OCD TREATMENT

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I’m having OCD myself and have spent thousands of hours surfing the net for treatment. Currently I’m taking DRUG THERAPY – MEDICATION generic prozac (80mg) – SSRI clonazepam (2mg) – as an augmentation agent for prozac trazodone (25 mg) – for sleep (take 1 hour before sleep) NATURAL THERAPY – MINERALS AND VITAMINS – IMPORTANT 1 Calcium (1000mg – 1600 mg) 2 Magnesium (temper may indicate a magnesium deficiency). Magnesium helps in calcium absorption (400-800mg) 3 vitamin D (can be taken as a supplement or obtained from the sun to help calcium absorption) 4 zinc (calming agent) (15 mg) 5 B vitamins (calming agent except folic acid-which worsens OCD) – take MORE of B6 and NIACINAMIDE (NOT niacin) (10-100mg) 6 Vitamin C with bioflavonoids (1500-2000mg, either esther C, time released etc) – OCD people are mostly high-histamine people. Vitamin C reduce the histamine levels. 7 High Concentration fish oils with EPA+DHA /w vitamin E (about 2000-3000mg of EPA+DHA). This is the weight of the EPA+DHA, not the capsules themselves. The EPA+DHA smooths out the neurotransmission in the nerves. 8 potassium (2 bananas a day) *Do not take the minerals with fish oils. They interfere with the absorption. *Take the B vitamins (without folic acid) with the minerals. B vitamins depletes the minerals and need mineral replacement. *Take these togther with meals. Avoid folic acid, copper, choline and take a low sodium diet. Avoid junk foods such as burgers, soft drinks, caffeine EXERCISE THERAPY Engage in non-competitive relaxing exercises and sports 2-3 times a week. eg. swimming releases endorphines that is good for you. SLEEP Get plenty of sleep and rest (otherwise your brain cannot make neurotransmitters) PRAYERS Give plenty of prayers (if you are spiritual) CBT (Cognitive Behavior Treatment) CBT can be very helpful in reducing the symptoms and sufferings significantly. One is called response and prevention. Expose the patient to an ‘OCD trigger’ but prevent her from performing the obsessions and rituals. The anxiety will rise significantly but WAIT for it to pass. Gradually, the patient will adapt to this new habit and the brain will reprogramme itself. The treatment can be painful but there’s light at the end of the tunnel. OCD is a long term sickness that requires a cocktail treatment. Keep me updated. Regards, freedom. PLs reply to alpha…@singnet.com.sg

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J wrote:

 > OCD is a long term sickness that requires a cocktail treatment. Indeed. I take a couple of gin and tonics in the evening, before bed. — ARQ Add a dot on each side of the ‘r’ in my name and a ‘c’ in front of lara to email me.

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> Indeed. I take a couple of gin and tonics in the evening, before bed.

LOL I hear that…………

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ananke, self help group for ocd`rs

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I think ananke is taken from the old name for ocd:  "anakastic neurosis". Ananke is a self help group for non proffesionals, there are no pdocs, psycologists therapists precent at all, eccept maybe sometimes. Basically just lay-people with ocd or relatives of people with ocd. I live in Norway, but I know ananke is active in several european contries. Atleast in Sweden. I think its active in other contries as well.

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"anankastic neurosis" was the proper way of typing it.

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yuckfou wrote:

 > I think ananke is taken from the old name for ocd:  "anakastic  > neurosis". Ananke is a self help group for non proffesionals,  > there are no pdocs, psycologists therapists precent at all, eccept  > maybe sometimes. Basically just lay-people with ocd or relatives  > of people with ocd. I live in Norway, but I know ananke is  > active in several european contries. Atleast in Sweden. I think  > its active in other contries as well. Thanks for that yuckfou.

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yuckfou wrote:

 > Anyone else got any experience with ananke or similar organisations? I’ve been to a ‘real life’ support group which was facilitated by a psychiatrist. It was *very* good to meet others with OCD and talk but I did not get on well with the shrink. She was not into the cognitive aspects of OCD treatment that I think are essential for real progress. She was very much just ‘exposure and response prevention’, which is very important in the treatment of OCD but it doesn’t help people challenge the WAY they think about fears in the first place. So after a few ‘discussions’ with her I left the group and found a therapist who was much more into cognition and better suited from me. I still kept in contact with a few people that I met from that group every once in a while. I have never heard of ‘ananke’. It doesn’t look English to me, what language is it and what does it mean?

