SSRIs alone may not work on OCD

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SSRIs alone may not work on OCD A 10 year study found that "40 to 60 percent of patients with obsessive-compulsive disorder do not respond to adequate treatment trials with SSRIs, and agents that alter serotonin receptors and other neurotransmitter systems, such as dopamine and norepinephrine, as well as second-messenger systems may play a role in the treatment of obsessive-compulsive disorder." Treatment for OCD often involves a combination of medications and psychotherapy. Scientists continue to explore which meds help the most, while cognitive behavioral therapy also continues to show promise. Source: Psychiatric Services — Abstracts: Kaplan and Hollander 54 (8): 1111 A Review of Pharmacologic Treatments for Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder Alicia Kaplan, M.D. and Eric Hollander, M.D. OBJECTIVE: Obsessive-compulsive disorder is a chronic and often disabling disorder that affects 2 to 3 percent of the U.S. population. Optimal treatment involves a combination of pharmacologic and cognitive-behavioral therapies. Advances in psychopharmacology have led to safe and effective treatments for obsessive-compulsive disorder that provide clinically significant improvement in symptoms. In this article the authors review studies of pharmacologic treatments. METHODS: A MEDLINE search was conducted to identify relevant articles from 1991 to 2002. Double-blind, placebo-controlled studies as well as open-label studies and case reports were included. RESULTS AND DISCUSSION: The serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SRIs), including clomipramine, fluvoxamine, fluoxetine, sertraline, and paroxetine, have been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for the treatment of adults with obsessive-compulsive disorder; three of these (clomipramine, fluvoxamine, and sertraline) have been approved for treatment of children and adolescents. Clomipramine and the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are first-line agents. However, 40 to 60 percent of patients with obsessive-compulsive disorder do not respond to adequate treatment trials with SRIs, and agents that alter serotonin receptors and other neurotransmitter systems, such as dopamine, norepinephrine, and second-messenger systems, may play a role in treatment. Treatment options for patients who do not respond to SRIs include switching, augmentation, or novel-agent strategies. Up to two-thirds of patients with obsessive-compulsive disorder have comorbid psychiatric disorders, which may present a challenge in pharmacologic treatment. Major depressive disorder is the most common comorbid condition. Nonpharmacologic invasive techniques may play a role in refractory cases of obsessive-compulsive disorder, but further research is warranted. http://mentalhealth.about.com/b/a/020928.htm ~*~The bad things of life were very transitory. It was the good things,the ribbed sand, the wind blowing over the white capped waves, the sunshine and the stars, that were so tough and durable~*~ ~~Elizabeth Goudge — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Treatment options for patients who do not respond to SRIs include switching, augmentation, or novel-agent strategies.

Seroquel is being used in trials as an adjunct to SSRIs. Of course, the trials are funded by AstraZeneca and money is involved. I do find personally that bits of Seroquel during the day when I get into cycles of obsessions/compulsions do help tremendously. However, it took a long time to kick in–several months.  Seroquel blocks the alpha adrenergic-1 and -2 receptors, and thus promotes a calmer mind and halts the hyperactivity. Up to two-thirds of patients with obsessive-compulsive disorder have comorbid psychiatric disorders, which may present a challenge in pharmacologic treatment. Major depressive disorder is the most common comorbid condition.

Same here. The Zoloft has helped the depression about 95-97%. It’s not the greatest OCD med IMO.  The Seroquel…and lots of nicotine (which raise dopamine and norepinephrine levels in the brain) handle that much better. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Lightheadedness… hyperventilation syndrome?

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Hello all… I have a sort of complicated deal going on at the moment. I have obsessive compulsive disorder which means that I worry about a single distressing thing alot throughout a given day for many weeks to months…. Anywayz… in october (way back when) I was under alot of stress, and I started to not be able to function in my classes that I take — I started feeling like I couldn’t escape — out of breath — dizzy — headache ect… which progressed into me fearing that I was going to pass out… Any wayz, my doctor put me on zoloft and tranxene — the zoloft did nothing but the tranxene at 7.5 mg dose alleviated symptoms greatly… but I never took them for long for fear of becoming dependent. Now here it is almost april, and like every day I feel sooo lightheaded… even if Im at home away from stressful areas I feel so lightheaded like Im going to pass out.. I don’t know if anything physical could be causing my symptoms as again I’ve been having these symptoms since october… Could I have some sort of thyroid problem/endocrine problem?

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Hmm, also could the zoloft be doing alot of this? I really dont think it’s helping me at all…. It hasn’t alleviated my obsessive thoughts ect… Is a side effect of zoloft constant lightheadedness?

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An Intro to OCD

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An introduction to OCD Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is an anxiety disorder characterized by persistant and repetitive thoughts and behaviors that are often upsetting and disruptive to a person’s day-to-day life. The symptoms of OCD may range from mild to severe. Severe OCD may be chronic and disabling. Symptoms of OCD Repetitive (and unwanted) ideas, thoughts and impulses. Examples: fear that self or loved ones will be harmed; fear of contamination; a need to do things perfectly/correctly. The obsessions cause much anxiety and are difficult to stop. Some obsessions may focus on violence, sex or illness. *Repetitive behaviors performed by most people with OCD as a result of their obsessions. *Examples: repetitive washing hand washing), checking (i.e. stopping the car to see if someone has been hit), counting, hoarding, rearranging objects, repeating phrases mentally, listmaking. *Many people with OCD repeat behaviors in order to keep harm from happening to themselves and loved ones. *Some have rituals — either strict or changing. Rituals relieve anxiety but only temporarily. Most people with OCD know that the obsessions and compusions are not realistic. However, at times, they are unsure about whether or not the behavior is unrealistic. Most attempt to stop the behaviors and thoughts, and most try to hide it from other people. OCD is usually chronic, although symptoms may come and go over time. If severe, OCD can be disabling. A person with severe OCD may not be able to function at work, school, home, etc. Causes of OCD As with all of the anxiety disorders, researchers continually attempt to understand the causes of OCD in order to find the most beneficial treatments. In the past, it was often thought that OCD was caused by childhood experiences. Now that it has been shown that medications, mainly the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), can help the symptoms of OCD, researchers believe that the disorder has a neurological basis. Additionally, positron emission tomography (PET) scans on people with OCD show different patterns of brain activity than those who do not have OCD. Current research is attempting to explore these differences in the brain more thoroughly. In addition to neurological theories for the causes of OCD, there have been studies on the connection between OCD and the person’s environment, beliefs and attitudes. It is likely, as with the other anxiety disorders, that more than one factor is at work for many people with OCD. http://panicdisorder.about.com/cs/ocdbasics/a/ocdbasics.htm Treatments and Getting Help Treatment for OCD usually involves medication, behavior therapy, or a combination of the two. Medication for OCD According to research studies, medications affecting serotonin (a neurotransmitter) can decrease the symptoms of OCD significantly. Three selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) have been approved by the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for the treatment of OCD: Prozac (fluoxetine), Luvox (fluvoxamine), and Paxil (paroxetine). Studies have also shown that the SSRI Zoloft (sertraline) may also be helpful. If one medication is not helpful, another one may work. People who find relief from their symptoms by taking these medications often will need to take them indefinitely. Behavior Therapy for OCD The exposure and response prevention approach is most often used to treat people with OCD. With this approach, the person with OCD confronts (when ready) the feared thought or object. This may be done through visualization before confronting the actual object. With guidelines, the person learns to stop rituals and repetitive behaviors. In order for this treatment to be effective, the person with OCD must be motivated, and the therapist must be trained in using this approach to treat OCD. How to Get Help If you are concerned that you have the symptoms of OCD, you probably will want to start by talking to your general physician. He or she should be able to give you a referral to a mental health professional. If this is not possible and/or you want to go directly to a mental health professional, check local hospitals, clinics, and psychiatry departments of local universities for referrals. You may also want to contact your local mental health department (see the government listings in your telephone book). http://panicdisorder.about.com/cs/ocdbasics/a/ocdbasics_2.htm Jackie ~*~When they discover the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it~*~             ~~ Bernard Bailey — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *Repetitive behaviors performed by most people with OCD as a result of their obsessions. *Examples: rearranging objects, checking…listmaking. For some reason the listmaking for me is the toughest to overcome. I have a list for just about everything–no act will be performed unless it is on "the list." If I need to unclog the sink in my kitchen, I have to put it on the list first. Then I can unclog the kitchen sink. Then the lists are re-written when they start to look sloppy.

I have only one list, and keep it on the living room table. After I do something, I cross it out on the list. After several days so many things are crossed out that the list looks like a mess. That’s when I make up a new *clean* list. Fritz Perls said,  "Those who try to control always end up being controlled" Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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*Repetitive behaviors performed by most people with OCD as a result of their obsessions. *Examples: rearranging objects, checking…listmaking.

For some reason the listmaking for me is the toughest to overcome. I have a list for just about everything–no act will be performed unless it is on "the list." If I need to unclog the sink in my kitchen, I have to put it on the list first. Then I can unclog the kitchen sink. Then the lists are re-written when they start to look sloppy. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hoarding- a form of OCD

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   I came across an old article in USA TOday where hoarding was revealed to be a form of obsessive compulsive disorder. I recall I would be upset as a boy when my belongings  would be touched.

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>I recall I would be upset as a boy when my >belongings would be touched.

    That is not the same thing as hoarding!!! We’ve already answered this question once before..GET A LIFE….

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JimSummers wrote: > >I recall I would be upset as a boy when my >belongings would be touched. >     That is not the same thing as hoarding!!! We’ve already answered this > question once before..GET A LIFE….

       I did not say it was the same thing as hoarding. Different neuroses can be  experienced by the same individual. But hoarding is supposed to be a form of OCD,  but I did not say hoarding is OCPD, either. Please forget it.

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JimSummers wrote:

..GET A LIFE…. LOL Whatever that means. – Michaela

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Ardmore builders…impressions?

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I’ve been gone for awhile from this group…and am now accessing via google.  My days using OE are over…..not sure if this is really a Anyway, I haven’t heard anything from any of the first batch of Ardmore builders.  What are your impressions? Here are mine in short form…   Low volume clean is very nice expecially using my holy grail reverb pedal.  The volume goes up quickly from the 9:00 position…wish it was a bit more gradual but this happens with a lot of amps.  The tone control or "voicing" control leaves me wishing I had a TMB tone stack instead, which I know is more complicated. It was a breeze to build and now I’m even more hooked….gotta find a way to justify building another amp…maybe a Marshall 18 watter clone???? ERic

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been gone for awhile from this group…and am now accessing via google.  My days using OE are over…..not sure if this is really a Anyway, I haven’t heard anything from any of the first batch of Ardmore builders.  What are your impressions? Here are mine in short form…   Low volume clean is very nice expecially using my holy grail reverb pedal.  The volume goes up quickly from the 9:00 position…wish it was a bit more gradual but this happens with a lot of amps.  The tone control or "voicing" control leaves me wishing I had a TMB tone stack instead, which I know is more complicated. It was a breeze to build and now I’m even more hooked….gotta find a way to justify building another amp…maybe a Marshall 18 watter clone???? ERic

Eric, There is the V/M tonestack mod for the Gilmore Jr.  I wonder if it would work for the Ardmore?  It supposedly does that scooped mid thing. Regards, Phil

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been gone for awhile from this group…and am now accessing via google.  My days using OE are over…..not sure if this is really a Anyway, I haven’t heard anything from any of the first batch of Ardmore builders.  What are your impressions? Here are mine in short form…   Low volume clean is very nice expecially using my holy grail reverb pedal.  The volume goes up quickly from the 9:00 position…wish it was a bit more gradual but this happens with a lot of amps.  The tone control or "voicing" control leaves me wishing I had a TMB tone stack instead, which I know is more complicated. It was a breeze to build and now I’m even more hooked….gotta find a way to justify building another amp…maybe a Marshall 18 watter clone???? ERic

The Ardmore is certainly a different sounding amp than the Gilmore Jr. isn’t it!   The tone stack in one of the major differences between the two.  I talking with Gary Gerhart about it, he explained what he was trying to do was make a different kind of tone control that didn’t so much take away treble or bass, but shift the emphasis around a central point.   When you rotate the tone control on the Ardmore it is as if you had the tone curve pinned in the middle and were rotating the curve around a common point, rather that actually reshaping it that much. At first I didn’t like it much either, because I was used to the standard, Fender-style ones and it doesn’t behave that way at all.   After I played with it for a while though I found that I could coax sounds and qualities out of it that I couldn’t get otherwise.  Used in conjunction with the tone control on the guitar it gives a surprising amount of flexibilty and uniqueness. It is possible to modify the circuit and put in the same stack that the Gilmore Jr. uses, but I’d encourage you to play with it as it is some more before you change it. As for the 18 watter….Go For It!! Walt Campbell Campbell Sound http://www.campbellsound.com/ P.S.  FWIW I built the third (counting Gary and Rich) Ardmore and have spent a lot of time on the construction details and in talking with Gary and Rich, so I’m not just guessing about the above.  <G

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I’ve been gone for awhile from this group…and am now accessing via google.  My days using OE are over…..not sure if this is really a

It’s easy to understand why you are done with OE.  Try Mozilla Thunderbird. I’ve heard good reports.

