Category: Obsessive Compulsive

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Question:

hi michael I was just saying that maybe you would be able to read better on a different medication.  I found my reading ability was better on some meds and worse on others. Off meds, I can’t read at all either because the voices interfere, plus I can’t concentrate. penguin

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i lost your original post.  yes i definitely have trouble reading at times. off meds, i have a lot of thought disorganization.  there’s also a lot of clutter in my brain like about the octane ratings.  i store useless tidbits in my head. on meds, sometimes i still have trouble keeping up with a movie or novel.  i read a lot of non-fiction.  with fiction, you have to keep up with the storyline.  with non-fiction, you have to keep up with concepts.  you can also read non-fiction out of order, which is an advantage. if you want to train your brain to read better, you might start with online news articles and Wikipedia entries.  this should develop some concentration skills.  or stop by a library and read some entries in random books. one wierd thing i have is related to my obsessive-compulsive disorder.  i count words and paragraphs.  this slows me down. m.

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Puzzler

Question:

 Why do people constantly return to the refrigerator with hopes that something new to eat will have materialized?    At work we have one of those carousel snack machines that carries various sandwiches, muffins, milk, and whatnot.  One of my friends will spin that thing around for five or ten minutes if he doesn’t see what he wants the first few times around.  I guess he’s hoping that there’s a little gnome or something on the other side of the doors that will drop a double cheeseburger in the slot if he spins it enough times.

LOL!!  Reminds me of my cats, who — when the weather is bad — will ask to go out every 2 minutes in the hope that it will have magically turned into a clear sunny day :-) . Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

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 Why do people constantly return to the refrigerator with hopes that something new to eat will have materialized?

    At work we have one of those carousel snack machines that carries various sandwiches, muffins, milk, and whatnot.  One of my friends will spin that thing around for five or ten minutes if he doesn’t see what he wants the first few times around.  I guess he’s hoping that there’s a little gnome or something on the other side of the doors that will drop a double cheeseburger in the slot if he spins it enough times. — Annie 258/234.5/140

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Its an obsessive compulsive foraging act mixed with a need to take inventory of every item in the fridge that might remotely tingle a tastebud. Nope dont want that, nope not that either, ugh isnt there anything ‘good’ in here? where’d that cheese go to? did I eat that last night? <<5 minutes later after staring inside the fridge Guess I need to go grocery shopping because there’s ‘nothing’ to eat here! ;-)

You forgot  "WHO ate MY cheese!!!!??" — Walking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/115   Start: 2/02  Maintained since 2/03 —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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Why do people constantly return to the refrigerator with hopes that something new to eat will have materialized? Its an obsessive compulsive foraging act mixed with a need to take inventory of every item in the fridge that might remotely tingle a tastebud. Nope dont want that, nope not that either, ugh isnt there anything ‘good’ in here? where’d that cheese go to? did I eat that last night? <<5 minutes later after staring inside the fridge Guess I need to go grocery shopping because there’s ‘nothing’ to eat here! ;-)

You got it babe! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<joni

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Why do people constantly return to the refrigerator with hopes that something new to eat will have materialized?

Its an obsessive compulsive foraging act mixed with a need to take inventory of every item in the fridge that might remotely tingle a tastebud. Nope dont want that, nope not that either, ugh isnt there anything ‘good’ in here? where’d that cheese go to? did I eat that last night? <<5 minutes later after staring inside the fridge Guess I need to go grocery shopping because there’s ‘nothing’ to eat here! ;-) <<joni

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03 Apr 2005:  Why do people constantly return to the refrigerator with hopes that something new to eat will have materialized?

Because they often do. Phil M.

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Why do people constantly return to the refrigerator with hopes that something new to eat will have materialized? Do they?  I don’t think I’ve noticed that, myself.  It would be nice if refrigerators worked that way, though :-) . Chris 262/130s/130s

I liked the old fridges in retaurants with glass doors. You didn’t havce to open them to take inventoty :-) started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

– Diva ***** The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman

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 Why do people constantly return to the refrigerator with hopes that something new to eat will have materialized?

That’s not why they do it.  They don’t look again until they have lowered their standard of what’s acceptable at that time! — Walking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/115   Start: 2/02  Maintained since 2/03 —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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Why do people constantly return to the refrigerator with hopes that something new to eat will have materialized?

Do they?  I don’t think I’ve noticed that, myself.  It would be nice if refrigerators worked that way, though :-) . Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

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 Why do people constantly return to the refrigerator with hopes that something new to eat will have materialized? — Diva ***** The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman

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OT:Question of the day…. 1/11/05

Question:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1/11/05: How do you tend to keep your drawers and closets, super clean and neat, or messy? I *try* to keep the drawers I’m wearing clean at all times. Do you have a yellow spot in front?

No, today it’s in the back.  They just don’t seem to fit right today either. Tony — The charter is available at:

fur biting

Question:

how did I stop fur biting?  it caused my puppy to have one bald spot and now I don’t want more.

Response:

HOWEDY leah,

how did I stop fur biting?

That’s EZ! You EXXXTINGHISH the HABIT JUST LIKE HOWE you’d EXXXTINGUISH ANY HABIT like C-HOWENTER SURFIN or GARBAGE CAN CHASING or MURDERIN your HOWESKAT or BUNNY or a little innocent DEAD DOG at the park.  it caused my puppy to have one bald spot and now I don’t want more.

Yeah. That’ll LOOK bad. Find the cause and treat it.

The CAUSE is usually anxiHOWESNESS. mauijnp is a DOG ABUSER like yourself, leah. First thing to consider – is it medical or behavioral?

If there’s a likliehood a PROBLEM is behaivoral we TRAIN the dog and CURE the BEHAVIOR PROBLEM. If it’s MEDICAL the BEHAVIOR PROBLEM WON’T CURE NEARLY INSTANTLY so we KNOW to take the dog to the vet. So the first step is a work-up at the vet.

No, on accHOWENT of if it’s BEHAVIORAL we can EXXXTINGUISH THE PROBLEM NEARLY INSTANTLY if you know HOWE. Could be allergies.

Allergies are often just STRESS INDUCED AUTO- IMMUNE DIS-EASE like MOST of HOWER DOG LOVER’S DOGS GOT on accHOWENT of you ABUSE them. Here’s a couple of NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students who CURED this SAME SAME PROBLEM NEARLY INSTANTLY. YOU CALL THEM LIARS. REMEMBER, leah?: Both my dogs at some stage have licked a spot somewhere on their bodies and I have always managed to train them to stop. In all cases there was nothing wrong that licking would have helped (Roz has had cut pads, stitches in her belly and skin irritations, all tempting her to lick), none of their licking has been due to any allergies. When I see the dog licking more than normal I look at the spot to see whats there and decide if a vet appointment is needed or to wait and see, keeping a close eye. To stop the licking I distract the dog and give it some friendly banter, when it starts licking again I repeat, usually after about 4 times the dog stops, for the moment at least, if it starts again then repeat, before long the dog has no more desire to lick that spot at all. Paul www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 The same thing worked with my lab licking/chewing problem too. He had an itch due to blocked anal glands and started chewing and licking his tail at the root. After the glands were squeezed, and the itch was gone he still wouldn’t stop. (because the place he chewed raw was itching) After some training (roughly the same methode as yours) he stopped. — Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/ schreef inbericht You’ll get ALL the INFORMATION you need in your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual. You’ll be taught some general exercises to calm and relax your dog and give him the direct attention he NEEDS in only a few minutes every other day, and you’ll learn HOWE to use distraction and praise to EXXXTINGUISH the HABITUAL aspect of this DIS-EASE.

My dog (a 1 year old Yellow Lab) was biting his tail at the root (Vet said his anal gland was blocked, and was causing an itch). After squeezing it, he still wouldn’t stop biting his tail. The vet advised a neck-funnel (don’t know wat you US-guy’s call those) so he couldn’t reach his butt. I hate those things, i think they will drive a dog nuts. I tried the wits end method. (difficult to read such a long textfile if English is not your native language) Luckily this is without all the "HOWE’s" etc.so at least it’s readable for somebody like me. The minute he started to bite i trew my key’s next to him on the floor, and praised him (he stopped biting and looked up when he heard the sound) I did this 7 times, after that the tailbiting completely stopped. Just give the wits end method a try. One of the possible downloadlocations is http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 RTFM is age-old computer lingo…. It stands for "Read The F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works very good! But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching him something new takes about 30minutes  (depending on what to teach offcourse) My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad dog"whenever he did something i didn’t want him to do, or  it might be the age. Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn something new: he wants me to bring along the can filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a "good dog", and never a "bad dog" There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved. For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min’s without beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog, he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask permission" first, and to my surprise it worked! My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them), maybe this helped too. Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html — Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/

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HOWEDY mauijnp,

how did I stop fur biting?

Your dog is SELF MUTILATING on accHOWENT of you punish and choke and lock IT in a box. it caused my puppy to have one bald spot

No. YOU caused your puppy to SELF MUTILATE. and now I don’t want more.

But you WON’T STOP PUNISHING YOUR DOG. Your dog is DYING from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard’s SYNDROME. HOWEDY Carl, Hello Group, I hope you can put my mind at rest.

You’re askin liars dog abusers cowards and active long term incurable MENTAL CASES for advice for the same problems they got and can’t cure. My 7 year old Yorkie has started licking / chewing the hair on her back legs, so much so that the hair ‘mats’ together and becomes very clumpy.

You can break her EXXXCESSIVE chewing using PRAISE and distraction and praise techniques as taught in your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com She doesn’t seem to be in pain but seems to be doing it more and more.

Could be anxiHOWESNESS. She recently went to the vet for her annual booster injection and the vet advised that there is deterioation in her knee joints –

That too can be CAUSED by STRESS. but it is not so advanced that surgery is required.

But it MAY be HOWE COME she’s chewing herself. Has she just adopted a new grooming style or is this a sign of something more worrying.

S-HOWENDS like your dog got The Puppy Wizard’s SYNDROME. There’s 3 different CURES for it, Carl. professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer is HOWER ANAL-ytic behaviorIST. You might wanna ASK HIM HOWE he CURED his little dog Maxie The Magnificent FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive Masturbator’s chronic urinary tract / bladder and irritable BHOWEL SYMPTOMS. I believe she is flea / tick free!

Good. That means the dog is EITHER SICK or anxiHOWES. It could be an OCD behavior like professor SCRUFF SHAKE’S little dog got.  Might wanna check with professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation," dermer of UofWI department of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM. Any help / advice appreciated.

You won’t be gettin no advice from the lying dog abusing mental cases who post here abHOWETS. All EXXXCEPT of curse, the sage advice from professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer. Alternatively, you could ask him abHOWET using DRO to EXXXTINGUISH your dog’s EXXXCESSIVE chewin. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will  BET HIS doGgamened LIFE professor SCRUFF SHAKE will give you the advice you NEED. Cheers,

LikeWIZE. Carl.

Both my dogs at some stage have licked a spot somewhere on their bodies and I have always managed to train them to stop. In all cases there was nothing wrong that licking would have helped (Roz has had cut pads, stitches in her belly and skin irritations, all tempting her to lick), none of their licking has been due to any allergies. When I see the dog licking more than normal I look at the spot to see whats there and decide if a vet appointment is needed or to wait and see, keeping a close eye. To stop the licking I distract the dog and give it some friendly banter, when it starts licking again I repeat, usually after about 4 times the dog stops, for the moment at least, if it starts again then repeat, before long the dog has no more desire to lick that spot at all. Paul www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 The same thing worked with my lab licking/chewing problem too. He had an itch due to blocked anal glands and started chewing and licking his tail at the root. After the glands were squeezed, and the itch was gone he still wouldn’t stop. (because the place he chewed raw was itching) After some training (roughly the same methode as yours) he stopped. — Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/ schreef inbericht You’ll get ALL the INFORMATION you need in your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual. You’ll be taught some general exercises to calm and relax your dog and give him the direct attention he NEEDS in only a few minutes every other day, and you’ll learn HOWE to use distraction and praise to EXXXTINGUISH the HABITUAL aspect of this DIS-EASE.

My dog (a 1 year old Yellow Lab) was biting his tail at the root (Vet said his anal gland was blocked, and was causing an itch). After squeezing it, he still wouldn’t stop biting his tail. The vet advised a neck-funnel (don’t know wat you US-guy’s call those) so he couldn’t reach his butt. I hate those things, i think they will drive a dog nuts. I tried the wits end method. (difficult to read such a long textfile if English is not your native language) Luckily this is without all the "HOWE’s" etc.so at least it’s readable for somebody like me. The minute he started to bite i trew my key’s next to him on the floor, and praised him (he stopped biting and looked up when he heard the sound) I did this 7 times, after that the tailbiting completely stopped. Just give the wits end method a try. One of the possible downloadlocations is http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 RTFM is age-old computer lingo…. It stands for "Read The F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works very good! But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching him something new takes about 30minutes  (depending on what to teach offcourse) My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad dog"whenever he did something i didn’t want him to do, or  it might be the age. Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn something new: he wants me to bring along the can filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a "good dog", and never a "bad dog" There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved. For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min’s without beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog, he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask permission" first, and to my surprise it worked! My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them), maybe this helped too. Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html — Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/

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HELP needed ASAP

Question:

Oooops!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You honestly can read what he writes to folk and feel he is a good choice for people to trust? Look – when I see someone that treats people as pieces of dung, there is something wrong. I may have been harsh in my response, but – come on – the guy is a lunatic.  Read only a handful of his vile messages and you have to see that. There are too many good dog trainers or books out there to devote oneself to someone like Howe.

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HOWEDY Robin, Cc’s for EMBARRASSMENT FACTOR: —– Original Message —– Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 9:30 AM Howedy Jerry,

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HOWEDY Robin, Cc’s for EMBARRASSMENT FACTOR: In article You are simply full of shit. Jerry – you realize that his statement above was meant for me, not for you?

Oh yes, of curse! I’d posted a short "Thank you, Robin." when I first saw your reply to mauijnp although I can’t find it on the forum; seems the NG servers been actin up for a couple of days. Perhaps you’re not familiar with mauijnp’s posted case history. I’d been kindly and polite to her when she first posted, but as you’ve SEEN, people PREFER to punish and avoid problems than rehabilitate their dogs. In fact, I couldn’t wait to read your post to Mrs. Puppy Wizard. I share many of the case historys we’ve got here with her as she’s WON of my most successful students, although she was WON of my MOST DIFFICUT, as she’d had many years of professional training lessons and showed English Mastiffs and although she’d known of me for six years had only come to me as a student when all the other methods failed to rehabilitate a couple MINOR problems like ringWIZE and some little aggression issues and STUFF, on accHOWENT of SHE HEARD my METHODS are NOT EFFECTIVE on accHOWENT of I DON’T HURT DOGS to train them. I used to DREAD her arrival on accHOWENT of she’d engage me in idiotic discussions abHOWET traditional methods and HOWE my methods conflict with them and EVERY THING she’d been taught and well, you know HOWE it goes. She was VERY WELL TRAINED by the INCOMPETENTS who GOT her to the point where she’d HAVE to ASK a FLUKE for advice. You just can’t make SENSE to someWON who’s been indoctrinated to a blelief system that is built on faerie tails and inaccurate / incomplete observations of lab or wild critters or the dismal failure of C-HOWENTLESS others who are likeWIZE at a loss for a remedy. I’ll BET MY LIFE I can TRAIN a CHIMPANZEE to TRAIN ANY DOG NEARLY INSTANTLY just like HOWE you and I do. I’ll call him Major Haggerty.     BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHHAHAHHAAA!!! I’m fixin to go find me a dog lover who owns a chimp and make IT a PROFESSIONAL DOG TRAINER! In love and light, Your Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~  )  

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You honestly can read what he writes to folk and feel he is a good choice for people to trust? Look – when I see someone that treats people as pieces of dung, there is something wrong. I may have been harsh in my response, but – come on – the guy is a lunatic.  Read only a handful of his vile messages and you have to see that. There are too many good dog trainers or books out there to devote oneself to someone like Howe.

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You are simply full of shit. Yes, I tried Howe’s crap, and it didn’t work.  When I asked for advice, I got berated.  "You can’t outwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog!"   If you support such an asshole, you have issues…

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You are simply full of shit.

I’m sure you are right. Yes, I tried Howe’s crap, and it didn’t work.  When I asked for advice, I got berated.  "You can’t outwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog!"   If you support such an asshole, you have issues…

You respond to a respectful, polite post, and your response is ‘you are simply full of shit’.  So, we then read that you asked for help and got berated.  I can’t imagine what the problem could have been.   Robin

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HOWEDY Robin, Cc’s for EMBARRASSMENT FACTOR:

In article

You are simply full of shit.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Forums are FAMILY oriented news groups. PERHAPS THAT’S HOWE COME so many mommy and daddy doggy owners call The Amazing Puppy Wizard a LIAR? They’re AFRAID their children will read them hurtin and intimidatin and murderin their dogs. I’m sure you are right.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard is ALWAYS RIGHT, on accHOWENT of here IS a SCIENCE of BEHAVIOR. HOWER DOG LOVERS CURSE EVERY CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students all over the Whole Wild World when they REPORT THEIR NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS. JUST LIKE HOWE THEY DONE YOU, Robin. Yes, I tried Howe’s crap, and it didn’t work.

That’s a LIE. The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students all over the Whole Wild World NEVER FAIL or The Amazing Puppy Wizard will get the heel HOWETA THIS BUSINESS. When I asked for advice,

When a FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Student asks for ADVICE they GET IT on accHOWENT of:          In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS                        FAILURE MEANS DEATH.                                SAME SAME,          For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS. I got berated.

Not so. You NEVER ASKED for heelp. "You can’t outwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog!"

THAT’S NORMAL. THAT’S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard TEACHES YOU HOWE to HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog. If you support such an asshole,

Who teaches DOG LOVERS all over the Whole Wild World HOWE to HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog FOR FREE.  you have issues…

Yeah… DOG LOVERS who PREFER to HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER their dogs will call you LHOWESY names call you a LIAR. You respond to a respectful, polite post,

You mean THIS WON, Robin:         …         In article                 my dog tries to jump up on the table.  he did it         today when I wasn’t there and he ate my nephew’s         food.  My sister was home, I wasn’t.  My mom         said if he does it again, he will have to find a         new house.  I believe her.          She will kick him (rather us as I will never          get rid of him) out.  what should I do?                 she I squirt him with water when he tries         to jump on the chairs?  I don’t want to have to         smack him bottom or nose or something like that.         Should I feed him from the table so he is not so         desparate to get up there? or will that make it         worse?  right now, he NEVER gets anything from         the table.  thanks for any help.                 why don’t you tie him outside during the meals and         if he try to go on the table do the same go tie         him and verbally reprehend him . He needs to         learn it’s not ok to jump on table.                 I would also suggest you go a do basic obedience         training you need to learn how to control your         do,, good luck                 I’m only jumping in on this thread now, so don’t         know if the Puppy Wizard responded to the original         poster with a link to his Wit’s End Dog Training         Manual, which he offers at no cost.   Although you         are correct to say the dog needs to learn to not         jump on the table, and your suggestion would         certainly contain the dog,  I don’t think it would         TEACH the dog very effectively or quickly.                 The Puppy Wizard (Jerry) offers a very quick, kind         and gentle way to teach a dog anything, even         eliminating separation anxiety and allergies.  I         hope the original poster sees this, and if you own a         dog, perhaps you might be interested in taking a         look also.  You’ll find it’s so much quicker (and         kinder, and gentler) than any other method.                 The proof is in the pudding, right?                 Just give it a try. You’ve heard the old saying,         you get more with honey than vinegar.  If you         do try this method and find it effective, please         pass it on to other pet owners.                 You’ll be doing a good deed. I’m planning         to email it to my friends, relatives, and business         associates who are pet owners as a Christmas         or Chanukah gift.                 And more, if you have any questions about the         training method, or run into difficulties, unlike         the tone of many of the Puppy Wizard’s posts (aka         the Grim Reaper), you’ll find him extremely helpful,         always available, patient (yes, I said patient:) and         kind (yes, I said kind:).                 Here’s the link:         http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html                 Robin and your response is ‘you are simply full of shit’.

HOWER DOG LOVERS have TRIED for five years to LIE and CONfHOWEND people to defend their alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMIDATE BRIBE CRATE and MURDER their BEST DOGS.     THAT’S HOWE COME THEY CAN’T POST     HERE abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE. So, we then read that you asked for help and got berated.  I can’t imagine what the problem could have been.

The PROBLEM is the COMPLAINERS like professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face for five minutes and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer of UofWI department of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM NEVER READ The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual PAST the part that SEZ you CANNOT HURT INTIMDIATE BRIBE SPRAY AVERSIVES and MURDER your dog for behavior problems you don’t have the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit like HOWE they do in UNIVERSITIES, even after The Amazing Puppy Wizard and all HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students all over the Whole Wild World REPORT RIGHT HERE. Like yourself, Robin. AND the progfessor SCRUFF SHAKES DON’T POST HERE abHOWETS noMOORE on accHOWENT of they got CAREERS and REPUTATIONS and THEY KNOW The Amazing Puppy Wizard will leave them F’d off for their dignity and respect and credibilty, if they EVER THOUGHT they HAD any, by simply QUOTING THEIR WRITTEN WORDS. REMEMBER NHOWE, professor dermer? Robin

Didn’t you cure your dog’s pica and some depression problems in a couple of days by doin EVERY THING OPPOSITE of what the EXXXPERTS would have you do? THAT’S on accHOWENT of so called traditional dog trainin DON’T WORK. They CAUSES ALL temperament and behavior problems. LIKE IT SEZ RIGHT HERE: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM How does diagnosis shape treatment? Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe, who publicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard.  Jerry is a master at behavioral modification of dogs. His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov’s last student, the late Sam Corson, Ph.D., did at the U of Ohio (at Oxford,O). Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave him TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very carefully, over again. Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused training is immoral.  I’ve watched him in one short session calm impossible dogs, just about to be murdered (oops "put to sleep") because of their "incorrigibly" violent behavior. Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine to hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for hyperactive dogs); but he never lost sight of the fundamental reality that a dog is not a human, but does respond, doggily, to dog love. You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner’s "Cumulative Record" and read the essay by Breland and Breland, "The Misbehavior of Organisms". Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the trainer attends to the evolutionary history, the individual’s developmental history, and the environmental niche of the animal being trained. Yep, right there in Skinner’s last and summary book. Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal. <SNIP Dr. Von         INTRO TO WITS’ END DOG TRAINING MANUAL              George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D. F.R.S.H. Several years ago one of my old students telephoned to me and asked me what I knew about Doggie Do Right, a device to cause your neighbor’s dog to stop barking. I had not heard of the device, nor its inventor, Jerry Howe, but I telephoned, read his website, and told my graduate that I thought the device was worth a trial – indeed I shut up the dogs in my neighborhood by turning on Jerry’s supersonic device. After all we all know that dogs respond to whistles humans cannot hear, so why not respond to "attaboy" sounds which humans cannot hear. My student lived far from my Florida homestead, so he tried it on the three incredibly savage, hyperactive and noisy dogs who lived behind a tall fence just 3 feet back of

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Thank you, Robin.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – my dog tries to jump up on the table.  he did it today when I wasn’t there and he ate my nephew’s food.  My sister was home, I wasn’t. My mom said if he does it again, he will have to find a new house.  I believe her.  She will kick him (rather us as I will never get rid of him) out.  what should I do?  she I squirt him with water when he tries to jump on the chairs?  I don’t want to have to smack him bottom or nose or something like that. Should I feed him from the table so he is not so desparate to get up there? or will that make it worse?  right now, he NEVER gets anything from the table.  thanks for any help. why don’t you tie him outside during the meals and if he try to go on the table do the same go tie him and verbally reprehend him . He needs to  learn it’s not ok to jump on table. I would also suggest you go a do basic obedience training you need to learn how to control your do,, good luck I’m only jumping in on this thread now, so don’t know if the Puppy Wizard responded to the original poster with a link to his Wit’s End Dog Training Manual, which he offers at no cost.   Although you are correct to say the dog needs to learn to not jump on the table, and your suggestion would certainly contain the dog,  I don’t think it would TEACH the dog very effectively or quickly. The Puppy Wizard (Jerry) offers a very quick, kind and gentle way to teach a dog anything, even eliminating separation anxiety and allergies. I hope the original poster sees this, and if you own a dog, perhaps you might be interested in taking a look also.  You’ll find it’s so much quicker (and kinder, and gentler) than any other method.  The proof is in the pudding, right?  Just give it a try.  You’ve heard the old saying, you get more with honey than vinegar.  If you do try this method and find it effective, please pass it on to other pet owners. You’ll be doing a good deed. I’m planning to email it to my friends, relatives, and business associates who are pet owners as a Christmas or Chanukah gift. And more, if you have any questions about the training method, or run into difficulties, unlike the tone of many of the Puppy Wizard’s posts (aka the Grim Reaper), you’ll find him extremely helpful, always available, patient (yes, I said patient:) and kind (yes, I said kind:). Here’s the link: http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html Robin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – my dog tries to jump up on the table.  he did it today when I wasn’t there and he ate my nephew’s food.  My sister was home, I wasn’t.  My mom said if he does it again, he will have to find a new house.  I believe her.  She will kick him (rather us as I will never get rid of him) out.  what should I do?  she I squirt him with water when he tries to jump on the chairs?  I don’t want to have to smack him bottom or nose or something like that. Should I feed him from the table so he is not so desparate to get up there? or will that make it worse?  right now, he NEVER gets anything from the table.  thanks for any help. why don’t you tie him outside during the meals and if he try to go on the table do the same go tie him and verbally reprehend him . He needs to  learn it’s not ok to jump on table. I would also suggest you go a do basic obedience training you need to learn how to control your do,, good luck

I’m only jumping in on this thread now, so don’t know if the Puppy Wizard responded to the original poster with a link to his Wit’s End Dog Training Manual, which he offers at no cost.   Although you are correct to say the dog needs to learn to not jump on the table, and your suggestion would certainly contain the dog,  I don’t think it would TEACH the dog very effectively or quickly.   The Puppy Wizard (Jerry) offers a very quick, kind and gentle way to teach a dog anything, even eliminating separation anxiety and allergies.   I hope the original poster sees this, and if you own a dog, perhaps you might be interested in taking a look also.  You’ll find it’s so much quicker (and kinder, and gentler) than any other method.  The proof is in the pudding, right?  Just give it a try.  You’ve heard the old saying, you get more with honey than vinegar.  If you do try this method and find it effective, please pass it on to other pet owners.  You’ll be doing a good deed. I’m planning to email it to my friends, relatives, and business associates who are pet owners as a Christmas or Chanukah gift.   And more, if you have any questions about the training method, or run into difficulties, unlike the tone of many of the Puppy Wizard’s posts (aka the Grim Reaper), you’ll find him extremely helpful, always available, patient (yes, I said patient:) and kind (yes, I said kind:). Here’s the link: http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html Robin

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my dog tries to jump up on the table.  he did it today when I wasn’t there and he ate my nephew’s food.  My sister was home, I wasn’t.  My mom said if he does it again, he will have to find a new house.  I believe her.  She will kick him (rather us as I will never get rid of him) out.  what should I do?  she I squirt him with water when he tries to jump on the chairs?  I don’t want to have to smack him bottom or nose or something like that. Should I feed him from the table so he is not so desparate to get up there? or will that make it worse?  right now, he NEVER gets anything from the table.  thanks for any help.

why don’t you tie him outside during the meals and if he try to go on the table do the same go tie him and verbally reprehend him . He needs to  learn it’s not ok to jump on table. I would also suggest you go a do basic obedience training you need to learn how to control your do,, good luck

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You’re INSANE.