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I was on an ananke meeting today. Its an organisation for those with ocd. Its like a self help group. It was weird for the first time to meet others with the same illness. Its rare to bee in a room with 12 people who have the same issues. Kind of funny lots of humor and quite a relief to talk out in the open with non proffecionals. Only backdraw was that most were washers, and Im not one other guy had harm ocd though. I recognised so much from way back when I myself were a washer. Anyone else got any experience with ananke or similar organisations?

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moodiness

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Not terribly sure anymore what she thought. I think she thinks it’s simple high anxiety manifesting asx "Buyer’s Remorse" "Ann R Quay" <ann.r.q…@virgin.net> wrote in message news:3E476F95.3040706@virgin.net… > kay wrote: >  > Basically, I’m just trying to stop the feelings by trying to not think >  > about them too much. Sometimes Im not even sure it is OCD. > What does your psychologist think?

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And when I feel the bad mood pass, I think to myself "I have a girlfriend and her name is Cathy." and I smile to myself. "|_ /- | ||" <l…@hell.com> wrote in message news:lPB1a.67$rU5.2501@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I think that the best thing is to realise that it is irrational and not give > it much thought and that it will probably always be coming and going, so > when it happens do not think that it is indicating anything, it comes and it > goes, enjoy the highs / normality and don’t panic on the lows. > — > Lain > – lain is like a brilliant drunk blathering on about this and that but never > really tieing everything they say into an intelligible thought – > http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=Lain&type=1 > "kay" <kaydozh…@earthlink.nets> wrote in message > news:CfA1a.7989$tO2.779973@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… > > And because it might not be OCD, I feel like maybe I should just let her > go > > and not drag her though this anymore and end this conflict in myself. Just > > so strange to be in love and now only feel it when my mind is clear. The > > other night on the sofa was so wonderful. I dont know what to do. > > "|_ /- | ||" <l…@hell.com> wrote in message > > news:W_41a.231$574.9908@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… > > > I dont really have any remedies to offer you, but I HAVE FELT THAT WAY > > LOTS > > > OF TIMES AND IT SUCKS. So now you know that you are not alone & I now > know > > > that I am not alone, but we still suffer all the same… > > > Lain > > > "kay" <kaydozh…@earthlink.nets> wrote in message > > > news:LkK0a.3518$tO2.402155@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… > > > > Hi, > > > > Just come to vent again. I finally get to feeling the way I want to > for > > a > > > > few hours only to have my problems try to manifest themselves again. I > > was > > > > so happy for hours today until the "new lover’s syndrome" as my > coworker > > > > calls it tried to come back and threatens to now. I was thankful to > God > > > that > > > > it went away, but when I thanked Him, I began having more spikes and > now > > > it > > > > feels like my damn problem might come back, so Im working of stopping > > it. > > > It > > > > felt good to be clear headed again and I still am, but feel a ting of > > > > anxiety on the edges. > > > > ARRGGHHH !!!!! > > > > K > > > > — > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 – Release Date: 1/21/2003 > > — > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 – Release Date: 1/21/2003

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"kay" <kaydozh…@earthlink.nets> wrote in message

news:CfA1a.7989$tO2.779973@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… > And because it might not be OCD, I feel like maybe I should just let her go > and not drag her though this anymore and end this conflict in myself. Just > so strange to be in love and now only feel it when my mind is clear. The > other night on the sofa was so wonderful. I dont know what to do.

Send me a transcript of the other night, and I’ll give you my considered opinion Zorg

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"Zorg" <z…@furryworm.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:b26q3q$mlm$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "kay" <kaydozh…@earthlink.nets> wrote in message > news:CfA1a.7989$tO2.779973@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… > > And because it might not be OCD, I feel like maybe I should just let her > go > > and not drag her though this anymore and end this conflict in myself. Just > > so strange to be in love and now only feel it when my mind is clear. The > > other night on the sofa was so wonderful. I dont know what to do. > Send me a transcript of the other night, and I’ll give you my considered > opinion > Zorg

ROFL! Lain

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LOL we already revealed to much to our online friends — we’ve become a very sexy and turbulant soap opera lol "Zorg" <z…@furryworm.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:b26q3q$mlm$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "kay" <kaydozh…@earthlink.nets> wrote in message > news:CfA1a.7989$tO2.779973@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… > > And because it might not be OCD, I feel like maybe I should just let her > go > > and not drag her though this anymore and end this conflict in myself. Just > > so strange to be in love and now only feel it when my mind is clear. The > > other night on the sofa was so wonderful. I dont know what to do. > Send me a transcript of the other night, and I’ll give you my considered > opinion > Zorg

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kay wrote:

 > Basically, I’m just trying to stop the feelings by trying to not think  > about them too much. Sometimes Im not even sure it is OCD. What does your psychologist think?