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Walt….good advice….a bit more woodsheding is in order.  Also forgot to mention another cool thing about the Ardmore…no need for matched EL84’s.  Gary actually encouraged me to try totally different makes…so in the spirit of this I put in a JJ and a Ei – played it for awhile then shut down and switched places with the tubes…..pretty cool!  The JJ seemed to tame some of the upper high mids. Question…does your power tranny get quite warm/ hot after pushing it hard for a couple hours?  Mine does.  I can hold my hand on it….but I’m guessing 125-130 F or so. BTW I used the amp at band practice….yep loud enough to keep pace with a drummer when plugged into my Ampeg V4 cab….I know. no one believes me….maybe someday I’ll make a down and dirty video to prove oh yah…and a little frame of reference too….it took about a year of tweaking to get my bassman to where I am totally happy with it…..maybe I’m developing an obsessive compulsive disorder…I think the last peice of the puzzle for the bassman was the JJ 6V6’s through a open back 8 ohm 1×12" cab running a weber silver bell (and here’s the clincher) with a beam blocker…..OCD anyone???? Rock On! ERic

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I’ve been gone for awhile from this group…and am now accessing via google.  My days using OE are over…..not sure if this is really a It’s easy to understand why you are done with OE.  Try Mozilla Thunderbird. I’ve heard good reports.

I’ve been using it (T-bird) for quite some time…  it works well. gtski

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been gone for awhile from this group…and am now accessing via google.  My days using OE are over…..not sure if this is really a It’s easy to understand why you are done with OE.  Try Mozilla Thunderbird. I’ve heard good reports. I’ve been using it (T-bird) for quite some time…  it works well. gtski

I imagine the screw top helps ;~} <couldn’t resist

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been gone for awhile from this group…and am now accessing via google.  My days using OE are over…..not sure if this is really a Anyway, I haven’t heard anything from any of the first batch of Ardmore builders.  What are your impressions? Here are mine in short form…   Low volume clean is very nice expecially using my holy grail reverb pedal.  The volume goes up quickly from the 9:00 position…wish it was a bit more gradual but this happens with a lot of amps.  The tone control or "voicing" control leaves me wishing I had a TMB tone stack instead, which I know is more complicated. It was a breeze to build and now I’m even more hooked….gotta find a way to justify building another amp…maybe a Marshall 18 watter clone????

  I was supposed to try out the Ardmore amp but Gary never called me back for a definite time to meet.   Oh well, I guess since I’m not Ace Frehley I’m not worthy. winnard

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been gone for awhile from this group…and am now accessing via google.  My days using OE are over…..not sure if this is really a Anyway, I haven’t heard anything from any of the first batch of Ardmore builders.  What are your impressions? Here are mine in short form…   Low volume clean is very nice expecially using my holy grail reverb pedal.  The volume goes up quickly from the 9:00 position…wish it was a bit more gradual but this happens with a lot of amps.  The tone control or "voicing" control leaves me wishing I had a TMB tone stack instead, which I know is more complicated. It was a breeze to build and now I’m even more hooked….gotta find a way to justify building another amp…maybe a Marshall 18 watter clone????   I was supposed to try out the Ardmore amp but Gary never called me back for a definite time to meet.   Oh well, I guess since I’m not Ace Frehley I’m not worthy. winnard

Even though you’ve probably never been on VH1’s "Behind the Music", your worthy.  If your ever in Kingman, AZ give me a call…you can play mine. ERic

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been gone for awhile from this group…and am now accessing via google.  My days using OE are over…..not sure if this is really a Anyway, I haven’t heard anything from any of the first batch of Ardmore builders.  What are your impressions? Here are mine in short form…   Low volume clean is very nice expecially using my holy grail reverb pedal.  The volume goes up quickly from the 9:00 position…wish it was a bit more gradual but this happens with a lot of amps.  The tone control or "voicing" control leaves me wishing I had a TMB tone stack instead, which I know is more complicated. It was a breeze to build and now I’m even more hooked….gotta find a way to justify building another amp…maybe a Marshall 18 watter clone????  I was supposed to try out the Ardmore amp but Gary never called me back for a definite time to meet.   Oh well, I guess since I’m not Ace Frehley I’m not worthy. winnard

Hello Winnard, I don’t think it’s a matter of you not being Ace Frehley.  Gary has been working some strange shifts due to end-of-year activities where he works. I’d try contacting him again.  In the mean-time, I’ll let him know that I saw your post and that you are still interested in an Ardmore ‘test-drive’. If you are ever in N. VA (near DC) you can try out variations of the Gilmore Jr and the Ardmore at my location.  I also have a very nice Gerhart Amplification Sunset Amp that you can try ;^) Best regards, Rich www.guytronix.com

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P.S.  FWIW I built the third (counting Gary and Rich) Ardmore and have spent a lot of time on construction details and in talking with Gary and Rich, so I’m not just guessing about the above.  <G

I hope they gave you some pointers. -DC

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P.S.  FWIW I built the third (counting Gary and Rich) Ardmore and have spent a lot of time on construction details and in talking with Gary and Rich, so I’m not just guessing about the above.  <G I hope they gave you some pointers. -DC

Hello Dave, I can’t find the thread where Walt replied, can you help me? Best regards, Rich www.guytronix.com

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P.S.  FWIW I built the third (counting Gary and Rich) Ardmore and have spent a lot of time on construction details and in talking with Gary and Rich, so I’m not just guessing about the above.  <G I hope they gave you some pointers. -DC

and a happy thanksgiving to you too… Walt Campbell Campbell Sound http://www.campbellsound.com/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – P.S.  FWIW I built the third (counting Gary and Rich) Ardmore and have spent a lot of time on construction details and in talking with Gary and Rich, so I’m not just guessing about the above.  <G I hope they gave you some pointers. -DC and a happy thanksgiving to you too… Walt Campbell Campbell Sound http://www.campbellsound.com/

Hello Walt, Happy Thanksgiving to You and Your Family. Just for the record, Walt was the Author of the Ardmore Manual.  He didn’t need any pointers.  ;^) Best regards, Rich www.guytronix.com

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Just for the record, Walt was the Author of the Ardmore Manual.

Would you mind sending me a copy? No big deal, but curious… He didn’t need any pointers.  ;^)

Perhaps he already got them. http://tinyurl.com/c2wl2 I *do* sincerely hope that you, Walt and all other Americans on the group had a wonderful Thanksgiving Day. -Dave Curtis Electrician Musician Technician

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just for the record, Walt was the Author of the Ardmore Manual. Would you mind sending me a copy? No big deal, but curious… He didn’t need any pointers.  ;^) Perhaps he already got them. http://tinyurl.com/c2wl2 I *do* sincerely hope that you, Walt and all other Americans on the group had a wonderful Thanksgiving Day. -Dave Curtis Electrician Musician Technician

Dave, I have an electronic master copy that I print out fresh with each kit purchase.  It is colorful and very accurate to include ‘Easy-Build’ diagrams.  In order to preserve the detailed information, I do not provide electronic copies.  I am always at the ready to assist builders when they have questions or concerns (please see the Customer Feedback/Comments area on my web site).  If a question/concern comes up that I cannot answer, Gary Gerhart provides guidance to me as he is the Design Engineer of these unique include your phone number.  I’d be happy to call and discuss the Ardmore and Gilmore Jr Amp Kits with you.  Thanks for your inquiry. Best regards, Rich

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just for the record, Walt was the Author of the Ardmore Manual. Would you mind sending me a copy? No big deal, but curious… He didn’t need any pointers.  ;^) Perhaps he already got them. http://tinyurl.com/c2wl2 I *do* sincerely hope that you, Walt and all other Americans on the group had a wonderful Thanksgiving Day. -Dave Curtis Electrician Musician Technician Dave, I have an electronic master copy that I print out fresh with each kit purchase.  It is colorful and very accurate to include ‘Easy-Build’ diagrams.  In order to preserve the detailed information, I do not provide electronic copies.

But you *could*…  No big deal, but curious… I am always at the ready to assist builders when they have questions or concerns (please see the Customer Feedback/Comments area on my web site).

That’s great. If a question/concern comes up that I cannot answer, Gary Gerhart provides guidance to me as he is the Design Engineer of these unique Kits that are not clones.

Gee, Rich. I was born in the morning, but it wasn’t this morning. (I’ve been on the group for about 6 years) Tell Gary I said HI! include your phone number.  I’d be happy to call and discuss the Ardmore and Gilmore Jr Amp Kits with you.  Thanks for your inquiry.

Thanks, but I have way too many projects as it is. I’d read John’s manual for the Gilmore Jr. after he wrote it and just wanted to give Walt’s a read. Best regards, Rich

Back at ya, -DC

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this, feels good

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that’s pretty funny stuff.  I look forward to random sexual encounters like you have described.  I am always testing the waters with strangers though just to see if someone will bite.  little sexual inuendos to see if the person might be game.  haven’t made the connection yet, that one in the walmart though, i’m kicking myself for that one.  I like the outdoor sex very much, it’s a great mix.  the camping picnic table in broad daylight is classic.  I remembed a camping trip with my ex girlfriend where we did that.  it was such a gorgeous day.  I laid her down on her stomach and lifted up one of her legs, this way she could keep an eye out too instead of just staring up at the clouds.  the best part was there were other campers in the distance that were taking their tents down etc, that i was keeping an eye on so we could stop if they looked like they were onto us.  That girl was a total ho, it was good in some senses, she was very sexually liberating.  the sex was never boring and she was always really wet.  she had a great looking pie too, I could tell by looking at her face that she was going to even before i ever saw it.

