daydreaming!
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– TC3
: This may seem an odd question but I’ve noticed since I’ve started : taking luvox that I never daydream anymore. I seem completely : incapable of doing so, not that I want to. : But I was wondering if anyone eles has had this reaction to any : medications they have tried. : Its a great relief because I couldn’t stop daydreaming and found it : very difficult to focus on things. For as long as I can remember I : have always spent to much time doing this and couldn’t stop. : As a teenager I daydreamed alot as a way of coping to get away from my : family. We went to this Baptist church(same shit told to me as you) and the pastor droned on so damn long that I would weave very crafty stories in my mind (probably started enjoy your youth in a "real" way…. I hated my home life. My father and his brothers brought our : families up like a religious cult. My sisters and I always had to do : stupid things, dress differently, act differently and live like : outcasts to the rest of the world because my dad and Uncles always : said everyone eles was evil and if we were like them we would go to : hell. : I grew up with alot of emotional blackmail and putdowns everytime I : tried to be myself. We weren’t allowed to ever have opionions That is so wrong <sad for you . I just : couldn’t handle it. And became so withdrawn into myself daydreaming or : going for long walks and being alone alot. : I’ve forgotten how to live my life because it has been a dream for so : long. I hope this can be a really positive step in learning how to : enjoy life now as first hand experience, and not watch it pass me by : hidden by a fenced up wall of fantasy world. That fantasy world is good to destress or to rest your mind (thinking of good things) but yes, life is to live…..and no matter what you learned back then(or was told) I think we have a big margin for error in God’s eyes…..(I think anyway) : I don’t think parents relise how much they can stuff up our heads I’m : still trying to find what a normal life is. Luckily I have had a : patient husband who understands. You are very fortunate to have a good H who understands….. I hope you continue to find strength Cathy. Love Cheryl
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He would need inspector gadget arms to do this as he usually likes to talk to me from the other side of the house.
LOL! This might be a good time to train him that you are not going to respond that way. …Although I do get caught out occasionaly when my husband will look at me and say crossly "you weren’t listening to me were you?" And I’ll try to get away with it by insisting I did until he asks me to repeat what he said. Then the smerk on my face and the sudden change of topic usually gives me away.
Well just tell him to repeat what he had just said and then you will let him know if that is what you heard…. — Take care, Liz To everything there is a season …and to every season, a special beauty.
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Just be honest. Say that you were thinking about something else, and have no idea what was said. I don’t know how well this would work, but it is honest, and suggests why you need the entire business repeated. Boyd
: : He would need inspector gadget arms to do this as he usually likes to : talk to me from the other side of the house. : : LOL! This might be a good time to train him that you are not going to : respond that way. : : …Although I do get caught : out occasionaly when my husband will look at me and say crossly "you : weren’t listening to me were you?" And I’ll try to get away with it : by insisting I did until he asks me to repeat what he said. Then the : smerk on my face and the sudden change of topic usually gives me away. : : Well just tell him to repeat what he had just said and then you will let : him know if that is what you heard…. : : — : Take care, : Liz : To everything there is a season : …and to every season, a special beauty.
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Just be honest. Say that you were thinking about something else, and have no idea what was said. I don’t know how well this would work, but it is honest, and suggests why you need the entire business repeated.
Normal initial response to that would be something along the lines of:"About the tv…", or "About that idea I just told you about…". If you want someone to repeat an entire sentence it seems as if you must specifically say:"Sorry, could you repeat that. From the beginning". Otherwise the response is generally unintellible. But maybe I just spend too much time with the wrong crowd.<g <Obligatory Blame It’s all Philip and the Meds fault! </Obligatory Blame Vashti
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I would answer as seriously as possible "I think you should paint it red" or "I believe it is upside down", and go about my business. Everybody has quirks, and those we live with, we have to learn how to deal with them to get proper results. In your case a person would need to get your attention BEFORE saying things.No big problem! Boyd
: : Just be honest. Say that you were thinking about something else, : and have no idea what was said. I don’t know how well this would : work, but it is honest, and suggests why you need the entire : business repeated. : : : Normal initial response to that would be something along : the lines of:"About the tv…", or "About that idea I just told : you about…". : : If you want someone to repeat an entire sentence it seems : as if you must specifically say:"Sorry, could you repeat that. From : the beginning". Otherwise the response is generally unintellible. : : But maybe I just spend too much time with the wrong crowd.<g : : <Obligatory Blame : : It’s all Philip and the Meds fault! : : </Obligatory Blame : : : Vashti
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I would answer as seriously as possible "I think you should paint it red" or "I believe it is upside down", and go about my business. Everybody has quirks, and those we live with, we have to learn how to deal with them to get proper results. In your case a person would need to get your attention BEFORE saying things.No big problem!
