Where's marybeth? Where's booby maida? Where's ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN?

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HOWEDY People! Where’s marybeth? Where’s booby maida? Where’s ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN? Where’s sindy SADIST mooreon? Where’s professor SCRUFF SHAKE? Where’s DOGMAN??? Where’s captain haggerty? Where’s ChadL? Where’s C. L? They wishin you a Healthy, Happy 2004? Or are they wishin you’d HURT your dogs someMOORE like they do? HOWE COME they’re hiding their shame?

Could be on accHOWENT of they’re NUTS: WORDS OF WISDOM from our own Lynn Kosmakos "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day. I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn more, while happily sharing pertinent information I have learned. But if I were ever to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other reader of this group would be rightfully outraged." "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn the right to participate in by observing the easily understood rules and contributing to in constructive ways." Lynn K. I THINK I’M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM "It wasn’t that meds didn’t work for her – she wouldn’t take them. I particularly remember a comment she made about scarey side effects of Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think I’m qualified to say that the very low risk of any side effect is far less frightening than the very real dangers of life without it." Lynn K. ROTATE YOUR MEDS! lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver: For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for a correction. - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar. Lynn K.

That’s INSANE. Ain’t it. lynn kosmakos (Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic, depression) will "put down a biter as fast as anyone" yet claims to be a saintly dog rescuer

SEE? TOLD YA SO! Here’s lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn’s PARTNER: "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep The Pressure Up," sindy "don’t let the dog SCREAM" mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ’s pages on k9 web. You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY??? "Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I’d Call It A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn’t HaveDone It If He Thought Solo Couldn’t Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie. You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER? "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens, But You’ll Get Over It."mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine." You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING is COURTEOUS? "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What does this mean?" Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude. "When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt directly into the dog’s mouth and walk away. The dog won’t be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior." You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR? –Mike Dufort author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines" You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck? I think you’ll find that most are quite willing to discuss not only their programs,

YOU HURT and KILL DOGS, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. but others in your area that would be suitable for you.

Know what? The OP would do better askin a MENTAL CASE off the street than relyin on you and you MENTALLY ILL LYIN DOG ABUSIN PUNK THUG COWARDS: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lynn K. "I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in one shelter.) But their ability to set their own schedules and duties causes a great deal of scheduling overhead. And it takes effort and thought to ensure that volunteers get the meaningful experience that they work for. Someone has to be responsible for that Volunteer Program, and it is best done by a non-volunteer." Lynn K. "I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition. Should I have refused to groom them? Or even more pertinent – I was one of the people who had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter." Lynn K.

"I’ll bet you don’t know a thing about me. I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted animals. This however has nothing at all to do with responsible breeders, because responsible breeders don’t contribute to that problem," Mustang Sally. I’ll be you’ve never had to put down litters of beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe you’d be singing a different tune? "Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer for the trash company to come and dispose of. No different tune," ~Emily (replies to the list please)

INDEEDY. On accHOWENT of The Puppy Wizard don’t want noWON to miss the FREAK PARADE: Newsgroups: alt.support.depression a major bitch today -Sunny Newsgroups: alt.support.depression – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I mean, I haven’t cut since June. But am I a cutter or an ex-cutter now? And how long before I am an ex-cutter? anyone got any answers? I still get sort-of cutting urges, but I haven’t had ‘em very strongly.Just sort of vague thoughts in my head. But I think that’s going to happen forever. Kind of like alcoholics who recover. I know that the urge will come back at times of stress, but I don’t have to do it. so, when am I an ex-cutter?

Its been about 9 months since I last cut. I consider myself a recovering self injurer. I still get the urge at times. And like an alcoholic, i could easily slide. So, Im proud of me for being in recovery from cutting…. And I’m proud of you Laz for being in recovery and Im proud of everyone else resisting the temptation. Love, hope and caring to yall all -Sunny Newsgroups: alt.support.depression you pick at scabs and watch them bleed… you pick at hangnails and make them bleed… you pick at calluses on your feet until they bleed…. you poke blisters making them bleed….

I dont know. I wonder myself. I do the same thing. Im a self injurer and an obsessive compulsive. I always thought it was picking from my OCD. -Sunny Newsgroups: alt.support.depression – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – important needed cared about loved wanted -Sunny You are all those things, Sunny…& more. But I’ll give you a few more cyberhugs, anyway… Mary