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Its good to hear you had a good time. Maybe you should test the tenormin at home a couple of times.. see how long on average the shitty part takes to get over, and then make some phone calls or something. I have never been on a blind date. I am sure it is awkward. I have gone out with a friend of a friend I met once.. and when I showed up alone .. he was there with his brother and his brothers girlfriend. EMBARRASSING for me. I was self conscious and ended up leaving.. asshole, he should have told me he was bringing someone else. Anyways.. you hear from the girl again? I have only been scared… truly scared.. in one haunted house and I actually grabbed the guy who worked there and asked him to walk me through.. we ended up fucking.. damn it. I like it when men "graze" me.. hard to explain. even men I dont want.. its flattering I guess…and makes me feel a little dominant. -kim "peacepipe" <mmfu…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1125127144.181880.54370@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> tenormin, 2 beers, some pot.  I spent the day at the fair.  it was > absolutely hellish for the first 3 hours.  I never take tenormin but > i’ve been sick and unsocial, I couldn’t even have a conversation on the > phone for 3 mintues without losing it.  I took the tenormin and the > initial response was not good, didn’t eat anyting today, nyquil > hangover from last night.  It was also a double date and blind for me. > Yikes!!  silent and stupid for the first 3 hours, confused, > disoriented, and frightened of the people around me.  what a nightmare. >  the girl that was my date, really tried hard to have conversations > with me but was freed of the burden by making fun of me.  she was > insecure and nervous just like me.  after some food and a beer and the > wearing off of the tenormin, i was aces.  Still a little quite, but > happy and light and putting others at ease.  even though the tenormin > wore off it’s effects were not strong but just enough to turn the ego > defense down a bit.  it was doing the trick and not only allowed me to > drop my guard, but really to let me ENJOY the day.  we went into the > haunted house at the fair and my date grabbed my hand and we held hands > the whole way.  she pressed her breast against me for most of the way. > at the end she had ended up in front of me but still needing my > protection held me closer, my somewhat erect penis grazed her just > once, i couldn’t help it.  she was cute.  I wanted to lay her down > right there in the smoke and red strobe light and give her the > business, maybe put a dracula mask on.  she had a great little body. > Now i’m thinking, what the hell, tenormin’s no big deal, i could take > that every single time i go out.  It won’t be like taking a benzo which > leads me into a fun but slightly manic and irrational social being. > every single time i go out i could do it.  But eventually I’d get to > the point where i’d want to take it 45 minutes before i wake up in the > morning just incase the phone rings.  boy did i feel like shit for the > first hour or two.  I couldn’t talk, i couldn’t laugh, i couldn’t > interact.  she was insulted.  our arms kept touching, once things were > good, while we were walking.  she had soft skin and her shirt was > sleaveless.  I wanted to grab her a few times but the air was awkward. > really only in the haunted house did we get a chance to touch > aggresively.  the lights were low, we were entertained, we had an > excuse to grab eachother.

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i hung out with her 2 days before i left minnesota.  I wanted to fool around with her a little bit more but we just ended up kissing briefly.  i talked to her twice since i’ve moved back to nj.  i will keep in touch with her but i don’t think anything will come of it. there was a woman at walmart who i shared a subtle physical contact with a few days ago.  I walked out of an aisle and saw her through the corner of my eye but didn’t look at her.  I turned around to take a look at her and continued walking.  she was walking closely behind me. we hit a traffic jam of seniors and she took the lead.  she then was walking a few feet infront of me.  I went into look at the video games and she came in shortly after to look at some music.  As i was moving to another section she walked past me and the sides of our arms touched in passing.  It was a little bit awkward but very exciting.  she was tall and had really dark hair, very italian looking.  she was wearing one of those lacey sort of tanktops you see at old navy or the gap.  it happened a second time while i was exiting the department.  she was waiting in line and as i walked past her she turned to grab something from the shelf and our arms touched again.  I went home and rubbed one out immediately.  If only i had had a buddy following me with a camera, i could maybe have gotten a lay.  Extremely casual sex intrigues me a great deal.  Extremely as in we meet in aisle 6, have sex behind an employees only door, and hell maybe even exchange phone numbers, why not?  Probably wouldn’t calll anyway.  It beats the casual sex where you actually try to turn into something other than a one night stand. where even if you try to keep it casual it turns into something not so comfortable.  I was never really comfortable with a long term fuck buddy.  I guess I only had one.  i think if you fuck someone more than 3 times and you don’t start dating them, the sex goes sour.  except for an ex, you can fuck them a bunch of times without things changing, you’ve just got to take breaks.  I think i get layed more now then when i was psychologically sound.  except it’s been 5 months or so.  I can’t complain though, seeing as how i was a virgin until i was 23.  That sucked. are you dissapointed that you had sex with the guy from the haunted house?

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This is a little bit long.. but try to pay attention!  Its mostly about sex so maybe it will hold your interest Was I disappointed? Not at all… But he wouldnt leave me alone afterward. I hate that. I tend to attract young boys.. 18-24… I dont mind. Its nice to be wanted… and in control… I like to make them a little shy..do things they dont really want to .. and its easy with the young ones…But they always end up being clingy and jealous. . and want relationships. similar to a woman I suppose. I guess you could say I am a slut.. but these instances are few and far between.. and not while drunk or after bars or partying.. just.. an immediate attraction… sex… and goodbye-  no one I know or plan to see again….and 99% of the time.. not even my friends who I am with know it happened… hard to explain. I – being a total hypochondriac – do not understand how I can so easily have sex..I fear disease … irrationally.. I do. I swear in my obsessive compulsive head that I have every disease known to man.. but I have never had more than a cold or poison oak! I get tested every 6 months for everything.. even when I go without sex! but when it comes to sex it seems I lose all inhibitions.. I do not drink often at all because its "instant fuck – just add alcohol" I hate going to the bar.. the people there seem to me much dirtier than meeting say, on the bus or a street. I have had sex in the cooler at a grocery store I worked at, (bent over the milk crates) with a guy who used to come in there alot. I quit shortly thereafter… I have given a bj  in the back of a cop car… no shit. The cop was a dick and ignored my questions…he didnt notice I did it, or atleast didnt say so.  I would have liked to have been your first… 23 yrs of no sex.. lucky girl… I had sex with a guy I met on the bus. ( no NOT the greyhound). we rode from sacramento to san francisco.. and we both had to go seperate ways.. so we fucked in the bushes in front of a bank (it was dark) and I have never seen or heard from him since. The only other really cold lustful sex I can think of ( that may be worthy of writing) is when I was camping .. I met a guy at the lake, he was there with his family and I was with mine… he was about 20, and I was 17..  We would "make appointments" at the campground showers..meet up, fuck, and see eachother the next day doing our family recreation.. ( this was a 4 day camping trip) … our families found out because on our final day – we wouldnt be able to get away for our night cap – so we did it in broad daylight on a picnic table and were caught by the groundskeeper- he "evicted us" so our families kind of had to know… Oh, and I did it with a guy I stopped –  he was riding his bike and asked him for his phone #.. I ended up giving him a ‘ride’  but he never made it home.. we ended up in the pear orchards. You remind me of sex. Maybe it is our bond. I dont want to proof read this.. sorry if it makes no sense. -kim

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Serotonin reuptake inhibitor

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Is lack of serotonin in the brain implicated in migraine headaches and is this related to the hole in the heart situation? My understanding is that virtually any anti-depressant raises the pain threshold, thus having the potential to relieve migraine. Elavil (amitriptyline) is one of the most often prescribed. I don’t know if serotonin and SSRIs are specific factors.

According to current migraine theory, it’s not the serotonin per se, that is the key, but the receptor subtype where the serotonin is present. The "triptans", as an example, are all serotonin agonists, but are targeted at the serotonin receptor subtype: 5HT-1d(alpha), which is concentrated in a specific location (the trigeminalvascular junction). This fits in nicely with the trigeminalvascular theory of migraine. Blood levels of serotonin say NOTHING about its "distribution" in the body and brain, which is what is deemed medically relevant to migraine. SSRIs also increase serotonin in the synapse, but I do not remember their target receptor, and cannot imagine it being the same as a triptan. Finally, triptans are not COMPLETELY without affect at other serotonin receptor subtypes. Drugs are said to have an "affinity" for different receptor subtypes, and this can be quantified in animals. With migraine drugs, one challenge was to increase the affinity of a drug toward the target, WITHOUT mimicking serotonin at other serotonin receptors, particularly in the heart—where vasoconstriction is NOT desirable. Vasoconstriction is an affect of serotonin on blood vessels, but it is still an open question as to whether or not it is the affect responsible for efficacy in aborting a migraine. The triptans have an affinity for their target that is vastly greater than in the heart’s coronary arteries, but I’m sure that many of you remember questioning chest discomforts when taken triptans. I know of no evidence that these are coronary events, and it’s been intensively studied, but the warnings against heart patients using them persists, probably for good reason, as receptor distribution is largely genetic, and there are some rare phenotypes in the general population. Given that these meds. are not "absolutely" specific to their target, anything can happen, but rarely does. I’m not familiar with the "hole in the heart" that you refer to in your post. Jack

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Is lack of serotonin in the brain implicated in migraine headaches and is this related to the hole in the heart situation?

My understanding is that virtually any anti-depressant raises the pain threshold, thus having the potential to relieve migraine. Elavil (amitriptyline) is one of the most often prescribed. I don’t know if serotonin and SSRIs are specific factors.

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I used to have frequent migraines but since I started taking serotonin reuptake inhibitors like Prozac (for obsessive compulsive disorder) I hardly ever get a migraine. When I do get an occasional migraine I just take Excedrine Migraine.Is lack of serotonin in the brain implicated in migraine headaches and is this related to the hole in the heart situation?

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This is new to me and very interesting. I’ll try to find some time soon to research it. Thanks for the post. Jack – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The "hole in the heart" deals with some research which has been printed recently. It deals with PFO (patent foramen ovale) or a hole in the heart. See http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20050219/bob8.asp This is the part that mentioned serotonin "Nevertheless, researchers are excited by the possibility that PFOs cause some migraines. Wilmshurst speculates, "We think the PFO permits a substance that would be filtered in the lungs to get to the brain." He and some other researchers suspect the peptide serotonin, which is neurologically active and doesn’t usually circulate in blood heading from the heart to the brain." http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/articles/050411/11migraine.htm http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn4113 (Sept. 2003) http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/healthcast/4537586/detail.html http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_155211030.html http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/health/4537586/detail.html http://www.sc.mahidol.ac.th/sclg/supports/ors147/md/p32.htm http://www.owendot.com/cgi-bin/avpub/config.pl/frames=n/read/7731 ‘did

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Jack, thanks for that very thorough and helpful response.  I don’t think I ever quite understood the whole thing.  This gave me a whole lot more understanding about how the serotonin and the triptans work. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is lack of serotonin in the brain implicated in migraine headaches and is this related to the hole in the heart situation? My understanding is that virtually any anti-depressant raises the pain threshold, thus having the potential to relieve migraine. Elavil (amitriptyline) is one of the most often prescribed. I don’t know if serotonin and SSRIs are specific factors. According to current migraine theory, it’s not the serotonin per se, that is the key, but the receptor subtype where the serotonin is present. The "triptans", as an example, are all serotonin agonists, but are targeted at the serotonin receptor subtype: 5HT-1d(alpha), which is concentrated in a specific location (the trigeminalvascular junction). This fits in nicely with the trigeminalvascular theory of migraine. Blood levels of serotonin say NOTHING about its "distribution" in the body and brain, which is what is deemed medically relevant to migraine. SSRIs also increase serotonin in the synapse, but I do not remember their target receptor, and cannot imagine it being the same as a triptan. Finally, triptans are not COMPLETELY without affect at other serotonin receptor subtypes. Drugs are said to have an "affinity" for different receptor subtypes, and this can be quantified in animals. With migraine drugs, one challenge was to increase the affinity of a drug toward the target, WITHOUT mimicking serotonin at other serotonin receptors, particularly in the heart—where vasoconstriction is NOT desirable. Vasoconstriction is an affect of serotonin on blood vessels, but it is still an open question as to whether or not it is the affect responsible for efficacy in aborting a migraine. The triptans have an affinity for their target that is vastly greater than in the heart’s coronary arteries, but I’m sure that many of you remember questioning chest discomforts when taken triptans. I know of no evidence that these are coronary events, and it’s been intensively studied, but the warnings against heart patients using them persists, probably for good reason, as receptor distribution is largely genetic, and there are some rare phenotypes in the general population. Given that these meds. are not "absolutely" specific to their target, anything can happen, but rarely does. I’m not familiar with the "hole in the heart" that you refer to in your post. Jack