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HOWEDY mauijnp, Cc’s for EMBARRASSMENT FACTOR:

my dog tries to jump up on the table.

THAT’S a HARD WIRED SELF REWARDING behavior, mauijnp: "Remember this – The decision to "do right" that most helps a dog’s character is the decision that he makes himself. You cannot teach a dog to not want something, any more than you can teach a human not to  want something." You’ll have to put sumpthin on top of the table so IT can’t get up there. Or you could move the table where your dog can’t get to it. OR you can lock your dog in a box and SOLVE the problem. Same same for stealin food off the C-HOWENTER. When your dog C-HOWENTER SURFS or chases your garbage can or attacks the kids or disembHOWELS your kat hit yourself on top of your head with a news paper and say "I SHOULDN’T TRUST my DOG." he did it today when I wasn’t there

You got to MANAGE your dog, mauijnp. You gotta BE RESPONSIBLE. You gotta PROTECT your dog from trHOWEBLE. and he ate my nephew’s food.

TEACH them to SHARE and SHARE alike. SUPERVISE! SUPERVISE! SUPERVISE! Dogs are SCAVENGERS. They STEAL scraps of food and run to hide to eat it with their back to the wall in a heightened state of alert. Dogs should NEVER be TRUSTED alone with CHILDREN. My sister was home, I wasn’t.

She should have served the dog with her kid. It’s IMPOLITE to eat in front of someWON who AIN’T got no food. My mom said if he does it again, he will have to find a new house.

That’s rather INTOLERANT of mumzie. Perhaps THAT’S HOWE COME you learned HOWE to abuse your dog, mauijnp?   I believe her.

Has your mumzie always been an abuser? Perhaps if your mumzie TAUGHT YOU HOWE to BE RESPONSIBLE she’d not be COMPLAININ abHOWET YOUR DOG gettin in trHOWEBLE and THREATENIN to MURDER your dog for you, mauijnp. Next time mumzie bitches at you abHOWET the NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE behaviors of the domestic puppy dog that YOU ain’t got the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit even after The Amazing Puppy Wizard and HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wit’s End  Dog Training Method Manual Students all over the Whole Wild World told you HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE, to boot, tell her SHE’S THE BOSS and SHE should ENFORCE DISCIPLINE and punish the puppy herself instead of makin YOU HOWET to be the BAD GUY for NOT BEIN THERE to MANAGE your puppy. So just tell her it was HER FAULT you grew up to be IRRESPONSIBLE SELFISH FEARFUL INCONSIDERATE INCOMPETENT and LEARNED to BLAME OTHERS for FAILING to attend to YOUR OWN INALIENABLE RESPONSIBILITIES.   She will kick him

Kick? Naaah. You’re SUPPOSED to "STEP ON HIM". LIKE THIS:

            Kyle,  FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,       and i often call my little dog the turd, because       he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i       would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a       matter of personality.       Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to       step on him once. Seriously. SEE? (rather us as I will never get rid of him) out.

HOWER DOG LOVERS will take you in. They call it RESCUE and SHELTER insead of teachin you HOWE to TRAIN your dog in just a few minutes withHOWET lockin IT in a box and sprayin aversives in ITS face and shockin and chokin IT and walkin IT EVERY HOWER to AVOID HOWEsbreakin "MISTAKES".  what should I do?

You got to OBEDIENCE TRAIN IT. she I squirt him with water when he tries to jump on the chairs?

You’ll need to mix it with vinegar and lemon juice. You can TRAIN him NOT to jump on the furniture by givin him an ALTERNATE INCOMPATIBLE BEHAVIOR, like lockin IT in a crate or givin IT a five mile run behind your bicycle like HOWE professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and ‘SCREAM NO! into ITS face for 5 seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer of the UofWI department of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM does his little dog Maxie The Magnificent FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive Masturbator to CON-TROLL his OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE anxiHOWESNESS MASTURBATION DISORDER. OR you could TRAIN him by puttin a STEAK on the floor in front of the chair and tell your dog to lie there and EAT IT. HE WILL! TRUST Your Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~  )   So long as you strategically put steaks arHOWEND in front of furniture HE WON’T JUMP ON IT.  I don’t want to have to smack him bottom or nose or something like that.

RIGHT! OF CURSE NOT!           "I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A           Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single           Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A           Dog Is Anything But Destructive. I don’t           see why anyone would want to choke or           beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly           get a good working dog by making them unhapper,           fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl. lying frosty dahl sez she doesn’t twist: "None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to Jerry Howe’s attacks, encourage anyone to twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate, frighten, or any of the crap he constantly attributes to me. lying frosty dahl says: "To me, training a dog without using intimidation, confrontation, or punishment is, indeed, everything.  I certainly reject "force" as Marilyn defines it.  And "fear" can be included under the category of intimidation. Not a one of these is constructive in the training of a dog; all are bad for the dog/handler relationship, the dog’s confidence, the dog’s ultimate potential, etc. But I do make use of tools and methods which I believe to cause physical discomfort, including electric collars, pinch collars, chain collars, switches, and the ear pinch. I just don’t equate the reaction with the tool/method–I look at the dog to know its reaction.  I think that is what some people don’t do:  they are so full of surmises about what causes what, that they never bother to regard the dog as the authority." Amy. professional trainers, John and Amy Dahl. "Around four months many puppies can withstand a correction. Unfortunately this is the time they start teething and if their mouth hurts, they may act generally sensitive. If this is the case, be patient and wait for all those baby teeth to fall out. In training, retrievers often respond to physical correction better than verbal correction. While "NO!" is extremely useful if puppy is about to bite an electrical cord or steal food off the table, when you are teaching them something (like obedience) a sharp jerk on their lead or swat with a stick gets the message across with less emotion and less effect on their confidence. If they drop the dummy and act like their mouth hurts when they are teething, stop all retrieving and wait for their mouth to feel better. A correction should be just severe enough to get the dog to respond. Repeated weak corrections are very stressful to the dog."  Amy Dahl writes:

"From where I sit, there is a difference.  I haven’t noticed any of the contingent who like Koehler trying to force their method on everyone, or calling others names because they do not use the method. I personally believe the Koehler method is a more humane way of teaching than any alternative I have studied. And I am not averse to learning–I have studied a number of methods. Koehler, of course, stops far short of the specialized work I do with retrievers, and some of the things in his book, such as making the dog walk behind the handler on the "finish," are inappropriate for retriever work. Why do I think Koehler’s method is more humane than others? First, I don’t believe "corrections vs. no corrections" is as significant to dogs as it is to people.  Applied correctly, Koehler’s method uses *no* intimidation, fear, or emotional manipulation.  It is clear and definite, and the handler’s actions are always predictable.  The method is masterfully designed to prevent confrontation or vying for control in any way.  It places high demands of responsibility on the trainer, and takes a great deal of commitment to do correctly, so it is not for the casual "dabbler."  When done well,very few corrections are needed. In brief, I think the clarity, predictability, and absence of emotional blackmail weigh more strongly in the method’s favor, than the occasional brief unpleasantness of correction weighs against it." lying frosty dahl.

"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." lying frosty dahl CONtinues:           "On the other extreme, the really hard dogs           we have trained require much more frequent           and heavy application of pressure (PAIN j.h.)           to get the job done. This is continued resistance           to your increasing authority, and the job is not           done until it is overcome.        Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And        Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump        With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,        discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors." Perhaps the mom dog didn’t want her babies HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS? "John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the rump with a training stick while holding him partially off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back to the line and cast him back to the dummies." The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog … read more »

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my dog tries to jump up on the table.  he did it today when I wasn’t there and he ate my nephew’s food.  My sister was home, I wasn’t.  My mom said if he does it again, he will have to find a new house.  I believe her.  She will kick him (rather us as I will never get rid of him) out.  what should I do?  she I squirt him with water when he tries to jump on the chairs?  I don’t want to have to smack him bottom or nose or something like that. Should I feed him from the table so he is not so desparate to get up there? or will that make it worse?  right now, he NEVER gets anything from the table.  thanks for any help.

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goodnight to all my fans.

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i hope you all sleep well out in sleepyland :) – k i t z – sticks and stones may break my bones but you’re a big loser and your mom is fat so shut up!  hahahahaha!

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kitznegari thinks it has wings wrote: > i hope you all sleep well out in sleepyland :) > – k i t z – > sticks and stones may break my bones > but you’re a big loser and your mom is fat > so shut up!  hahahahaha!

Considering my furnace actually works tonight I sure will sleep well. No curling up in a fetal position under a mountain of blankets for me tonight. — halfblo…@softNSMOOTHhome.net — Shredding the instructions for the shredder. Talk about your mindblowing irony… Dare I? Look at it go! … Now where the hell is that speed control? –

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Night. I guess it is not your fault that you are not woman enough to bag a guy like Joel Crum. Maybe robert maas will take you in.

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"kitznegari thinks it has wings" <kitzneg…@aol.com> wrote in message news:20041130015546.08198.00001658@mb-m04.aol.com… > i hope you all sleep well out in sleepyland :)

rot. – m i t z –

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>No curling up in a fetal position under a mountain of blankets for me >tonight.

but… but that’s the best part!! – k i t z – sticks and stones may break my bones but you’re a big loser and your mom is fat so shut up!  hahahahaha!

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kitznegari thinks it has wings wrote: >>No curling up in a fetal position under a mountain of blankets for me >>tonight. > but… but that’s the best part!! > – k i t z – > sticks and stones may break my bones > but you’re a big loser and your mom is fat > so shut up!  hahahahaha!

Don’t mock me my friend. It’s a condition of mental divergence. I find myself on the planet Ogo, part of an intellectual elite, preparing to subjugate the barbarian hordes on Pluto. But even though this is a totally convincing reality for me in every way, nevertheless Ogo is actually a construct of my psyche. I am mentally divergent, in that I am escaping certain unnamed realities that plague my life here. When I stop going there, I will be well. Are you also divergent, friend? — halfblo…@softSNOWYhome.net — Walk into Citibank or Chembank computer customer service area during a busy period, take a shit on the floor, then leave. –

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>Don’t mock me my friend. It’s a condition of mental divergence. I find >myself on the planet Ogo, part of an intellectual elite, preparing to >subjugate the barbarian hordes on Pluto. But even though this is a >totally convincing reality for me in every way, nevertheless Ogo is >actually a construct of my psyche. I am mentally divergent, in that I am >escaping certain unnamed realities that plague my life here. When I stop >going there, I will be well. Are you also divergent, friend?

you’re not divergent, you’re stupid and annoying. – k i t z – sticks and stones may break my bones but you’re a big loser and your mom is fat so shut up!  hahahahaha!

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"Kitz_murdered_our_gallery" <kitz_lost_our_gall…@yahoo.com> wrote in message <news:12d928786db635561fa88e5ab2f6771a@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com>… > Maybe robert maas will take you in.

  One would have to be very lucky for this to happen.  Robert Maas is a real man. H.

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 > you’re not divergent, you’re stupid and annoying.  >  > – k i t z –  > sticks and stones may break my bones  > but you’re a big loser and your mom is fat  > so shut up!  hahahahaha! Say what you will about me! I comprehend very little of it anyway! — halfblo…@softCHINNNhome.net — Hey, Hey! Now calm down… Ninjas aren’t dangerous. They’re more afraid of you than you are of them… –

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kitzneg…@aol.com (kitznegari thinks it has wings) wrote in message <news:20041130015546.08198.00001658@mb-m04.aol.com>… > i hope you all sleep well out in sleepyland :) > – k i t z – > sticks and stones may break my bones > but you’re a big loser and your mom is fat > so shut up!  hahahahaha!

I love you you are beautiful

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>I love you you are beautiful

shut the hell up, nobody. – k i t z – sticks and stones may break my bones but you’re a big loser and your mom is fat so shut up!  hahahahaha!

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> From: htswe…@yahoo.com (Heather) > Date: 1 Dec 2004 14:17:17 -0800

I found this just today when explicitly searching for anything Heather has ever posted. It’s posted via Google, hence it cannot be forged, it must be by somebody who knows Heather’s password on Google, which means at some time she also knew Heather’s password on Yahoo in order to either confirm creation of the Google account linked to it or get a new password on Google. But I thought Heather didn’t want me to talk about her on the newsgroup, and now (3 years ago) she was suddenly posting an open message baiting me to respond? And sorry, I didn’t see it until now. Heather should have connected to my uh3t site and sent me an instant alert to have me notice the posted article in a timely manner. Note that I thought she was dead at the time (2004.Dec), because she stopped sending me e-mail 2003.Oct and her whole e-mail account went dead due to inactivity a few months after that. But she e-mailed me a suicide note about 5-6 months later, so at that point I finally knew she was still alive when she sent it (although not necessarily still alive by the time I saw it a few hours later), but I had to suffer an extra 5 months not knowing if she was alive or dead because I didn’t see the newsgroup article until after the e-mail 5 months later. So did Heather decide, in late 2004, that she no longer finds any offense at seeing me talk about her on the newsgroup? When I talked about her circa 2003.Aug-Sep, some ASSholes sent her very hurtful e-mail, which made her cry for an hour in the middle of her e-mail to me, and she blamed that all that pain on what I had posted Aug-Sep. I find it strange that just 15 months after that disaster she’d come online to actually seek me to post something about her. But then Heather has alwasys been strange, in a sweet loveable yet freaky way. I wish I could meet Heather in person and spend many hours per week together so that I could finally begin to really understand her. > > Maybe robert maas will take you in. > One would have to be very lucky for this to happen. > Robert Maas is a real man.

If that’s what you believe, then why when you were homeless for an entire year did you not once let me know, so that I might offer to let you stay with me, at least on really cold nights where the embarrassment of meeting me in person wasn’t as bad as freezing your gorgeous tits and ass off? Do you know how very much it hurt me, after the fact, to learn you totally disrespect me in the sense of considering me to be worthless to you? Please apologize to me, and offer your lips to mine as penance, so that I can forgive you 100%. Where I live now is a secure building with restricted visiting, so I wouldn’t be able to take you in now. But I met a gal at the Farmer’s Market in Sunnyvale who is very generous and who is very curious about you, and I think I could convince her to take you in (on my behalf) if you just asked. You’d still need to meet me in person at the Farmer’s Market (Saturdays, I usually go there around 11:30 or noon and stay until closing) and then have me introduce you to her and plead for her help. Or you could just go to the Armory on Maude if you don’t mind sleeping on a mat on the floor with cigarette smoke flowing along the floor through the open front door. You could go there first then telephone me from there to request a less smelly place to stay. I’d be glad to ride the #22 bus back and forth all night, holding you in my arms, or I might even risk sneaking you in my apartment without permission if we can catch the front-desk person away for a minute. Or we could sit in the lobby all night, where I hold you in my arms until the front desk person decided to bend the rules to allow you to come to my room. Except you’re not homeless currently, right? Nevermind. Wait a minute. If you killed yourself shortly after you sent me that final e-mail suicide note 2.5 years ago, does that now count as homeless or not? Do dead people have a home or not? Are dead people homeless or not? Everyone reading this article, please weigh in the answer to those two questions. Meanwhile, if you are still alive, why don’t you e-mail me? All you have to do is ask me privately not to post about you, to send all my love-letters directly to you instead of posting on newsgroups. And I do still love you and crave to meet you in person and we then hold hands and/or bodies. I would hold you in my arms so gently and sweetly you’d never want to leave my arms. Update: I strolled around the building before going online to post this article. While I was in the front lobby a few minutes ago the person at the front desk took a lunch break in the conference room, wasn’t watching the lobby, so I could have snuck you in the building and to my room without anyone knowing. I wish you had chanced to come to the door right then. You would be with me now, and I wouldn’t be posting this, I’d be loving you right over there, 4 feet to the left of where I’m now sitting, i.e. on my bed, forsaking all others including the folks in this newsgroup. I fantasize the feeling of your face against my lips, and your puffy aureoles inside my lips, and the feeling of your nipple as my tongue explores it, and it hurts that none of that is real. — Nobody in their right mind likes spammers, nor their automated assistants. To gain access to this site, you must demonstrate you’re not one of them. Please spend a few seconds to try to read the text-picture in this box: /———————————————————————— |  |~_ _ ._  _      o_|_|_   _|_|_  _  | _    _._ _      |_  _   | __|_  | |  |_|(_)| |}_  //| | | |   | | |}_  |(_)/}_| _  //| |(_)  |}_ |   | |  _|_|_  _o._   _|._ _ _ ._ _  _   _| _|) _ .__|_                       | |   | | |}_||   (_|| }_(_|| | |_  (_|}_| (_||  | o                      | –(Rendered by means of <http://www.schnoggo.com/figlet.html>)———-/ Then enter your best guess of the text (40-60 chars) into this TextField:   +————————————————————+   |                                                            |   +————————————————————+

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On Dec 26, 3:38 am, Troll <tr…@master.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> rem6…@yahoo.com (Robert Maas, seehttp://tinyurl.com/uh3t) wrote innews:rem-2007dec25-001@yahoo.com: > >> From: htswe…@yahoo.com (Heather) > >> Date: 1 Dec 2004 14:17:17 -0800 > > I found this just today when explicitly searching for anything > > Heather has ever posted. It’s posted via Google, hence it cannot be > > forged, it must be by somebody who knows Heather’s password on > > Google, which means at some time she also knew Heather’s password > > on Yahoo in order to either confirm creation of the Google account > > linked to it or get a new password on Google. > > But I thought Heather didn’t want me to talk about her on the > > newsgroup, and now (3 years ago) she was suddenly posting an open > > message baiting me to respond? And sorry, I didn’t see it until > > now. Heather should have connected to my uh3t site and sent me an > > instant alert to have me notice the posted article in a timely > > manner. > > Note that I thought she was dead at the time (2004.Dec), because > > she stopped sending me e-mail 2003.Oct and her whole e-mail account > > went dead due to inactivity a few months after that. But she > > e-mailed me a suicide note about 5-6 months later, so at that point > > I finally knew she was still alive when she sent it (although not > > necessarily still alive by the time I saw it a few hours later), > > but I had to suffer an extra 5 months not knowing if she was alive > > or dead because I didn’t see the newsgroup article until after the > > e-mail 5 months later. > > So did Heather decide, in late 2004, that she no longer finds any > > offense at seeing me talk about her on the newsgroup? When I talked > > about her circa 2003.Aug-Sep, some ASSholes sent her very hurtful > > e-mail, which made her cry for an hour in the middle of her e-mail > > to me, and she blamed that all that pain on what I had posted > > Aug-Sep. I find it strange that just 15 months after that disaster > > she’d come online to actually seek me to post something about her. > > But then Heather has alwasys been strange, in a sweet loveable yet > > freaky way. I wish I could meet Heather in person and spend many > > hours per week together so that I could finally begin to really > > understand her. > >> > Maybe robert maas will take you in. > >> One would have to be very lucky for this to happen. > >> Robert Maas is a real man. > > If that’s what you believe, then why when you were homeless for an > > entire year did you not once let me know, so that I might offer to > > let you stay with me, at least on really cold nights where the > > embarrassment of meeting me in person wasn’t as bad as freezing > > your gorgeous tits and ass off? Do you know how very much it hurt > > me, after the fact, to learn you totally disrespect me in the sense > > of considering me to be worthless to you? Please apologize to me, > > and offer your lips to mine as penance, so that I can forgive you > > 100%. > > Where I live now is a secure building with restricted visiting, so > > I wouldn’t be able to take you in now. But I met a gal at the > > Farmer’s Market in Sunnyvale who is very generous and who is very > > curious about you, and I think I could convince her to take you in > > (on my behalf) if you just asked. You’d still need to meet me in > > person at the Farmer’s Market (Saturdays, I usually go there around > > 11:30 or noon and stay until closing) and then have me introduce > > you to her and plead for her help. Or you could just go > > to the Armory on Maude if you don’t mind sleeping on a mat on > > the floor with cigarette smoke flowing along the floor through > > the open front door. You could go there first then telephone me > > from there to request a less smelly place to stay. I’d be glad to > > ride the #22 bus back and forth all night, holding you in my arms, > > or I might even risk sneaking you in my apartment without > > permission if we can catch the front-desk person away for a minute. > > Or we could sit in the lobby all night, where I hold you in my arms > > until the front desk person decided to bend the rules to allow you > > to come to my room. > > Except you’re not homeless currently, right? Nevermind. > > Wait a minute. If you killed yourself shortly after you sent me > > that final e-mail suicide note 2.5 years ago, does that now count > > as homeless or not? Do dead people have a home or not? Are dead > > people homeless or not? Everyone reading this article, please weigh > > in the answer to those two questions. > > Meanwhile, if you are still alive, why don’t you e-mail me? > > All you have to do is ask me privately not to post about you, to > > send all my love-letters directly to you instead of posting on > > newsgroups. And I do still love you and crave to meet you in person > > and we then hold hands and/or bodies. I would hold you in my arms > > so gently and sweetly you’d never want to leave my arms. > > Update: I strolled around the building before going online to post > > this article. While I was in the front lobby a few minutes ago the > > person at the front desk took a lunch break in the conference room, > > wasn’t watching the lobby, so I could have snuck you in the > > building and to my room without anyone knowing. I wish you had > > chanced to come to the door right then. You would be with me now, > > and I wouldn’t be posting this, I’d be loving you right over there, > > 4 feet to the left of where I’m now sitting, i.e. on my bed, > > forsaking all others including the folks in this newsgroup. I > > fantasize the feeling of your face against my lips, and your puffy > > aureoles inside my lips, and the feeling of your nipple as my > > tongue explores it, and it hurts that none of that is real. > > — > > Nobody in their right mind likes spammers, nor their automated > > assistants. To gain access to this site, you must demonstrate you’re > > not one of them. Please spend a few seconds to try to read the > > text-picture in this box: > > /———————————————————————- > > — > >|  |~_ _ ._  _      o_|_|_   _|_|_  _  | _    _._ _      |_  _   | __|_ > >|  | | _|(_)| |}_  //| | | |   | | |}_  |(_)/}_| _  //| |(_)  |}_ > >|  ||   | > >|  _|_|_  _o._   _|._ _ _ ._ _  _   _| _|) _ .__|_ > >|   | > >|   | | |}_||   (_|| }_(_|| | |_  (_|}_| (_||  | o > >|   | | | | > > –(Rendered by means of > > <http://www.schnoggo.com/figlet.html>)———-/ > > Then enter your best guess of the text (40-60 chars) into this > > TextField: > >   +————————————————————+ > >  |                                                            | > >   +————————————————————+ > Your obsession grows day by day. Find some escort service and use it > accordingly.