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I think that the best thing is to realise that it is irrational and not give it much thought and that it will probably always be coming and going, so when it happens do not think that it is indicating anything, it comes and it goes, enjoy the highs / normality and don’t panic on the lows. — Lain – lain is like a brilliant drunk blathering on about this and that but never really tieing everything they say into an intelligible thought – http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=Lain&type=1 "kay" <kaydozh…@earthlink.nets> wrote in message

news:CfA1a.7989$tO2.779973@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And because it might not be OCD, I feel like maybe I should just let her go > and not drag her though this anymore and end this conflict in myself. Just > so strange to be in love and now only feel it when my mind is clear. The > other night on the sofa was so wonderful. I dont know what to do. > "|_ /- | ||" <l…@hell.com> wrote in message > news:W_41a.231$574.9908@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… > > I dont really have any remedies to offer you, but I HAVE FELT THAT WAY > LOTS > > OF TIMES AND IT SUCKS. So now you know that you are not alone & I now know > > that I am not alone, but we still suffer all the same… > > Lain > > "kay" <kaydozh…@earthlink.nets> wrote in message > > news:LkK0a.3518$tO2.402155@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… > > > Hi, > > > Just come to vent again. I finally get to feeling the way I want to for > a > > > few hours only to have my problems try to manifest themselves again. I > was > > > so happy for hours today until the "new lover’s syndrome" as my coworker > > > calls it tried to come back and threatens to now. I was thankful to God > > that > > > it went away, but when I thanked Him, I began having more spikes and now > > it > > > feels like my damn problem might come back, so Im working of stopping > it. > > It > > > felt good to be clear headed again and I still am, but feel a ting of > > > anxiety on the edges. > > > ARRGGHHH !!!!! > > > K > > > — > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 – Release Date: 1/21/2003 > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 – Release Date: 1/21/2003

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On Sun, 09 Feb 2003 21:31:01 GMT, "kay" <kaydozh…@earthlink.nets> wrote: >And I think lot about what some people say might be a case of "Buyer’s >Regret" or "New Lover’s Syndrome." I just dont want Cathy and I to end, but >I feel myself being pulled toward it. Haven’t been this miserable in a long >time.

Can someone please explain what "buyer’s regret/remorse" is?  Sounds like something I experience, but I have to know what it is first.

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"Insane Dude" <insaned…@no.spam.com> wrote in message

news:3e46d801.59266785@news.md.comcast.giganews.com… > On Sun, 09 Feb 2003 21:31:01 GMT, "kay" <kaydozh…@earthlink.nets> > wrote: > >And I think lot about what some people say might be a case of "Buyer’s > >Regret" or "New Lover’s Syndrome." I just dont want Cathy and I to end, but > >I feel myself being pulled toward it. Haven’t been this miserable in a long > >time. > Can someone please explain what "buyer’s regret/remorse" is?  Sounds > like something I experience, but I have to know what it is first.

I’spose its like when you choose between two different coloured cars and after you brought the Red one, you will be left feeling that maybee the Blue one would be better. The grass is Greener on the other side… But with people, there are feelings involved, thats why its much more terryfing / intense. Lain