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You’re welcome. But, remember, this is only one theory and there are others. In a decade or so, this may all need revision as that has been the usual case with migraine. It’s been very difficult to get a handle on the underlying mechanism(s) behind an extremely profound and complex problem. Why, for instance, does sumatriptan work at all, as it doesn’t cross the blood/brain barrier? The pro-Imitrex group has stretched long and hard to come up with a barely plausible (IMHO) and theoretical migraine is fully developed before taking Imitrex" to "take Imitrex at the first sign of a migraine". OTOH, Zomig does cross the barrier, and the pro-Zomig interests have tried to heavily exploit this fact. But, explanations of its efficacy also have problems. That’s for another day. Jack – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jack, thanks for that very thorough and helpful response.  I don’t think I ever quite understood the whole thing.  This gave me a whole lot more understanding about how the serotonin and the triptans work. Michelle Is lack of serotonin in the brain implicated in migraine headaches and is this related to the hole in the heart situation? My understanding is that virtually any anti-depressant raises the pain threshold, thus having the potential to relieve migraine. Elavil (amitriptyline) is one of the most often prescribed. I don’t know if serotonin and SSRIs are specific factors. According to current migraine theory, it’s not the serotonin per se, that is the key, but the receptor subtype where the serotonin is present. The "triptans", as an example, are all serotonin agonists, but are targeted at the serotonin receptor subtype: 5HT-1d(alpha), which is concentrated in a specific location (the trigeminalvascular junction). This fits in nicely with the trigeminalvascular theory of migraine. Blood levels of serotonin say NOTHING about its "distribution" in the body and brain, which is what is deemed medically relevant to migraine. SSRIs also increase serotonin in the synapse, but I do not remember their target receptor, and cannot imagine it being the same as a triptan. Finally, triptans are not COMPLETELY without affect at other serotonin receptor subtypes. Drugs are said to have an "affinity" for different receptor subtypes, and this can be quantified in animals. With migraine drugs, one challenge was to increase the affinity of a drug toward the target, WITHOUT mimicking serotonin at other serotonin receptors, particularly in the heart—where vasoconstriction is NOT desirable. Vasoconstriction is an affect of serotonin on blood vessels, but it is still an open question as to whether or not it is the affect responsible for efficacy in aborting a migraine. The triptans have an affinity for their target that is vastly greater than in the heart’s coronary arteries, but I’m sure that many of you remember questioning chest discomforts when taken triptans. I know of no evidence that these are coronary events, and it’s been intensively studied, but the warnings against heart patients using them persists, probably for good reason, as receptor distribution is largely genetic, and there are some rare phenotypes in the general population. Given that these meds. are not "absolutely" specific to their target, anything can happen, but rarely does. I’m not familiar with the "hole in the heart" that you refer to in your post. Jack

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Yes, interesting.  Zomig is my drug of choice and seems to be the best of all I have.  Relpax is my close second…at least of the triptans. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re welcome. But, remember, this is only one theory and there are others. In a decade or so, this may all need revision as that has been the usual case with migraine. It’s been very difficult to get a handle on the underlying mechanism(s) behind an extremely profound and complex problem. Why, for instance, does sumatriptan work at all, as it doesn’t cross the blood/brain barrier? The pro-Imitrex group has stretched long and hard to come up with a barely plausible (IMHO) and theoretical explanation. This developed before taking Imitrex" to "take Imitrex at the first sign of a migraine". OTOH, Zomig does cross the barrier, and the pro-Zomig interests have tried to heavily exploit this fact. But, explanations of its efficacy also have problems. That’s for another day. Jack Jack, thanks for that very thorough and helpful response.  I don’t think I ever quite understood the whole thing.  This gave me a whole lot more understanding about how the serotonin and the triptans work. Michelle Is lack of serotonin in the brain implicated in migraine headaches and is this related to the hole in the heart situation? My understanding is that virtually any anti-depressant raises the pain threshold, thus having the potential to relieve migraine. Elavil (amitriptyline) is one of the most often prescribed. I don’t know if serotonin and SSRIs are specific factors. According to current migraine theory, it’s not the serotonin per se, that is the key, but the receptor subtype where the serotonin is present. The "triptans", as an example, are all serotonin agonists, but are targeted at the serotonin receptor subtype: 5HT-1d(alpha), which is concentrated in a specific location (the trigeminalvascular junction). This fits in nicely with the trigeminalvascular theory of migraine. Blood levels of serotonin say NOTHING about its "distribution" in the body and brain, which is what is deemed medically relevant to migraine. SSRIs also increase serotonin in the synapse, but I do not remember their target receptor, and cannot imagine it being the same as a triptan. Finally, triptans are not COMPLETELY without affect at other serotonin receptor subtypes. Drugs are said to have an "affinity" for different receptor subtypes, and this can be quantified in animals. With migraine drugs, one challenge was to increase the affinity of a drug toward the target, WITHOUT mimicking serotonin at other serotonin receptors, particularly in the heart—where vasoconstriction is NOT desirable. Vasoconstriction is an affect of serotonin on blood vessels, but it is still an open question as to whether or not it is the affect responsible for efficacy in aborting a migraine. The triptans have an affinity for their target that is vastly greater than in the heart’s coronary arteries, but I’m sure that many of you remember questioning chest discomforts when taken triptans. I know of no evidence that these are coronary events, and it’s been intensively studied, but the warnings against heart patients using them persists, probably for good reason, as receptor distribution is largely genetic, and there are some rare phenotypes in the general population. Given that these meds. are not "absolutely" specific to their target, anything can happen, but rarely does. I’m not familiar with the "hole in the heart" that you refer to in your post. Jack

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I used to have frequent migraines but since I started taking serotonin reuptake inhibitors like Prozac (for obsessive compulsive disorder) I hardly ever get a migraine. When I do get an occasional migraine I just take Excedrine Migraine.Is lack of serotonin in the brain implicated in migraine headaches and is this related to the hole in the heart situation?

I also have OCD.  OCD raises the stress levels dramatically and stress can be a major contributor to migraines. I had chronic migraines for over two months before I was able to get my OCD under control with Seroquel.  It was almost a night and day difference and my migraines went from Chronic to almost nothing in about 48 hrs. Erik

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The sin of envy

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Okay, it’s really a rant, sort of. I envy the cats, all four of them. I went to Curves today to beat the you-know-what out of my muscles, and see Roxie, a natural athlete, jump with effortless ease onto the highest shelf in the house, with less exertion than it takes me to open a carton of milk. And she’s thin. I go to work and get the you-know-what beat out of me by my new boss,  Scott Hitler Jr., who takes a sick satisfaction in giving me hell because I insist on wearing natural fibres. And I come home and see Stosh, who doesn’t take crap from anyone, and for whom every waking moment is playtime. He has the remarkable ability to cram a day’s enjoyment into a single minute, and throws himself into play with anything he can get his little paws on. Every day i am forced to be friendly to people who talk trash to me, and I come home to Brandy, the friendliest of all the babies. How does she DO it? I envy her. Nothing bothers her. She is just charming and buddies up to one and all. By the end of a night on the phones I want to answer a call with now?" And since I can’t say it, I get stressed. So how does Brandy do it? And since Louie is always getting me up early while he sleeps in (and I have to go to work later than he) I envy Odessa her beauty rest. No one can sleep with such talent. Sleeping Beauty, the dear little girl. She will stretch herself out in a way that makes sleep look as delectable and sinful as a romantic rendez-vous in a forbidden place. I just want to sleep in! And I’m so flipping tired that I’m sitting here bitching about cat envy. No wonder I go to a shrink. Blessed be, Baha — Three thousand years ago, cats were deified in ancient Egypt. To this day, they have not forgotten.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, it’s really a rant, sort of. I envy the cats, all four of them. I went to Curves today to beat the you-know-what out of my muscles, and see Roxie, a natural athlete, jump with effortless ease onto the highest shelf in the house, with less exertion than it takes me to open a carton of milk. And she’s thin. I go to work and get the you-know-what beat out of me by my new boss,   Scott Hitler Jr., who takes a sick satisfaction in giving me hell because I insist on wearing natural fibres. And I come home and see Stosh, who doesn’t take crap from anyone, and for whom every waking moment is playtime. He has the remarkable ability to cram a day’s enjoyment into a single minute, and throws himself into play with anything he can get his little paws on. Every day i am forced to be friendly to people who talk trash to me, and I come home to Brandy, the friendliest of all the babies. How does she DO it? I envy her. Nothing bothers her. She is just charming and buddies up to one and all. By the end of a night on the phones I want to answer a call with now?" And since I can’t say it, I get stressed. So how does Brandy do it? And since Louie is always getting me up early while he sleeps in (and I have to go to work later than he) I envy Odessa her beauty rest. No one can sleep with such talent. Sleeping Beauty, the dear little girl. She will stretch herself out in a way that makes sleep look as delectable and sinful as a romantic rendez-vous in a forbidden place. I just want to sleep in! And I’m so flipping tired that I’m sitting here bitching about cat envy. No wonder I go to a shrink. Blessed be, Baha

Two visualizations may help:   Cat in psychoanalysis, lying on the back of the therapy couch.   Cat shower. A standard shower stall, with the usual faucets, but a giant tongue in place of the nozzle.

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Omgosh, Baha, it’s so nice to your post — you can make even a rant post poetic!  I’m sorry you’ve had a lot of frustrations recently…I do get the human vs. cat agility comparison but do tell more about this second paragraph and the boss with the "natural fibers hang-ups?"  Maybe you should tell him that if he’ll foot the bill, you’ll be happy to get a complete clothes makeover!  Tell him you’ll be happy to set a date for you to go shopping together; then you tell Louie he’s got to get up early so you can go shopping with your boss! ( Can you tell I’m in a weird mood tonight? ;o) No, tell Louie that you need to catch up on your beauty sleep so you’re going to check into a motel for a night and get some good rest…seriously, though, maybe what you need to do is go to bed really early,  for a few nights so you can get some rest.   Tell Louie he needs to share "early riser" duty with you and ya’ll alternate days.  If, this doesn’t get the follow-through it needs to, then either give him a list of errands he can run for you so you can take a "nap" or you try the motel sleepover thingie on Saturday mornings.  I think the heart of a lot of your stress is being too tired so if you can resolve that successfully I think you won’t feel so overwhelmed and have "cat envy!" Hope this wasn’t too loopy a post — speaking of sleep, I’m really needing to get some right now so g’night and hope things are brighter for you in the next few days. hugs and purrs, Christine (feeling the antihistimines kicking in….lalala, snore)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, it’s really a rant, sort of. I envy the cats, all four of them. I went to Curves today to beat the you-know-what out of my muscles, and see Roxie, a natural athlete, jump with effortless ease onto the highest shelf in the house, with less exertion than it takes me to open a carton of milk. And she’s thin. I go to work and get the you-know-what beat out of me by my new boss, Scott Hitler Jr., who takes a sick satisfaction in giving me hell because I insist on wearing natural fibres. And I come home and see Stosh, who doesn’t take crap from anyone, and for whom every waking moment is playtime. He has the remarkable ability to cram a day’s enjoyment into a single minute, and throws himself into play with anything he can get his little paws on. Every day i am forced to be friendly to people who talk trash to me, and I come home to Brandy, the friendliest of all the babies. How does she DO it? I envy her. Nothing bothers her. She is just charming and buddies up to one and all. By the end of a night on the phones I want to answer a call with now?" And since I can’t say it, I get stressed. So how does Brandy do it? And since Louie is always getting me up early while he sleeps in (and I have to go to work later than he) I envy Odessa her beauty rest. No one can sleep with such talent. Sleeping Beauty, the dear little girl. She will stretch herself out in a way that makes sleep look as delectable and sinful as a romantic rendez-vous in a forbidden place. I just want to sleep in! And I’m so flipping tired that I’m sitting here bitching about cat envy. No wonder I go to a shrink. Blessed be, Baha — Three thousand years ago, cats were deified in ancient Egypt. To this day, they have not forgotten.