Now that *is* a good idea! Might just use it…<g Within my close family a vague:"Hmmm?" is enough, we all seem to suffer from this having to unravel our thoughts before we can comprehend when people don’t warn us they’re going to speak. And if one of them wants my attention they say:"Vashti?", then wait for my:"Hmm?", before they even start a conversation. People are just in too much of a hurry nowadays! Why, when I was a newborn baby, people didn’t expect a response for at least a year! <g Vashti
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yep I’ve felt annoyed when I’ve been interupted from daydreaming, but also relised that I should be enjoying others company instead of shutting them out to be lost in my own thought. I’ve annoyed my husband a few times by doing this I don’t know, you should really train your husband better: if he wants your attention and you seem lost in thought, he should put his hand on your shoulder and say your name in a firm clear voice. At least, that’s what a primary school teacher did with me, and it worked!<g He would need inspector gadget arms to do this as he usually likes to talk to me from the other side of the house.
Ah, well: I never reply to people who shout from a distance, or another room… bad habit a lot of people have. I assume that if someone seriously wants me to respond to something they say, they should be close enough that I needn’t raise my voice to reply. Has your husband no annoying little quirks you have to put up with? In my experience most people do. This is mine… it’s a part of me that my partner and I have solved: if he can’t be bothered to walk up to me, it can’t be *that* important, and from a distance? "I thought you were thinking out loud, dear" does the trick!<g – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I really get fed up if people interupt my thoughts and expect me to have understood what they said! When I ask them to repeat themselves, they *always* seem to only repeat the last part of what they were saying; in other words, the bit that I *did* understand, and *not* the first bit that I missed due to being somewhat absent! Really, you’d think they’d be able to figure out which part of a sentance gets missunderstood most frequently!! LOL yes I get the same thing too. And even after asking for the person to repeat the question a third time still only get the last part of the sentence. (I usually roll my eyes by this time) But I eventually got really used to giving convincing noncommital replies to a question that I had no idea was and get away with it. Although I do get caught out occasionaly when my husband will look at me and say crossly "you weren’t listening to me were you?" And I’ll try to get away with it by insisting I did until he asks me to repeat what he said. Then the smerk on my face and the sudden change of topic usually gives me away.
I give people one chance to repeat themselves coherently, and then I ask them to repeat the full sentance:saves on frustration! I used to do the: "hmm","yes,dear" etc…and quite convincingly too. Nowadays I just say that my mind is occupied at the moment, is it important? Or can we discuss this later? I’m lucky that my partner understands my "absences". In a previous relationship my partner was convinced that my "absences" were epileptic in nature, and wouldn’t hear of me calling it "thinking"! : ) You can tell this happens a lot, can’t you? <g Maybe you need to wear a shirt that says "sorry no-one home right now, all questions by appointment, tap my shoulder and ill get back to you" 
Or one of those voice memory recorders labeled:"Please leave your message, name and contact number: I’ll contact you when I return to this reality"! Problem is: would your husband actually use it?<veg Vashti
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Yep I’ve felt annoyed when I’ve been interupted from daydreaming, but also relised that I should be enjoying others company instead of shutting them out to be lost in my own thought. I’ve annoyed my husband a few times by doing this I don’t know, you should really train your husband better: if he wants your attention and you seem lost in thought, he should put his hand on your shoulder and say your name in a firm clear voice. At least, that’s what a primary school teacher did with me, and it worked!<g
He would need inspector gadget arms to do this as he usually likes to talk to me from the other side of the house. I really get fed up if people interupt my thoughts and expect me to have understood what they said! When I ask them to repeat themselves, they *always* seem to only repeat the last part of what they were saying; in other words, the bit that I *did* understand, and *not* the first bit that I missed due to being somewhat absent! Really, you’d think they’d be able to figure out which part of a sentance gets missunderstood most frequently!!