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And because it might not be OCD, I feel like maybe I should just let her go and not drag her though this anymore and end this conflict in myself. Just so strange to be in love and now only feel it when my mind is clear. The other night on the sofa was so wonderful. I dont know what to do. "|_ /- | ||" <l…@hell.com> wrote in message news:W_41a.231$574.9908@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I dont really have any remedies to offer you, but I HAVE FELT THAT WAY LOTS > OF TIMES AND IT SUCKS. So now you know that you are not alone & I now know > that I am not alone, but we still suffer all the same… > Lain > "kay" <kaydozh…@earthlink.nets> wrote in message > news:LkK0a.3518$tO2.402155@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… > > Hi, > > Just come to vent again. I finally get to feeling the way I want to for a > > few hours only to have my problems try to manifest themselves again. I was > > so happy for hours today until the "new lover’s syndrome" as my coworker > > calls it tried to come back and threatens to now. I was thankful to God > that > > it went away, but when I thanked Him, I began having more spikes and now > it > > feels like my damn problem might come back, so Im working of stopping it. > It > > felt good to be clear headed again and I still am, but feel a ting of > > anxiety on the edges. > > ARRGGHHH !!!!! > > K > > — > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 – Release Date: 1/21/2003

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Basically, I’m just trying to stop the feelings by trying to not think about them too much. Sometimes Im not even sure it is OCD. I’m just afraid I’ll end up in a pattern like Lain if I give in and end this relationship. I can see it happening. There really isn’t a reason to end it at all, save for these stupid feelings. "Ann R Quay" <ann.r.q…@virgin.net> wrote in message news:3E438670.80809@virgin.net… > kay wrote: >  > I began having more spikes and now it feels like my damn problem might >  > come back, so Im working of stopping it. > How are you doing that (’stopping it’)?

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And I think lot about what some people say might be a case of "Buyer’s Regret" or "New Lover’s Syndrome." I just dont want Cathy and I to end, but I feel myself being pulled toward it. Haven’t been this miserable in a long time. Ken "Ann R Quay" <ann.r.q…@virgin.net> wrote in message news:3E4607CE.5050402@virgin.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> |_ /-\ | |\| wrote: >  > I hope that u going somewhere with this Ann… > Where I go with it depends on the answer. I don’t think he’ll answer. > I’ve asked him a few other questions and never received a reply. > I suspect that Ken might be trying to control his obsessions with the > ‘thought stopping’ methods he mentioned earlier. If he is, he’s likely > going to find them ineffective and they may actually make his obsessions > far worse. If he does indeed have OCD and his therapy involves snapping > an elastic band on his wrist each time he has an ‘bad’ thought, I would > suggest to him finding a therapist who knows how to treat OCD. From what > he’s written I suspect his psychologist does not have this expertise. >  > Cos the feeling Kay describes really SUCKS! > I agree with you that OCD ‘really SUCKS’ and this is precisely why I > think getting *proper* OCD treatment is very important.

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|_ /-\ | |\| wrote:  > I hope that u going somewhere with this Ann… Where I go with it depends on the answer. I don’t think he’ll answer. I’ve asked him a few other questions and never received a reply. I suspect that Ken might be trying to control his obsessions with the ‘thought stopping’ methods he mentioned earlier. If he is, he’s likely going to find them ineffective and they may actually make his obsessions far worse. If he does indeed have OCD and his therapy involves snapping an elastic band on his wrist each time he has an ‘bad’ thought, I would suggest to him finding a therapist who knows how to treat OCD. From what he’s written I suspect his psychologist does not have this expertise.  > Cos the feeling Kay describes really SUCKS! I agree with you that OCD ‘really SUCKS’ and this is precisely why I think getting *proper* OCD treatment is very important.

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"Ann R Quay" <ann.r.q…@virgin.net> wrote in message news:3E438670.80809@virgin.net… > kay wrote: >  > I began having more spikes and now it feels like my damn problem might >  > come back, so Im working of stopping it. > How are you doing that (’stopping it’)?

I hope that u going somewhere with this Ann… Cos the feeling Kay describes really SUCKS! Lain

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Thanks, Lain. Great friend already and I thank you. Aye, I’ve talked to a number of men since this all began and 5 of them have all said that they have seen or experienced this same phenomena. The great thing is that, while I wake with this feeling still and feel it off and on during the day, the last couple of nights it’s completely subsided while Cathy and I talked on the phone. Last night was WONDERFUL just talking for 5 hours while each of us lay on our sofas at home watching TV. And Im talking with her tonight and all is going well, inspite of some hellacious spikes. These two night of total clarity have helped a great deal. She still smart, sexy, funny, and my best time to be with ever. I can’t wait for a lifetime of nights like last night and tonight. Ken "|_ /- | ||" <l…@hell.com> wrote in message news:W_41a.231$574.9908@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I dont really have any remedies to offer you, but I HAVE FELT THAT WAY LOTS > OF TIMES AND IT SUCKS. So now you know that you are not alone & I now know > that I am not alone, but we still suffer all the same… > Lain > "kay" <kaydozh…@earthlink.nets> wrote in message > news:LkK0a.3518$tO2.402155@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… > > Hi, > > Just come to vent again. I finally get to feeling the way I want to for a > > few hours only to have my problems try to manifest themselves again. I was > > so happy for hours today until the "new lover’s syndrome" as my coworker > > calls it tried to come back and threatens to now. I was thankful to God > that > > it went away, but when I thanked Him, I began having more spikes and now > it > > feels like my damn problem might come back, so Im working of stopping it. > It > > felt good to be clear headed again and I still am, but feel a ting of > > anxiety on the edges. > > ARRGGHHH !!!!! > > K > > — > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 – Release Date: 1/21/2003