Forget the past, live for what is now and prepare for tomorrow. Put all things happened in the past as a dream, where now you awake and realize it is not true.

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Nil wrote: > Forget the past, live for what is now and prepare for tomorrow.

( history lecturers are exempt from that advice though ;) )

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On Dec 26, 6:54 pm, fake-name <fake-n…@fake-address.example.com> wrote: > Nil wrote: > > Forget the past, live for what is now and prepare for tomorrow. > ( history lecturers are exempt from that advice though ;) )

What about you janila? Would you dare to comfort a man in grief? Of course, if he will listen to me. Almost seven years  i am suffering on that feeling. Losing someone in just one click of a finger that i don’t know where to go.  Much better if the person you love you have known he/she only with in just a couple of months, of days. At least you prepare yourself what so ever the outcomes of everything. Thinking about that i know he is only 2% chances to survived. But i don’t ever losing my hope that he will fight to death because of me and our kids. But he really leaved us, Where until now i am still on that feeling, Looking back the shadow of the past, remembering the happiness moment of my life. Nil

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> > i hope you all sleep well out in sleepyland :) > > – k i t z – > > sticks and stones may break my bones > > but you’re a big loser and your mom is fat > > so shut up!  hahahahaha! > From: jizzlob…@intergate.com (Jizzlobber) > I love you you are beautiful

Do you know of an online photo of her so that I might judge whether she really is beautiful (perhaps as beautiful as ErinH or AliMacGraw or MauraTierney or CarrieSandeen)? I’m not beautiful, in fact I’ve been as ugly as W.C.Fields since the day I was born, but do you by chance love me anyway? Or do you love only beautiful people? Heather Thompson isn’t beautiful, but she’s awfully cute and pretty, and I love her totally and completely. Rosana Datti wasn’t beautiful either when I last saw her (1987), but she was even prettier than Heather, and she kissed me passionately and told me she’d marry me if she weren’t already engaged to somebody else, so I still love her too. I still love Minna too, even though I didn’t even know she existed until she had already killed herself. If there’s a Heaven, maybe she’ll let me join her there, and we can finally talk. Lonely, so alone that I could cry, I want to be wanted. Lonely, watching lovers passing by, I want to be wanted. When we kiss, I want her lips to really kiss me. And when we’re apart, I want her ‘heart’ to really miss me. But I’ve never been wanted by anyone, not even by HeatherT or LitalR or CateDreamLover or CarrieS. So unless ErinH accepts my offer to spend NYE with me tonight, or HeatherT shows up by total surprise after 2.7 years incommunicado, or LitalR shows up by total surprise after 7.7 years incommunicado, o somebody I can’t even guess shows up out of nowhere, I’ll be alone again, in a crowd of people who have each other, while I sit alone crying the whole night, because I have nobody, ever. To the several women I love, you know your names, I’ve posted them so many times all the regulars here know whom I love (HT/EH/LR/CS/CS/AB/JG), all you have to do is come here this evening and claim all my love. It’s your move. The ball is in your court. I await your response.

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mayonnaise

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On Dec 31, 3:52 pm, "%" <pers…@gmail.com> wrote: > mayonnaise

If you wish since it is New Year try to include me then in your lists:))

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Nil wrote: > On Dec 31, 3:52 pm, "%" <pers…@gmail.com> wrote: >> mayonnaise > If you wish since it is New Year try to include me then in your > lists:))

don’t be like that

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On Dec 31, 4:43 pm, "%" <pers…@gmail.com> wrote: > Nil wrote: > > On Dec 31, 3:52 pm, "%" <pers…@gmail.com> wrote: > >> mayonnaise > > If you wish since it is New Year try to include me then in your > > lists:)) > don’t be like that

Who cares????

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Nil wrote: > On Dec 31, 4:43 pm, "%" <pers…@gmail.com> wrote: >> Nil wrote: >>> On Dec 31, 3:52 pm, "%" <pers…@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> mayonnaise >>> If you wish since it is New Year try to include me then in your >>> lists:)) >> don’t be like that > Who cares????

see how you get

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> From: Nil <janila…@gmail.com> > Forget the past, live for what is now and prepare for tomorrow. > Put all things happened in the past as a dream, where now you > awake and realize it is not true.

That’s not good advice at all. In the past I had: -1957- A very pretty gal, who looked very much like a young Debbie   Reynolds, only a year or two younger than me, who invited me to   her family’s home to try to teach me rock-and-roll dancing which   I hadn’t been able to teach myself. But she failed at teaching. -1959- A very pretty red-haired gal, only a year or two younger   than me, who invited me to play "spin the bottle" with her and   her friends. But her military dad moved them away. -1967- A nice looking gal who let me take her to the beach twice,   and the second time she let me kiss her intimately for 20 minutes,   my first kiss longer than a half-second peck. But she dumped me   later that same day. -1969- A beautiful dyed-red-hair woman only 5 years younger than me, who was   majoring in mathematics at SCU, and who liked me enough to let me   spend hours per week sitting in my car necking with me. But she   decided she would rather move back to Queens NYC instead of staying   in California. -1971- A beautiful gal who let me park and neck with her several   hours each weekend, and towards the end she also encouraged me to   feel her breasts. But she got bored with me and broke up. -1973- One of the most beautiful women I ever met, only 8 years   younger than me, who baked me sugury pumpkin pies, and went to   the beach with me, and said she’d let me end my virginity with   her. But I didn’t get an instant erection when I saw her nude   body, so she decided I didn’t want sex *hard* enough. -1983- My only live-in girlfriend, only 9 years younger than me,   taking showers together, and she’d be washing dishes or cooking   while I’d be sitting on the computer terminal earning money to   support us, and every so often she’d come up behind me and start   kissing me. Estelle was my best girlfriend ever. But just once I   mentionned her lithium breath and she went bonkers and was gone. -1987- A gorgeous woman who was also expert at bio-chemistry, who   kissed me intimately far better than anyone else ever, and who   told me she loved me and would marry me if she weren’t already   engaged to somebody else. But even though she knew her fianc{e’}   was cheating on her, she chose to go back to him instead of dump   him and marry me. -1988- A very pretty woman who said she loved me very very very   much only days after we met, and let me have sex with her four   times every day, and even got a marriage license with me. But two   weeks later she had turned totally against me. -2003- A very pretty woman 34 years younger than me found me so   attractive that she gave me free cognitive behavioural training   to get me to not be so verbose, and she stood me in front of the   mirror to show me all the features on my face that she specially   liked (my strong chin, my thin but nice lips, my scruffy   eyebrows, etc.). But I wouldn’t let her hit me with her beer bottle   so she left me forever. Now compare that to what I have now: – Not one nice person I can even call on the telephone much less    get together with on any regular basis. – One local (Sunnyvale) penpal who was rather beautiful the three    times I saw her last year, but the thought that I am attracted    to her gives her the "heebie jeebies", and she has decided we can    never be friends or even active acquaintances, and hugging her    is totally forbidden (but she can blatantly hug another guy    "friend" right in front of me), and sees me as a worthless charity case. – Another penpal who lives in Pennsylvania and sent me a bunch of    CDs she burned for me, but frequently sends me extremely derogatory    e-mail, and she insists she doesn’t have any feelings for me. – The gal from 1987 now living in NC and sending me extremely harsh    e-mail such as threatening to tell her father to contact his    friends in Italy to put me to death, and specifically telling me    that I’m the devil, just because I fondly remember her from 1987    and never will forget how nice she was back then. – I’ve had nobody for affectionate hugs in more than four years. So you recommend all the nice stuff from the past should be dismissed as nothing but a dream to be forgotten, and I should live for the terrible lonely life I have now with no prospect of anyone ever treating me with love or affection? I’d rather be dead.

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> From: Troll <tr…@master.com> > What about you janila? Would you dare to comfort a man in grief?

Does janila reside close enough to Sunnyvale that comforting me would be even possible?

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> > What about you janila? Would you dare to comfort a man in grief? > From: Nil <janila…@gmail.com> > Of course, if he will listen to me.

Actually I’d be glad to help you learn English. > Almost seven years i am suffering on that feeling.

Say what?? > Losing someone in just one click of a finger that i don’t know where to go.

Say what?? > Much better if the person you love you have known he/she only > with in just a couple of months, of days.

Say what?? > At least you prepare yourself what so ever the outcomes of everything.

Say what?? > Thinking about that i know he is only 2% chances to survived.

Say what?? > But i don’t ever losing my hope that he will fight to death > because of me and our kids.

Say what?? > But he really leaved us,

Say what?? > Where until now i am still on that feeling,

Say what?? > Looking back the shadow of the past, remembering the happiness > moment of my life.

Say what?? I have a better idea. Teaching you English is likely to be too frustrating for me. But if you have a wet vagina, I think we can make each other somewhat happy. Want to come over Saturday afternoon and give it a try?

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On Jan 5, 8:14

1 and a half year old german shepherd is afraid of our new house

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Is it me or dose this puppy wizard asshole think there’s a need for him to comment on everything any one says … maybe he needs to get a life find a woman and get laid

Oh – trust me.  It’s not you.  He’s simply insane.  Really.  So, whatever he says, just laugh at it, because it’s ridiculous. Have you seen his picture?  The poor wanker will never get laid, so, I can understand his frustration…

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HOWEDY scotty, Cc’s for EMBARRASSMENT FACTOR:

Is it me

You KNOW decent people DO NOT post here abHOWETS. or dose this puppy wizard

You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard, scotty <{) ; ~  )    asshole

The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Forums are FAMILY news groups, dog abuser. The Amazing Puppy Wizard has been KINDLY and HOWEspitable towards you. HOWE COME you’re PROVOKED? think there’s a need for him to comment on everything any one says …

The Amazing Puppy Wizard is only interested in the workings of the human mind, scotty. This has NOT been abHOWET DOG BEHAVIOR for a couple years NHOWE. You’ve posted to The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORY. Your posts INTRIGUE The Amazing Puppy Wizard given what WE KNOW abHOWET the posters here abHOWETS. Wouldn’t you agree, scotty? maybe he needs to get a life

The Amazing Puppy Wizard believes we’re ALL eternal, scotty. IN FACT, we’ve been fighting each other since pryor to Cain MURDERIN Able, and it’s CONtinued through the ages till today and will CONtinue FOREVER, so long as people FEAR EVIL and PUNISH BAD BEHAVIORS. We’re talkin abHOWET GOOD Vs EVIL, scotty. "You’re JUDGED BY the company you keep," The Puppy Wizard’s DADDY. THAT’S HOWE COME DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS. find a woman and get laid

The Amazing Puppy Wizard can have ANY woman HE desires, scotty. It AIN’T no different than trainin dogs, scotty. The Amazing Puppy Wizard GETS 100% TOTAL NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS EVERY TIME all over the Whole Wild World on accHOWENT of DOG TRAININ AIN’T LUCK.               YOU GET THE CRITTER YOU TRAINED.                      ALL Critters Only Respond In           PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL                    INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;   To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment                      Which We Create For Them.                             A DOG Is A Dog;                          As A KAT Is A KAT;                       As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;                      As A CHILD IS A CHILD;              As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.   ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING        "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior                                      Never Change,            Or They’d Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain                 Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results                            For All Handler’s And All Dogs,                                   NEARLY INSTANTLY,        As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard’s       FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual,"                              The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ )          Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."             We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions                   And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.                      ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?                     ,-._,-,                     V)"(V                     (_o_)  Have a great day!                      /  V)                     (l l l)  Your Puppy Wizard. <{}YPW; ~ }                      oo-oo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message HOWEDY Lord Durron, ever stop to think The Amazing Puppy Wizard has pawsed to think of EVERY THING, abHOWET dogs and behavior.  your house may be haunted .. Could be. Lucky thing the OP’s got a dog to protect him from unevolved or wayward Spirits. dogs are way more in tune  with those aspects of life Perhaps. HOWEver, the unseen world is likeWIZE unseen in the scientific principles of behavior, therefore they don’t agree, disagree, or conflict:       "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior                                     Never Change,           Or They’d Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain                Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results                           For All Handler’s And All Dogs,                                  NEARLY INSTANTLY,       As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard’s      FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual,"                             The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ )   if he is scared  ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING                     ALL Critters Only Respond In          PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL                   INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;  To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment                     Which We Create For Them. there may be a reason has he ever acted scared like that any where else? Perhaps the OP didn’t EXXXPLAIN to his dog they was movin and didn’t show him arHOWEND his new HOWES and introduce him to any phantazams? While he’s doin that he could praise the poltergiests and make them very HAPPY, to boot.                            A DOG Is A Dog;                         As A KAT Is A KAT;                      As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;                     As A CHILD IS A CHILD;             As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.               "It is by muteness that a dog becomes                          so utterly beyond value."                         Like a confessor Priest?                                  "With him, "                              –John Galsworthy.                Don’t bet your dog won’t tell on you…                         Their behaviors reflect          HOWER words, actions and training quirks.          Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )          "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you                       and you will know each other.         If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,                and what you do not know you will fear.                       What one fears, one destroys."                                Chief Dan George                     ALL Critters Only Respond In          PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL                   INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;  To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment                     Which We Create For Them.       Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."            We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions                  And GET BACK What We TAUGHT. message HOWEDY mr greg, Well as the title says, our german shepherd seems to be afraid of our new house. Your dog is AFRAID on accHOWENT of he don’t have CONfidence in YOU. in the day, he is always looking at the ceilings like he almost afraid of shadows, then he tries to hide behind couches etc. You can EXXXTINGUISH his FEAR if you PRAISE him. I try to play with him to make him more comfortable but he just isnt in the mood for it. On accHOWENT of he’s AFRAID. also at night I had to put boxes under my bed because he forces his 95lbs body underneath it and gets stuck under there. He gets STUCK on accHOWENT of he PAINICKS when he tries to get HOWET. once i pull him out, he runs and hides in the bathroom facing the wall wedged under the toilet! He’s havin PAINICK attacks. You can EXXXTINGUISH that by PRAISING IN ADVANCE and briefly variably and alternately DISTRACTING and PRAISING his FEAR responses. I am at a loss at what to do. You AIN’T gonna get no ADVICE from HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punkg Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES who jerk and choke dogs on pronged spiked pinch choke collars and shock and spray aversives in their dog’s faces and bribe and lock them in boxes and ignore their cries for attention and affection. THAT’S the kind of TRAININ that CAUSES phobias like your dog’s GOT. DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST to HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES. Do they. Thanks for your help in advance. Think abHOWET it. Did you just fall HOWETA the cabbage truck? greg- Here’s the lying dog abusing punk thug coward active long term incurable MENTAL CASES you’re ASKIN for advice, mr greg: By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If that’s what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of crap has got to stop, and that’s why I’m here, to help wean you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of dealing with behavior problems. Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation up until

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Is it me or dose this puppy wizard asshole think there’s a need for him to comment on everything any one says … maybe he needs to get a life find a woman and get laid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HOWEDY Lord Durron, ever stop to think The Amazing Puppy Wizard has pawsed to think of EVERY THING, abHOWET dogs and behavior.  your house may be haunted .. Could be. Lucky thing the OP’s got a dog to protect him from unevolved or wayward Spirits. dogs are way more in tune  with those aspects of life Perhaps. HOWEver, the unseen world is likeWIZE unseen in the scientific principles of behavior, therefore they don’t agree, disagree, or conflict:       "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior                                     Never Change,           Or They’d Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain                Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results                           For All Handler’s And All Dogs,                                  NEARLY INSTANTLY,       As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard’s      FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual,"                             The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ )   if he is scared  ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING                     ALL Critters Only Respond In          PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL                   INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;  To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment                     Which We Create For Them. there may be a reason has he ever acted scared like that any where else? Perhaps the OP didn’t EXXXPLAIN to his dog they was movin and didn’t show him arHOWEND his new HOWES and introduce him to any phantazams? While he’s doin that he could praise the poltergiests and make them very HAPPY, to boot.                            A DOG Is A Dog;                         As A KAT Is A KAT;                      As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;                     As A CHILD IS A CHILD;             As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.               "It is by muteness that a dog becomes                          so utterly beyond value."                         Like a confessor Priest?                                  "With him,                              –John Galsworthy.                Don’t bet your dog won’t tell on you…                         Their behaviors reflect          HOWER words, actions and training quirks.          Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )          "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you                       and you will know each other.         If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,                and what you do not know you will fear.                       What one fears, one destroys."                                Chief Dan George                     ALL Critters Only Respond In          PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL                   INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;  To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment                     Which We Create For Them.       Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."            We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions                  And GET BACK What We TAUGHT. message HOWEDY mr greg, Well as the title says, our german shepherd seems to be afraid of our new house. Your dog is AFRAID on accHOWENT of he don’t have CONfidence in YOU. in the day, he is always looking at the ceilings like he almost afraid of shadows, then he tries to hide behind couches etc. You can EXXXTINGUISH his FEAR if you PRAISE him. I try to play with him to make him more comfortable but he just isnt in the mood for it. On accHOWENT of he’s AFRAID. also at night I had to put boxes under my bed because he forces his 95lbs body underneath it and gets stuck under there. He gets STUCK on accHOWENT of he PAINICKS when he tries to get HOWET. once i pull him out, he runs and hides in the bathroom facing the wall wedged under the toilet! He’s havin PAINICK attacks. You can EXXXTINGUISH that by PRAISING IN ADVANCE and briefly variably and alternately DISTRACTING and PRAISING his FEAR responses. I am at a loss at what to do. You AIN’T gonna get no ADVICE from HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punkg Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES who jerk and choke dogs on pronged spiked pinch choke collars and shock and spray aversives in their dog’s faces and bribe and lock them in boxes and ignore their cries for attention and affection. THAT’S the kind of TRAININ that CAUSES phobias like your dog’s GOT. DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST to HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES. Do they. Thanks for your help in advance. Think abHOWET it. Did you just fall HOWETA the cabbage truck? greg- Here’s the lying dog abusing punk thug coward active long term incurable MENTAL CASES you’re ASKIN for advice, mr greg: By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If that’s what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of crap has got to stop, and that’s why I’m here, to help wean you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of dealing with behavior problems. Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation up until this last paragraph. Why did you blow it? –Matt           Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:           When you compare using sound and           praise to solve a problem with using           shock collars, hanging, and punishment           how can you criticize the use of sound?           There’s nothing more to be said, then.           You’ve made up your mind.           But you’ve impressed me by mentioning           that you’re a professor with 30 years of           experience.           So, can you cite some examples of           people recommending "shock collars,           hanging, and punishment"?           —           –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Jerome Bigge writes: I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we want to do. And neither does anyone else, Jerome. No matter what Jerry Howe states. –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: I try really hard not to yell.  The times that I have, Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash. Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers, thinking I’m angry at him – a reason I don’t "yuk out" others’ dogs at agility trials or training. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. "Just Want To Second Jerry’s Method For Dealing With This (Destructive Separation Anxiety). I’ve Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It’s Worked ‘EVERY TIME The Very First Time’ – marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience. You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard’s Surrogate Toy Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)? Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar? You’re scary Marilyn. Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual. I feel very sorry for her and her family. "His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry. Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce, Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.           BUT, giving you the benefit of the           doubt, please provide a quote (an           original quote, not from one of Jerry           Howe’s heavily edited diatribes) that           shows a regular poster promoting or           using an abusive form of training.           –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Is that true, Marilyn? Of course not~ but THIS IS: "Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean slap," professora gingold. "Warning:

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HOWEDY Lord Durron,

ever stop to think

The Amazing Puppy Wizard has pawsed to think of EVERY THING, abHOWET dogs and behavior.  your house may be haunted ..

Could be. Lucky thing the OP’s got a dog to protect him from unevolved or wayward Spirits. dogs are way more in tune  with those aspects of life

Perhaps. HOWEver, the unseen world is likeWIZE unseen in the scientific principles of behavior, therefore they don’t agree, disagree, or conflict:        "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior                                      Never Change,            Or They’d Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain                 Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results                            For All Handler’s And All Dogs,                                   NEARLY INSTANTLY,        As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard’s       FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual,"                              The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ )   if he is scared

  ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING                      ALL Critters Only Respond In           PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL                    INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;   To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment                      Which We Create For Them. there may be a reason has he ever acted scared like that any where else?

Perhaps the OP didn’t EXXXPLAIN to his dog they was movin and didn’t show him arHOWEND his new HOWES and introduce him to any phantazams? While he’s doin that he could praise the poltergiests and make them very HAPPY, to boot.                             A DOG Is A Dog;                          As A KAT Is A KAT;                       As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;                      As A CHILD IS A CHILD;              As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.                "It is by muteness that a dog becomes                           so utterly beyond value."                          Like a confessor Priest?                                   "With him,                               –John Galsworthy.                 Don’t bet your dog won’t tell on you…                          Their behaviors reflect           HOWER words, actions and training quirks.           Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )           "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you                        and you will know each other.          If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,                 and what you do not know you will fear.                        What one fears, one destroys."                                 Chief Dan George                      ALL Critters Only Respond In           PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL                    INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;   To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment                      Which We Create For Them.        Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."             We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions                   And GET BACK What We TAUGHT. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message HOWEDY mr greg, Well as the title says, our german shepherd seems to be afraid of our new house. Your dog is AFRAID on accHOWENT of he don’t have CONfidence in YOU. in the day, he is always looking at the ceilings like he almost afraid of shadows, then he tries to hide behind couches etc. You can EXXXTINGUISH his FEAR if you PRAISE him. I try to play with him to make him more comfortable but he just isnt in the mood for it. On accHOWENT of he’s AFRAID. also at night I had to put boxes under my bed because he forces his 95lbs body underneath it and gets stuck under there. He gets STUCK on accHOWENT of he PAINICKS when he tries to get HOWET. once i pull him out, he runs and hides in the bathroom facing the wall wedged under the toilet! He’s havin PAINICK attacks. You can EXXXTINGUISH that by PRAISING IN ADVANCE and briefly variably and alternately DISTRACTING and PRAISING his FEAR responses. I am at a loss at what to do. You AIN’T gonna get no ADVICE from HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punkg Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES who jerk and choke dogs on pronged spiked pinch choke collars and shock and spray aversives in their dog’s faces and bribe and lock them in boxes and ignore their cries for attention and affection. THAT’S the kind of TRAININ that CAUSES phobias like your dog’s GOT. DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST to HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES. Do they. Thanks for your help in advance. Think abHOWET it. Did you just fall HOWETA the cabbage truck? greg- Here’s the lying dog abusing punk thug coward active long term incurable MENTAL CASES you’re ASKIN for advice, mr greg: By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If that’s what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of crap has got to stop, and that’s why I’m here, to help wean you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of dealing with behavior problems. Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation up until this last paragraph. Why did you blow it? –Matt           Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:           When you compare using sound and           praise to solve a problem with using           shock collars, hanging, and punishment           how can you criticize the use of sound?           There’s nothing more to be said, then.           You’ve made up your mind.           But you’ve impressed me by mentioning           that you’re a professor with 30 years of           experience.           So, can you cite some examples of           people recommending "shock collars,           hanging, and punishment"?           —           –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Jerome Bigge writes: I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we want to do. And neither does anyone else, Jerome. No matter what Jerry Howe states. –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: I try really hard not to yell.  The times that I have, Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash. Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers, thinking I’m angry at him – a reason I don’t "yuk out" others’ dogs at agility trials or training. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. "Just Want To Second Jerry’s Method For Dealing With This (Destructive Separation Anxiety). I’ve Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It’s Worked ‘EVERY TIME The Very First Time’ – marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience. You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard’s Surrogate Toy Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)? Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar? You’re scary Marilyn. Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual. I feel very sorry for her and her family. "His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry. Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce, Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.           BUT, giving you the benefit of the           doubt, please provide a quote (an           original quote, not from one of Jerry           Howe’s heavily edited diatribes) that           shows a regular poster promoting or           using an abusive form of training.           –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Is that true, Marilyn? Of course not~ but THIS IS: "Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean slap," professora gingold. "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will  Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe.  This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times  It Happens, But You’ll Get Over It." mike duforth,  author:  "Courteous Canine." "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What  does this mean? When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt directly into the dog’s mouth and walk away. The dog won’t be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue your

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HOWEDY spot,

Have you had his eyes examined by the vet lately.