LOL yes I get the same thing too. And even after asking for the person to repeat the question a third time still only get the last part of the sentence. (I usually roll my eyes by this time) But I eventually got really used to giving convincing noncommital replies to a question that I had no idea was and get away with it. Although I do get caught out occasionaly when my husband will look at me and say crossly "you weren’t listening to me were you?" And I’ll try to get away with it by insisting I did until he asks me to repeat what he said. Then the smerk on my face and the sudden change of topic usually gives me away. You can tell this happens a lot, can’t you? <g
Maybe you need to wear a shirt that says "sorry no-one home right now, all questions by appointment, tap my shoulder and ill get back to you" Cathy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Vashti
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daydreaming is a function of ones creativity-it is a type of directed fanatsy that I believe to be purposeful and part of ones active imagination and brain function. If one lives in a fanatsy world or has some ocd aspect to their daydreaming then that is another story. ssri ad meds can have an effect of loading serotonin into the central nervous system which has a secondary action of lowering norepinephrine and dopamine activity in the frontal lobes of the brain which may create a form of apathy and lack of higher levels of creativity -so one just doesn’t engage in this type of fantasy or enjoy its distractions-I would recommend you tell your doc about it, perhaps a lowering of the dose is indicated if this is pronounced or troublesome
Well, I’ve had this "daydreaming" and "distractableness" since as far back as I can remember, it’s certainly not med induced. In fact paxil didn’t seem to reduce it’s occurance at all. I’m quite happy being chaotic and distacted and having a busy brain, my biggest problem is that society as a whole doesn’t seem to appreciate it. Least of all employers: they just don’t like people who can’t keep their mind on their job and get brilliant ideas that can keep ‘m busy for ages. I have on several occasions worked through my break time, because I didn’t notice everyone else had gone. Apparently a few called me, but I didn’t hear!<g I should be seeing my Dr. for a check-up tomorrow, then maybe continue my switch from paxil to effexor… at this rate I’ll have finished the switch by next week! I can’t wait to see if the effexor is more effective against my anxiety+panic, and hopefully it won’t make me as physically sleepy as paxil does… Vashti
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Yep I’ve felt annoyed when I’ve been interupted from daydreaming, but also relised that I should be enjoying others company instead of shutting them out to be lost in my own thought. I’ve annoyed my husband a few times by doing this
I don’t know, you should really train your husband better: if he wants your attention and you seem lost in thought, he should put his hand on your shoulder and say your name in a firm clear voice. At least, that’s what a primary school teacher did with me, and it worked!<g I really get fed up if people interupt my thoughts and expect me to have understood what they said! When I ask them to repeat themselves, they *always* seem to only repeat the last part of what they were saying; in other words, the bit that I *did* understand, and *not* the first bit that I missed due to being somewhat absent! Really, you’d think they’d be able to figure out which part of a sentance gets missunderstood most frequently!! You can tell this happens a lot, can’t you? <g Vashti
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daydreaming is a function of ones creativity-it is a type of directed fanatsy that I believe to be purposeful and part of ones active imagination and brain function. If one lives in a fanatsy world or has some ocd aspect to their daydreaming then that is another story.
Yea theres nothing wrong with a good imagination. I guess its just a matter of how much of your thoughts it takes over to how healthy it can be. I guess when it becomes a fantasy world or ocd thats when you lose control of the situation ssri ad meds can have an effect of loading serotonin into the central nervous system which has a secondary action of lowering norepinephrine and dopamine activity in the frontal lobes of the brain which may create a form of apathy and lack of higher levels of creativity -so one just doesn’t engage in this type of fantasy or enjoy its distractions-I would recommend you tell your doc about it, perhaps a lowering of the dose is indicated if this is pronounced or troublesome LM
Thanks for the explanation and advice. I didn’t think the pdoc would consider it a problem if this became to pronounced. I’ll know to discuss it with him if I need to, thankyou. Cathy
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Cheryl. I guess you would have an idea what it can be like with your experience with the pastor. Its a shame some religious people make religion so boring and go on with some of the crap they do. I think if who ever is preaching can’t make it enjoyable and spiritually enlightening then they shouldn’t preach. It seems to do more harm then good. It is better to live life but I think sometimes I wouldn’t of made it through my teenage years with my sainity without daydreaming when I just couldn’t cope. But at least I don’t need to worry about that anymore.Thanks for your posting to me. Cathy
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I have noticed that I day dream much less on meds and stay on task, albeit, at a slower pace…LOL. I know what you mean about falling into daydreaming to avoid a bad situation. So sorry you had such an unsupportive childhood full of so much negativity. It must have been very hard for you. I am so glad you have a good husband now, and are getting to enjoy your life now.