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kay wrote:

 > I began having more spikes and now it feels like my damn problem might  > come back, so Im working of stopping it. How are you doing that (’stopping it’)?

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I dont really have any remedies to offer you, but I HAVE FELT THAT WAY LOTS OF TIMES AND IT SUCKS. So now you know that you are not alone & I now know that I am not alone, but we still suffer all the same… Lain "kay" <kaydozh…@earthlink.nets> wrote in message

news:LkK0a.3518$tO2.402155@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > Just come to vent again. I finally get to feeling the way I want to for a > few hours only to have my problems try to manifest themselves again. I was > so happy for hours today until the "new lover’s syndrome" as my coworker > calls it tried to come back and threatens to now. I was thankful to God that > it went away, but when I thanked Him, I began having more spikes and now it > feels like my damn problem might come back, so Im working of stopping it. It > felt good to be clear headed again and I still am, but feel a ting of > anxiety on the edges. > ARRGGHHH !!!!! > K > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 – Release Date: 1/21/2003

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Hi, Just come to vent again. I finally get to feeling the way I want to for a few hours only to have my problems try to manifest themselves again. I was so happy for hours today until the "new lover’s syndrome" as my coworker calls it tried to come back and threatens to now. I was thankful to God that it went away, but when I thanked Him, I began having more spikes and now it feels like my damn problem might come back, so Im working of stopping it. It felt good to be clear headed again and I still am, but feel a ting of anxiety on the edges. ARRGGHHH !!!!! K — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 – Release Date: 1/21/2003

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To Woodmere79 (Not a flame!)

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ichy…@aol.com (Ichydog) wrote in message <news:20020426214259.00401.00006652@mb-mj.aol.com>… > My impression of Justin is that besides the ocd, he is wildly neurotic.   That > is with a W. > I think his family situation is a mess.  Having ocd treatment linked to his > family (financially) means he won’t get well. > Makes me glad to have no family to fuck with my head. > Lisa

I don’t know anything about his family situation, except some vague things he mentioned a while back. Definitely not enough to make a judgement of them. Heck, even my impression of Justin could be wrong because all I know of him is what has been said on this newsgroup. As for "neurotic" I’m not really sure what that is supposed to mean. I’ve heard it used too many ways in the past. I haven’t seen anything that suggests he’s dealing with more than OCD and some self-defeating attitudes.

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INaFog5716 wrote: > Add me to your list.  Dr. said my OCD is "deep"; meds are the treatment for me. > Mary

Too many people with OCD are offered and accept a meds only treatment when expert concensus treatment guidelines emphasize the importance of CBT. People should ask themselves why that is. Some do, most do not.

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>Your not alone Will,Therapy never worked for me either.Its good to >talk things out but the only thing that has helped me is medication. >Joe

Add me to your list.  Dr. said my OCD is "deep"; meds are the treatment for me. Mary

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On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:45:33 GMT, "Will" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<willoughby_usnos…@yahoo.com> wrote: >I agree that he should seek more treatment maybe from another doctor or >something. I have OCD real BAD and with the right meds I can feel pretty >good most of the times. It took me a while to get to where I am now, and I >am not perfect, but I hope he can be doing a lot better than he is doing and >I hope he will get better soon. >I have had to deal with crappy docs and therapists, but they finally got me >on the right meds and dosage. Most of the changes that the docs made was >from honest input from me and they felt that I could be helped more with >adjustments in meds. Therapy for me just does not work or I haven’t been >given the tools to make therapy work for me. I wish there was a cure for all >of us. >Will