You think mr greg’s dog been doin a lot of readin lately? Have you had your head examined, spot? Decent people do not post here abHOWETS. REMEMBER?  If you really feel it’s shadows that seem to be triggering this

THAT’S HOWE COME they CALL it LIGHT / SHADOW CHASING OCD, spot, you freakin dog abusing SIMPLETON. maybe he is having vision problems.

Could be GHOSTS, like scotty sez was makin his dog attack trees in the cemetary as soon as he releases him from the leash, not jerking and chokin IT on his pronged spiked pinch choke collar and shockin his dog. Sometimes vision problems come on quickly

That so? Like MENTAL ILLNESS?: Leah        Effexor for chronic depression, in denial                 about being mentally ill. Has taken                 several other mentally ill medications                 before settling on effexor for her chronic                 mental problems. Recenly changed to                 another ANTI PSYCHOTIC prescription. "I don’t think Jerry intentionally lies.  I think he twists things around in his own mind until he actually believes what he’s saying.         Jerry is the only poster here who gives dangerous         advice. Google for spike and squirt.  And let’s not         forget the times he’s told posters whose dogs have         medical problems that his halfwits-end program could         cure them.         PetsMart Pet Trainer  and it might be this just happened to occur at the same time you got the new house.

Well spot, we’ll KNOW as soon as mr greg EXXXTINGUISHES his dog’s OCD problem in WON DAY or NOT. Celeste

If he does ALL the EXXXERCISES as INSTRUCTED in his FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual he’ll CURE this and ALL behavior and temperament and anxiHOWESNESS problems NEARLY INSTANTLY. And for FREE, to boot. OtherWIZE, in a couple day’s he’ll KNOW the dog is SICK and needs to see the vet. But don’t go away spotty, read through and get your own dose of shame guilt and embarrassment; "Birds of a feather. You’re JUDGED by the company you keep. When you lie with pigs you’ll awaken STINKIN like ‘m," The Puppy Wizard’s DADDY: well all i can take from this is that mishandling caused the fear. Sigh.  Apparently you’re replying to our resident loon.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!  Most of us have him killfiled, so we never see his posts.

AnyWON who’s EVER said THAT can’t post here abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE.  But telling every poster that he mishandles and abuses his dog is his modus operandi.

And gettin 100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CON-TROLL for ALL dogs and ALL handler all over the Whole Wild World NEARLY INSTANTLYis the RESULT of NOT ABUSING dogs to train them, MENTAL CASES. If i praise him for hiding under the bed I would think it send the message confirming his fears.

INDEED. It VALIDATES him and makes the dog FEEL SECURE that his owner EMPATHIZES with him. Well, Jerry almost got something right here. :}

leah is a lying dog abusing punk thug coward and active long term incurable MENTAL CASE with NO EXXXPERIENCE trainin dogs EXXXCEPT DEATH of her student’s dog’s associates, thanks to her SOCIALIZATION classes. Actually, if you "aww, poor baby" him,

He’ll FEES SAFE. you’ll be sending a message that confirms his fears –

Yeah. OtherWIZE you’d be LYING to him.  yes, it is a scary thing.

INDEEDY.  Instead, you want to be totally unconcerned and cheerful with him.

leah means IGNORE the problem. Is it possible that there is something real in your new house that could be spooking him? Maybe animals in the attic?  A sound, like the beeping of a dead alarm?  Whatever it is, sounds like it’s coming from the ceiling.

The S-HOWEND is The Amazing Puppy Wizard ringin HOWET the DEATH KNELL for the professional dog trainin and veterinary behaviorISM INDUSTRIES. Whenever you see him start to get tense,

You PRAISE him. Like THIS:  Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what I’ve always done without thinking of it as "training". New stuff, I’ve used. His anchoring technique erased the last of Mac’s fireworks trauma," And THIS: .. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tracy, What worked for me, in just one storm, was to praise the dog after each clap of thunder, telling him he’s a Good Dog! This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.  The next time it thundered, he did not even react at  all–you could not tell it was the same dog as before. There was more thunder just the other day, and same thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no cowering, whimpering, trying to hide at all, it was that simple. I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non- abusive way of handling dogs WORKS. Wonderfully. Praise. It’s that simple. Juanita

And THIS: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Until i read the Jerry method of Bark reductioon, it went something like this with our 11 month old puppy "Yoshi" Yoshi: Bark, bark, us: HUSH Youshi us: Hush Youshi it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking We decided to try the Jerry method :Yoshi:  BARK, BARK US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it? Yoshi Bark, Bark US: It’s ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that I must say, it is so much more fun, when we can praise him, to deal with things like this Thanks Jerry ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry Papers, and learn how to live with our son "Yoshi", whom we love very much. — Best Regards, Estel J. Hines

before he panics, get out his favorite toys or treats

THAT will REINFORCE his FEAR behavior and may teach him to ACT FEARFUL to elicit a treat. and start engaging him in playing or obedience work.

No. If you distract the dog entirely from the IDEA of the behavior you won’t be able to EXXXTINGUISH it. THAT’S HOWE COME "distraction" methods DON’T WORK for you, on accHOWENT of you don’t know HOWE to USE them, on accHOWENT of you know NUTHIN abHOWET trainin or behavior, dog trainer… And get your attic checked out. :}

The Amazing Puppy Wizard is gonna clean your clocks and grease you up an ring your chimes and put you the heel HOWETA this business you miserable lying dog abusing punk thug coward and active long term incurable MENTAL CASE. Canine Action Dog Trainer http://www.canineaction.com It’s A Dog’s Life

        "It was kind of funny, in an absurd way.  The rabbit         was completely still, eyes open and glazed, dried         blood in his ears and mouth, with his back legs         stiffening quickly.         It was her pet rabbit, not a wild bunny, so         that made it much harder for her.         And he was killed by bichons.         Her dogs had torn it apart.  My one student who had         shown up (another weird thing about the night) and I         had to continuously check for heart and bowel sounds         for her, until she could accept that the rabbit was         dead.         (The rigor mortis in his back legs she attributed to         "pain").         Full moon.         Canine Action Dog Trainer         http://www.canineaction.com          Then she mentioned the names of her dogs,          and I immediately remembered them.         YOUR STUDENT, leah. Like that RECENT GRADUATE         STUDENT Rottie who’d been in your SOCIALIZATION         classes since IT was ten weeks old who RECENTLY         MURDERED a little innocent DEAD DOG at the park.         I will always remember the dogs.         Yeah. You and ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN.         You hurt intimidate and murder critters, leah. Really Bad Day HOWEDY leah,

The mom of a graduate student

BWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!! You’re no dog trainer, you’re a FRAUD. interrupted my class,

Class??? You don’t have trainin classes you teach people to throw treats to dogs for mindless unthinking behaviors and tell folks to jerk and choke and shock dogs when bribing and avoiding behaviors doesn’t work an then you try to get HOWET callin THAT, trainin.  in a state of shock,

AnyWON who’d trust you to train them to handle their dog was in a state of shock or takin anti psychotic meds before they started.  to tell me that her rottie had killed a little  dog at a dog park today.

Tough break. R.I.P., dog. HERE’S YOU, leah:         "She bit me on the nose.  That was a true bite.         Not unprovoked, but still a bite. The snarling         and barking was vicious – the bite was a quick         snap, and the cuts weren’t deep."         "Once I was holding her bone for her while she         chewed it (something she loves). She mistakenly         put a tooth in my finger instead of the bone."         (Of curse leah FORGOT to mention she JUST         FINISHED her POSSESSION AGGRESSION         CLASSES for two weeks on her pronged

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ever stop to think your house may be haunted .. dogs are way more in tune with those aspects of life if he is scared there may be a reason has he ever acted scared like that any where else? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HOWEDY mr greg, Well as the title says, our german shepherd seems to be afraid of our new house. Your dog is AFRAID on accHOWENT of he don’t have CONfidence in YOU. in the day, he is always looking at the ceilings like he almost afraid of shadows, then he tries to hide behind couches etc. You can EXXXTINGUISH his FEAR if you PRAISE him. I try to play with him to make him more comfortable but he just isnt in the mood for it. On accHOWENT of he’s AFRAID. also at night I had to put boxes under my bed because he forces his 95lbs body underneath it and gets stuck under there. He gets STUCK on accHOWENT of he PAINICKS when he tries to get HOWET. once i pull him out, he runs and hides in the bathroom facing the wall wedged under the toilet! He’s havin PAINICK attacks. You can EXXXTINGUISH that by PRAISING IN ADVANCE and briefly variably and alternately DISTRACTING and PRAISING his FEAR responses. I am at a loss at what to do. You AIN’T gonna get no ADVICE from HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punkg Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES who jerk and choke dogs on pronged spiked pinch choke collars and shock and spray aversives in their dog’s faces and bribe and lock them in boxes and ignore their cries for attention and affection. THAT’S the kind of TRAININ that CAUSES phobias like your dog’s GOT. DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST to HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES. Do they. Thanks for your help in advance. Think abHOWET it. Did you just fall HOWETA the cabbage truck? greg- Here’s the lying dog abusing punk thug coward active long term incurable MENTAL CASES you’re ASKIN for advice, mr greg: By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If that’s what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of crap has got to stop, and that’s why I’m here, to help wean you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of dealing with behavior problems. Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation up until this last paragraph. Why did you blow it? –Matt           Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:           When you compare using sound and           praise to solve a problem with using           shock collars, hanging, and punishment           how can you criticize the use of sound?           There’s nothing more to be said, then.           You’ve made up your mind.           But you’ve impressed me by mentioning           that you’re a professor with 30 years of           experience.           So, can you cite some examples of           people recommending "shock collars,           hanging, and punishment"?           —           –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Jerome Bigge writes: I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we want to do. And neither does anyone else, Jerome. No matter what Jerry Howe states. –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: I try really hard not to yell.  The times that I have, Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash. Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers, thinking I’m angry at him – a reason I don’t "yuk out" others’ dogs at agility trials or training. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. "Just Want To Second Jerry’s Method For Dealing With This (Destructive Separation Anxiety). I’ve Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It’s Worked ‘EVERY TIME The Very First Time’ – marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience. You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard’s Surrogate Toy Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)? Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar? You’re scary Marilyn. Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual. I feel very sorry for her and her family. "His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry. Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce, Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.           BUT, giving you the benefit of the           doubt, please provide a quote (an           original quote, not from one of Jerry           Howe’s heavily edited diatribes) that           shows a regular poster promoting or           using an abusive form of training.           –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Is that true, Marilyn? Of course not~ but THIS IS: "Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean slap," professora gingold. "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will  Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe.  This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times  It Happens, But You’ll Get Over It." mike duforth,  author:  "Courteous Canine." "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What  does this mean? When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt directly into the dog’s mouth and walk away. The dog won’t be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior." –Mike Dufort author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines" Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure. Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and says: lying frosty dahl says: "To me, training a dog without using intimidation, confrontation, or punishment is, indeed, everything.  I certainly reject "force" as Marilyn defines it.  And "fear" can be included under the category of intimidation. Not a one of these is constructive in the training of a dog; all are bad for the dog/handler relationship, the dog’s confidence, the dog’s ultimate potential, etc. But I do make use of tools and methods which I believe to cause physical discomfort, including electric collars, pinch collars, chain collars, switches, and the ear pinch. I just don’t equate the reaction with the tool/method–I look at the dog to know its reaction.  I think that is what some people don’t do:  they are so full of surmises about what causes what, that they never bother to regard the dog as the authority. I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article (SHE’D REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU DON’T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH SPIKES). I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM). I would never advise anyone to slap a dog (SHE’S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???). I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, it means slap.  amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: "On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained require much more frequent and heavy application of pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done, This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog, Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch. Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" sinofabitch writes: What I have said- repeatedly – is

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HOWEDY mr greg,

Thank you Leah,

Don’t be offended by leah, she’s a lying dog abusing punk thug coward and active long term incurable MENTAL CASE.  We treat such cases CHARITABLY here abHOWETS. The weird thing is it is a brand new house, and I have been in the attic, theres no animals as far as i know, and as for alarms, I dont see any.

The ALARM was the first post The Amazing Puppy Wizard sent you, mr greg. You’re asking a lying dog abusing punk thug coward mentally ill FRAUD for advice she got no idea abHOWET, probably never even heard of the behavior problem your dog’s got. It really seems to be shadows, but at night he really wants to sleep under the bed.

It’s CALLED light / shadow chasing OCD. I cant figure it out,

You AIN’T GOTTA FIGGER NUTHIN HOWET, mr greg. The Amazing Puppy Wizard has done ALL the work for you. HE’S FHOWEND the NEARLY INSTANT CURE for ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS. All you GOTTA do is FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS in your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual and DO NOT POST to these lying dog abusing mentally ill punk thug cowards or The Amazing Puppy Wizard might CONfHOWEND you with the DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES: "You’re JUDGED BY the company you keep," The Puppy Wizard’s DADDY.  so I guess ill have to keep distracting/praising him.

Don’t fail to PRAISE IN ADVANCE and ALWAYS follow the LAST instance with the NEXT alternate brief distractions INSTANTLY followed by 5-15 seconds of "AWW, POOR BABY" and you’ll EXXXTINGUISH his OCD faster than ANY other method in the Whole Wild World, BAR NONE, despite what leah the lying dog abusing punk thug coward and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASE tells you. I hope in time it works out!

If you follow the INSTRUCTIONS in your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual and DO ALL THE EXXXERCISES you’ll EXXXTINGUISH your dog’s light / shadow chasing OCD IN WON DAY. MAYBE LESS. OtherWIZE, it may change to other, seemingly non related behaviors as anxiHOWESNESS relief mechanisms. well all i can take from this is that mishandling caused the fear.

Your dog is having light / shadow chasing OCD. OCD’S are CAUSED BY STRESS. Purdue University FINALLY AGREES with The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FINDINGS on OCD’S. Sigh.

It doesn’t take MUCH STRESS. We could STRESS a kennel full of dogs by withholding food bribes JUST LIKE HOWE leah teaches people to "TRAIN" their dogs, while flashin the lights and after a few sessions the dogs will have OCD behaviors when a light is presented.  Apparently you’re replying to our resident loon.

Leah        Effexor for chronic depression, in denial                 about being mentally ill. Has taken                 several other mentally ill medications                 before settling on effexor for her chronic                 mental problems. Recenly changed to                 another ANTI PSYCHOTIC prescription. "I don’t think Jerry intentionally lies.  I think he twists things around in his own mind until he actually believes what he’s saying.         Jerry is the only poster here who gives dangerous         advice. Google for spike and squirt.  And let’s not         forget the times he’s told posters whose dogs have         medical problems that his halfwits-end program could         cure them.         PetsMart Pet Trainer Most of us have him killfiled, so we never see his posts.

That’s ABSURD. You’re replying to The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Forums, leah. You can’t post here abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE… on accHOWENT of you got NUTHIN to say abHOWET  DOG  BEHAVIOR, leah. You’re tellin the OP to offer BRIBES, and THAT’LL INCREASE anxiHOWESNESS. But telling every poster that he mishandles and abuses his dog is his modus operandi.

OCD’S are ONLY caused by STRESS. Like THIS…; HERE’S YOU, leah:         "She bit me on the nose.  That was a true bite.         Not unprovoked, but still a bite. The snarling         and barking was vicious – the bite was a quick         snap, and the cuts weren’t deep."         "Once I was holding her bone for her while she         chewed it (something she loves). She mistakenly         put a tooth in my finger instead of the bone."         (Of curse leah FORGOT to mention she JUST         FINISHED her POSSESSION AGGRESSION         CLASSES for two weeks on her pronged spiked         pinch choke collar).         "The other time was something I reported here         because I thought it was funny.  I was sitting on         the floor with my supposedly agile, coordinated         BC dancing around me, mouth hanging open         with tongue flopping goofily.  She tripped over         my legs and fell tooth-first into my forehead."         "Oh, okay.  One more, I guess.  When I had only         had her a few days, and she hadn’t yet learned         not to nip during play, she jumped up and grabbed         my t-shirt, pinching some skin.  It hurt but, again,         there was no blood."                 By the way, you’re talking to our resident loon         that we all have killfiled.  If you want to have a         conversation with him here, you need to put         [eggplant] or [jerry] in the subject line so that         you don’t get killfiled along with him.                 He’s been posting the same abusive nonsense         for years, and we really don’t need to be reminded         of his existence. :}                 | ALL behavior problems are CAUSED BY         | MISHANDLING.                 This is not true.  Neither is anything else he posts.         Well leah, mr greg will be very pleased to tell         you that you’re a lying dog abusing punk thug         coward and active long term incurable MENTAL         CASE if he CHECKS your own POSTED CASE         history on The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s Archives         on Google.         REMEMBER leah?         Probably 90% of the regulars on this ng have him         killfiled.         You mean the liars dog abusers cowards and         active long term incurable mental cases, like         yourself, leah?         You HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER critters.         You’re a FRAUD, leah. You’re a lying dog abusing         mentally ill FRAUD and it’s ALL in The Amazing         Puppy Wizard’s Archives on Goole in YOUR OWN         POSTED CASE HISTORY.          If you’ve read one of his hundreds of posts a day,         Could be readin just WON of The Amazing Puppy         Wizard’s Posts will ENLIGHTEN the reader as well         as teach them MOORE abHOWET dogs and behavior         than you’re able to comprehend, leah.         PERHAPS THAT’S HOWE COME YOU LIE         abHOWET dog training, The Amazing Puppy         Wizard, and DENY YOUR OWN POSTED         CASE HISTORY, leah???         you’ve read them all.         BET YOUR LIFE ON IT, you lying dog abusin mental case.         The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s Archives on Google         CON-TRAIN the most comprehensive insights into         the human / animal mind, behavior, and Spirit.           Because of this,         You’ve unfortunately been IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED         and DISCREDITED as a lying dog abusing punk thug         coward active long term incurable MENTAL CASE and         FRAUD.          those who persist in discussion with him here         The Amazing Puppy Wizard seldom has NEED         for DIS-CUSSION. The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s         TEACHINGS NEED NO FURTHER EXXXPLANATION.          also end up killfiled.         The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY         NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW         Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students all         over the Whole Wild World have NO BEHAVIOR         PROBLEMS to DISS-CUSS, leah.          It’s not out of spite,         Right. It’s FEAR. ABJECT TERROR.         The Amazing Puppy Wizard is the professional         behaviorist’s and dog trainer’s WORST NIGHTMARE.          it’s not personal,         RIGHT. It’s STRICTLY PROFESSIONAL. Nuthin         PERSONAL abHOWET it whatsoever. DEFEND         your methds and philosophies and BACK IT UP         with REAL LIFE CASE HISTORIES or get the         heel HOWETA this business.         it’s simply that we’re trying to block out the         "noise"         You’re CONSPIRING to REPRESS INFORMATION         that will IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT YOU         as a lying dog abusing punk thug coward active long         term incurable MENTAL CASE.         REMEMBER leah?         so that time here can be more productive and less         wasteful.         "It was kind of funny, in an absurd way.  The rabbit         was completely still, eyes open and glazed, dried         blood in his ears and mouth, with his back legs         stiffening quickly.         It was her pet rabbit, not a wild bunny, so         that made it much harder for her.         And he was killed by bichons.         Her dogs had torn it apart.  My one student who had         shown up (another weird thing about the night) and I         had to continuously check for heart and bowel sounds         for her, until she could accept that the rabbit was         dead.         (The rigor mortis in his back legs she attributed to         "pain").         Full moon.         Canine Action Dog Trainer         http://www.canineaction.com          Then she mentioned the names of her dogs,          and I immediately remembered them.         YOUR STUDENT. 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HOWEDY leah,

well all i can take from this is that mishandling caused the fear. Sigh.

Havin another BHOWET of depression, leah?  Apparently you’re replying to our resident loon.

You mean, The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~  )   Leah        Effexor for chronic depression, in denial                 about being mentally ill. Has taken                 several other mentally ill medications                 before settling on effexor for her chronic                 mental problems. Recenly changed to                 another ANTI PSYCHOTIC prescription.  Most of us have him killfiled,

That so?  Seems The Amazing Puppy Wizard is the chief topic of CONversation amongst HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES. so we never see his posts.

"I don’t think Jerry intentionally lies.  I think he twists things around in his own mind until he actually believes what he’s saying," leah.  But telling every poster that he mishandles and abuses his dog  is his modus operandi.

Yeah. And THAT’S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Student’s all over the Whole Wild World GET 100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CON-TROLL and CURE ALL temperament and behavior problems NEARLY INSTANTLY. You call them LIARS and their posts, FORGERIES by The Amazing Puppy Wizard on accHOWENT of HE has PROVEN you and your Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES to be a Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES If i praise him for hiding under the bed I would think it send the message confirming his fears.

That’s correct. Well, Jerry almost got something right here. :}

That so?:

well Im going to read the puppy wizard manual, even after just telling him "good boy" every time he looked at me , he seemed to get better. Thank you all for your help! mr greg- Actually, if you "aww, poor baby" him,

Dogs are NON VERBAL, leah.  you’ll be sending a message that confirms his fears –

RIGHT. yes, it is a scary thing.

THAT’S TRUE.  Instead, you want to be totally unconcerned and cheerful with him.

You mean LIE to your dog, leah? THAT would be tantamHOWENT to callin Mother Nature, a LIAR and will teach your dog to MISTRUST YOUR JUDGEMENT. WOULDN’T IT, leah. Is it possible that there is something real in your new house that could be spooking him?

Yeah. Like the ceilings. And lights. And shadows. Maybe animals in the attic?

Maybe. HOWE you gonna TEACH the dog NOT to BE AFRAID of the strange new neighborhood, leah? A sound, like the beeping of a dead alarm?

Seems he’d HEAR that ALARM S-HOWEND. WOULDN’T HE, leah. Whatever it is, sounds like it’s coming from the ceiling.

No leah. The OP SEZ the dog SPOOKS at lights and shadows. THAT MEANS the dog has an OCD. Purdue University SEZ "ALL OCD’S are CAUSED BY STRESS." Whenever you see him start to get tense, before he panics, get out his favorite toys or treats and

PHYSICALLY REWARD his FEARS. THAT’S HOWE COME the dog won’t get over his fears, leah. You CANNOT BRIBE a dog to TRUST YOU.  start engaging him in playing or obedience work.

You’re a lying dog abusing mental case. And get your attic checked out. :}

Get YOUR "attic" checked HOWET. Canine Action Dog Trainer http://www.canineaction.com

Really Bad Day HOWEDY leah,

The mom of a graduate student

BWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!! You’re no dog trainer, you’re a FRAUD. interrupted my class,

Class??? You don’t have trainin classes you teach people to throw treats to dogs for mindless unthinking behaviors and tell folks to jerk and choke and shock dogs when bribing and avoiding behaviors doesn’t work an then you try to get HOWET callin THAT, trainin.  in a state of shock,

AnyWON who’d trust you to train them to handle their dog was in a state of shock or takin anti psychotic meds before they started.  to tell me that her rottie had killed a little  dog at a dog park today.

Tough break. R.I.P., dog. "I don’t think Jerry intentionally lies.  I think he twists things around in his own mind until he actually believes what he’s saying." Here’s you ARBITRARILY MURDERIN your own DEAD DOG Buck on accHOWENT of you was TOO LAZY or TOO MENTALLY ILL to WALK HIM:                        Won Last Gift HOWEDY People, The Amazing Puppy Wizard wouldn’t ever CONsider MURDERING a dog if he had just WON MOORE "HOWEDY!" left in him. http://www.canineaction.com My Kids, My Students, My Life:

You MURDERED your own DEAD DOG Buck cause you was TOO LAZY to walk him and TOO STUPID to restrict salt from his congestive heart failure diet supplemented with lasix, FRENCH FRIES and PIZZA. And THEN you CHANGED YOUR MIND just after the veterinarian MURDERED HIM for you for your CONvenience. After Ken shaved Tosca’s leg to prep him for the injection I told him to stop because I couldn’t go through with it.

I had that impulse the moment that Buck’s eyes closed and he went limp.  I wanted to scream, "No!  I made a mistake!" I’m just glad I didn’t break down until that moment. I was able to smile at him and say happy things while he was watching me.  So at least the last thing he saw and heard was the most important thing in his life – me, telling him I loved him. "Euthanasia is that one last great gift you can give your beloved pet. It’s when you take *their* pain from them and make it your own."