I guess alot more people daydream more then I relised. I guess on the positive side even from such a negative childhood I’ve still learned alot and came out the other side a better person for it. And I pride myself on being a good mum and giving my kids a happy and loving childhood. cathy
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Hmm, I do daydream myself, and quite a lot. If that stopped, I would miss it but on the other hand it might make focussing on tasks a lot easier.
yea its funny how our own thougths can be so entertaining. and how it can become so much a part of our lives that that it is easy to miss. It can be quite distracting though. I *like* the day dreams: with me it’s not a fantasy world, or what if sort of thing; it’s more like my mind is in hyper-drive, it can be set off by the silliest things: the shape of a cup, a word, a certain scent or colour, and I’m off this planet into another reality where time isn’t real, and I am nearly completely unaware of the world around me. Thoughts, patterns and pictures follow each other at such a fast pace, freely associating without stress or direction. Sometimes it’s hard *not* to let my mind run off like this, I really have to concentrate on what’s around me, often I’m annoyed with the "world" for distracting me from this "dreaming".
Yep I’ve felt annoyed when I’ve been interupted from daydreaming, but also relised that I should be enjoying others company instead of shutting them out to be lost in my own thought. I’ve annoyed my husband a few times by doing this This state of mind also pops up when I’m trying to sleep:that’s a reason I use a tape playing soft music I like so I have something to concentrate on…otherwise I spend half the night "dreaming" instead of sleeping.
At night I dream heaps to. Always have. When something bothers me I have nightmares. Sometimes my dreams at night are just odd and abstract. I wonder where all these crazy dreams come from I must have a wierd subconscious mind. Dreams are suppose to have meaning but if anyone could make sense of mine it would be a miracle. I really wouldn’t like it to stop altogether, maybe just a little less frequently.
Yea, everything in moderation I guess. Vashti
Cathy
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cathy says… This may seem an odd question but I’ve noticed since I’ve started taking luvox that I never daydream anymore. I seem completely incapable of doing so, not that I want to. <snipped The crux of your question is about Luvox and daydreams. Of course, daydream itself can be rather subjective, but…. For your consideration, Luvox was developed as a med for OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder). Seeing as it’s worked well for that disorder (as well as anxiety and depression) it might very well be that part of why it’s effective is that in some way, it stops or at least "may" stop – or subdue – some wayward thoughts, or that daydream sort of thinking. Seeing as obsessive thoughts can be a major component of OCD, it would seem reasonable to assume that this may very well account for what you’re experiencing (or more to the point; not experiencing;) You’re not alone…
Yea that may be the case. I do have alot of obsessive thoughts as well as daydreaming I guess at the end of the day they are not really that different. Cathy
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its a great relief because I couldn’t stop daydreaming and found it very difficult to focus on things. For as long as I can remember I have always spent to much time doing this and couldn’t stop. Hmm, I do daydream myself, and quite a lot. If that stopped, I would miss it but on the other hand it might make focussing on tasks a lot easier. I *like* the day dreams: with me it’s not a fantasy world, or what if sort of thing; it’s more like my mind is in hyper-drive, it can be set off by the silliest things: the shape of a cup, a word, a certain scent or colour, and I’m off this planet into another reality where time isn’t real, and I am nearly completely unaware of the world around me. Thoughts, patterns and pictures follow each other at such a fast pace, freely associating without stress or direction. Sometimes it’s hard *not* to let my mind run off like this, I really have to concentrate on what’s around me, often I’m annoyed with the "world" for distracting me from this "dreaming". This state of mind also pops up when I’m trying to sleep:that’s a reason I use a tape playing soft music I like so I have something to concentrate on…otherwise I spend half the night "dreaming" instead of sleeping. I really wouldn’t like it to stop altogether, maybe just a little less frequently. Vashti
daydreaming is a function of ones creativity-it is a type of directed fanatsy that I believe to be purposeful and part of ones active imagination and brain function. If one lives in a fanatsy world or has some ocd aspect to their daydreaming then that is another story. ssri ad meds can have an effect of loading serotonin into the central nervous system which has a secondary action of lowering norepinephrine and dopamine activity in the frontal lobes of the brain which may create a form of apathy and lack of higher levels of creativity -so one just doesn’t engage in this type of fantasy or enjoy its distractions-I would recommend you tell your doc about it, perhaps a lowering of the dose is indicated if this is pronounced or troublesome LM
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Its a great relief because I couldn’t stop daydreaming and found it very difficult to focus on things. For as long as I can remember I have always spent to much time doing this and couldn’t stop.