Your not alone Will,Therapy never worked for me either.Its good to talk things out but the only thing that has helped me is medication. Joe

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My impression of Justin is that besides the ocd, he is wildly neurotic.   That is with a W. I think his family situation is a mess.  Having ocd treatment linked to his family (financially) means he won’t get well. Makes me glad to have no family to fuck with my head. Lisa

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I agree that he should seek more treatment maybe from another doctor or something. I have OCD real BAD and with the right meds I can feel pretty good most of the times. It took me a while to get to where I am now, and I am not perfect, but I hope he can be doing a lot better than he is doing and I hope he will get better soon. I have had to deal with crappy docs and therapists, but they finally got me on the right meds and dosage. Most of the changes that the docs made was from honest input from me and they felt that I could be helped more with adjustments in meds. Therapy for me just does not work or I haven’t been given the tools to make therapy work for me. I wish there was a cure for all of us. Will

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inafog5…@aol.com (INaFog5716) wrote in message <news:20020425200805.02414.00005048@mb-fc.aol.com>… > >But it would be nice–really nice–if Justin could > >show some concern for others in the newsgroup. I just refuse to > >believe he’s as helpless as he makes himself sound, and that he has > >nothing to offer other people. > There’s no rule here that you have to offer people help.  Most of the time I > feel incompetent to give advice.  I leave the advice-giving to the more > knowledgeable people.

Okay…let me explain WHY I’m asking these things. First of all, Justin was diagnosed with OCD a long time before I was. I sincerely hope that during all that time he’s learned a few things about OCD other than just how bad it can be. This is where the doctor comes in, I suppose. If he/she was a really bad doctor maybe there really was no progress. But maybe Justin made some, by accident even, and he just hasn’t mentioned it? Second: The things I suggested were intended to draw Justin’s attention away from his obsessions by helping others with theirs. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. I also think it would help Justin get along with others on the newsgroup if he stepped out a little more. No, it’s not a rule that he has to. It’s just something that might help in the long run. Third: I know OCD is mostly a biological disorder and that there a some instances where a person cannot control it. I know this from experience, believe me. But the impression I and others have gotten is that Justin is not doing everything he can do to help himself. How are we supposed to respond to that? Tell him it’s okay? Pat him on the head and say he doesn’t have to move on? From what I’ve heard, Justin may be seeking CBT just in time. Things don’t sound good and I really think he needs to act NOW. Take it from someone who has been so wracked with anxiety and obsessions that I’ve sometimes had to live in my car because I was unable to interact with people enough to get a job or find a place to live. He doesn’t want to waste time on this. It might even be time to go to a hospital–which would be a very positive thing compared to some of his past reactions to OCD. By this I mean voluntarily going to one, NOT an involuntary visit because of ODing. Yes, I remember reading about that one. Still wondering why I think the guy should avoid self-pity at all costs? There’s one big reason for you. At this point, if Justin just goes for CBT, that’s a good thing. I’d like to hear about it, too. If he could share his experiences without being impossibly vague, that alone would probably benefit many who read this newsgroup. He can help others and himself too. Think of that.

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inafog5…@aol.com (INaFog5716) wrote in message <news:20020423115743.10634.00007845@mb-fo.aol.com>… > I think Justin’s problems are his doctor’s fault, pure & simple.  He’s been > doctoring for a very, very long time and by now something surely should have > been done to ease his never-ending anguish.  He needs intense care by somone > who is understanding & who knows the constant torture he’s under.  People can > blame Justin, but I’ve met him & talked with him, and I can honestly & > sincerely say this wonderful young man needs help by a competent & caring > psychiatrist.  But of course this action of finding a good dr. can only be > taken by Justin.  

The problem is, it doesn’t matter who is to blame. It’s Justin’s problem now, isn’t it? If he does go with CBT (a good idea, btw) he might as well get used to the idea of taking responsibility for as many of his reactions as possible. That’s what CBT is all about. OCD is a difficult illness to deal with. I don’t want to sound like it’s wrong to feel bad sometimes, or that it’s wrong to share troubles on the newsgroup. But it would be nice–really nice–if Justin could show some concern for others in the newsgroup. I just refuse to believe he’s as helpless as he makes himself sound, and that he has nothing to offer other people. Perhaps you could pass the message along to Justin, in case he’s not reading these posts: I would be really interested in what Justin has to say about the good things in his life, and any progress he has made (even temporary), and the things he has learned during his struggles with OCD that might help other people. I know he’s going through a rough time, but what better time than now to think positive?