This is a very comforting statement.  And so true.  Can I plagarize you? :} I’ve also been hanging in the alt.support.pet-loss newsgroup since I lost my eskie, and there are a lot of people there who would benefit from hearing this. :} Thank you, everybody, for your kind words. They really do help. I really didn’t think this would be so hard. I thought I was ready.  I thought I’d feel relieved that Buck was "safe" from further suffering. All I can see is his eyes as he looked into mine, trusting me, as the vet gave him the needle. I don’t know if I’d ever have the courage to do this again.  I hope I never have to. Leah.

Didja also see that he has ‘morphed’ into Valerie M. Holmes ????? Note: I am not saying there isn’t a VALID Valerie M. Holmes, but this one lives in howdy’s home. MB <G

HEY!!! There is a Valid Valerie with a REAL Dalmatian who is a real sweet dog with a few issues that I am working to resolve after adopting her from a shelter she spent 2 years in. All I want is to get some decent help for my dog. There is some decent stuff in Jerry’s manual. My dog has ACTUALLY been responding to her training.  The deal is you have to seperate your opinions and impressions from the guy who is writing these posts and take from the manual what you want. Personally, I get a pretty good chuckle out of the whole Jerry thing.  I have to say the guy is pretty clever, you’re letting him get under your skin. It makes for a very amusing game I think. I’m sure he would agree, or he wouldn’t be playing everyday.  He also wouldn’t be playing if he didn’t believe that his method of training weren’t valid. Perhaps I’ll learn from my mistakes, but so far, using the Wits’ End, I have gotten my dalmatian to listen to me, to look to me for direction, to wait for me to say when. I have changed her from an aggressive dog to one who is willing to please her owner, willing to listen, willing to assume her role in the pack. The real Valerie M. Holmes speaking P.s. Jerry, don’t get any ideas about morphing        into me, ok? MaryBeth, QUEEN OF THE RPD* MENTALLY ILL ALLSTARS MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD* Mental illness is a public issue in these newsgroups. People are always running around calling other people mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think it’s only fair that we have an accurate list of who is and who isn’t mentally ill, so that we can avoid any misunderstandings and promote group harmony. MaryBeth MVP (most valuable psycho) Has contributed greatly to the annual profit results at several large pharmaceutical corps has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy) drug treatment in the book, and then some: prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax, effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers, clomid, has suffered from or been:                      suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of                      PMS, mood swings, turned into a hermit,                      bloated, just real angry, hubby afraid of                      her, high blood pressure, divorced,                      "raving bitch" "zoloft zombie" for four                      years, "living through layers and layers                      of gauze," chain smoker, buzzing, weight                      gain, fatigue, terrible dry mouth, dull                      headaches, fuzzy brain, lack of

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HOWEDY mr greg,

well Im going to read the puppy wizard manual, even after just telling him "good boy" every time he looked at me , he seemed to get better.

Of curse. Thank you all for your help!

From ALL of us, The Amazing Puppy Wizard sez "you’re welcome". mr greg-

You AIN’T gonna get no ADVICE from HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES who jerk and choke dogs on pronged spiked pinch choke collars and shock and spray aversives in their dog’s faces and bribe and lock them in boxes and ignore their cries for attention and affection. THAT’S the kind of TRAININ that CAUSES phobias like your dog’s GOT. DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST to HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES. Do they. Thanks for your help in advance.

Think abHOWET it. Did you just fall HOWETA the cabbage truck? greg-

Here’s the lying dog abusing punk thug coward active long term incurable MENTAL CASES you’re ASKIN for advice, mr greg: By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If that’s what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of crap has got to stop, and that’s why I’m here, to help wean you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of dealing with behavior problems.

Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation up until this last paragraph. Why did you blow it? –Matt

          Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:           When you compare using sound and           praise to solve a problem with using           shock collars, hanging, and punishment           how can you criticize the use of sound?           There’s nothing more to be said, then.           You’ve made up your mind.           But you’ve impressed me by mentioning           that you’re a professor with 30 years of           experience.           So, can you cite some examples of           people recommending "shock collars,           hanging, and punishment"?           —           –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Jerome Bigge writes: I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we want to do. And neither does anyone else, Jerome. No matter what Jerry Howe states. –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: I try really hard not to yell.  The times that I have, Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash.

Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers, thinking I’m angry at him – a reason I don’t "yuk out" others’ dogs at agility trials or training. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. "Just Want To Second Jerry’s Method For Dealing With This (Destructive Separation Anxiety). I’ve Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It’s Worked ‘EVERY TIME The Very First Time’ – marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience. You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard’s Surrogate Toy Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)? Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar? You’re scary Marilyn. Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual. I feel very sorry for her and her family.

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry. Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce, Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.           BUT, giving you the benefit of the           doubt, please provide a quote (an           original quote, not from one of Jerry           Howe’s heavily edited diatribes) that           shows a regular poster promoting or           using an abusive form of training.           –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Is that true, Marilyn? Of course not~ but THIS IS: "Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean slap,"  professora gingold.  "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will   Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe.   This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times   It Happens, But You’ll Get Over It." mike duforth,   author:  "Courteous Canine." "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What  does this mean? When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt directly into the dog’s mouth and walk away. The dog won’t be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior." –Mike Dufort author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines" Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure.

Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and says: lying frosty dahl says: "To me, training a dog without using intimidation, confrontation, or punishment is, indeed, everything.  I certainly reject "force" as Marilyn defines it.  And "fear" can be included under the category of intimidation. Not a one of these is constructive in the training of a dog; all are bad for the dog/handler relationship, the dog’s confidence, the dog’s ultimate potential, etc. But I do make use of tools and methods which I believe to cause physical discomfort, including electric collars, pinch collars, chain collars, switches, and the ear pinch. I just don’t equate the reaction with the tool/method–I look at the dog to know its reaction.  I think that is what some people don’t do:  they are so full of surmises about what causes what, that they never bother to regard the dog as the authority. I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article (SHE’D REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU DON’T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH SPIKES). I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM). I would never advise anyone to slap a dog (SHE’S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???). I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, it means slap.  amy lyingfrosty dahl continues:  "On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained  require much more frequent and heavy application of  pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,  This is continued resistance to your increasing authority,  and the job is not done until it is overcome Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog, Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch. Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" sinofabitch writes: What I have said- repeatedly – is that he took posts from two different people, took pieces of them out of context, cobbled them together, then added his own words:

"Neatly," and "Smartly." and a fake signature.

"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which is exactly what he did. The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context, and Jerry’s faked "quote" is downright meaningless. Here’s Jerry’s version   "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My    Right Arm  Over The Lab’s Shoulder,    Grabbed Her Opposite  Foot With My    Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,    Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into    Her Throat  And Said "GRRRR!" And    Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch. Here’s yours;   "I dropped the leash, threw my   right arm over the Lab’s shoulder,   grabbed her opposite foot with my   left hand, rolled her on her side,   leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and   nipped her ear.   –Sara Sionnach

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!! That’s INSANE. Ain’t it. "When you get bagged for lying you’re MARKED FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard’s DADDY. BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! Has anyone had experience with this product (Fido-Shock). If so, what model number, voltage, etc.?

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And so it is up to all of you. To arm yourselves. With writing implements. COMPLAIN LIKE HELL! Write to all your Congressional representatives. Send them a copy of any/all of this manifesto with a cover letter stating the specific questions you demand be answered. Write to your local papers, radio stations, state supreme courts (make them aware of fingerprinting drivers is a violation of the 1974 Privacy Act). Write to all your state representatives. Take copies of this manifesto and go to your neighbors and ask they consider doing the same. Contact all your friends. :   The New York Times, 2/10/87 :   "Is This America?", by Anthony Lewis :   :   "When we speak out", she said, "that’s our protection." :   :   She still believes in America. Network. "Creep" back at the bastards who are destroying America! Be persistent. It is almost too late.     It must always be remembered that crime statistics are highly     inflammatory—an explosive fuel that powers the nation’s debate     over a large number of important social issues—and that FBI     Director Louis Freeh today is the leading official shoveling     the fuel into the blazing firebox.     —David Burnham Indeed, the Scary Man has been whispering Nightmare Stories in the ear of President Clinton to control him… *   "Threat to Disneyland, Mentioned by Clinton, Is Termed a Hoax." *   By Stephen Labaton, The New York Times, April 23, 1995 *   *   Responding to a question about whether Washington should review its *   readiness to combat domestic terrorism [the first arrest in the OKC *   bombing had just been made], the President sought to reassure the *   public that the Government was already making great efforts to do so. *   *   Groping for a specific illustration,

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with technology in order to wiretap. The phone companies are already able and authorized to listen in on any line at any time, to check the integrity of the network. I’ve heard some funny stories by old Bell System employees about a bunch of people listening into private conversations, and having a hoot. Question:  How can the FBI use computers to monitor thousands and thousands            and thousands and thousands of phone calls simultaneously, as they            said they would do with the bill, when we Americans speak so many            different accents and languages? Answer:    Thirty years of fine tuning by the NSA, y’all. The Digital Telephony Act will allow them to legally – at full wiretapping capacity – dragnet-monitor the telephone network. Each line monitored will not require a warrant. And how did they get this CALEA legislation? *   "Government Access", by Jim Warren *   *   At the administration’s pleading, the [Democrat-controlled] Congress *   rammed it through in less than two months, with no substantive hearings. *   *   Literally in the dark of night, without debate, it passed in the house *   by voice vote and two nights later by unanimous consent in the Senate, *   only minutes before adjourning to rush home for their important work: *   campaigning for re-election. The NSA domestic watch-list is probably already stuffed full enough to use the comp

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in (what I should *   call, in the original World War II sense) operational research. That is *   exactly what it was: research by highly qualified interdisciplinary teams, *   into operations, namely production companies, with the prospect of *   discovering models and sets of measures. *   *   We needed a group who understood the operational research techniques of *   data capture that were needed for project Cybersyn. As a Briton I knew *   whom I wanted — they were a group of consultants within the London *   branch of the international firm of Arthur Anderson and Co. *   *   Project Cybercyn objective: To install a preliminary system of information *   and regulation for the industrial economy that will demonstrate the main *   features of cybernetic management and begin to help in the task of actual *   decision-making by March 1st 1972. Under the circumstances of a nationalized economy, it was a positive thing. It was a massive application of cybernetic feedback to help each industry and each factory keep track of itself through a central location. All communications flowed through the central location. This is what Stafford Beer refers to as ‘Brain of the Firm’. It was located in Santiago, Chile. For NSA, it is Fort Meade in Maryland, USA. *   "Brain of the Firm", Stafford Beer, 1986, ISBN 0 471 27687 1 * *   Project Cybercyn consisted of four major tools: *   *       Cybernet, a national network of industrial communications to a centre *      

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the FBI allowed a reporter who was working on what the :   bureau expected would be a friendly article to visit the inner sanctum. :   :   The command center, she later wrote, "looks not unlike the Starship :   Enterprise, of ‘Star Trek.’ On the rear wall of the room are three giant :   screens on which neighborhood maps, live field surveillance, and graphs :   charting the progress of a manhunt can be projected. :   :   Law enforcement officials, at stations in three semicircular tiers of :   desks, can watch—and direct—as criminals are caught in the act. :   :   Their computer mouse screen pointers are a gun icon. OH MY GAWD!!!! WHAT’S NEXT, THE WHOLE DAMN COUNTRY??? What is this? *   Newsgroups:   soc.veterans * *              Night vision lasers go to court *     *   KIRTLAND AIR FORCE BASE, N.M. (AFNS) — More drug and *   smuggling convictions may soon result from a laser optics research *   agreement signed here Sept. 25 between the Air Force Phillips *   Laboratory and FLIR Systems, Inc. *     *   "Current sensors cannot read a license plate, ship registration, or *   aircraft tail number," said 1st Lieutenant Robert J. Ireland of *   Phillips’s Laser

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*   *   When the State Department’s annual survey said Mexico’s annual marijuana *   production in 1989 was 30,200 tons, it was PFA. *   *   Assuming half the production makes it into the U.S., half the population *   between 15 and 40 in this country would have had to smoke a joint a day. *   *   By 1996 the State Department’s annual survey stabilized at a more realistic *   3,400 tons a year. *   *   However, the State Department’s annual survey for 1996 stated Columbia’s *   cultivation of coca, the raw ingredient for cocaine, jumped 32% over 1995. *   *   This was deliberate manipulation of the statistics: unlike previous years, *   the State Department suddenly stopped figuring in the 55,715 acres that *   the Columbian police fumigated with herbicide. *   *   The number had actually gone down, but President Clinton cited the upswing *   to support his Feb. 28 decision to decertify Columbia as helping in the *   War on Drugs. Mexico was certified. A majority of citizens in several states have now told the government they are full of hooey. The Drug War is primarily about governmental politics and governmental power. Not about drugs. Can’t afford to look soft on crime, or your opposition will stomp you. The government uses these "wars" to claim ever greater power over us. To justify violent no-knock searches by agents not even carrying warrants. To justify killing the ‘exclusion rule’ to protect police

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#   The War on Drugs made the criminal justice system one of the top growth #   industries during the eighties and nineties. #   #   Police jobs at all levels of government swelled by 36 percent and prison #   jobs by 86 percent during the Reagan years alone, while overall government #   employment rose by only 16 percent. Federal prosecutors doubled under Bush. #   For those in the enforcement trades, the War on Drugs was boom time. #   #   For everybody else, the period was marked by a commensurate increase in #   police intrusion. There are rarely victims or witnesses in drug crimes. #   #   Drug use usually takes place in private, and drug dealing occurs between #   a willing seller and a willing buyer. #   #   So to wage the Drugs War an expanding army of police had to use ever more #   wiretaps, dog sniffs, snitches, warrantless searches, surveillance, and #   undercover operations. #   #   The administration elected on a promise to remove government from people’s #   lives had turned the country—in one law professor’s phrase—into a #   "society of suspects."                          War #2  -  Guns                          — —     —- #   www.gunowners.org # #   The Police even pointed a machine gun at the #   head of Mrs. Kuriatnk’s six-year-old daughter. Actually, I think the government says ‘because organized crime would use cryptography’; but criminals with guns is the generalization. If you were a criminal, would you select cryptography that is ‘Key Recovery’ ("GAK" Government Access to Keys) compliant? I don’t think so.     "But we’ll catch stupid criminals using GAK crypto!"     —Scott Charney, Computer Crime Unit, Department of Justice,

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Australian ECHELON Spotted *   http://www.texemarrs.com, Living Truth Ministries 800/234-9673 Texe Marrs and his organization are big on the "Anti-Christ" aspects of all the technology the UKUSA governments have deployed to monitor people. I am just glad he knows the Beast when he sees it, that it is Evil (without the people involved necessarily being evil in intent: agreed!) and that unless we do something soon, it will be too late: Earth will become Hell. His book-jacket bio: Texe Marrs was a career U.S. Air Force officer (retired). He commanded communications-electronics and engineering units around the globe. *   "Project L.U.C.I.D.", by Texe Marrs, 1996, ISBN 1-884302-02-5 *   *   Appendix 2: World Surveillance Headquarters *   *   The report that follows, originally entitled "National Surveillance", was *   written by Australia’s Peter Sawer and published in Inside News (P.O. Box *   311, Maleny, Queensland 4552, Australia). It first came to my attention *   when it was printed in the U.S. by LtCol Archibald E. Robert’s Bulletin, *   the newsletter of the highly respected Committee to Restore the Constitu- *   tion (P.O. Box 986, Fort Collins, Colorado 80522). *   *   The article caused a flurry of activity and a round of vigorous denials, *   admissions, coverups, and more denials by Australian political leaders. *   *   The

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To Eye: Contact!", Information Week magazine, June 3 1996 #   #   Computer passwords may be a thing of the past using a scanner that maps #   over 400 identifying features of your iris. The system will be tested at #   ATMs in Columbus, Ohio later this year. The company has been inundated #   with calls from other industries interested in using the technology. And what about head shots of people…any ‘machine vision’ deals there? *  "New System Lets Computer Identify Pictures and Images" *  The New York Times, By John Holusha, [I failed to date the article clipping] *   *  New technology that may help solve one of the thorniest problems in computer *  science—teaching machines to recognize pictures— was announced yesterday *  by officials of the David Sarnoff Research Center in Princeton, NJ. "We are *  going to make a business out of this", said IS VP Curtis R. Carlson. "It *  does things on a personal computer that used to require a supercomputer." #  "FBI Setting Standards for Computer Picture File of Criminals", NYT, 11/5/95 #   #  A meeting called "Mug Shot and Facial Image Standards Conference" was held #  to set facial image standards. The standards will take into account #  emerging technologies like software that determines if two facial images #  belong to the same person, even from composite sketches. Yep. Even using photographs. More on this later. —- And what does a National ID Ca

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applied to transportation systems in a *   variety of ways, primarily on public highways. Applications extend from *   wireless provision of traffic information to drivers to automatic *   toll-collection to law enforcement to totally automated vehicles. *     *   ITS may entail the collection of large amounts of information on the *   travels of particular people, for example through the automatic *   collection of tolls through road-side radio beacons that interact *   with transponders attached to individual cars. *   *   This information obviously invites a wide range of secondary uses, from *   law enforcement to targeted marketing to political repression. The rules *   governing the collection, dissemination, and protection of this *   information have not yet been settled, although the decision-making *   process is already fairly far along. *     *   If ITS lives up to the expectations of its developers then it will have *   implications for virtually everybody. Yet public awareness of ITS is very *   low, and awareness of the privacy issues in ITS is low even in the *   community of privacy advocates. Could things possibly be on a worse track than they are now? What is the government saying this is for? In case the State of New York wants to drive to the State of California, and be able to warn them that there is a traffic jam in the State of Georgia? —- Time to get back to the Universal Biometrics / National ID Card. Texe Marrs was a career Air Force officer who commanded a number of the NSA’s communications centers around the world. The General in charge of the NSA is Air Force. As with Canadian spy Mike Frost, Texe has second thoughts about it all. He found out about a pro

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against immigrants. Imagine directing hospitals to turn illegal immigrant children into the police! War against homosexuals. When the government says it can’t handle gays in the Military, it gives the SAME arguments as it did when it said blacks should be kept out of the Armed Forces. How about requiring all new enlistees to agree they can handle being near homosexuals before joining…eventually removing all the people upper Military management claims cannot handle them: within five years drop the persecution of homosexuals. It’s that "simple".           Part 4: Why unlimited cryptography must be legislated NOW                   o Key Recovery Means No Cryptography                   o Key Recovery Isn’t Even Feasible                   o Government Steamroller                   o Feds’ Wacky Pro-GAK Logic                     – Business Will Demand It                     – To Safeguard Your Privacy *   C-SPAN [U.S. Congressional television coverage], Friday June 20, 1997 *   Marc Andreessen, Netscape Co-founder * *   "The McCain-Kerrey bill is completely flawed. Unlimited strength crypto *   has been available for years worldwide over the Internet and from some *   companies. Terrorists and other criminals already have it. * *   The genie is

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judges who will throw them in jail." Thank Gawd he didn’t become President. *   July Fourth, 1997, C-SPAN Congressional Television * *   Mark Klaas, father of 12-year-old Polly Klaas, who was murdered by a *   repeat-offender that was paroled from prison, said in support of prevention *   programs: "Building more prisons to fight crime is like building more *   cemeteries to fight the spread of AIDS. It’s a bad quick fix. Police *   chiefs across the country support [me] this 4 to 1. Unfortunately, Congress *   can’t act "soft" on crime, and is about to pass a very bad bill on *   juvenile crime." More bizarre distortions in our social fabric due to Zero Tolerance: 6/10/97 MSNBC: California: a ten-year-old girl who reported a classmate for having a joint was also suspended by the principal, under the school’s Zero Tolerance for drugs policy. Her offense: handling the joint to see if the other student was kidding her before reporting the other student. The principal said "too bad, that’s what ‘Zero Tolerance’ means". The little girl and her mother are shocked. [I am not making these up!!!!!] 6/18/97 NBC News Channel 4 NYC: A career teacher is forced to resign because she thought her student was kidding about having a baggie of pot. Students and parents are stunned. The teacher said she believed her students had better sense than that, and since she inspected it and it smelled like oregano she was sure they were kidding her. Students and their parents protest, the school board asks her back, but she says no, she is too disgusted at her treatment. Zero Tolerance victims, falling into the abyss.

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!   technical ability to decipher the messages. !   !   Walter G. Deeley, NSA deputy director for communications security !   said, "It is technically possible for the Government to read such !   messages, but it would be insane for it to do so. It would be an !   extraordinarily expensive undertaking and would require a massive !   increase in computer power." Probably since noone believed that, they admitted it, and said why they needed to decrypt in real-time: #                  Encryption and Law Enforcement #     #                        Dorothy E. Denning #                       Georgetown University #     #                         February 21, 1994 #   #   To implement lawful interceptions of encrypted communications, they #   need a real-time or near real-time decryption capability in order #   to keep up with the traffic and prevent potential acts of violence. #   Since there can be hundreds of calls a day on a tapped line, any #   solution that imposes a high overhead per call is impractical. And if uncrackable crypto were in widespread use within the U.S., the FBI would demand that it be outlawed. For ‘public safety and national security’. : *   "Above the Law" : *   ISBN 0-684-80699-1, 1996 : *   by David Burnham : *   : *   The suspicion that the government might one day try to outlaw any : *   en

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HOWEDY mr greg,

well all i can take from this is that mishandling caused the fear. I dont (intentionally) mishandle my dog,

The Amazing Puppy Wiard never said you did. he has a great temperment,

Good. and had 0 problems until I moved into the new house.

Your dog is INSECURE. Outside he is fine, its just inside where this happens. If i praise him for hiding under the bed I would think it send the message confirming his fears.

RIGHT. THAT’S GOOD. Then the dog will BELIEVE you when you tell him it’s O.K. to not worry abHOWET it. OtherWIZE, you’d be comin off as a liar, in your dog’s mind. I can see him visably looking up at the cieling like something is there that is causing this all to happen.

Could be lights shadows ceiling fans mice bugs any thing at all. It’s irrelevent. Just praise him and learn HOWE to pupperly follow the distraction and praise and other non physical conditioning techniques in your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual and you’ll EXXXINGUISH his fears NEARLY INSTANTLY.  it gets better at night when there are no shadows casued by the sun.

There ya go. Your dog has light / shadow chasing obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD). It’s CAUSED BY STRESS, perhaps even from bribing or clicker training. You can’t protect him from every shadow / light.  Still even at night he tried to  crawl under the bed.

The fear doesn’t go away when the lights go off. When i boxed the underneath of the bed off, he went back to sleeping normally next to it.

Good. We don’t want him hiding from the boogeyman. He seemed to be getting better, but then last night he forced his way under, and now seems to be back to how he was once we moved in.

It’s gonna be difficult to keep him HOWET from under where the boogey man will torment him as he hides. I dont ever hit my animals,

The Amazing Puppy Wizard never suggested you did.  and I dont yell at him for doing this.

We cannot yell or even say "NO!" to HOWER dogs; they’re VERY SENSITIVE CRITTERS, you know.  I just want to know what the right approach is,

The Amazing Puppy Wizard will copy HIS FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual below. ASK if you need any additional FREE heelp. if thats praise even when hes hiding then let me know.

Yes. But it’s a little MOORE complicated than JUST that.  Its just that reading your replies didnt make much sense,

Oh. That was doctor’s talkin abHOWET behavior and trainin. and were barely legible.

Yeah. Their handwriting SUCKS. I do appreciate the response.