Hmm, I do daydream myself, and quite a lot. If that stopped, I would miss it but on the other hand it might make focussing on tasks a lot easier. I *like* the day dreams: with me it’s not a fantasy world, or what if sort of thing; it’s more like my mind is in hyper-drive, it can be set off by the silliest things: the shape of a cup, a word, a certain scent or colour, and I’m off this planet into another reality where time isn’t real, and I am nearly completely unaware of the world around me. Thoughts, patterns and pictures follow each other at such a fast pace, freely associating without stress or direction. Sometimes it’s hard *not* to let my mind run off like this, I really have to concentrate on what’s around me, often I’m annoyed with the "world" for distracting me from this "dreaming". This state of mind also pops up when I’m trying to sleep:that’s a reason I use a tape playing soft music I like so I have something to concentrate on…otherwise I spend half the night "dreaming" instead of sleeping. I really wouldn’t like it to stop altogether, maybe just a little less frequently. Vashti
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This may seem an odd question but I’ve noticed since I’ve started taking luvox that I never daydream anymore. I seem completely incapable of doing so, not that I want to. But I was wondering if anyone eles has had this reaction to any medications they have tried. Its a great relief because I couldn’t stop daydreaming and found it very difficult to focus on things. For as long as I can remember I have always spent to much time doing this and couldn’t stop. As a teenager I daydreamed alot as a way of coping to get away from my family. I hated my home life. My father and his brothers brought our families up like a religious cult. My sisters and I always had to do stupid things, dress differently, act differently and live like outcasts to the rest of the world because my dad and Uncles always said everyone eles was evil and if we were like them we would go to hell. I grew up with alot of emotional blackmail and putdowns everytime I tried to be myself. We weren’t allowed to ever have opionions. I just couldn’t handle it. And became so withdrawn into myself daydreaming or going for long walks and being alone alot. I’ve forgotten how to live my life because it has been a dream for so long. I hope this can be a really positive step in learning how to enjoy life now as first hand experience, and not watch it pass me by hidden by a fenced up wall of fantasy world. I don’t think parents relise how much they can stuff up our heads I’m still trying to find what a normal life is. Luckily I have had a patient husband who understands
I have noticed that I day dream much less on meds and stay on task, albeit, at a slower pace…LOL. I know what you mean about falling into daydreaming to avoid a bad situation. So sorry you had such an unsupportive childhood full of so much negativity. It must have been very hard for you. I am so glad you have a good husband now, and are getting to enjoy your life now. — Take care, Liz To everything there is a season …and to every season, a special beauty.