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>But it would be nice–really nice–if Justin could >show some concern for others in the newsgroup. I just refuse to >believe he’s as helpless as he makes himself sound, and that he has >nothing to offer other people.

There’s no rule here that you have to offer people help.  Most of the time I feel incompetent to give advice.  I leave the advice-giving to the more knowledgeable people. And as far as Justin being "helpless", we can only offer advice & it’s up to him from there, (if he’s even CAPABLE of adhering to it). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Perhaps you could pass the message along to Justin, in case he’s not >reading these posts: >I would be really interested in what Justin has to say about the good >things in his life, and any progress he has made (even temporary), and >the things he has learned during his struggles with OCD that might >help other people. I know he’s going through a rough time, but what >better time than now to think positive?

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I think Justin’s problems are his doctor’s fault, pure & simple.  He’s been doctoring for a very, very long time and by now something surely should have been done to ease his never-ending anguish.  He needs intense care by somone who is understanding & who knows the constant torture he’s under.  People can blame Justin, but I’ve met him & talked with him, and I can honestly & sincerely say this wonderful young man needs help by a competent & caring psychiatrist.  But of course this action of finding a good dr. can only be taken by Justin.   Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi Justin, >I suppose you won’t answer this, but for once I’m not going to >complain about it. If you just read this and think about what I have >to say that will be enough. >I’ve read all of your posts since I joined this newsgroup a few months >ago and I think you need more help than you’re getting. You should >talk to your doctor about a change in medication or dosage or >something. I also think you need to give your therapists the benefit >of the doubt. You left one therapist because they said something that >upset you and/or made you obesess more. Did you find another? I don’t >remember exactly. Therapists are there to help. Really! They’re only >human and yes, they might even say things that make you uncomfortable. >Justin, you are a slave to pity. Make no mistake, it’s not OCD that is >your worst enemy. It’s self-pity. That, and the fact that the only way >you seem to be able to deal with other people is to make them try to >pity you. It’s really a piss-poor survival mechanism. You need to stop >trying to change others opinions and start making more changes in >yourself. I don’t know what you’re like offline but that is how you >always seem to be online. It’s a trap. You’re enslaved to pity and you >don’t even seem to want to break free. You just keep running back to >it. >No one can save you from your OCD if you won’t do more to help >yourself. I’m sorry. That’s just the way things work. Pitying yourself >or trying to make others pity you because of it won’t help things >either. It might make things worse though. >Btw…what happened to the internship at the radio station? Does >(did?) that pay anything? You said you’re not working, but even if you >aren’t you can still get treatment. It’s great that you’re going to >group therapy, at least, but it seems you need a little more than just >that. >Pity is your enemy, Justin, especially self-pity. It’ll get you >nowhere. I’d love to see more positive posts from you, even if they >are off-topic. You could use the practice at positive thinking, that’s >for sure! >I know some of my posts about you have been a little harsh. I like to >say what I mean, though. I apologize if they upset you, but I’m afraid >I don’t have any pity to spare right now. My supply is incredibly low >right now, as it has been used elsewhere. >I hope some of this has been useful to you. A response would be nice, >too. You can E-mail me if you don’t want to respond to the newsgroup.

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Hi Justin, I suppose you won’t answer this, but for once I’m not going to complain about it. If you just read this and think about what I have to say that will be enough. I’ve read all of your posts since I joined this newsgroup a few months ago and I think you need more help than you’re getting. You should talk to your doctor about a change in medication or dosage or something. I also think you need to give your therapists the benefit of the doubt. You left one therapist because they said something that upset you and/or made you obesess more. Did you find another? I don’t remember exactly. Therapists are there to help. Really! They’re only human and yes, they might even say things that make you uncomfortable. Justin, you are a slave to pity. Make no mistake, it’s not OCD that is your worst enemy. It’s self-pity. That, and the fact that the only way you seem to be able to deal with other people is to make them try to pity you. It’s really a piss-poor survival mechanism. You need to stop trying to change others opinions and start making more changes in yourself. I don’t know what you’re like offline but that is how you always seem to be online. It’s a trap. You’re enslaved to pity and you don’t even seem to want to break free. You just keep running back to it. No one can save you from your OCD if you won’t do more to help yourself. I’m sorry. That’s just the way things work. Pitying yourself or trying to make others pity you because of it won’t help things either. It might make things worse though. Btw…what happened to the internship at the radio station? Does (did?) that pay anything? You said you’re not working, but even if you aren’t you can still get treatment. It’s great that you’re going to group therapy, at least, but it seems you need a little more than just that. Pity is your enemy, Justin, especially self-pity. It’ll get you nowhere. I’d love to see more positive posts from you, even if they are off-topic. You could use the practice at positive thinking, that’s for sure! I know some of my posts about you have been a little harsh. I like to say what I mean, though. I apologize if they upset you, but I’m afraid I don’t have any pity to spare right now. My supply is incredibly low right now, as it has been used elsewhere. I hope some of this has been useful to you. A response would be nice, too. You can E-mail me if you don’t want to respond to the newsgroup.