LikeWIZE. mr greg-

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First Things First: Proper Lead Handling 12 2B. What is a Conditioned Reflex? 14 2C. How to Install a Conditioned Reflex and Teach Any Command in Minutes 15 3. The "Hot" and "Cold" Exercise 19 4. The "Family Pack Leadership" exercise 20 5. Practicing the "Recall" or "Come" Command 22 6. Teach Any Command Through Conditioned Reflex 23 7. Use Sound to Break Bad Behavior! 24 (Also see conclusion) 7A. Other Examples of Sound to Correct Bad Behavior 26 7B. Unacceptable Expressions of Dominance 27 7C. More Subtle Examples of Unacceptable Dominance 28 7D. How to Correct Mouthing 29 7E. No Dogs on Beds! And Other Problems 33 7F. Housebreaking Technique 8. Roll-Over on the Alpha Rollover 34 The Alpha Rollover 34 9. Separation Anxiety Surrogate Toy Technique 36 9A.The Soggy Potato Chip Theory 37 10. THE WITS’ END DOG TRAINING METHOD GLOSSARY 38 10A. State Conditioned Learning 10B.Training Behaviors Using Territorial Instinct 10C. Anchoring And Triggering States Of Mind 10D. Escape, Fence Jumping, Border/Perimeter Training PART II 1. OBEDIENCE 46 2. ASK YOUR DOG TO WORK 47 2A. Back to Work 48 2B. Stay 49 2C. Sit From the Side 49 2D. Heel vs. Return to Heel 50 2E. Sit From the Front 51 3. THE HEELING PATTERN EXERCISE 52 3A. Down From the Side 56 3B. Leave Your Dog on a Stay Command 57 3C. Returning to the Heel Position 58 3D. Down From the Front 59 4. PRACTICING LONG STAY COMMANDS 60 5. STAND 62 Introduction The Wits’ End Dog Training Method is the fastest, gentlest, most effective, comprehensive behavior modification/obedience and protection training technique available anywhere… And now, it’s FREE!!! It’s copyright 2002 information, so be advised: use it wisely, and use it often; use, copy, and distribute it in it its entirety or none at all. Our no force, no nonsense, no negative re-enforcement approach is unique, systematic, and unconventional, which means no dog is too young, too old, too large, too small, too stubborn, too stupid or too bad, to train. Specializing in problem dog behavior compelled us to research new methods to instruct humans as well as canines. All dog behavior problems are caused by our ineffective and inappropriate efforts to control their predictable, innate, normal, natural, instinctive, reflexive responses to circumstances of their environment we create for them. Not everyone needs formal obedience training, but you do need a dog you can live with, starting today, not after lengthy training, not after your dog matures, not when it’s too late! This requires a basic understanding of how your dog thinks and learns. That, and the "Family Pack Leadership" exercise, coupled with teaching the "recall" or "come" command, are all that one needs to effectively control the companion dog. The mistakes your dog makes are neither mistakes nor accidents. They are instinctive challenges to your leadership and authority. Wits’ End Dog Training anticipates these impending mistakes inherent to each phase of training, and relies on them to turn the tables psychologically on your pet to convince him you are his appropriate leader, and make him want to do anything you ask. Wits’ End Dog Training is easy, quick, and foolproof, and works with every time, with every canine, even wolves! The ability to think, rationalize, and solve problems are learned qualities. Our enlightened methods … read more »

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HOWEDY mr greg,

Well as the title says, our german shepherd seems to be afraid of our new house.

ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM How does diagnosis shape treatment? Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe, who publicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard.  Jerry is a master at behavioral modification of dogs. His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov’s last student, the late Sam Corson, Ph.D., did at the U of Ohio (at Oxford,O). Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave him TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very carefully, over again. Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused training is immoral.  I’ve watched him in one short session calm impossible dogs, just about to be murdered (oops "put to sleep") because of their "incorrigibly" violent behavior. Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine to hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for hyperactive dogs); but he never lost sight of the fundamental reality that a dog is not a human, but does respond, doggily, to dog love. You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner’s "Cumulative Record" and read the essay by Breland and Breland, "The Misbehavior of Organisms". Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the trainer attends to the evolutionary history, the individual’s developmental history, and the environmental niche of the animal being trained. Yep, right there in Skinner’s last and summary book. Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal. <SNIP Dr. Von         INTRO TO WITS’ END DOG TRAINING MANUAL              George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D. F.R.S.H. Several years ago one of my old students telephoned to me and asked me what I knew about Doggie Do Right, a device to cause your neighbor’s dog to stop barking. 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Jerry is a slender fellow with a belly button lenghth grey beard tapering down his chest. I liked him immediately, and I applied his instrument to the neighborhood again which again became silent. It occured to me that if this ultrasonic field worked with dogs that we ought at least to ask the question, what happens to humans in range of the device??? I asked Jerry to give me a list of customers and began inquiring among them. One thing became immediately evident. The Doggie Do Right not only shuts up your neighbors’ dogs, it calms and modifies your husband’s behavior. Holey Moley, Captain Marvel, this device has major potential. In the meantime Jerry gave me a copy of his Wits End Dog Training Manual. I was delighted. He also introduced me to the world of professional dog trainers some of whom even have Ph.D.s in psychology. This was not such a delight as it appeared that none of these luminaries had actually read Skinner, Lazarus or other fountains of wisdom in psychology. Indeed, it seemed as though they knew very little about the laws of behavior at all! Punishment and confrontation seemed to be their major stock in trade. Well, if you go to my website, www.drbiofeedback.com you can read of the career of Sam Corson, I.P. Pavlov’s last student. Sam demonstrated that rehabilitation of hyperactive dogs can easily and readily be done using TLC, tender loving care is at the root of the scientific management of doggies. Pavlov told us so 100 years ago. So what are these degreed morons doing punishing dogs, and shouting "NO" into their doggie faces? If you pick up B.F.Skinner’s last book, CUMULATIVE RECORD, included in it is an essay by Keller Breland and Maryann Breland entitled THE MISBEHAVIOR OF ORGANISMS. Skinner deliberately included his students’ chapter to emphasize that you cannot manage the behavior of animals unless you take into consideration 1. the animal’s evolutionary niche (who is the animal?); 2. the animal’s personal history (who is the animal?) and 3, the instinctive repetoire of the animal (who is the animal?) and 4. the personality of the animal (who is the animal?). The Brelands moved far from the white rat. "Thirty-eight species, totaling over 6,000 individual animals, have been conditioned, and we have dared to tackle such unlikely subjects as reindeer, cockatoos, raccoons, porpoises, and whales. " Jerry Howe spends most of his times with dogs, but he has learned Pavlov’s lesson well. Dogs are individuals, they are individual DOGS, and they respond most directly and immediately to love and tender loving care. Read with pleasure, and then go love your dog. George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H. Who’s Who Honoree since 1983           The Puppy Wizard’s Wits End Training Method         I have studied canine behavior and dog training for         years. I have a huge library that covers every system         of training.         The Puppy Wizard’s (Jerry Howe’s) Wits’ End Training         Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,         the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training         method yet discovered.         It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is         a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem         and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically         consistent manner.         Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to         understand the basis of his system and please follow         his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.         It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed         descriptions about why behavior problems occur and         how their solution should be approached.         One should not pick and choose from among his methods         based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is not a         bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system for not         only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.         When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for         you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it         produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.         You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle         with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you         praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you         will become the center of your dogs world, if you use         Jerry’s sound distraction with praise, then it takes         just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your         dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15         seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to         lie quietly and let me clip his nails).         Using Jerry’s scientific method (sound distraction /         praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to         train you dog to respond to your commands.         What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old         puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would         carry him in response to my recall command-and he         comes running every time I call no matter where we are         or what he is doing.         At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon         his leash thanks to Jerry’s hot & cold exercises and         his Family Pack Leadership exercises.        Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you        scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,        if you force him then his natural response is to oppose        you.        Is Jerry a nut?       It doesn’t make any difference to me whether he is or not.       It is a logical fallacy to judge a person’s ideas based upon       their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry       wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply       when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding       or hurting dogs.       More than that, he knows  that force is not effective       and that it will certainly  lead to behavior problems;       sometime problems so severe  that people put their       dogs down because of those problems.      I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control      their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been      at our wits’ end, haven’t we?      Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific      literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs      respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind      to praise.     Don’t bribe your dog with treats; give him what he     wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.     You will be astonished at how your dog ’s anxiety will     dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate     along with their anxiety.     Treat Jerry

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Here’s MOORE: ALL behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. PART II 1. Obedience We’ll be approaching our obedience training program as a piecemeal quilt puzzle; that is to say, that any one point has got to fit within the entire context, and as you develop skills, you may "mix and match" commands to suit your needs or situation at that moment. But we do have a procedure that is very much like the kind of steps you would follow as though you were starting your car or computer system. These steps are like your keys to your car or password to your files. It’s unlikely that your dog, when trained, will listen to anyone that does not approach the "control panel" to his mind, without the "keys" imbedded in this series of commands. He’ll understand that anyone asking business of him is not approved, without "them keys." Practice on a daily basis should not exceed four minutes to accomplish the exercises. Practice needs to be performed at least every second day. With problem dogs, this is critical. If you are using this training to suffice your dog’s emotional needs, whether it be anxiety from separation, aggression, or stress from any source, the benefits of this exercise will wear off in three days, at least until some time down the road. Also, dogs do tend to forget a lesson if it has not been re-enforced for several days. After the initial training period, practice may be limited to once a week. When your dog becomes fully trained and his behavior is not an issue or goal for improvement, a brief exercise should be formally done once a week, later once a month. We are going to give your pet 100% of your undivided positive attention, in an intense, four- minute exercise, which will have the benefit of exercising the dominant and submissive nature of your dog’s personality. These "natures of your dog’s personality" are easily accessed through the positions and postures in relationship to yourself, as you and your dog perform your obedience routines. Each position will elicit particular sorts of body language from your dog (and vice versa, so act natural). If you pay close attention you can determine how well or not your dog is relating to you. Each exercise or command in the following text will articulate what must be paid close attention, and how to make this knowledge work for you and your dog. We have special routines to break stress and tension, as well as methods to express dominance and elicit and enforce strict, exacting discipline. You will develop a feel for these as you progress through this system. The Method GUARANTEES total non physical control, but you’ve got to give up forced control entirely or you’ll be challenging the dog and you’ll learn the hard way…"I told you so." Any time you are in doubt about what your next move should be, just relax, take your time to review in your mind the exercise you are performing, and then execute the correct move. Everything has a particular progression. Admittedly, this is a complicated system. HOWEver, there is no need to worry about mastering the technique and psychology involved right away. It will become very clear as you begin to   wo  rkonit. Just as we will expect your dog to learn something new with practice, you too will develop a sense for what we are doing, but only with practice. You’ll develop a feel for what we’re doing. The pieces fit together like a jigsaw puzzle, and, like a jigsaw puzzle, you start by dumping the whole thing out in front of you and then try to put it in some sort of order. Think of our method like that puzzle. Keep in mind also that things change here, according to what has been mastered. 2. Ask Your Dog To Work We’ll start with a preliminary command to set the tone for our lesson. Ask your dog if he would like to go to work. Do so in an upbeat manner, with a questioning tone, as you lean or step backward just a little bit, praising all the while. (For more details on this, see the "Hot and Cold" exercise, in Part I of the W.E.D.T.M. Manual.) We don’t care if he wants to "go to work" or not. He’s going to, but we would do much better if he were looking forward to enjoying it. This does not mean we’re going to play, because just as soon as you finish this phrase "Do you want to go to work? Good boy," you’re going to follow through with his next command to come to order. 2A. Back To Work "Back to work," is his next command, it’s rather like the command "attention" in the military. It functions as a tool we can utilize to command his attention under emergency conditions as well as for daily requests to come to order… "Back to work" is to be followed in the same breath, without pausing or hesitating, with the forthcoming commands, while at the same time giving the hand signals and foot signals. It’s going to seem much like rubbing your head and patting your stomach at the same time. There are several events that are going to take place one after the other, quickly in succession. Your hand signal and foot signal will coincide with the voice commands. It’s crucial that signals and voice commands all coincide, as your dog will be learning all of these at once. 2B. Stay The "stay" command is very complicated. There are two hand signals and a foot signal as well as, of course, your voice command. It changes depending on whether you are at the side or "heel" position, or at a distance in front of him, or whether you are leaving his side with him remaining behind, or if you are returning toward him. Don’t worry about anything other than the hand signal from the side at this point. Leaving your dog on the stay command is covered later. It’s simple, but get used to the basics first. Stay from the side is a sweeping motion with your left hand coming forward, high from above your elbow, fingers together, as if to touch the tip of your middle finger to the top of your dogs nose, being careful to keep your hand from breaking into your dogs vision directly over his head. We don’t need to be close, just in the line of peripheral vision at about 15 degrees his snout. Give it high and forward of your body. Follow through by bringing your hand back up and sweeping it around toward your chest, placing your left wrist at your dog’s right shoulder, as you place your palm on his breast bone, as you pat him once or twice, and continue into the "sit straight" (or "stand straight" or "down straight") command, described below. What I’m trying to show is the stay signal comes in high in front and is brief.The hand then recedes high in an arch towards the handler before coming into the dog’s chest parallel to his right shoulder. The idea being that we don’t want to lean over the dog to set his chest, neck, and head. It’s a defensive position as some dogs may snap, that’s why we’re calming them in the forthcoming moves. 2C. Sit From The Side Sit from the side involves just the hand and voice signals. The left palm comes up, until your elbow is bent ninety degrees. In due course, all you’ll need to do is cup your palm. But for now, let’s make it easy for your dog to notice. Sounds pretty easy, so let’s throw in some body language. Before your dog has completed any command in these series, the next command in that series will be issued. We will do this slowly, so that your dog can think out what you are asking yet moving into the next phase before the prior has been completed. Not too slowly, but not too fast. You’re going to be leading and directing his attention, rather than his body. His body will follow his attention and thoughts. When you are ready to begin the "return to heel command," get a visual fix on a landmark, so as to be sure to orient yourselves correctly after your dog has completed sitting. At the beginning, we’ll not worry too much about this orientation, or for that matter, any orientation, but it will quickly become extremely important to be precise. Your hand signal for "return to heel" is with your left index finger, pointing to the ground just behind your left side, as you look down and back, toward where your finger is pointing. Leaning your weight on your right foot, so as to facilitate the movement of your left foot signal, just about one half step backward, not too far so as to lose balance, but enough to get your dog inspired to move. This is an action command, and the motion you use will help start your dog’s movement. At the same time your left foot moves, your hand signal and eyes will be pointing and moving in sync with your foot, as your upper body twists, just kind of a quarter turn left twist of your upper body as your foot moves, and back to forward. "Back to work, heel, good boy, nice dog, sit, stay, good dog." That’s your voice command to get him to the return to heel position. When this series has finished, and while you are still saying "good dog," you’ll need to pat him, just once or twice on his chest, as you give him his next command to "sit straight," and adjust his front square at your side, by lifting his weight by his breast bone, and move his front just a little, as you help (actually cheat), by adjusting yourself at the same time to be square at the heel position. Next, run your hand from his breast bone up under his throat, to his chin, at which point you’ll repeat your stay signal, as you run your hand down one side of his body from the left shoulder down along his ribs. Then the right side, then, to one front foot, then the next. You’ll see later. 2D. Heel vs. Return to Heel The heel position means your dog’s shoulders must be parallel to your knees. Return to heel is the means by which he arrives there. Both commands are action words and require movement on your part to teach your dog what it means. The voice command for both tasks is the same. The movement of your left foot and the direction you point your index finger and direct your eyes do change, depending whether you are going to move forward on the heel, or to have your dog return at your … read more »

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HOWEDY mr greg,

Well as the title says, our german shepherd seems to be afraid of our new house.

Your dog is AFRAID on accHOWENT of he don’t have CONfidence in YOU. in the day, he is always looking at the ceilings like he almost afraid of shadows, then he tries to hide behind couches etc.

You can EXXXTINGUISH his FEAR if you PRAISE him. I try to play with him to make him more comfortable but he just isnt in the mood for it.

On accHOWENT of he’s AFRAID. also at night I had to put boxes under my bed because he forces his 95lbs body underneath it and gets stuck under there.

He gets STUCK on accHOWENT of he PAINICKS when he tries to get HOWET. once i pull him out, he runs and hides in the bathroom facing the wall wedged under the toilet!

He’s havin PAINICK attacks. You can EXXXTINGUISH that by PRAISING IN ADVANCE and briefly variably and alternately DISTRACTING and PRAISING his FEAR responses. I am at a loss at what to do.

You AIN’T gonna get no ADVICE from HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punkg Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES who jerk and choke dogs on pronged spiked pinch choke collars and shock and spray aversives in their dog’s faces and bribe and lock them in boxes and ignore their cries for attention and affection. THAT’S the kind of TRAININ that CAUSES phobias like your dog’s GOT. DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST to HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES. Do they. Thanks for your help in advance.

Think abHOWET it. Did you just fall HOWETA the cabbage truck? greg-

Here’s the lying dog abusing punk thug coward active long term incurable MENTAL CASES you’re ASKIN for advice, mr greg: By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If that’s what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of crap has got to stop, and that’s why I’m here, to help wean you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of dealing with behavior problems.

Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation up until this last paragraph. Why did you blow it? –Matt

          Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:           When you compare using sound and           praise to solve a problem with using           shock collars, hanging, and punishment           how can you criticize the use of sound?           There’s nothing more to be said, then.           You’ve made up your mind.           But you’ve impressed me by mentioning           that you’re a professor with 30 years of           experience.           So, can you cite some examples of           people recommending "shock collars,           hanging, and punishment"?           —           –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Jerome Bigge writes: I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we want to do. And neither does anyone else, Jerome. No matter what Jerry Howe states. –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: I try really hard not to yell.  The times that I have, Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash.

Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers, thinking I’m angry at him – a reason I don’t "yuk out" others’ dogs at agility trials or training. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. "Just Want To Second Jerry’s Method For Dealing With This (Destructive Separation Anxiety). I’ve Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It’s Worked ‘EVERY TIME The Very First Time’ – marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience. You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard’s Surrogate Toy Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)? Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar? You’re scary Marilyn. Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual. I feel very sorry for her and her family.

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry. Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce, Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.           BUT, giving you the benefit of the           doubt, please provide a quote (an           original quote, not from one of Jerry           Howe’s heavily edited diatribes) that           shows a regular poster promoting or           using an abusive form of training.           –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Is that true, Marilyn? Of course not~ but THIS IS: "Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean slap,"  professora gingold.  "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will   Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe.   This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times   It Happens, But You’ll Get Over It." mike duforth,   author:  "Courteous Canine." "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What  does this mean? When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt directly into the dog’s mouth and walk away. The dog won’t be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior." –Mike Dufort author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines" Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure.

Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and says: lying frosty dahl says: "To me, training a dog without using intimidation, confrontation, or punishment is, indeed, everything.  I certainly reject "force" as Marilyn defines it.  And "fear" can be included under the category of intimidation. Not a one of these is constructive in the training of a dog; all are bad for the dog/handler relationship, the dog’s confidence, the dog’s ultimate potential, etc. But I do make use of tools and methods which I believe to cause physical discomfort, including electric collars, pinch collars, chain collars, switches, and the ear pinch. I just don’t equate the reaction with the tool/method–I look at the dog to know its reaction.  I think that is what some people don’t do:  they are so full of surmises about what causes what, that they never bother to regard the dog as the authority. I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article (SHE’D REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU DON’T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH SPIKES). I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM). I would never advise anyone to slap a dog (SHE’S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???). I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, it means slap.  amy lyingfrosty dahl continues:  "On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained  require much more frequent and heavy application of  pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,  This is continued resistance to your increasing authority,  and the job is not done until it is overcome Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog, Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch. Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" sinofabitch writes: What I have said- repeatedly – is that he took posts from two different people, took pieces of them out of context, cobbled them together, then added his own words:

"Neatly," and "Smartly." and a fake signature.

"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which is exactly what he did. The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context, and Jerry’s faked "quote" is downright meaningless. Here’s Jerry’s version   "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My    Right Arm  Over The Lab’s Shoulder,    Grabbed Her Opposite  Foot With My    Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,    Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into    Her Throat  And Said "GRRRR!" And    Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch. Here’s yours;   "I dropped the

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My puppy likes to eat mulch. Why?

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BWEEEEEEEEEAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HOWEDY diannes, Every time now that we take our new puppy outside she likes to run over to the flower bed and start chewing on a piece of mulch. ANY behavior that’s CONSISTENT REPEATABLE or PREDICTABLE is EZ to EXXXTINGUISH NEARLY INSTANTLY.  Why does she do this? Could be lots or irrelevent reasons. The PROBLEM is she’s pickin up STUFF she shouldn’t have. THAT’S ALL we gotta know. What kind of mulch is this–? That’s irrelevent on accHOWENT of she ain’t gonna DO that noMOORE.  If it’s cocoa hulls, she’s eating it because it smells good. Lots of STUFF smells good.  But it’s TOXIC for dogs, NO PROBLEMO. We got poisonHOWES plants and critters all over the place. It’s EZ to train your dogs not to eat poisonHOWES plants or toads or snakes or garbage or food from C-HOWENTERS or ANY thing.  so do keep her away from it You CAN’T train a dog NOT to DO sumpthin if you AVOID it on accHOWENT of you don’t know HOWE to TRAIN the dog not to DO that. (i.e. use a leash You mean force restraint to force the dog not to eat STUFF? HOWE will that train the dog NOT to EAT STUFF when IT ain’t ON LEASH gettin choked away from it?  until you can replace the mulch). That’s INSANE. It only takes a couple minutes to TRAIN a dog not to EAT POISON. There’s also a disorder called pica Pica is an Obsessive Compulsive Disorder causes by STRESS from REPRESSIVE or bribery trainin methods which INCREASE anxiHOWESNESS to dangerHOWES levels.  that causes dogs to eat inedible things. No. The dog DOES the OCD behavior on accHOWENT of he’s STRESSED. You can CURE OCD’S NEARLY INSTANTLY if you know HOWE. I’ve had two friends "Birds of a feather…," The puppy Wizard’s DADDY.  who’ve had dogs who had insatiable cravings for rocks, Yeah. Chewin rocks would SCARE an ETHICKAL BREEDER on accHOWENT of it could RUIN a dog’s show and breeding career.  and it was a very very difficult problem to deal with. Right. On accHOWENT of your PALS jerked and choked and stole the foribdden object from the dog and threw it HOWETA sight instead of simply breaking the dog of picking it up and leavin it where it was and leavin the dog to learn HOWE to DEAL with the distraction. Don’t know if mulch can trigger this disorder, though. No. Mulch cannot punish and intimdiate a dog. Unless he swallows it. Then it may kill him. But that’s O.K., ethickal breeders will put you back on the list and ethickal vets will sign your new puppy up for his puppy shot and worming series. If she seems unduly obsessed with getting to it, THAT’S the NATURE of an OCD. Ain’t it.  I would check with your vet. The vet don’t know HOWE to POISON PROOF your dog. That’d be competetive with their surgical approach to dogs swallowing STUFF. However, it’s most likely that Leah is correct: leah is a lying dog abusing punk thug coward and active long term incurable mental case, like yourself.  puppies do pick up everything in their mouths, Not if you TRAIN them NOT to. But you don’t know HOWE.  and it just may feel good in her mouth and/or be fun to play with. Yeah. Like poo or dead critters or your shoes or filthy undies like janet boss had EXXXTRACTED from her dog for the same same same same reason.  If you make yourself more fun to play with than the mulch is, the problem should go away. Yeah. IN A PIG’S HEINIE. What’s gonna make it GO AWAY? You think he’s gonna FORGET sumpthin he LOVES to do? Soon as he gets a chance he’ll be back on it and as soon as you CORRECT the pup for trying to chew a piece and you’re back to the startin gate. Dianne You got NO METHOD to TRAIN a dog not to eat garbage poison or other innocent critters. <<Recent posts have me wondering, do any people, or theorists that you know, do things other than "time out" when a child engages in a behavior that is clearly wrong? Let’s forget abHOWET "clearly wrong," as that will put you at odds with the child or dog, who may or may not understand your values. Yes, for younger children it’s called spanking. The OBJECTIVE is not to HURT, but to TEACH. Spanking and scolding and otherWIZE teaching a child or dog to FEAR an abusive bully only teaches animHOWEsity and fear, which fosters lying and sneakiness. Would your kids have run up the phone bill if you was standing there threatening them??? Of curse not! That’s HOWE COME forcing control NEVER WORKS, unless you’re gonna stand there FOREVER  and FORCE CONTROL. You can’t do that when the kid or dog gets big enough to jump the fence or otherWIZE, escape your control. For older children it can involve grounding, The Puppy Wizard was NEVER grHOWENDED as a child. the revokation of privileges, The Puppy Wizard LAUGHS at punishment. or the temporary confiscation of personal belongings (what good does it do to punish a kid by sending him to his room if all his stuff is in there?) Yeah. Punishment DOES NOT WORK, it only teaches ANTI SOCIAL and CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR. Well I guess it depends on what you want to achieve. Parents and dog owners who PUNISH have only their own FEELINGS to protetct, they’re unaware of the HARM they cause their charges and society when they ESCAPE FORCED CONTROL. If you want to acheive mindless cessation of the offending behavior, these techniques will work, NO. That’s an ILLUSION. The behaviors RESUME soon as the PUNISHER is unavailable to PUNISH the undesirable behaviors. Each LAPS in CONTROL where the victim achieves his goals, is called VARIABLE REINFORCEMENT, in behaviorISM lingo. Any dog trainer will tell you variable reinforcement is like pullin the arm of a slot machine, to a gambler. FORCE TRAINING DOES NOT WORK, not withHOWET GUARANTEED 10% FAILURE, or MOORE. in the short term. Right. Force trainers are only concerned with the moment, cause they do not possess the intellect to HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog or child.  If you want to raise a child who is capable of using judgement to determine right from wrong for herself, then this is the wrong way to go. INDEEDY. I would disagree. Is that so? As somone who has been there, I would suggest that one can in fact "discipline" a child through confiscation and groundings To teach fair mindedness, trust, and respect?  and still allow that child to determine right from wrong. FORGET RIGHT or WRONG. Dogs and children do not know right from wrong, that’s YOUR VALUES you TEACH through DEMONSTRATED SELF DISCIPLINE. PUNISHING is WRONG. For one thing, even if a child knows that something is "right" doesn’t mean that the child will "do the right thing"  all the time. Well, that’s YOUR EXPERIENCE because YOU FORCE CONTROL through punishment and intimidation which INCREASES ANXIETY and like the slot machine, VARIABLY REINFORCES the inapupriate behaviors when the CONTROLLER is not there to REINFORCE the behaviors which have been REPRESSED… REPRESSING BEHAVIORS only causes then to CHANGE, to OTHER, SEEMINGLY NON RELATED behaviors as anxiety relief mechanisms. And for another thing, not all issues are "right" and  "wrong" kind of sitatuions. As a parent or dog owner, there are no grey areas to RIGHT or WRONG. Punishing IS WON of those WRONG situation which are WRONG ALL THE TIME. You cannot teach VALUE JUDGEMENTS through FEAR. And some "whys" and rights and wrongs are varied by family and too dificult for child to undersand. So, you’ll TRY HARDER to FORCE values and judgement through INTIMIDATION, FORCE, RESTRAINT, and DENIAL? When I make an absolute statement saying "We dont throw toys in the house" or "We don’t bounce on the furniture" or whaver, of course eventually I want the child to understand the motivation and my reasoning, and I reinforce these regularly. BWEAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Tellin the child or dog "NO!" for unacceptable behaviors teaches them HOWE to FORCE CONTROL over YOU. Any time the child or dog can stop you dead in your tracks to address their inapupriate behaviors REINFORCES THEIR POWER over you and DEFEATS YOUR PUPORSE.  Hopefully this is a two pronged attack. Perhaps if you chose NOT to ATTACK your kids they wouldn’t run up tHOWEsand dollar phone bills, KNOWING FULL WELL, they’d GET CAUGHT AND PUNISED accordingly? EVER THINK OF THAT??? YOUR METHOD FAILED MISERABLY, yet you will DIE DEFENDING IT, cause if YOU are DEAD WRONG, your HUMAN NATURE will NOT allHOWE YOU to ADMIT IT, and your CONSCIENCE will HIDE from scrutiny. That’s HOWE COME the KILLFILE The Puppy Wizard campaignes. Of course since my youngest is now in high school, the wrongs and rights and thinking for oneself become more interested.  They also become more interesting. Yeah… Looks like you done REAL GOOD! Barb (who owns a

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HOWEDY marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog abuser coward mental case aka mudbunny,

For now, anyways. At 16 weeks of age (possibly earlier, as we just noticed it this week), my shih-tzu/mini schnauzer has discovered that he is a

man!! Yeah? I’d think he’s a DOG. To the unfortunate suprise of a number of fuzzy slippers in the apartment.