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Okay, it’s really a rant, sort of. I envy the cats, all four of them. I went to Curves today to beat the you-know-what out of my muscles, and see Roxie, a natural athlete, jump with effortless ease onto the highest shelf in the house, with less exertion than it takes me to open a carton of milk. And she’s thin.

Oh, I hear ya on this one! Around my sweet, graceful ENERGETIC girls, I feel like a clay elephant, all of whose feet are left ones.  Which naturally makes me want another brownie, which is somewhat self-defeating. I go to work and get the you-know-what beat out of me by my new boss, Scott Hitler Jr., who takes a sick satisfaction in giving me hell because I insist on wearing natural fibres.

What’s HIS problem? If it makes you feel better, I wear natural fibres if at all possible. Especially in warm weather.  Synthetic stuff just does not breathe.  However, I’ve never had to justify this preference to anyone at work.  And I come home and see Stosh, who doesn’t take crap from anyone, and for whom every waking moment is playtime. He has the remarkable ability to cram a day’s enjoyment into a single minute, and throws himself into play with anything he can get his little paws on. Every day i am forced to be friendly to people who talk trash to me, and I come home to Brandy, the friendliest of all the babies. How does she DO it? I envy her. Nothing bothers her. She is just charming and buddies up to one and all. By the end of a night on the phones I want to answer a call with now?" And since I can’t say it, I get stressed. So how does Brandy do it?

Simple–she doesn’t have to answer phones and talk to people who complain all day! Nor does she have to worry about finding jobs, or putting up with irritating people she’d rather not talk to at all. She might be a little grump if she did have to do that. Instead, she gets to lounge around, and then be up, perky and energetic when you come home! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And since Louie is always getting me up early while he sleeps in (and I have to go to work later than he) I envy Odessa her beauty rest. No one can sleep with such talent. Sleeping Beauty, the dear little girl. She will stretch herself out in a way that makes sleep look as delectable and sinful as a romantic rendez-vous in a forbidden place. I just want to sleep in! And I’m so flipping tired that I’m sitting here bitching about cat envy. No wonder I go to a shrink. Blessed be, Baha — Three thousand years ago, cats were deified in ancient Egypt. To this day, they have not forgotten.

I’m an inveterate late sleeper myself by preference. Never met a "Morning person" who didn’t irritate me! Especially the ones who believe their affection for getting up at the crack of sparrow fart by choice makes them candidates for beatification. So, courage Baha. You’re not alone! Melissa

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, it’s really a rant, sort of. I envy the cats, all four of them. I went to Curves today to beat the you-know-what out of my muscles, and see Roxie, a natural athlete, jump with effortless ease onto the highest shelf in the house, with less exertion than it takes me to open a carton of milk. And she’s thin. Oh, I hear ya on this one! Around my sweet, graceful ENERGETIC girls, I feel like a clay elephant, all of whose feet are left ones.  Which naturally makes me want another brownie, which is somewhat self-defeating. I go to work and get the you-know-what beat out of me by my new boss, Scott Hitler Jr., who takes a sick satisfaction in giving me hell because I insist on wearing natural fibres. What’s HIS problem? If it makes you feel better, I wear natural fibres if at all possible. Especially in warm weather.  Synthetic stuff just does not breathe.  However, I’ve never had to justify this preference to anyone at work. And I come home and see Stosh, who doesn’t take crap from anyone, and for whom every waking moment is playtime. He has the remarkable ability to cram a day’s enjoyment into a single minute, and throws himself into play with anything he can get his little paws on. Every day i am forced to be friendly to people who talk trash to me, and I come home to Brandy, the friendliest of all the babies. How does she DO it? I envy her. Nothing bothers her. She is just charming and buddies up to one and all. By the end of a night on the phones I want to answer a call with now?" And since I can’t say it, I get stressed. So how does Brandy do it? Simple–she doesn’t have to answer phones and talk to people who complain all day! Nor does she have to worry about finding jobs, or putting up with irritating people she’d rather not talk to at all. She might be a little grump if she did have to do that. Instead, she gets to lounge around, and then be up, perky and energetic when you come home! And since Louie is always getting me up early while he sleeps in (and I have to go to work later than he) I envy Odessa her beauty rest. No one can sleep with such talent. Sleeping Beauty, the dear little girl. She will stretch herself out in a way that makes sleep look as delectable and sinful as a romantic rendez-vous in a forbidden place. I just want to sleep in! And I’m so flipping tired that I’m sitting here bitching about cat envy. No wonder I go to a shrink. Blessed be, Baha — Three thousand years ago, cats were deified in ancient Egypt. To this day, they have not forgotten. I’m an inveterate late sleeper myself by preference. Never met a "Morning person" who didn’t irritate me! Especially the ones who believe their affection for getting up at the crack of sparrow fart by choice makes them candidates for beatification. So, courage Baha. You’re not alone! Melissa

It gets really tiresome watching "Morning People" act like it is genetically superior.  By this more civilized time of day I feel it is the responsibility of night owls everywhere to stake our claim.  Its easy to make the morning people feel obsessive compulsive about themselves.  (Just don’t try to do it before 2:30 PM.  That’s when most of them hit a wall.) It didn’t take me too long to get it across where I once worked that I do not take meetings before 10AM.  And later is even better.  The whole concept of breakfast meetings is perverse.  But when they are in their jammies at 7pm trying to count their toes, I’m good for at least another five hours work. Jo

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yodeled: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Okay, it’s really a rant, sort of. I envy the cats, all four of them. I went to Curves today to beat the you-know-what out of my muscles, and see Roxie, a natural athlete, jump with effortless ease onto the highest shelf in the house, with less exertion than it takes me to open a carton of milk. And she’s thin. I go to work and get the you-know-what beat out of me by my new boss,  Scott Hitler Jr., who takes a sick satisfaction in giving me hell because I insist on wearing natural fibres. And I come home and see Stosh, who doesn’t take crap from anyone, and for whom every waking moment is playtime. He has the remarkable ability to cram a day’s enjoyment into a single minute, and throws himself into play with anything he can get his little paws on. Every day i am forced to be friendly to people who talk trash to me, and I come home to Brandy, the friendliest of all the babies. How does she DO it? I envy her. Nothing bothers her. She is just charming and buddies up to one and all. By the end of a night on the phones I want to answer a call with now?" And since I can’t say it, I get stressed. So how does Brandy do it? And since Louie is always getting me up early while he sleeps in (and I have to go to work later than he) I envy Odessa her beauty rest. No one can sleep with such talent. Sleeping Beauty, the dear little girl. She will stretch herself out in a way that makes sleep look as delectable and sinful as a romantic rendez-vous in a forbidden place. I just want to sleep in! And I’m so flipping tired that I’m sitting here bitching about cat envy. No wonder I go to a shrink. Blessed be, Baha

I know the feeling.  I wish I could be more like Stinky.  He is like a furry little Buddha. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, it’s really a rant, sort of. I envy the cats, all four of them. I went to Curves today to beat the you-know-what out of my muscles, and see Roxie, a natural athlete, jump with effortless ease onto the highest shelf in the house, with less exertion than it takes me to open a carton of milk. And she’s thin. I go to work and get the you-know-what beat out of me by my new boss, Scott Hitler Jr., who takes a sick satisfaction in giving me hell because I insist on wearing natural fibres. And I come home and see Stosh, who doesn’t take crap from anyone, and for whom every waking moment is playtime. He has the remarkable ability to cram a day’s enjoyment into a single minute, and throws himself into play with anything he can get his little paws on. Every day i am forced to be friendly to people who talk trash to me, and I come home to Brandy, the friendliest of all the babies. How does she DO it? I envy her. Nothing bothers her. She is just charming and buddies up to one and all. By the end of a night on the phones I want to answer a call with now?" And since I can’t say it, I get stressed. So how does Brandy do it? And since Louie is always getting me up early while he sleeps in (and I have to go to work later than he) I envy Odessa her beauty rest. No one can sleep with such talent. Sleeping Beauty, the dear little girl. She will stretch herself out in a way that makes sleep look as delectable and sinful as a romantic rendez-vous in a forbidden place. I just want to sleep in! And I’m so flipping tired that I’m sitting here bitching about cat envy. No wonder I go to a shrink. Blessed be, Baha

Oh, I think all of us here are envious of our cats – after all, we spoil them rotten!  ; Nice to hear from you again, Baha! Hugs, CatNipped – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Three thousand years ago, cats were deified in ancient Egypt. To this day, they have not forgotten.

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It gets really tiresome watching "Morning People" act like it is genetically superior.  By this more civilized time of day I feel it is the responsibility of night owls everywhere to stake our claim.  Its easy to make the morning people feel obsessive compulsive about themselves.  (Just don’t try to do it before 2:30 PM.  That’s when most of them hit a wall.)

ROFL!  Okay, I’ll try not to irritate you.  I’m usually up at 4am and at work, working by 6am.  However, my wall hits at 1pm, and boy does it hit HARD! I even tell my co-workers that my brain turns off and to please leave me with mindless busy-work after then, cause I have no mind. However, I do manage to sleep in on weekends. Often until almost 7am. It didn’t take me too long to get it across where I once worked that I do not take meetings before 10AM.  And later is even better.  The whole concept of breakfast meetings is perverse.  But when they are in their jammies at 7pm trying to count their toes, I’m good for at least another five hours work.

Yup, you have us pegged for sure. I’m in my jammies at 7, watching mindless television and petting my Princess Rita. She expects this. Letterman?  Leno?  Who are they? Jane – owned and operated by Princess Rita

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American Women and Personality Disorders

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http://www.nomarriage.com/ We are talking really serious stuff here. Most American women have at least two serious personality disorders. And having personality disorder(s) and being a good wife are mutually exclusive things. That means American women are completely unfit to be wives and mothers. Histrionic disorder: manipulative, attention seekers, dominate the conversation, use grandiose language, seek constant praise, dress provocatively, exaggerate illnesses in order to gain attention, exaggerate friendships and relationships, believe that everyone loves them. Narcissistic disorder: self-centered, seek attention and praise, take advantage of people, fantasize about success and power, expect favorable treatment, exaggerate achievements, have difficulty maintaining long-lasting relationships, expect others to recognize them as being superior. Many American women also have Dependent, Obsessive-Compulsive, and Borderline disorders. Think about the women you dated and see how many of them had the combination of: mental/biological/genetic problems (defects), tried to kill herself, depressed, mood-swings, arthritic, psychotic breakdowns, unhappy, nutcase, every condition known to man, deranged attention whore. Learn more about personality disorders here. More on Narcissistic disorder, lots of problems with western women are related to it: The only reality which exists for the narcissist is their own, and even when they are repeatedly shown to be wrong or misinformed about something, they will maintain their original stance, despite all contradictory evidence, no matter how compelling. They have no interest in understanding reality, or others. Instead, they project themselves onto the other: – in lieu of internalising the other, they externalise and generalise themselves. It has often been noted here that it is difficult to tell whether the narcissist is stupider or madder, as there are such strong elements of both in their disposition. And the madness is real. The narcissist will twist and distort reality to infinity in order to place themselves at the earth’s center. No amount of objectivity shall be allowed to intefere with this. This is their prime objective, and they will talk any amount of nonsense to achieve it. They don’t care. There is only them, and their prison is a familiar, comfortable zone. It has walls padded with velvety self-deception. So the narcissist is not just weak, stupid, vain and unrealistic. Because if their condition was just a composite of common character flaws, they could change, grow out of it, be reasoned with. Nor is it just an act of will, for when they are shown that their interests are not best served by unflinching selfishness, there is no change. Narcissism is a mental illness – a psychological disease which shares many characteristics with schizophrenia. It is a ’self’ trapped in and constructed solely by infinite self-reflections reiterating to infinity. It cannot change. It cannot be treated. When the window of internalised other closed in childhood, it jammed shut – never to let light in again. NoMarriage.com manual has a comprehensive test to help you determine if your girlfriend will make a good wife. Personality disorders is one of the 10 things that make women to be unfit wives and mothers.