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Yea I do feel a sense of loss. I felt a bit silly after writting about my daydreaming. I wasn’t sure if anyone eles had been through the same thing. The good thing about this newsgroup is that I can read or write about things I experience but don’t like talking to my family and friends about because they don’t understand. And I don’t feel so alone when someone eles talks about going through similiar things. If you have been there and now feel better, I guess there is hope out there for me Cathy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This sounds so much like me and my life growing up. I used to daydream to the extreme so much that I thought I was actually experiencing my daydreams. I spent as much time in fantasy as in real life, or even more. Antipsychotics have made this go comepletey away. I suffered a sense of terrible loss when it first happened, but I gained so much in the real world from my medication that I finally let go of the need to daydream. Now I am more connected to the real world. I think I am the better for it. Sasha This may seem an odd question but I’ve noticed since I’ve started taking luvox that I never daydream anymore. I seem completely incapable of doing so, not that I want to. But I was wondering if anyone eles has had this reaction to any medications they have tried. Its a great relief because I couldn’t stop daydreaming and found it very difficult to focus on things. For as long as I can remember I have always spent to much time doing this and couldn’t stop. As a teenager I daydreamed alot as a way of coping to get away from my family. I hated my home life. My father and his brothers brought our families up like a religious cult. My sisters and I always had to do stupid things, dress differently, act differently and live like outcasts to the rest of the world because my dad and Uncles always said everyone eles was evil and if we were like them we would go to hell. I grew up with alot of emotional blackmail and putdowns everytime I tried to be myself. We weren’t allowed to ever have opionions. I just couldn’t handle it. And became so withdrawn into myself daydreaming or going for long walks and being alone alot. I’ve forgotten how to live my life because it has been a dream for so long. I hope this can be a really positive step in learning how to enjoy life now as first hand experience, and not watch it pass me by hidden by a fenced up wall of fantasy world. I don’t think parents relise how much they can stuff up our heads I’m still trying to find what a normal life is. Luckily I have had a patient husband who understands.
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This sounds so much like me and my life growing up. I used to daydream to the extreme so much that I thought I was actually experiencing my daydreams. I spent as much time in fantasy as in real life, or even more. Antipsychotics have made this go comepletey away. I suffered a sense of terrible loss when it first happened, but I gained so much in the real world from my medication that I finally let go of the need to daydream. Now I am more connected to the real world. I think I am the better for it. Sasha
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This may seem an odd question but I’ve noticed since I’ve started taking luvox that I never daydream anymore. I seem completely incapable of doing so, not that I want to. But I was wondering if anyone eles has had this reaction to any medications they have tried. Its a great relief because I couldn’t stop daydreaming and found it very difficult to focus on things. For as long as I can remember I have always spent to much time doing this and couldn’t stop. As a teenager I daydreamed alot as a way of coping to get away from my family. I hated my home life. My father and his brothers brought our families up like a religious cult. My sisters and I always had to do stupid things, dress differently, act differently and live like outcasts to the rest of the world because my dad and Uncles always said everyone eles was evil and if we were like them we would go to hell. I grew up with alot of emotional blackmail and putdowns everytime I tried to be myself. We weren’t allowed to ever have opionions. I just couldn’t handle it. And became so withdrawn into myself daydreaming or going for long walks and being alone alot. I’ve forgotten how to live my life because it has been a dream for so long. I hope this can be a really positive step in learning how to enjoy life now as first hand experience, and not watch it pass me by hidden by a fenced up wall of fantasy world. I don’t think parents relise how much they can stuff up our heads I’m still trying to find what a normal life is. Luckily I have had a patient husband who understands.
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This may seem an odd question but I’ve noticed since I’ve started taking luvox that I never daydream anymore. I seem completely incapable of doing so, not that I want to. But I was wondering if anyone eles has had this reaction to any medications they have tried. Its a great relief because I couldn’t stop daydreaming and found it very difficult to focus on things. For as long as I can remember I have always spent to much time doing this and couldn’t stop. As a teenager I daydreamed alot as a way of coping to get away from my family. I hated my home life. My father and his brothers brought our families up like a religious cult. My sisters and I always had to do stupid things, dress differently, act differently and live like outcasts to the rest of the world because my dad and Uncles always said everyone eles was evil and if we were like them we would go to hell. I grew up with alot of emotional blackmail and putdowns everytime I tried to be myself. We weren’t allowed to ever have opionions. I just couldn’t handle it. And became so withdrawn into myself daydreaming or going for long walks and being alone alot. I’ve forgotten how to live my life because it has been a dream for so long. I hope this can be a really positive step in learning how to enjoy life now as first hand experience, and not watch it pass me by hidden by a fenced up wall of fantasy world. I don’t think parents relise how much they can stuff up our heads I’m still trying to find what a normal life is. Luckily I have had a patient husband who understands.