Kinda like our good professor SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO! into its face for 5 seconds" dermer’s little dog Maxie The Magnificient Masturbator furiHOWESLY masturbatin on his C-HOWECH pillows. I am not sure if he knows WHAT he is doing,

He’s having an anxiety relief mechanism OCD behavior problem just like professor SCRUFF SHAKE’S little dog. It’s caused by YOUR PUNISHING HIM. -but it is sure funny to see him doing it…

You mean you think his STRESS RESPONSE is FUNNY? He won’t be doing it for long though,

Cause he’ll probably TURN on you and you’ll KILL IT, to be FAIR. once training classes are over

Oh, the training is what’s CAUSING this. and he has all his teeth,

Destructive chewing is a BEHAVIOR PROBLEM, not an act of TEETHING. he will be going to the vet.

To be neutered. That’s not gonna address his anxiety and the furious masturbation WILL CONTINUE. Unless you give him 5 miles of daily exxxercise. Marcel C. Beaudoin

I hate to say it, but I TOLD YOU SO. Pray for the poor slippers, they will never be the same again…

Yeah. PRAY for dog training LUCK, marcel. GOOD LUCK. HOWEDY Marcel, Bitter apple often DOESN’T WORK. Sloan’s NEVER FAILS. The IDEA is NOT to use aversives, but if there’s a SPECIAL NEED, temporarily using Sloans on electric cords etc, is PERFECTLY SAFE physiologically, but DETRIMENTAL psychologically. So, is your INTEREST in the TOXICITY of Sloan’s Vs Bitter Apple in the interest of PROTECTING DOGS from ABUSE? Or is your false argument displaced ANGER at Your Puppy Wizard for always being RIGHT and PROVING our DOG LOVER are a Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards who’d rather HURT YOUR DOG than admit Your Puppy Wizard is right? In Your Puppy Wizard’s experience observation and personal opinion based on field trials and proven effective results, there is NO RISK of toxicity from any amount of Sloans used on chewable items, on account of THE DOG AIN’T GONNA CHEW stuff with Sloan’s on it. HOWEver, if you was a REAL DOG LOVER, your OBJECTION should RIGHTFULLY be, the use of AVERSIVES, and NOT the false accusations of physical harm as a result of SAVING THE DOG’S LIFE, the standard COP OUT for HURTIN DOGS as YOUR PALS TEACH. NOW GET THE HEEL OFF OUR FORUM or study your FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual and CONTRIBUTE to our forum, Marcel, or get the heel outta here. What’s it gonna be?  You gonna continue to make yourself out to be a CHUMP PUNK LYING DOG ABUSING THUG COWARD like your mentors and peers, or are you gonna do what’s RIGHT for your own dog, Marcel? The follow posters are either paid shills, forgeries or LIARS, according to our dog lovers. Ask anybody. YOU figure it out: Aloha Sunny, Just follow the training program to the letter, no matter how insignificant some of the step seem to be and your puppy will be a very well behaved dog in a few days. I would seriously consider backing out of the training classes as they will conflict with the Wit’s End principles. I went the training route first, and still had problems until I found Wits’ End.  Now I have two "new and improved" dogs. You won’t be disappointed if you follow the program. Good luck, Hoku

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– To: The Puppy Wizard Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM Aloha Jerry, Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy technique is working wonders.  I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now.  It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come home to a made bed. Your program is awesome, but you already know that.  Keep up the good work! Hoku Hi, Jerry. I’m not sure that I’m a 100% convert, or that I agree with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this manual … BUT … we had "come" down pat in a few reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber ball at my feet on command. He’s still not perfect (just a pup, after all, and he’s stubborn enough to want to push and test me a little bit more). For what it’s worth, I can see (as no doubt you have) how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even if that was the only method that would work, I’d live with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that. (Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively, tho’). Best, ben Re: Barking Deterrants Needed… Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have spoken with him briefly once by email. I have no stake or interest in the success of  his business.  I simply want to thank him publicly for one of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety. I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it. Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked! I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes him is not understanding his logic. Thank you Jerry! —– Original Message —– Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM Jerry! You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago regarding submissive peeing.  Just wanted to let you know he’s doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days using your techniques!  He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"!  Once I stoppped thinking like a human and got inside his head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer. I rescued two strays last week, cleaned ‘em up, wormed ‘em, and am getting them thier shots. Time to get inside their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to be good dogs!  Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward to working with these guys a couple times a day…  Although I don’t follow your instructions "to a T", I learned from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate thier brain rather than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense.  I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY ass lol! Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs.  A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship".  He is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows any more, but goes now and then to rub thier noses in it (pun intended)…  Too cool…. Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work! Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard —– Original Message —– Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM expecting to much Hi Jerry, When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine for daughter’s new pup, I told you that I had an older Chessie.  I rescued him at 9 years old and have had him for 3 years. It’s funny, but I thought I’d try some of your book training with him. Where I used to say "come" and then say "good boy" when he obeyed, I have reversed it with a "good boy" first.  It really does work.  He was very confused at first, wondering what he had done to get the praise. But it really gets the attention and distracts him from whatever he may have going through his brain when he hears it. Dogs are funny, but people are too.  Can’t wait to get the Doggy do Right, etc. Thanks, N Okay, I gotta speak up here… We’ve been using Jerry’s methods with our dog.  We had the same problem as the original poster has with Buzz.  One day working with the family pack exercise and practicing the recall command with the family and she’ll now go out with hubby and daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even refusing to go with anyone but me. I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you might hear about Jerry & Wits’ End here, to try the method and *judge the results for yourself*. Let’s see what other areas she’s improved in… always comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn’t try to steal food from our plates or beg… probably a few more things I’m forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and don’t wander. jh). That’s in about a week’s time. Her overall demeanor has changed.  When we brought  her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys where she was possessive and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by previous owners, then she was in a shelter for months.  They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill her  Now she’s gained confidence and trust with us.  Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes).  She barked!  Big deal, she barked just once when she heard the front door.  Great! Anyway, you’ll be told lots of nasty stuff about

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HOWEDY randy,

It’s just regular wood mulch.

Doesn’t matter, randy. A dog is a dog. Your dog is gonna CONtinue to do whatever IT WANTS to do just as your children will, on accHOWENT of you don’t have the intellect to HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog even after The Amazing Puppy Wizard and all HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students all over the Whole Wild World told you HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY and for FREE, to boot.  NO fertilizer at all.

Whatever. Next time it’ll be bones glass rocks garbage or maybe that SPECIAL TREAT, Gorilly Glue like bentcajungirl aka perry’s DEAD DOG Maggie done and got DEAD over. Or filthy undies like janet boss’s dog Franklin done and got intestinal surgery over. Or garbage like stan the Nazi man’s dog got intestinal surgery over. Or scraps of carpet like diddler’s dog got intestinal surgery over.  I’ll have to get her some more chew toys

You think you’re gonna teach her not to eat poison by offering her chew toys? That’s INSANE. Some of your chew toys will likely harm her as much as the mulch you don’t know HOWE to train her not to swallow. Dogs chew stuff. They SWALLOW stuff they chew to stop you from takin it away from them. EXXXCESSIVE or COMPULSIVE chewing is a SYMPTOM of anxiHOWESNESS.  and see if I can replace the mulch

BWEEEEEEEHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!! You gonna remove ALL the mulch in the Whole Wild World like HOWER DOG LOVERS who pick up other dog’s shit so their dogs don’t eat it? with something better to chew on.

Ain’t nuthin better than FORBIDDEN FRUIT.         TRUST The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~  )  

BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!! Like culprit’s dogs. They ATE her DEAD KAT. Every time now that we take our new puppy outside she likes to run over to the flower bed and start chewing on a piece of mulch.  Why does she do this? 8 week old Golden retreiver. Had her for only 2 days now. in addition to the other comments…

There’s been NO advice HOWE to break this behavior. what kind of fertilizer (if any) do you use under the mulch?

That’s irrelevent, on accHOWENT of the dog AIN’T gonna be eatin it anyHOWE.  if the mulch or fertilizer contains things like "bone meal" or "blood meal", your dog is probably attracted to the scent.

He may even get Mad Cow DIS-EASE. my dogs have ripped open and devoured boxes of organic fertilizer.  :-)

Kinda like HOWE they RIPPED OPEN and devHOWERED culprit aka kelly aka metta’s $7,000.00 DEAD KAT. -kelly

You think these imbeciles can offer you any viable trainin advice, randy? Thanks,

Only liars dog abusers cowards and active long term incurable MENTAL CASES post here abHOWETS, randy. Randy

The Amazing Puppy Wizard COULDN’T EMBARRASS you if what HE sez ain’t the truth. Sorry abHOWET that. Which category are you in, randy? Most parents CRINGE and particularly HATE The Amazing Puppy Wizard for makin them HOWET to be less intelligent than a two year old child. But THAT’S just an EXXXCUSE. Their real problem is that when they read The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s Posts they recognize that they’re child abusers on accHOWENT of that’s what they learned from their parents and teachers. Like professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer from the ANAL-ytic behaviorISM department at UofWI, or his associate dr. plonsky, for EXXXAMPLE. But that’s a tail for another day. Perhaps you should review my original post to you on this subject and then set your dirty punk thug coward arse DHOWEN an study your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method MANual and learn HOWE to become (with "a lotta hard work") a half decent human being while you learn HOWE to train your dog to naturally WANT to do ANY THING you ask. Study your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual and extrapolate the ideas and use them on your kids… HOWEDY Dandelion Acres,

I know your type,

That’s curiHOWES. There ain’t no such thing. The Puppy Wizard is WON of a kind. there is nothing I or anybody else can say to shut you up.

Not unless you know MOORE than The Puppy Wizard. Then HE’S all ears. No pinching, twisting, or pullin, if you don’t mind, please. Your ego is too big for just this group.

INFORMATION got nuthin to do with ego. Suffice to say that your "method" may work for animals,

INDEED. Like freakin MAGICK. but cannot work for a child.

That’s preposterHOWES. In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS. A Dog Is A Dog As A Child Is A Child. They Respond In Predictable Innate, Normal, Natural, Instinctive, Reflexive, Ways, To Circumstances And Situations Of Their Environments Which We Create For Them. ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT. I may beat my dog, and I may beat you, but I will not beat a child.

The Puppy Wizard sez you beat your child with your mind. And the electric collar does not fit the little girl too well,

Shocking bribing pain fear force and intimidation are for incompetent egomaniacs who can’t control themselves and can’t HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog or child… or you wouldn’t NEED to force intimidate and HURT them. so that’s out of the question.

Shocking children IS APPROVED by the apa, with the guardian’s approval. Ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE. But, just maybe, an in-audible ultrasonic rythmic pulsating sound will pacify her to the point of submitting to any suggestions…..

INDEED? That’s be REVOLUTIONARY. Wouldn’t it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message HOWEDY Dandielion Acres, HOWEDY People, Hi, I am new to this newsgroup, LikeWIZE. I’m Jerry Howe, The Puppy Wizard. but am having a tough time with my 2-1/2 (almost 3) year old daughter. You can interchange the word puppy for child or just abHOWET anything else that _ fits, and you got the same same same same, The _ Wizard. I also have a 4-1/2 (almost 5) year old daughter but they are very different personalities So you INDIVIDUALIZE your treatment of them? Won’t that INCONSISTENCY cause sibling rivalry, animHOWESITY, and JEALHOWESY? and I didn’t have the same problems with her as I am with the younger one. Right. No two kids puppys or military recruites are the same. But in the military, they don’t all get SPECIAL ATTENTION unless they REQUIRE special attention because they’re FAILING TO PERFORM under the traditional methods of TRAINING. The FAILURE RATE is less than 10% of J.Q. Pubic invited by special request of The President and Citizens of the United States. The Puppy Wizard CANNOT ACCEPT 10% failure HOWEver, cause in the problem animal behavior business, FAILURE MEANS DEATH. In the military, it just means you throw the 10%’ers back and get new recruites. Can’t do that with kids, and you can’t do that with dogs, unless you’re WILLING to KILL them. That’s been the state of the art, till The Puppy Wizard came here to drop the hammer on the entire behavioral community. I was able to use reward/consequence with the oldest one and it worked beautifully. NO. It APPEARED to work beautifully. The RESULTS will not be seen till perhaps the child is an adult… then the VALUES you’ve taught her will be evident. GREED FEAR and MISTRUST are the values taught by CONSEQUENCES and REWARDS. LYING and SNEAKINESS are the fruit of FEAR OF CONSEQUENCES. She learned quickly that ‘if I do this….then that will happen’ Or whatever was appropriate for the offense. Offence??? HOWE can a CHILD or DOG, be an OFENDER??? THEY DON’T KNOW NO DAMNED BETTER, THEY’RE DUMB ANIMALS and CHILDREN, like a dumb hillbilly army recruit. But the younger one…… Is the same same same same as the older WON, if YOU didn’t INDIVIDUALIZE your treatment and control of her. INCONSISTENT METHODS YIELD INCONSISTENT RESULTS. The Puppy Wizard cannot accept INCONSISTENCY, cause INCONSISTENCY MEANS FAILURE, in the behavior business. She is tying with me for the most stubborn person on Earth. That’s HOWE COME I’m The _ Wizard, and your not. I know where she gets most of her traits, The fruit don’t fall far from the fruitcake. but I’m having a hard time getting her to behave. The _ Wizard’s SPECIALTY! YOU CAN’T MAKE THEM DO ANYTHING. She has started talking back to me Where on earth did she LEARN, that? (which I usually verbally correct her) Ahhh. Thank you. So what’s your COMPLAINT??? YOU TAUGHT HER BY SELF DEMONSTRATION. and is independent to a fault. AS YOU TAUGHT HER. Reason is not in her vocabulary at this point. The fruit don’t fall far from the fruitcake, does it. (And yes, I realize she’s only 2-1/2.) So, you’re losing a battle of wits to a 2-1/2 y.o child? Don’t feel too bad. The fruit don’t fall far

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HOWEDY marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog abuser coward active long term incurable mental case phd psychoclHOWEN, I’ll have to get her some more chew toys and see if I can replace the mulch with something better to chew on. Just to give you another data point

You mean INFORMATION abHOWET HOWE to train his dog not to eat forbidden fruit, marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog abuser coward mental case phd psychoclHOWEN? to compare your puppy to.

Like when your dog bit your mrs. for takin away from him sumpthin he wasn’t supposed to chew, marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog abuser coward punk thug mental case phd psychoclHOWEN?  I have a computer desk from Office Depot  (or one of those stores). There is one part  that Moogli likes to chew on.

And you don’t know HOWE to train him not to. Ever since he was a puppy.

Yeah. You’ve been "WORKIN VERY HARD" tryin to HOWEtwit the cunning of your puppy dog. Do you guys have the words IMBECILE and IDIOT in French, marcel?  He will be sleeping in the office, and then get up and start chewing on the desk.

So you punish him. THAT’S HOWE COME he grHOWELS at you and your brother on accHOWENT of he looks like you. He will chew for 5 minutes or so and then go to sleep.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!! That’s quite the solution, ain’t it. THAT’S HOWE COME some American coined the term "IMBECILE IDIOT". Marcel and Moogli

Thanks for all the heelpful avice, marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog abuser punk thug coward mental case phd psychoclHOWEN. I hope I’m not being a pest,(I have at least one question a week) but I’ve never owned a lab before and I think my 8month old lab/shepherd has severe problems. This newsgroup made me realize she is normal. Her major problem is biting but I’m told labs and shepherds are both bad for that as puppies. Tonight I went to answer the phone and she took my arm and wouldn’t let go. I had to hang up as my arm still has puncture wounds. Has anyone had this problem? I think she gets upset that all my attention is not on her anymore.  (I do spend a lot of time with her and everyone tells me that I spoil her too much) She also bites when she needs to go outside. Any suggestions? BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

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HOWEDY Randy,

Every time now that we take our new puppy outside she likes to run over to the flower bed

Instead of stayin right by your side as she should be? and start chewing on a piece of mulch.

S-HOWENDS like she’s warming up to chew furniture. She could swallow a piece and block her intestines. You could break her of doin that if you PRAISE her IN ADVANCE instead of tellin her "NO!" Any behavior that’s CONSISTENT, REPEATABLE or PREDICTABLE is EZ to EXXXTINGUISH NEARLY INSTANTLY. ALL behaviors are the SAME SAME, they’re just wearin different clothes. Why does she do this?

Probably on accHOWENT of she’s learned she can command 100% of your undivided negative attention when you try to stop her from doin it. Every time you FAIL to punish her for picking up some crap you’ve REINFORCED the behavior. Every time you TRY to punish her for picking up some crap you’ve REINFORCED the behavior. EVERY THING you TRY to do to force CON-TROLL of your dog or child REINFORCES their undesirable behaviors and teaches them HOWE to HOWEtwit the cunning of a fear force and CON-TROLL freak. Dogs and children learn very quickly to DO what you try to tell them NOT to do. THAT’S HOWE COME HOWER EXXXPERTS NEED to JERK CHOKE SHOCK CRATE and MURDER their own dogs. 8 week old Golden retreiver.

A dog is a dog. A three week old puppy got all the BRAINS he needs to HOWEtwit the cunning of a dog abusing punk thug coward mental case like the bums we got postin here abHOWETS, Randy. That’s HOWE COME these simpletons you’re asking here abHOWETS can’t tell you HOWE to break your dog of swallowing crapola. Their own dogs EAT GARBAGE and go to the emergency HOWEspital for intestinal surgery and destroy their HOWESES. Puppy proofin your HOWES DISAVAILS you of TRAININ OPPORTUNITIES. Crating dogs CONf- HOWENDS HOWEsbreaking by teachin the dog his box is his HOWES and your HOWES is his terrortory to FHOWEL and increases fear, mistrust and anxiHOWESNESS: "Motivation Of The Resistance To Coercion," PAVLOV.         HOWEDY People,         Here’s what the rpdb "experts" in dog training can’t         figure out…         I don’t expect many of the rpdb regulars will         understand this, because it has to do with dog         training, not dog abusing.         "Reflexes of purpose and freedom" in the         comparative physiology of higher nervous activity.         Institute of Higher Nervous Activity and         Neurophysiology, Academy of Sciences,Moscow.         The most complex unconditioned "reflexes of aim and         freedom," discovered by I.P. Pavlov, are compared with         the "competence drive" and the "motivation of the         resistance to coercion," respectively, described by         contemporary ethologists.         On the basis of the unconditioned "reflex of purpose,"         conditioned reflexes were developed in which positive         emotions arising in connection with the perfection of         a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at         a given moment, serve as the reinforcement.         The unconditioned "reflex of freedom" is regarded as a         phylogenetic precursor of the will, and its acute         extinction as the physiological mechanism of hypnosis.         It was demonstrated experimentally that the appearance         of the state of "animal hypnosis" (immobilization         catatonia) in rabbits is accompanied by the         predominance of electrical activity and heat         production in the right hemisphere, i.e., by symptoms         which are found in hypnosis in man.         Simonov PV</h4         Publication Types:<ul<liReview</li<liReview,         tutorial</li</ulPMID: 2215892, UI:         91015681</blockquote         <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0         <transitional//en"         http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid         =2215892&amp;f orm=6&amp;amp;db=m&amp;amp;Dopt=b         Neurosci Behav Physiol 1990 May-Jun;20(3):230-5 LeeCharlesKelley writes:

Thanks, Jerry, that’s a helpful bit from the guy who started it all.  This shows what we’ve been saying: that teaching the dog to play fetch, regardless of its usefulness in the eventual search part of the training program, is a powerful motivator and reinforcer. Of course these idiots (pardon my being blunt) don’t see using food and clickers as being a form of coercion.  Maybe they’ve been hypnotized by Karen Pryor, et al. Had her for only 2 days now.

Good. She should be HOWEsbroken and coming every time she’s called by now if you’ve been studying your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual. And she wouldn’t be eating GARBAGE either. PERHAPS you’re not following your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual, PRECISELY? One other question…

Decent people do not post here abHOWETS, Randy. Does everyone else here just ignore "the puppy wizard"

Only the liars dog abusers cowards and active long term incurable mental cases who can’t train their dogs not to eat garbage or shit in their HOWESES withHOWET lockin them in boxes and hiding the weenie and trying to get HOWET callin THAT, trainin. after reading through a few threads for the last 20 minutes

Well then, you KNOW you’re dealin with liars dog abusers cowards and active long term incurable MENTAL CASES who choke shock beat bribe intimidate lock dogs in boxes and murder them, eh Randy? THAT’S HOWE COME DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS UNLESS they’re sayin "THANK YOU, The Amazing Puppy Wizard, your METHODS SAVED MY DOG’S LIFE. G-D BLESS YOU." That’s ALL you got to say to The Amazing Puppy Wizard UNLESS you’re askin a question abHOWET HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method. it seems like I should add him to my kill file.

Only if you’re a lying dog abusing punk thug coward active long term incurable mental case. THAT’S HOWE COME DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST here abHOWETS. Thanks,

You’re welcome. Here’s what you’re IN for: I hope I’m not being a pest,(I have at least one question a week) but I’ve never owned a lab before and I think my 8month old lab/shepherd has severe problems. This newsgroup made me realize she is normal. Her major problem is biting but I’m told labs and shepherds are both bad for that as puppies. Tonight I went to answer the phone and she took my arm and wouldn’t let go. I had to hang up as my arm still has puncture wounds. Has anyone had this problem? I think she gets upset that all my attention is not on her anymore.  (I do spend a lot of time with her and everyone tells me that I spoil her too much) She also bites when she needs to go outside. Any suggestions? BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!! Randy

WELCOME to The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Forums, Randy. NHOWE, permit The Amazing Puppy Wizard to INTRODUCE you to the CAUSE of ALL temperament and behavior problems in dogs children and society, eg, YOUR OWN HUMAN NATURE. HOWEDY People, You WONder HOWE COME dogs have temperament / aggression problems? TRUST – The MAGICK BULLET HOWEDY edgar s, What exactly does jerry suggest that makes the dog "respect" and "trust" you, that isnt’ in many other books or suggested elsewhere?