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blah blah blah: translation: American women won’t do all my housework for me, waaaah. ant

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Hi, A different treatment of these issues: http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq34.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/npdglance.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq22.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq66.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq32.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal21.html Take care. Sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.nomarriage.com/

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Which is worse: the guy who wastes bandwidth with an off-topic misogynist post, or the moron who repeatedly has to point out the obvious in useless follow-ups.

Or the moron who follows up with more follow-ups after he’s is aware of the follow-up?  Catchy ain’t it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Proud to be a wreckless driver! http://www.geocities.com/scottenaztlan/

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my day

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I took 20 mg zyprexa last night, so I could get back on sleep schedule.   I think I’ll try that again tonight.  My doctor is raising my daily dose to 15 mg.  I have an appointment in mid October. I guess the Lexapro is starting to kick in, cause I feel better today. I am going to order some clothes and get ready for a job.  I don’t need a portable amp or anything, but I could use a newer computer.  I will get some burgers and apple pies in a few minutes.  I guess I’ll watch the debate at 8 pm. m.

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AI wrote: >   later anita > ps heres hoping tommorrow is better for you, and may you get pleasantly > drunk tonight

You should drink with me sometime (online of course).  I’m thinking about getting some Sherry or Guinness.  After I get drunk, I can switch to cheap beer. have a good evening, michael

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"Lone Deranger" <l…@example.com> wrote in message

news:FU_9d.715$Bw1.540@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net… > AI wrote: > >   later anita > > ps heres hoping tommorrow is better for you, and may you get pleasantly > > drunk tonight > You should drink with me sometime (online of course).  I’m thinking > about getting some Sherry or Guinness.  After I get drunk, I can switch > to cheap beer. > have a good evening, > michael

   have a good evening michael    anita

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>fuck you, you fucking fuck, they keep saying.  so now i’m back home and >need to pick up something to drink (preferably alchoholic) >my FDO streams of conciousness, >michael

i am having alot of voices too just a annoyance i try my best to ignore them i hate taking meds cuz they dull me so much , but i am doing everything i can to not get sucked in by that bullshit i hope it gets better for you and us bought some beer today i have been drinking wine but it does not calm me that much beer seems to be working better

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>I don’t make sense to myself either.  Perhaps I should stop surfing porn. >michael

you are making sense to me for the most part

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news:ux_9d.7865$UP1.7250@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> AI wrote: > >     michael i am so sorry you are having such a bad day what are you taking > > that is supposed to help with the voices or are you taking anything? > I am taking 10 mg Zyprexa (for the voices) and 10 mg Lexapro (for major > depression).  I have schizophrenia, OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder), > AvPD (avoidant personality disorder), and major depression with > psychotic features, depending on who you talk to.  My voices say I’m a > schizo only. > >     what is FDO? > inside joke.  reminds me of the young lady in the hospital who had an > airbrushed shirt with a strange saying.  she told us it was an inside > joke.  i was like WTF, who can appreciate it then.  perhaps it’s art for > art’s sake. > >    anita > > ps you gotto stop watching CSI i cant understand what you write anymore. > I don’t make sense to myself either.  Perhaps I should stop surfing porn. > michael

    wow michael, you sound offically screwd to me. all that i just have severe depression which i am supposed to take 20 mgs of lexapro for but dont and schizoprhenia which my ablify helps greatly with more than zyprexa ever did. and there is no weight gain. i always mention weight gain when thinking of zyprexa it put 20 pounds on me. still mad at the drug. i may get over my dislike for the drug one day.    if the zyprexa aint working the way it is you need to talk to your doctor about uping the dose. hearing voices that bad aint good.   later anita ps heres hoping tommorrow is better for you, and may you get pleasantly drunk tonight

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AI wrote: >     michael i am so sorry you are having such a bad day what are you taking > that is supposed to help with the voices or are you taking anything?

I am taking 10 mg Zyprexa (for the voices) and 10 mg Lexapro (for major depression).  I have schizophrenia, OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder), AvPD (avoidant personality disorder), and major depression with psychotic features, depending on who you talk to.  My voices say I’m a schizo only. >     what is FDO?

inside joke.  reminds me of the young lady in the hospital who had an airbrushed shirt with a strange saying.  she told us it was an inside joke.  i was like WTF, who can appreciate it then.  perhaps it’s art for art’s sake. >    anita > ps you gotto stop watching CSI i cant understand what you write anymore.

I don’t make sense to myself either.  Perhaps I should stop surfing porn. michael

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Journal Entry 31337: Today I was paranoid as fuck.  It sucked.  I left the house to go nearby the mall.  I was hearing voices bad.  fuck you, you fucking fuck.  they (fucking idiots the voices they are) say stuff like that.  anyways i smoked 2 cigars in the car.  i look like a middle class person, smoking my smokes in my semi-fancy sports car. (it’s not really a sports car, but it has a sports car effects package, stock not aftermarket) So … where were we? … i go to the bookstore and skipped the pipe store, due to paranoia and lack of funds.  i bought Vineland by Thomas Pynchon.  should be an interesting book, esp for only 6 dollars. (i am currently reading Fight Club by Pahalniuk, very good read!) then i went by radio shack and got a modem adaptor cable.  this will let me log on the internet with BeOS. fuck you, you fucking fuck, they keep saying.  so now i’m back home and need to pick up something to drink (preferably alchoholic) my FDO streams of conciousness, michael

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news:WGZ9d.564$Bw1.203@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Journal Entry 31337: > Today I was paranoid as fuck.  It sucked.  I left the house to go nearby > the mall.  I was hearing voices bad.  fuck you, you fucking fuck.  they > (fucking idiots the voices they are) say stuff like that.  anyways i > smoked 2 cigars in the car.  i look like a middle class person, smoking > my smokes in my semi-fancy sports car. (it’s not really a sports car, > but it has a sports car effects package, stock not aftermarket) > So … where were we? … i go to the bookstore and skipped the pipe > store, due to paranoia and lack of funds.  i bought Vineland by Thomas > Pynchon.  should be an interesting book, esp for only 6 dollars. (i am > currently reading Fight Club by Pahalniuk, very good read!) then i went > by radio shack and got a modem adaptor cable.  this will let me log on > the internet with BeOS. > fuck you, you fucking fuck, they keep saying.  so now i’m back home and > need to pick up something to drink (preferably alchoholic) > my FDO streams of conciousness, > michael

    michael i am so sorry you are having such a bad day what are you taking that is supposed to help with the voices or are you taking anything?     what is FDO?    anita ps you gotto stop watching CSI i cant understand what you write anymore.

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Just Me wrote: > If your doctor wants you to take 15 mg, then you should just take that. > I’ve found that when it comes to the antipsychotic, the body works best on > the same amount everyday.  Its not good to up the dose to feel less nervous > or to get some sleep.  I’ve tried taking more and less of it and it seemed > to have a bad effect.  What you might need is some other medication that > specifically treats side effects or anxiety.

I have a pretty sweet deal where my shrink discloses my poverty to Janssen and they load me up with four months’ worth of free meds at a time.  I take 5mg, so I got 120 3mg tabs and 120 2mg ones.  She also had some 0.5 mg samples and told me to take them in addition to my regular dose if I ever feel that I need it.  So some shrinks will recommend that sort of thing. Regards, Art Monk

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If your doctor wants you to take 15 mg, then you should just take that. I’ve found that when it comes to the antipsychotic, the body works best on the same amount everyday.  Its not good to up the dose to feel less nervous or to get some sleep.  I’ve tried taking more and less of it and it seemed to have a bad effect.  What you might need is some other medication that specifically treats side effects or anxiety. "Lone Deranger" <l…@example.com> wrote in message

news:0MF8d.3702$UP1.1469@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I took 20 mg zyprexa last night, so I could get back on sleep schedule. I >think I’ll try that again tonight.  My doctor is raising my daily dose to >15 mg.  I have an appointment in mid October. > I guess the Lexapro is starting to kick in, cause I feel better today. I > am going to order some clothes and get ready for a job.  I don’t need a > portable amp or anything, but I could use a newer computer.  I will get > some burgers and apple pies in a few minutes.  I guess I’ll watch the > debate at 8 pm. > m.

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   wiggly, thanks for the advice. i am going to be careful about my weight loss. once many years ago i started making myself throw up trying to lose weight. i didnt even truelly realize what i was doing. i got to thinking that the food was making me sick. thinking that was why i was throwing up. i was doing it on a subconsious level. until one night i got drunk and told someone what i was doing. i got yelled at sorta the following day and stopped doing it. i plan to watch what i eat and excersise a little every day.    but i do have a small frame and when i weighed 110 i did look the best i have ever looked. i then looked hot. i would like to look like that again one day though i am two years older and gravity is taking its affect on certain parts of me. i am doing certain excersises to try to overcome gravity. i just would love to wear at least a size 8 again. i looked fairly hot then. my face wont change to beautiful but i can work on the rest of me. i have what many call a cute face. i am blabbering again sorry. some times i start and cant shut myslef up. sorry.     my point through all this is i will be careful. i want to be healthy. and i am not at the weight i am now. staying at 130 or so really aint a problem for me it is just getting there. i just have to avoid the dreaded choclate cake now and then that comes along. they are so yummy. hard as heck to resist. but i must my body is older now and dont burn the calories like it used to.    thanks for the advice again. i will be careful not to do anything unhealthy for me.     later anita "wiggly lumber" <d…@arithmetic.com> wrote in message

news:1139rvs3m874eb6@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Anita: > Try not to get obsessed about your weight and become anorexic or bullimic. > That’s some bad, bad shit if it happens to you.  Get down to about 130 and > be satisfied with that.  And don’t forget that the goal is not dieting but > lifelong weight *management*, which means continuing to eat healthy and with > balanced portions even after you’re at your target weight. > Don’t listen to one-size-fits-all weight recommendations from amateurs who > haven’t examined you in person.  Some people are naturally heavier than > others. > -wl > "pines" <yawnball@scratching post.com> wrote in message > news:gG0Zd.132476$Th1.3497@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… > > i am still trying to lose weight so i am now doing yet again a mile a day > > on the treadmill. i gave it up for awhile but i am back to it again. i did > > a > > mile and a half yesterday and so far a mile today. and i bought this > > disgusting tasting weight loss drinks. slim rite from Kroger. YUCK! but i > > have now found a way to drink the buggers, i slug them down that way i get > > little of the taste in my mouth. they when i taste them want to gag a > > little. i have the cigs licked i think so now i am focusing yet again on > > my > > weight loss. i am trying to get under 170 by the time my trip comes > > around. > > i bravely say. i dont like mentioning my weight but mentioning my cig > > quitting helped so maybe annoucing my weight and my weight loss plans will > > help as well. it inspires me a little more. i currently weigh 173 > > according > > to the new scales i got. i weighed 176 a week ago. 4 pounds i need to lose > > minimum in one month. i am so hoping i can do it. with the weight loss > > drinks in substiution of one to two meals a day and doing at least a mile > > a > > day on the treadmill i think i can do it. my voices which are minimum > > anymore somewhat disagree with me on this. they are annoying little > > critters. a friend sent me a link yesterday which should me what i am > > supposed to weigh according to the experts. it said i should have over > > 1400 > > calories a day which i am limiting myself to 1200 or less a day. and that > > i > > should weigh 108 to 116 . according to them i am obese weighing 60 pounds > > over what i should. i weighed 105 for awhile two years ago and i looked > > good. though everyone said i was to skinny and told me to gain some weight > > which i did. wish i hadnt listened to them now. this time i am not going > > to > > listen to my parents on how i look i am going to go by what feels right to > > me! > >    sorry if i bored you just wanted to share hoping it would inspire me > > like i said to lose the weight and be at a healthy weight yet again. > >    thanks for reading and have a nice day if possible! > >   later anita

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"Just Me" <thecli…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:T18Zd.10098$cN6.55@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… > I predict that in the future, the cell phones that take photos will be > what everyone takes most of their average quality pictures with and the > cameras will be phased out.