Thanks. That was a really bad day when I wrote it. Much better now. Thanks Sunny who should do something about her PMS RPD* MeNTally Ill All_StaRz as of 12/21/03 NEW!! LYNN K. 20 plus years on Lithium LOIS E. 25 plus years on tricyclics Hello Fans, here is our latest NEW AND IMPROVED crazy person update, including our latest mentally unstable person, Lois E. of Gary and Lois fame who has been on Tricyclics pushing 25 years. She is no longer afraid to talk about it. Neither is Lynn K. who embraces her mental illness and opens up about her 20 plus years on Lithium, as well as her love afair with Zoloft. MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! RPD* Ment_ally Ill All_StaRz as of 12/21/03 I TOO HAVE A BIPOLAR MOOD DISORDER (MANIC DEPRESSION) I ALSO CARE ABOUT DOGS COMMUNITY IS AN EVOLUTIONARY THING WORDS OF WISDOM from our own Lynn Kosmakos : : Sheesh, if everyone would start taking responsibility : for their own actions, wouldn’t life be grand? "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day. I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn more, while happily sharing pertinent information I have learned. But if I were ever to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other reader of this group would be rightfully outraged." "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn the right to participate in by observing the easily understood rules and contributing to in constructive ways." Lynn K. I THINK I’M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIM LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar conversation on Mental problems. LYNN AND LOIS Almost 50 years on mental illness medications combined – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But I think what Lois was referring to

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HOWEDY People! Where’s marybeth? Where’s booby maida? Where’s ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN? Where’s sindy SADIST mooreon? Where’s professor SCRUFF SHAKE? Where’s DOGMAN??? Where’s captain haggerty? Where’s ChadL? Where’s C. L? They wishin you a Healthy, Happy 2004? Or are they wishin you’d HURT your dogs someMOORE like they do? HOWE COME they’re hiding their shame? Jerome Bigge writes: I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we want to do. And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion! This is what’s called, a liar and dog abuser: And neither does anyone else, Jerome. No matter what Jerry Howe states. lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver: For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for a correction. - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar. Lynn K.

That’s INSANE. Ain’t it. So’s this, here’s YOU, professor SCRUFF SHAKE: "At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function. But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases then you will have achieved too things. First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased; and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher. How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted biting. When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild forms of punishment (I would hold my dog’s mouth closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above). "No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog" to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works." That’s HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard’s SYNDROME. "Just Want To Second Jerry’s Method For Dealing With This (Destructive Separation Anxiety). I’ve Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It’s Worked ‘EVERY TIME The Very First Time’ – marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience. You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard’s Surrogate Toy Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)? Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar? You’re scary Marilyn. Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual. I feel very sorry for her and her family. "His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry. Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce, Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience. BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt, please provide a quote (an original quote, not from one of Jerry Howe’s heavily edited diatribes) that shows a regular poster promoting or using an abusive form of training. BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog. lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver: For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for a correction. - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar. Lynn K.

That’s INSANE. Ain’t it. "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep The Pressure Up," sindy "don’t let the dog SCREAM" mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ’s pages on k9 web. You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY??? "Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I’d Call It A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn’t HaveDone It If He Thought Solo Couldn’t Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie. You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER? "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens, But You’ll Get Over It."mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine." You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING is COURTEOUS? "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What does this mean?" Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude. "When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt directly into the dog’s mouth and walk away. The dog won’t be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior." You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR? –Mike Dufort author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines" You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck? Yeah. When I preload my dog’s mouth with bitter apple, suppose I don’t get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey? Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can’t HURT it? "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab’s Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side, Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sionnach. Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch… "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." "Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder, expert trainer, discoverer of cannibalism in Labradors. You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT? "Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl, discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors. Perhaps the mom dog didn’t want her babies HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS? "John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the rump with a training stick while holding him partially off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back to the line and cast him back to the dummies." The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE. We’re gonna teach folks THAT AIN’T NORMAL… "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." Sez on our FAQ’S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like a raped ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the heel of your palm.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I ENJOYED reading your book, and AGREED with what you had to say. I find it sick to hear what people do with their dogs. Keep in mind that everything he says that the regular posters of this ng do to their dogs are lies. All of it. Every last bit. All of it? Ear pinching? Shock collars? Spiked chokers? The regulars lie more in their denials than Howe does in his accusing of them. : Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything? : Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself would see denials when everyone has Jerry killfiled and therefore don’t even read his posts, let alone respond to them.

Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: When you compare using sound and praise to solve a problem with using shock collars, hanging, and punishment how can you criticize the use of sound? There’s nothing more to be said, then. You’ve made up your mind. But you’ve impressed me by mentioning that you’re a professor with 30 years of experience. So, can you cite some examples of people recommending "shock collars, hanging, and punishment"? BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog. You think matty’s playin with a full goddamned deck? matty’s NOT a liar and dog abuser. He’s a MENTAL CASE. Isn’t that true, Marilyn? Of course not, but THIS IS: "Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean slap," professora gingold.

Di, I don’t believe you mentioned a particular kind of training. If you are interested in training retrieval behavior than do consider our own Amy Dahl’s: The 10-Minute Retriever : How