EVERY THING I TEACH. Jerry’s a psychologist.

Naaah. Jerry’s just a poor uneducated back yard shade tree shit kickin dog dog trainer, come The AMAZING Puppy Wizard. Those are his fallback statements.

You mean LIES? Regardless of how whacked out either the dog or the owner is, Jerry will claim the problem is "lack of trust" in the owner.

You gonna discuss training? Asking blind questions on a newsgroup is grasping at straws.

EXCUSE ME? I’m gettin 100% near instant TOTAL success, edgar. Hence,

Hence, there isn’t a trainer in the whole wide world who can do a better job than ME, even from sittin right here, stark ravin nekkid. I’ve got the MAGICK BULLET. the name of his program, "At Wit’s End".

Right. I specialize in the most difficult behavior problems I can find, all over the world, edgar s. Desperate people are willing to blame themselves for anything.

What blame? I don’t discuss blame or past history or past training. I don’t care about the dog’s name sex color or breed. I don’t care if my people are old cripples or retards or veterinarains or professional trainers, YOU’RE ALL THE SAME to Your Puppy Wizard. Jerry’s psycholological program is to kick their feet out from under them, make them feel like failures, and willing to do or pay anything to save their dog.

Yeah. Except for one thing, edgar s. My method and advice are FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE. Figger it out, punk. You and your pals are lying dog abusing Thugs and you ain’t gonna continue posting to our dog lover’s groups no MOORE. I would never hit, alpha roll, pinch-collar, choke-chain any of my dogs, so I enjoy reading the views of like minded people.

Neither would anyWON else… BWWWAAHJAHAHAHAHAA!!! I also have never crated my dogs, just as I never put my kids (adults now) in a  "play-pen". Chris, why dont’ you give one example where one of the regulars here has suggested someone hit, alpha-roll, choke-chain a dog? If Jerry can make people think the regulars here do so, he can drive fish into his net.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Every time now that we take our new puppy outside she likes to run over to the flower bed and start chewing on a piece of mulch. Why does she do this? 8 week old Golden retreiver. Had her for only 2 days now. in addition to the other comments… what kind of fertilizer (if any) do you use under the mulch?  if the mulch or fertilizer contains things like "bone meal" or "blood meal", your dog is probably attracted to the scent.  my dogs have ripped open and devoured boxes of organic fertilizer.  :-) -kelly

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAHAHAHHAHHAHAAA!!! And don’t FORGET, they MURDERED your DEAD KAT: Here’s you choking and shocking your dogs and trainin them to MURDER your HOWES kat: Her kat was beloved, death was her blessing. HOWEDY culprit aka kelly aka metta (metta is culprit aka kelly’s aka on the CRAZY PERSONS news groups so she’s not DISCREDITED as bein NUTSO on the NON CRAZY person’s news groups),

you want to know what kind of person your pal tpw is?

The Amazing Puppy Wizard is the only dog trainer in history who teaches people all over the Whole Wild World to handle train and rehabilitate ALL behavior problems NEARLY INSTANLY for FREE, withHOWET HURTIN noWON. i just got a personal email from him (because i made the mistake of responding to you, i’m sure), cc’d to a bunch of other folks i don’t know,

Marilyn and professor dermer and perhps Larry, cause THEY understand a little abHOWET behavior. in which he harasses and verbally abuses me about my recently deceased cat

You mean the kat you trained your dogs to MURDER. and the state of my health.

Well perhaps if you wasn’t MENTAL you wouldn’ta HURT your dogs till they MURDERED your DEAD kat.  yes, he’s using the recent death of a beloved animal as ammunition to try to upset me.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard is QUOTING YOUR CASE HISSSTORY of TRAINING YOUR DOGS to MURDER YOUR KAT by FORGETTING to PUT their SHOCK COLLARS on them when you got back from the vet after $1500.00 in surgery. you still call this guy amusing?

You wanna see amusing?: "we’ll keep the indoor boundary set up, and keep ***testing the dogs with it (hiding behind the railing and meowing usually does the trick)*** so that they’re familiar with the warning tone. Manu is already pretty sure he knows what it means, and whenever Lola trips it, he’ll bite her hind leg and pull her down the steps so the tone stops.  he’s such a big brother, always trying to keep sis out of trouble." And THEN (Drumroll please, Mr. Maestro…):                      Your Attention to center ring… "anyway,

No. Get it straight. You mean anyHOWE. "we had it installed outside today, and started the indoor part of training.  we decided to put the training fence on the stairway, since the cats like to hang out up there and the dogs aren’t allowed to go up."

"i dropped of Mo upstairs, as usual, and headed down to let the dogs out of their crates. for some reason i’ll never know,  *(EVERY WON KNOWS NHOWE.) *(forgetting to put their SHOCK COLLARS ON THEM) Mo followed me downstairs.  he never does this. and i didn’t hear him coming.  however, the dogs did. they ran to investigate, and found a strange smelling, bloody cat in their house. needless to say, they attacked him" Cause culprit aka kelly aka METTA FORGOT to put their shock collars back on after uncrating them and she DIDN’T TELL MO THEY WASN’T WEARIN THEIR SHOCK COLLARS.  i call him frightening.

Naaah. Leavin you runnin loose is frightenin. -kelly

HOWEDY People,

she’s darling.

INDEEDY. Like HOWE culprit aka kelly aka metta’s $7,000.00 DEAD kat WAS.  the pups wish her a speedy recovery.

The PUPS would MURDER her just like HOWE YOU TRAINED THEM to MURDER YOUR OWN DEAD KAT. since i can’t have cats for a while,

Cause you trained your dogs to MURDER IT. i’d like to experience them vicariously,

A WIZE idea.  so please feel free to keep posting pix and stories!

INDEEDY. LikeWIZE, The Amazing Puppy Wizard will keep posting YOUR CASE HISTORY to IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT you and your pals as the lying animal abusng mental cases you are. Here’s the IN-complete story (short version) of HOWE culprit aka kelly aka metta (metta is culprit aka kelly’s aka on the MENTAL PERSONS news groups) TRAINED HER DOGS to MURDER HER DEAD KAT: -kelly

while walking backwards

Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what it felt like to me when I got shocked by Hope’s collar. It felt like a bomb going off in my hand and forearm.

there are different brands of fences, and each one has a variety of settings, set to the dog’s specific reaction.  Lola’s collar is set to give more juice than Manu’s, because she’s more likely to ignore the buzz, whereas Manu wants nothing to do with it.  i have no idea what brand or setting Hope’s collar was set at. there’s also the fact that Hope has lots of thick fur and a good fat layer (to keep her warm in the water) and my dogs are scrawny and nekkid. so maybe Hope needs a higher setting to work for her.  it’s really hard to say without comparing the collars directly. and you’re right, if Lola really wants out of the yard, she’ll run through the fence.  the annoyance doesn’t keep her in, which is why she’s always supervised outdoors. Manu, OTOH, is happy to stay as far from the fence as he can.  what can i say, he’s part eevil pit bull and part fraidy cat. -kelly after having the appraisal for the real fencing coming out at over $11,000, we decided to put up an invisible fence, just until we can save some cash for the real one.  after we put up the real fence, the invisible one will probably remain as a "fail safe" to keep the dogs off the real fence. yes, i’m aware of most of the cons, i’ve always been against them myself, until i talked to a lot of people who have them, and had the invisible fence trainer come out to meet the dogs. i’ll only be letting them out when i’m home and can keep a direct eye on them, and we’ve discussed it with all of the neighbors, and they’ve committed to containing their dogs, so they won’t come into my yard unless invited. anyway, we had it installed outside today, and started the indoor part of training.  we decided to put the training fence on the stairway, since the cats like to hang out up there and the dogs aren’t allowed to go up. we put up a baby gate just past the invisible barrier, so that they can’t go through it, even if they want to. i tried the collar on myself before we let the dogs try it, and while it is uncomfortable, it’s not painful, and i’m comfortable with the dogs wearing it. we thought Manu would require a higher setting than Lola, because she’s pretty sensitive to correction, and he is a big meathead who doesn’t feel a thing.  this played out with the first part of training, with Lola turning around and leaving the steps at the first buzz, and Manu just standing there, wagging his tail, like he didn’t feel a thing. we upped the setting three more times before Manu "got it", and then he immediately turned around and didn’t go up the steps at all after that. the weird thing is that Lola, who was clearly bothered by the experience, kept trying to go up to get the cat’s area anyway. this confirmed something i had suspected. Lola may be more sensitive to correction, but she also has more "drive", and will put up with something she dislikes longer than Manu will. Lola sat on the steps, cycling through the collar’s three 10 second failsafe cycles,  then tried to climb over the baby gate as though nothing had happened. we decided to up the correction one setting, with the theory that she’d find it so unpleasant it would stop her from climbing the steps, then we’d turn it back down once she realized she shouldn’t be up there. unfortunately, she never did realize it, so we had to leave it on the higher setting. so hers is set lower than Manu’s, but she reacts a lot more strongly to it (scratching at her neck, etc) than he does. we’ll keep the indoor boundary set up, and keep testing the dogs with it (hiding behind the railing and meowing usually does the trick) so that they’re familiar with the warning tone. Manu is already pretty sure he knows what it means, and whenever Lola trips it, he’ll bite her hind leg and pull her down the steps so the tone stops.  he’s such a big brother, always trying to keep sis out of trouble. the outdoor training will begin later in the week, i’ll post updates once we get done with them. -kelly today Mo-kitty woke up in a large spot of blood. his wound had been bleeding all night.  i took him to the vet, who said that this was not abnormal, did some blood tests, and sent him home with me. since he’s not allowed to groom himself, he had quite a bit of blood on him, which i was going to clean up later. i dropped of Mo upstairs, as usual, and headed down to let the dogs out of their crates. for some reason i’ll never know, Mo followed me downstairs.  he never does this.  and i didn’t hear him coming.  however, the dogs did. they ran to … read more »

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HOWEDY diannes,

Every time now that we take our new puppy outside she likes to run over to the flower bed and start chewing on a piece of mulch.

ANY behavior that’s CONSISTENT REPEATABLE or PREDICTABLE is EZ to EXXXTINGUISH NEARLY INSTANTLY.  Why does she do this?

Could be lots or irrelevent reasons. The PROBLEM is she’s pickin up STUFF she shouldn’t have. THAT’S ALL we gotta know. What kind of mulch is this–?

That’s irrelevent on accHOWENT of she ain’t gonna DO that noMOORE.  If it’s cocoa hulls, she’s eating it because it smells good.

Lots of STUFF smells good.  But it’s TOXIC for dogs,

NO PROBLEMO. We got poisonHOWES plants and critters all over the place. It’s EZ to train your dogs not to eat poisonHOWES plants or toads or snakes or garbage or food from C-HOWENTERS or ANY thing.  so do keep her away from it

You CAN’T train a dog NOT to DO sumpthin if you AVOID it on accHOWENT of you don’t know HOWE to TRAIN the dog not to DO that. (i.e. use a leash

You mean force restraint to force the dog not to eat STUFF? HOWE will that train the dog NOT to EAT STUFF when IT ain’t ON LEASH gettin choked away from it?  until you can replace the mulch).

That’s INSANE. It only takes a couple minutes to TRAIN a dog not to EAT POISON. There’s also a disorder called pica

Pica is an Obsessive Compulsive Disorder causes by STRESS from REPRESSIVE or bribery trainin methods which INCREASE anxiHOWESNESS to dangerHOWES levels.  that causes dogs to eat inedible things.

No. The dog DOES the OCD behavior on accHOWENT of he’s STRESSED. You can CURE OCD’S NEARLY INSTANTLY if you know HOWE. I’ve had two friends

"Birds of a feather…," The puppy Wizard’s DADDY.  who’ve had dogs who had insatiable cravings for rocks,

Yeah. Chewin rocks would SCARE an ETHICKAL BREEDER on accHOWENT of it could RUIN a dog’s show and breeding career.  and it was a very very difficult problem to deal with.

Right. On accHOWENT of your PALS jerked and choked and stole the foribdden object from the dog and threw it HOWETA sight instead of simply breaking the dog of picking it up and leavin it where it was and leavin the dog to learn HOWE to DEAL with the distraction. Don’t know if mulch can trigger this disorder, though.

No. Mulch cannot punish and intimdiate a dog. Unless he swallows it. Then it may kill him. But that’s O.K., ethickal breeders will put you back on the list and ethickal vets will sign your new puppy up for his puppy shot and worming series. If she seems unduly obsessed with getting to it,

THAT’S the NATURE of an OCD. Ain’t it.  I would check with your vet.

The vet don’t know HOWE to POISON PROOF your dog. That’d be competetive with their surgical approach to dogs swallowing STUFF. However, it’s most likely that Leah is correct:

leah is a lying dog abusing punk thug coward and active long term incurable mental case, like yourself.  puppies do pick up everything in their mouths,

Not if you TRAIN them NOT to. But you don’t know HOWE.  and it just may feel good in her mouth and/or be fun to play with.

Yeah. Like poo or dead critters or your shoes or filthy undies like janet boss had EXXXTRACTED from her dog for the same same same same reason.  If you make yourself more fun to play with than the mulch is, the problem should go away.

Yeah. IN A PIG’S HEINIE. What’s gonna make it GO AWAY? You think he’s gonna FORGET sumpthin he LOVES to do? Soon as he gets a chance he’ll be back on it and as soon as you CORRECT the pup for trying to chew a piece and you’re back to the startin gate. Dianne

You got NO METHOD to TRAIN a dog not to eat garbage poison or other innocent critters. <<Recent posts have me wondering, do any people, or theorists that you know, do things other than "time out" when a child engages in a behavior that is clearly wrong?

Let’s forget abHOWET "clearly wrong," as that will put you at odds with the child or dog, who may or may not understand your values. Yes, for younger children it’s called spanking.

The OBJECTIVE is not to HURT, but to TEACH. Spanking and scolding and otherWIZE teaching a child or dog to FEAR an abusive bully only teaches animHOWEsity and fear, which fosters lying and sneakiness. Would your kids have run up the phone bill if you was standing there threatening them??? Of curse not! That’s HOWE COME forcing control NEVER WORKS, unless you’re gonna stand there FOREVER  and FORCE CONTROL. You can’t do that when the kid or dog gets big enough to jump the fence or otherWIZE, escape your control. For older children it can involve grounding,

The Puppy Wizard was NEVER grHOWENDED as a child. the revokation of privileges,

The Puppy Wizard LAUGHS at punishment. or the temporary confiscation of personal belongings (what good does it do to punish a kid by sending him to his room if all his stuff is in there?)

Yeah. Punishment DOES NOT WORK, it only teaches ANTI SOCIAL and CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR. Well I guess it depends on what you want to achieve.

Parents and dog owners who PUNISH have only their own FEELINGS to protetct, they’re unaware of the HARM they cause their charges and society when they ESCAPE FORCED CONTROL. If you want to acheive mindless cessation of the offending behavior, these techniques will work,

NO. That’s an ILLUSION. The behaviors RESUME soon as the PUNISHER is unavailable to PUNISH the undesirable behaviors. Each LAPS in CONTROL where the victim achieves his goals, is called VARIABLE REINFORCEMENT, in behaviorISM lingo. Any dog trainer will tell you variable reinforcement is like pullin the arm of a slot machine, to a gambler. FORCE TRAINING DOES NOT WORK, not withHOWET GUARANTEED 10% FAILURE, or MOORE. in the short term.

Right. Force trainers are only concerned with the moment, cause they do not possess the intellect to HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog or child.  If you want to raise a child who is capable of using judgement to determine right from wrong for herself, then this is the wrong way to go.

INDEEDY. I would disagree.

Is that so? As somone who has been there, I would suggest that one can in fact "discipline" a child through confiscation and groundings

To teach fair mindedness, trust, and respect?  and still allow that child to determine right from wrong.

FORGET RIGHT or WRONG. Dogs and children do not know right from wrong, that’s YOUR VALUES you TEACH through DEMONSTRATED SELF DISCIPLINE. PUNISHING is WRONG. For one thing, even if a child knows that something is "right" doesn’t mean that the child will "do the right thing"  all the time.

Well, that’s YOUR EXPERIENCE because YOU FORCE CONTROL through punishment and intimidation which INCREASES ANXIETY and like the slot machine, VARIABLY REINFORCES the inapupriate behaviors when the CONTROLLER is not there to REINFORCE the behaviors which have been REPRESSED… REPRESSING BEHAVIORS only causes then to CHANGE, to OTHER, SEEMINGLY NON RELATED behaviors as anxiety relief mechanisms. And for another thing, not all issues are "right" and  "wrong" kind of sitatuions.

As a parent or dog owner, there are no grey areas to RIGHT or WRONG. Punishing IS WON of those WRONG situation which are WRONG ALL THE TIME. You cannot teach VALUE JUDGEMENTS through FEAR. And some "whys" and rights and wrongs are varied by family and too dificult for child to undersand.

So, you’ll TRY HARDER to FORCE values and judgement through INTIMIDATION, FORCE, RESTRAINT, and DENIAL? When I make an absolute statement saying "We dont throw toys in the house" or "We don’t bounce on the furniture" or whaver, of course eventually I want the child to understand the motivation and my reasoning, and I reinforce these regularly.

BWEAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Tellin the child or dog "NO!" for unacceptable behaviors teaches them HOWE to FORCE CONTROL over YOU. Any time the child or dog can stop you dead in your tracks to address their inapupriate behaviors REINFORCES THEIR POWER over you and DEFEATS YOUR PUPORSE.  Hopefully this is a two pronged attack.

Perhaps if you chose NOT to ATTACK your kids they wouldn’t run up tHOWEsand dollar phone bills, KNOWING FULL WELL, they’d GET CAUGHT AND PUNISED accordingly? EVER THINK OF THAT??? YOUR METHOD FAILED MISERABLY, yet you will DIE DEFENDING IT, cause if YOU are DEAD WRONG, your HUMAN NATURE will NOT allHOWE YOU to ADMIT IT, and your CONSCIENCE will HIDE from scrutiny. That’s HOWE COME the KILLFILE The Puppy Wizard campaignes. Of course since my youngest is now in high school, the wrongs and rights and thinking for oneself become more interested.  They also become more interesting.

Yeah… Looks like you done REAL GOOD! Barb (who owns a playstation, a headphonne set, and numberous other items until a thousand dollar phone bill is paid off)

When you’re done strip dHOWEN searchin your kids for STUFF and locking them in their bare rooms, SOCIETY will be REQUIRED to REINFORCE YOUR TRAINING, in the PRISON SYSTEM… The son of a slave, is a slave. I went looking for ways to express what I mean. This quote illustrates what I mean: "it helps us to open the lines of comunication with our kids, and motivate them to want to do the right thing- not just worry about ‘getting caught.’ "

INDEEDY. As taught in your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual. about this book

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Alan…. the step counter measures every OTHER step double you figures to get the #’s hope this helps —

Not really – they wouldn’t send me one for some reason. Something about my postcode not working correctly in their computer. I don’t think yours would work too well in it either:-) Looks like I’ll have to buy some Coco-Pops (rice bubbles with a sugar and chocolate coating) to get a free one out here; I reckon I’ll need to walk to Brisbane and back to work off a bowl of those. It would be hard to imagine a food with a higher GI; although I’m sure the food-chemists will dream one up. Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to email. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.

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I pass this on for the UK people, gleaned from "descartesmum" on a different forum: Walkers crisps are giving away 1 million free pedometers. To get yours go to http://walkers.corpex.com/cr15p5/index.htm

Thanks, Alan – ordered one so I get to keep my own one on, whilst the kids nick the new one : ) I suspect they’re getting low, they’re quoting a 28-day delivery… Nicky.

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i should use the MIL’s postal code…. but then, will she remember where she puts it???? :-) or ME for all that matters?????? i got a free step counter from LifeScan for filling out some survey they sent out…. i was more than pleased to be of assistance to them :-) gotta love free does McD’s still have the step counter with the salad deal for you? kate — Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Alan…. the step counter measures every OTHER step double you figures to get the #’s hope this helps — Not really – they wouldn’t send me one for some reason. Something about my postcode not working correctly in their computer. I don’t think yours would work too well in it either:-) Looks like I’ll have to buy some Coco-Pops (rice bubbles with a sugar and chocolate coating) to get a free one out here; I reckon I’ll need to walk to Brisbane and back to work off a bowl of those. It would be hard to imagine a food with a higher GI; although I’m sure the food-chemists will dream one up. Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to email. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.

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May ?  ;) — — Fester T1 – 28u Lantus and as much Novorapid as the meter says. Dx 1993, Hba1c 6.1%. Cholesterol 3.9

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *snigger* You :P Or are you daft as well as diabetic I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that it may incriminate me. :^) Nicky.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I used to do that, before I discovered pedometers – but it has two disadvantages; people look at you funny when you go around muttering "5001…5002…5003" – and I can’t stop! I get compulsive about it. I’ll count anything – breaths; raindrops; ceiling tiles – aaargh! Nicky. Is your surname Monk? Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Monk??? [Monk + Nic - ky = monky] Not that way:-) As in Adrian Monk, from a US TV detective series of an obsessive-compulsive detective. He has this thing about neatness, numbers, perfection etc.

Um, that would be no : )  I’m a terminally messy scruff-bag who uses an archaeological filing system, I’ve no idea why counting is so difficult to stop! Nicky.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Personnaly – I prefer to count my paces. I used to do that, before I discovered pedometers – but it has two disadvantages; people look at you funny when you go around muttering "5001…5002…5003" – and I can’t stop! I get compulsive about it. I’ll count anything – breaths; raindrops; ceiling tiles – aaargh! Nicky. Is your surname Monk?

Being a greedy Basket I have applied for 2 pedometers my neighbor will get (i hope ) a package addressed to the wife. We walk seperately she walks dogs I walk fast ( faster than her at any rate) But further ? that remains to be seen (pedometer distance championships will soon commence). where countings concerned i count how many paces a minute. Do this four or five times on a walk uphill,downhill and on the flat etc. by calculating the average i am then able to not only work out how many paces i am dong but also how far i have walked using the one known hard fact *Time* , having carried out the same over a measured course. Anyone actually recieved one of these pedometers yet ??? — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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I used to do that, before I discovered pedometers – but it has two disadvantages; people look at you funny when you go around muttering "5001…5002…5003" – and I can’t stop! I get compulsive about it. I’ll count anything – breaths; raindrops; ceiling tiles – aaargh! Nicky. Is your surname Monk? Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Monk??? [Monk + Nic - ky = monky]

Not that way:-) As in Adrian Monk, from a US TV detective series of an obsessive-compulsive detective. He has this thing about neatness, numbers, perfection etc. Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to email. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.

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*snigger* You :P Or are you daft as well as diabetic

I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that it may incriminate me. :^) Nicky.

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Personnaly – I prefer to count my paces. I used to do that, before I discovered pedometers – but it has two disadvantages; people look at you funny when you go around muttering "5001…5002…5003" – and I can’t stop! I get compulsive about it. I’ll count anything – breaths; raindrops; ceiling tiles – aaargh! Nicky.

Is your surname Monk? Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to email. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.

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*snigger* You :P Or are you daft as well as diabetic — — Fester T1 – 28u Lantus and as much Novorapid as the meter says. Dx 1993, Hba1c 6.1%. Cholesterol 3.9

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You compulsive counter you – FREEEEEEK!!!!! 133 messages unread…132…Oy! Who are you calling a FREEEEEEEK! <raspberry Nicky.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Alan…. the step counter measures every OTHER step double you figures to get the #’s hope this helps — Not really – they wouldn’t send me one for some reason. Something about my postcode not working correctly in their computer. I don’t think yours would work too well in it either:-) Looks like I’ll have to buy some Coco-Pops (rice bubbles with a sugar and chocolate coating) to get a free one out here; I reckon I’ll need to walk to Brisbane and back to work off a bowl of those. It would be hard to imagine a food with a higher GI; although I’m sure the food-chemists will dream one up. Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to email. If you want, I can order one at my dad’s address (you don’t even have to buy the product) and mail it to you – assuming it won’t get blown apart by bomb disposal at the airport

Hi Chris Thanks for the offer mate, but I think I’ll actually buy one; I get a bit back from the medical insurance on it. Thanks anyway – unexpected and appreciated. Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to email. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.

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gotta love free does McD’s still have the step counter with the salad deal for you? kate —

I heard about it but it must have been over by the time I last bought a cheese-and-tomato toasted sandwich there. Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs to email. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.

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Hmmmmmmm… Obsessive compulsive disorder leading to a psychotic break, culminating in full blown hebephrenic schizophrenia.

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Or else, unrequited love. Claude

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about a billion times… LORD VALVE LORD VALVE

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