The same may be true of video cameras.  Already you have digital still cameras that shoot video and are much smaller than camcorders.  The limitation is not the guts of the technology but how many buttons/options you can put on something as small as a cellphone. I am wondering how far away we are from the ever-elusive video telephone. It’s been discussed since the 1950s or 1960s, but despite everything else being done with telephones, we still don’t have a phone where you can look at a still or moving image of the person you’re talking to. -wl

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>    sorry talkative again. later michael

130 sounds nice.  i think a few extra pounds can be very sexy.  i had a couple of friends who were in a big peoples group in Georgia.  there are apparently plenty of men (and women) who like larger women (and men), and it was interesting. >    hugs anita > ps how are you feeling michael?

i am OK.  looking for a job. how are you doing? m.

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> <chesucat hisses and yowls at gravity>

what did i do?  i already apologized for my rudely insensitive, but completely in character, comment. m.

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"gravity" <grav…@example.net> wrote in message

news:%FbZd.3332$qf2.3214@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… > i am OK.  looking for a job.

Are you encountering any of the same problems Ches is?  IIRC you have a pretty good work history. -wl

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   Just Me, i have thought about this on and off today and i have decided not to post a picture of myself. put it off to me being shy but i dont really want to expose myself like that right now. the only pictures i have on the computer of myself is two first off. one at or about the weight i am now and the other one where i am skinny. but neither one do i feel comfortable showing here. sorry i just cant do it. though i did seriously think about it for awhile but no sorry.    have a nice night Just Me,    later anita "Just Me" <thecli…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:T18Zd.10098$cN6.55@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Pines, > You could post a picture of yourself on this newsgroup like Michelle did. > She posted one that only showed her lower face so I guess no one could > identify her if they were trying to. > I predict that in the future, the cell phones that take photos will be what > everyone takes most of their average quality pictures with and the cameras > will be phased out. > Just Me > "pines" <yawnball@scratching post.com> wrote in message > news:Ro7Zd.383385$w62.251989@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… > >   i would like to clarify. when i say i looked hot that is just something > > i > > thought. i was dating or anything at the time so there was no one else to > > agree with that. just in my own mind i looked good. for all i know i > > looked > > bad. but i wore a size 4 and i thought i looked trim at the time. > >   just clarifying that it was all in my own mind. i admit to feeling stuck > > up at the time as well. though i was still shy and talked to know one. i > > was > > more scared of people then than i am today. and i of course wore > > conservative clothing. i dont really go for revealing skin. anyhow that is > > all. > >   have a woderful day if possible > >   later anita > > ps i write a lot sometimes sorry. i am in a talkative mood is all. later > > gators > > "pines" <yawnball@scratching post.com> wrote in message > > news:q67Zd.383294$w62.378900@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… > >>    wiggly, > >> thanks for the advice. i am going to be careful about my weight loss. > >> once > >> many years ago i started making myself throw up trying to lose weight. i > >> didnt even truelly realize what i was doing. i got to thinking that the > > food > >> was making me sick. thinking that was why i was throwing up. i was doing > > it > >> on a subconsious level. until one night i got drunk and told someone what > > i > >> was doing. i got yelled at sorta the following day and stopped doing it. > >> i > >> plan to watch what i eat and excersise a little every day. > >>    but i do have a small frame and when i weighed 110 i did look the best > > i > >> have ever looked. i then looked hot. i would like to look like that again > >> one day though i am two years older and gravity is taking its affect on > >> certain parts of me. i am doing certain excersises to try to overcome > >> gravity. i just would love to wear at least a size 8 again. i looked > > fairly > >> hot then. my face wont change to beautiful but i can work on the rest of > > me. > >> i have what many call a cute face. i am blabbering again sorry. some > >> times > > i > >> start and cant shut myslef up. sorry. > >>     my point through all this is i will be careful. i want to be healthy. > >> and i am not at the weight i am now. staying at 130 or so really aint a > >> problem for me it is just getting there. i just have to avoid the dreaded > >> choclate cake now and then that comes along. they are so yummy. hard as > > heck > >> to resist. but i must my body is older now and dont burn the calories > >> like > >> it used to. > >>    thanks for the advice again. i will be careful not to do anything > >> unhealthy for me. > >>     later anita > >> "wiggly lumber" <d…@arithmetic.com> wrote in message > >> news:1139rvs3m874eb6@corp.supernews.com… > >> > Anita: > >> > Try not to get obsessed about your weight and become anorexic or > > bullimic. > >> > That’s some bad, bad shit if it happens to you.  Get down to about 130 > > and > >> > be satisfied with that.  And don’t forget that the goal is not dieting > > but > >> > lifelong weight *management*, which means continuing to eat healthy and > >> with > >> > balanced portions even after you’re at your target weight. > >> > Don’t listen to one-size-fits-all weight recommendations from amateurs > > who > >> > haven’t examined you in person.  Some people are naturally heavier than > >> > others. > >> > -wl > >> > "pines" <yawnball@scratching post.com> wrote in message > >> > news:gG0Zd.132476$Th1.3497@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… > >> > > i am still trying to lose weight so i am now doing yet again a mile a > >> day > >> > > on the treadmill. i gave it up for awhile but i am back to it again. > >> > > i > >> did > >> > > a > >> > > mile and a half yesterday and so far a mile today. and i bought this > >> > > disgusting tasting weight loss drinks. slim rite from Kroger. YUCK! > > but > >> i > >> > > have now found a way to drink the buggers, i slug them down that way > >> > > i > >> get > >> > > little of the taste in my mouth. they when i taste them want to gag a > >> > > little. i have the cigs licked i think so now i am focusing yet again > > on > >> > > my > >> > > weight loss. i am trying to get under 170 by the time my trip comes > >> > > around. > >> > > i bravely say. i dont like mentioning my weight but mentioning my cig > >> > > quitting helped so maybe annoucing my weight and my weight loss plans > >> will > >> > > help as well. it inspires me a little more. i currently weigh 173 > >> > > according > >> > > to the new scales i got. i weighed 176 a week ago. 4 pounds i need to > >> lose > >> > > minimum in one month. i am so hoping i can do it. with the weight > >> > > loss > >> > > drinks in substiution of one to two meals a day and doing at least a > >> mile > >> > > a > >> > > day on the treadmill i think i can do it. my voices which are minimum > >> > > anymore somewhat disagree with me on this. they are annoying little > >> > > critters. a friend sent me a link yesterday which should me what i am > >> > > supposed to weigh according to the experts. it said i should have > >> > > over > >> > > 1400 > >> > > calories a day which i am limiting myself to 1200 or less a day. and > >> that > >> > > i > >> > > should weigh 108 to 116 . according to them i am obese weighing 60 > >> pounds > >> > > over what i should. i weighed 105 for awhile two years ago and i > > looked > >> > > good. though everyone said i was to skinny and told me to gain some > >> weight > >> > > which i did. wish i hadnt listened to them now. this time i am not > > going > >> > > to > >> > > listen to my parents on how i look i am going to go by what feels > > right > >> to > >> > > me! > >> > >    sorry if i bored you just wanted to share hoping it would inspire > > me > >> > > like i said to lose the weight and be at a healthy weight yet again. > >> > >    thanks for reading and have a nice day if possible! > >> > >   later anita

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   michael, i agree with the weight those experts put me at as weighing. i was checked one time by a girl at Nutri System and she said my ideal weight would be 117. i hope to achieve that again one day. but now i am just shooting for 130 to 140. i can relax a little when i get there. and i weighed myself a little bit ago while naked and i weighed 171 naked. it is 173 clothed. i am going now by the naked because that is what i actually weigh. i need to lose 2 more pounds minimum before my trip. then i will feel better. i am very hopeful i can achieve this goal. i have a month . i am actually planning on 2 pounds a week. but that aint set in stone. i dont watn to depress myself if i dont lose that every week. just 31 pounds to go to hit 140 is all. i can do it. done it before though i still weigh more than i ever have before in my life. the max i weighed before last year was 155 when i was 17. i am a big girl right now. i will admitt to that. way to much choclate milk last year.    sorry talkative again. later michael    hugs anita ps how are you feeling michael? "gravity" <grav…@example.net> wrote in message

news:xr6Zd.3027$qf2.1372@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Don’t listen to one-size-fits-all weight recommendations from amateurs who > > haven’t examined you in person.  Some people are naturally heavier than > > others. > those aren’t amateurs who create those guidelines.  however, they are often > a simple weight-height function, which is inadequate.  it’s cheap and easy > to get a caliper or other form of fat percentage check.  i did a full workup > when i ran track. > m.

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Pines, You could post a picture of yourself on this newsgroup like Michelle did. She posted one that only showed her lower face so I guess no one could identify her if they were trying to. I predict that in the future, the cell phones that take photos will be what everyone takes most of their average quality pictures with and the cameras will be phased out. Just Me "pines" <yawnball@scratching post.com> wrote in message

