SP,ADD,schizophrenia or whatever the > attached label, should not disguise the fact that it has a single ’cause’. > In neurological terms, this is soft-wired (neurochemical) but its > fundamental purpose is that of differentiating social competence across the > population. > Social competence correlating directly with social rank or hierarchical > status.
Does this mean that the infant of a poor, "low-ranked" woman, if adopted by a wealthy, "high-ranked" couple would have better social competence, or would they revert to their birth status? What about those that are considered of high social rank and hierarchical status? If they experience SP or other mental disorders – what does this say about them? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We can point to any number of life events as being causal, but in reality > there are no discrete external causes, only an innate socio-competence > specific to the individual. > Nickf > > In article <u4H75.399$g54.168…@nnrp2.sbc.net>, > > "shirleb" <shir…@swbell.net> wrote: > > > I was discussing SP’s with a friend and the question was raised about > > what > > > the cause was. I have no clue, therefore, I thought about asking the > > ng > > > members. Is it genetic, or are we predisposed genetically? In other > > words, > > > could there be a physiological cause? Is it the result of > > enviromental or > > > social conditioning? I have thought about my family. I don’t recall > > my > > > grandparents having any social problems, yet, I believe my parents > > do. In > > > the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. > > > What are your thoughts on this subject? > > > Thanks > > > Shirleb > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.
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In article <HEM75.27$D3.2…@typhoon.sonic.net>, "ajiko" <aj…@sonic.net> wrote: > Nickf <nichol…@eurobell.co.uk> wrote in message > news:8jo19u$n9b$1@slrn.eurobell.net… > > The basic neurophysiology underlying all mental conditions is the same. > > It is a function of our individual socio-dynamic neurophysiologies, > designed > > to enable social animals to live efficiently in hierarchical society. > Hmm, so ants, bees, and termites also experience SP?
he said social animals , not social insects. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Its precipitate form, whether OCD,SP,ADD,schizophrenia or whatever the > > attached label, should not disguise the fact that it has a single ’cause’. > > In neurological terms, this is soft-wired (neurochemical) but its > > fundamental purpose is that of differentiating social competence across > the > > population. > > Social competence correlating directly with social rank or hierarchical > > status. > Does this mean that the infant of a poor, "low-ranked" woman, if adopted by > a wealthy, "high-ranked" couple would have better social competence, or > would they revert to their birth status?
the adopted child would do better with the high-ranked parents. several studies have proved this. why on earth do you think i took the extraordinary step of urging your to put your child up for adoption? > What about those that are considered of high social rank and hierarchical > status? If they experience SP or other mental disorders – what does this > say about them?
there is a much lower rate of schizophrenia and other mental illnesses amongst the offspring of elites of our society. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > We can point to any number of life events as being causal, but in reality > > there are no discrete external causes, only an innate socio- competence > > specific to the individual. > > Nickf > > > In article <u4H75.399$g54.168…@nnrp2.sbc.net>, > > > "shirleb" <shir…@swbell.net> wrote: > > > > I was discussing SP’s with a friend and the question was raised about > > > what > > > > the cause was. I have no clue, therefore, I thought about asking the > > > ng > > > > members. Is it genetic, or are we predisposed genetically? In other > > > words, > > > > could there be a physiological cause? Is it the result of > > > enviromental or > > > > social conditioning? I have thought about my family. I don’t recall > > > my > > > > grandparents having any social problems, yet, I believe my parents > > > do. In > > > > the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. > > > > What are your thoughts on this subject? > > > > Thanks > > > > Shirleb > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy.
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I tend to believe it is a result of both genetic and conditioning, however, why would one sibling in three escape SP given the same circumstances and parents? Guess I’m looking for a simple answer to a complicated question. If it is physiological, one would assume that meds (evenutally) would offer a cure. A thought, now that they have mapped DNA, maybe they can locate the social diorder one and it can be snipped out! LOL "Dounia" <dou…@mail.com> wrote in message
news:8jnlkn$rk4$1@nnrp1.deja.com… : For me, it’s clearly genetic But I agree with Pam…I believe it is a mix : of both genetic factors and environment in varying degrees for everyone : after hearing about the childhood of some here. : : In : > the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. : > What are your thoughts on this subject? : > Thanks : > Shirleb : > : > : : : Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ : Before you buy. :
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Hi It is still not very well defined . Both factors (genetic , environmental) seem to affect the disorder . In what way? – it is yet to be agreed ! . In My case I never experienced severe uncomfortability in social situations as a child or teenager . I was in fact a very sociable individual (I still love social situations – I can not stand the anxiety though that is all ) . No one in my direct or extended family has or has has SP . My mother suffered from Panick attacks for a period of about 2 years , and that before I developed signs of any disease . Fortunately , she has completely recovered with no recurrences . I only developed it after a terrible sentimental experience after which i became somewhat depressed for a short period of time . Ever since , I have had SP ….therefore genetic or enviromental? in my case hard to say…Maybe both! . In article <u4H75.399$g54.168…@nnrp2.sbc.net>, "shirleb" <shir…@swbell.net> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was discussing SP’s with a friend and the question was raised about what > the cause was. I have no clue, therefore, I thought about asking the ng > members. Is it genetic, or are we predisposed genetically? In other words, > could there be a physiological cause? Is it the result of enviromental or > social conditioning? I have thought about my family. I don’t recall my > grandparents having any social problems, yet, I believe my parents do. In > the case of my siblings, two out of three have severe forms of it. > What are your thoughts on this subject? > Thanks > Shirleb
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