news:Ro7Zd.383385$w62.251989@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->   i would like to clarify. when i say i looked hot that is just something > i > thought. i was dating or anything at the time so there was no one else to > agree with that. just in my own mind i looked good. for all i know i > looked > bad. but i wore a size 4 and i thought i looked trim at the time. >   just clarifying that it was all in my own mind. i admit to feeling stuck > up at the time as well. though i was still shy and talked to know one. i > was > more scared of people then than i am today. and i of course wore > conservative clothing. i dont really go for revealing skin. anyhow that is > all. >   have a woderful day if possible >   later anita > ps i write a lot sometimes sorry. i am in a talkative mood is all. later > gators > "pines" <yawnball@scratching post.com> wrote in message > news:q67Zd.383294$w62.378900@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… >>    wiggly, >> thanks for the advice. i am going to be careful about my weight loss. >> once >> many years ago i started making myself throw up trying to lose weight. i >> didnt even truelly realize what i was doing. i got to thinking that the > food >> was making me sick. thinking that was why i was throwing up. i was doing > it >> on a subconsious level. until one night i got drunk and told someone what > i >> was doing. i got yelled at sorta the following day and stopped doing it. >> i >> plan to watch what i eat and excersise a little every day. >>    but i do have a small frame and when i weighed 110 i did look the best > i >> have ever looked. i then looked hot. i would like to look like that again >> one day though i am two years older and gravity is taking its affect on >> certain parts of me. i am doing certain excersises to try to overcome >> gravity. i just would love to wear at least a size 8 again. i looked > fairly >> hot then. my face wont change to beautiful but i can work on the rest of > me. >> i have what many call a cute face. i am blabbering again sorry. some >> times > i >> start and cant shut myslef up. sorry. >>     my point through all this is i will be careful. i want to be healthy. >> and i am not at the weight i am now. staying at 130 or so really aint a >> problem for me it is just getting there. i just have to avoid the dreaded >> choclate cake now and then that comes along. they are so yummy. hard as > heck >> to resist. but i must my body is older now and dont burn the calories >> like >> it used to. >>    thanks for the advice again. i will be careful not to do anything >> unhealthy for me. >>     later anita >> "wiggly lumber" <d…@arithmetic.com> wrote in message >> news:1139rvs3m874eb6@corp.supernews.com… >> > Anita: >> > Try not to get obsessed about your weight and become anorexic or > bullimic. >> > That’s some bad, bad shit if it happens to you.  Get down to about 130 > and >> > be satisfied with that.  And don’t forget that the goal is not dieting > but >> > lifelong weight *management*, which means continuing to eat healthy and >> with >> > balanced portions even after you’re at your target weight. >> > Don’t listen to one-size-fits-all weight recommendations from amateurs > who >> > haven’t examined you in person.  Some people are naturally heavier than >> > others. >> > -wl >> > "pines" <yawnball@scratching post.com> wrote in message >> > news:gG0Zd.132476$Th1.3497@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… >> > > i am still trying to lose weight so i am now doing yet again a mile a >> day >> > > on the treadmill. i gave it up for awhile but i am back to it again. >> > > i >> did >> > > a >> > > mile and a half yesterday and so far a mile today. and i bought this >> > > disgusting tasting weight loss drinks. slim rite from Kroger. YUCK! > but >> i >> > > have now found a way to drink the buggers, i slug them down that way >> > > i >> get >> > > little of the taste in my mouth. they when i taste them want to gag a >> > > little. i have the cigs licked i think so now i am focusing yet again > on >> > > my >> > > weight loss. i am trying to get under 170 by the time my trip comes >> > > around. >> > > i bravely say. i dont like mentioning my weight but mentioning my cig >> > > quitting helped so maybe annoucing my weight and my weight loss plans >> will >> > > help as well. it inspires me a little more. i currently weigh 173 >> > > according >> > > to the new scales i got. i weighed 176 a week ago. 4 pounds i need to >> lose >> > > minimum in one month. i am so hoping i can do it. with the weight >> > > loss >> > > drinks in substiution of one to two meals a day and doing at least a >> mile >> > > a >> > > day on the treadmill i think i can do it. my voices which are minimum >> > > anymore somewhat disagree with me on this. they are annoying little >> > > critters. a friend sent me a link yesterday which should me what i am >> > > supposed to weigh according to the experts. it said i should have >> > > over >> > > 1400 >> > > calories a day which i am limiting myself to 1200 or less a day. and >> that >> > > i >> > > should weigh 108 to 116 . according to them i am obese weighing 60 >> pounds >> > > over what i should. i weighed 105 for awhile two years ago and i > looked >> > > good. though everyone said i was to skinny and told me to gain some >> weight >> > > which i did. wish i hadnt listened to them now. this time i am not > going >> > > to >> > > listen to my parents on how i look i am going to go by what feels > right >> to >> > > me! >> > >    sorry if i bored you just wanted to share hoping it would inspire > me >> > > like i said to lose the weight and be at a healthy weight yet again. >> > >    thanks for reading and have a nice day if possible! >> > >   later anita

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   i would like to clarify. when i say i looked hot that is just something i thought. i was dating or anything at the time so there was no one else to agree with that. just in my own mind i looked good. for all i know i looked bad. but i wore a size 4 and i thought i looked trim at the time.    just clarifying that it was all in my own mind. i admit to feeling stuck up at the time as well. though i was still shy and talked to know one. i was more scared of people then than i am today. and i of course wore conservative clothing. i dont really go for revealing skin. anyhow that is all.    have a woderful day if possible    later anita ps i write a lot sometimes sorry. i am in a talkative mood is all. later gators "pines" <yawnball@scratching post.com> wrote in message

news:q67Zd.383294$w62.378900@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->    wiggly, > thanks for the advice. i am going to be careful about my weight loss. once > many years ago i started making myself throw up trying to lose weight. i > didnt even truelly realize what i was doing. i got to thinking that the food > was making me sick. thinking that was why i was throwing up. i was doing it > on a subconsious level. until one night i got drunk and told someone what i > was doing. i got yelled at sorta the following day and stopped doing it. i > plan to watch what i eat and excersise a little every day. >    but i do have a small frame and when i weighed 110 i did look the best i > have ever looked. i then looked hot. i would like to look like that again > one day though i am two years older and gravity is taking its affect on > certain parts of me. i am doing certain excersises to try to overcome > gravity. i just would love to wear at least a size 8 again. i looked fairly > hot then. my face wont change to beautiful but i can work on the rest of me. > i have what many call a cute face. i am blabbering again sorry. some times i > start and cant shut myslef up. sorry. >     my point through all this is i will be careful. i want to be healthy. > and i am not at the weight i am now. staying at 130 or so really aint a > problem for me it is just getting there. i just have to avoid the dreaded > choclate cake now and then that comes along. they are so yummy. hard as heck > to resist. but i must my body is older now and dont burn the calories like > it used to. >    thanks for the advice again. i will be careful not to do anything > unhealthy for me. >     later anita > "wiggly lumber" <d…@arithmetic.com> wrote in message > news:1139rvs3m874eb6@corp.supernews.com… > > Anita: > > Try not to get obsessed about your weight and become anorexic or bullimic. > > That’s some bad, bad shit if it happens to you.  Get down to about 130 and > > be satisfied with that.  And don’t forget that the goal is not dieting but > > lifelong weight *management*, which means continuing to eat healthy and > with > > balanced portions even after you’re at your target weight. > > Don’t listen to one-size-fits-all weight recommendations from amateurs who > > haven’t examined you in person.  Some people are naturally heavier than > > others. > > -wl > > "pines" <yawnball@scratching post.com> wrote in message > > news:gG0Zd.132476$Th1.3497@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… > > > i am still trying to lose weight so i am now doing yet again a mile a > day > > > on the treadmill. i gave it up for awhile but i am back to it again. i > did > > > a > > > mile and a half yesterday and so far a mile today. and i bought this > > > disgusting tasting weight loss drinks. slim rite from Kroger. YUCK! but > i > > > have now found a way to drink the buggers, i slug them down that way i > get > > > little of the taste in my mouth. they when i taste them want to gag a > > > little. i have the cigs licked i think so now i am focusing yet again on > > > my > > > weight loss. i am trying to get under 170 by the time my trip comes > > > around. > > > i bravely say. i dont like mentioning my weight but mentioning my cig > > > quitting helped so maybe annoucing my weight and my weight loss plans > will > > > help as well. it inspires me a little more. i currently weigh 173 > > > according > > > to the new scales i got. i weighed 176 a week ago. 4 pounds i need to > lose > > > minimum in one month. i am so hoping i can do it. with the weight loss > > > drinks in substiution of one to two meals a day and doing at least a > mile > > > a > > > day on the treadmill i think i can do it. my voices which are minimum > > > anymore somewhat disagree with me on this. they are annoying little > > > critters. a friend sent me a link yesterday which should me what i am > > > supposed to weigh according to the experts. it said i should have over > > > 1400 > > > calories a day which i am limiting myself to 1200 or less a day. and > that > > > i > > > should weigh 108 to 116 . according to them i am obese weighing 60 > pounds > > > over what i should. i weighed 105 for awhile two years ago and i looked > > > good. though everyone said i was to skinny and told me to gain some > weight > > > which i did. wish i hadnt listened to them now. this time i am not going > > > to > > > listen to my parents on how i look i am going to go by what feels right > to > > > me! > > >    sorry if i bored you just wanted to share hoping it would inspire me > > > like i said to lose the weight and be at a healthy weight yet again. > > >    thanks for reading and have a nice day if possible! > > >   later anita

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> Don’t listen to one-size-fits-all weight recommendations from amateurs who > haven’t examined you in person.  Some people are naturally heavier than > others.

those aren’t amateurs who create those guidelines.  however, they are often a simple weight-height function, which is inadequate.  it’s cheap and easy to get a caliper or other form of fat percentage check.  i did a full workup when i ran track. m.

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Anita: Try not to get obsessed about your weight and become anorexic or bullimic. That’s some bad, bad shit if it happens to you.  Get down to about 130 and be satisfied with that.  And don’t forget that the goal is not dieting but lifelong weight *management*, which means continuing to eat healthy and with balanced portions even after you’re at your target weight. Don’t listen to one-size-fits-all weight recommendations from amateurs who haven’t examined you in person.  Some people are naturally heavier than others. -wl "pines" <yawnball@scratching post.com> wrote in message

news:gG0Zd.132476$Th1.3497@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> i am still trying to lose weight so i am now doing yet again a mile a day > on the treadmill. i gave it up for awhile but i am back to it again. i did > a > mile and a half yesterday and so far a mile today. and i bought this > disgusting tasting weight loss drinks. slim rite from Kroger. YUCK! but i > have now found a way to drink the buggers, i slug them down that way i get > little of the taste in my mouth. they when i taste them want to gag a > little. i have the cigs licked i think so now i am focusing yet again on > my > weight loss. i am trying to get under 170 by the time my trip comes > around. > i bravely say. i dont like mentioning my weight but mentioning my cig > quitting helped so maybe annoucing my weight and my weight loss plans will > help as well. it inspires me a little more. i currently weigh 173 > according > to the new scales i got. i weighed 176 a week ago. 4 pounds i need to lose > minimum in one month. i am so hoping i can do it. with the weight loss > drinks in substiution of one to two meals a day and doing at least a mile > a > day on the treadmill i think i can do it. my voices which are minimum > anymore somewhat disagree with me on this. they are annoying little > critters. a friend sent me a link yesterday which should me what i am > supposed to weigh according to the experts. it said i should have over > 1400 > calories a day which i am limiting myself to 1200 or less a day. and that > i > should weigh 108 to 116 . according to them i am obese weighing 60 pounds > over what i should. i weighed 105 for awhile two years ago and i looked > good. though everyone said i was to skinny and told me to gain some weight > which i did. wish i hadnt listened to them now. this time i am not going > to > listen to my parents on how i look i am going to go by what feels right to > me! >    sorry if i bored you just wanted to share hoping it would inspire me > like i said to lose the weight and be at a healthy weight yet again. >    thanks for reading and have a nice day if possible! >   later anita

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"pines" <yawnball@scratching post.com> wrote in news:gG0Zd.132476$Th1.3497@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->  i am still trying to lose weight so i am now doing yet again a mile a >  day > on the treadmill. i gave it up for awhile but i am back to it again. i > did a mile and a half yesterday and so far a mile today. and i bought > this disgusting tasting weight loss drinks. slim rite from Kroger. > YUCK! but i have now found a way to drink the buggers, i slug them > down that way i get little of the taste in my mouth. they when i taste > them want to gag a little. i have the cigs licked i think so now i am > focusing yet again on my weight loss. i am trying to get under 170 by > the time my trip comes around. i bravely say. i dont like mentioning > my weight but mentioning my cig quitting helped so maybe annoucing my > weight and my weight loss plans will help as well. it inspires me a > little more. i currently weigh 173 according to the new scales i got. > i weighed 176 a week ago. 4 pounds i need to lose minimum in one > month. i am so hoping i can do it. with the weight loss drinks in > substiution of one to two meals a day and doing at least a mile a day > on the treadmill i think i can do it. my voices which are minimum > anymore somewhat disagree with me on this. they are annoying little > critters. a friend sent me a link yesterday which should me what i am > supposed to weigh according to the experts. it said i should have over > 1400 calories a day which i am limiting myself to 1200 or less a day. > and that i should weigh 108 to 116 . according to them i am obese > weighing 60 pounds over what i should. i weighed 105 for awhile two > years ago and i looked good. though everyone said i was to skinny and > told me to gain some weight which i did. wish i hadnt listened to them > now. this time i am not going to listen to my parents on how i look i > am going to go by what feels right to me! >     sorry if i bored you just wanted to share hoping it would inspire >     me > like i said to lose the weight and be at a healthy weight yet again. >     thanks for reading and have a nice day if possible! >    later anita

Thanks for the update Anita. I have the smoking problem myself now. I tend to start up every few years, although it was seven years without smoking this time. You mention your weight loss goal, and I did hear a funny one about that. Women that are worried about what kind of exercise the can do to lose the weight could just take up belly dancing and they would be just as happy, funny isn