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best OCD treatment

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When we consistently resist the temptation to seek answers to the questions, the urge for the brain to seek resolution to the questions reduces with time. this is called desensitizing the brain to the event. RISK TAKING and UNCERTAINTY in psychotherapy, allow youself to have uncertainty and risk. eg rather than asking, "will i die if i dun wash my hand?" tell yourself, "even if i die, i dun give a damn! coz i want peace and calm, first priority" tell yourself, "even if this persists for eternity, i dun give a damn!" by psychoing yourself into NOT giving in to the rumination (obsession), the urge will REDUCE in time to come. Be WARNED, your spikes (mind attacks) will increase along with a decrease in ruminations (obsessions). The trick here is to first INCREASE the spikes, and REDUCE the ruminations (number of hours), which is the actual enemy. regards. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<l…@ragingbull.com> wrote in message news:95io21$9em$1@nnrp1.deja.com… > Hi, > What is the best treatment (specifically tapes, > therapy, meditation, etc.) to cure OCD? A family > member suffers from excessive recurring thoughts > (simple things bother him, like noises, etc.) At times, he also > he shows excessive hand-washing, etc. > He has inability to concentrate in his studies at college. > Any specific tapes, books, therapies (self-help) that you > found useful, please lemme know. > Thanks, > L > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/

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L: OCD can’t be cured, but it can be effectively managed.  The majority opinion among psychiatrists (at least right now) is that OCD is best managed intially by a combination of cognitive therapy and medication.   I would really encourage your family member to see a psychiatrist or a neurologist so he can make sure his problem is OCD.  Self diagnosis is sometimes wrong. As far as books, I have one called "Getting  Control" that I have found helpful.  I think some posters here also like a book called "Stop Obsessing". There is also some fairly good information on various sites around the web, particularly the OCD Foundation site at:  www.ocfoundation.org. Good luck, Twitch

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suggested dosage based on a trial 40-60 mg prozac /day ( drug therapy) 11 kinds of B complex vitamins – about 10-50 mg per day, including biotin and inositol. Don’t exceed 50mg for B6. (nutritional therapy) Vitamin C (nutritional therapy) CBT (psychotherapy) prayer (spiritual therapy) 4 lines of assault on the OCD demon waiting for genetic therapy there must be a group of defective genes that need to be replaced. regards. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<l…@ragingbull.com> wrote in message news:95io21$9em$1@nnrp1.deja.com… > Hi, > What is the best treatment (specifically tapes, > therapy, meditation, etc.) to cure OCD? A family > member suffers from excessive recurring thoughts > (simple things bother him, like noises, etc.) At times, he also > he shows excessive hand-washing, etc. > He has inability to concentrate in his studies at college. > Any specific tapes, books, therapies (self-help) that you > found useful, please lemme know. > Thanks, > L > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/

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Hi, What is the best treatment (specifically tapes, therapy, meditation, etc.) to cure OCD? A family member suffers from excessive recurring thoughts (simple things bother him, like noises, etc.) At times, he also he shows excessive hand-washing, etc. He has inability to concentrate in his studies at college. Any specific tapes, books, therapies (self-help) that you found useful, please lemme know. Thanks, L Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

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There is no "cure’ and different things work best to treat different people. Best thing to do is encourage him to see a doc. – Thrasher l…@ragingbull.com wrote in article <95io21$9e…@nnrp1.deja.com>… | Hi, | What is the best treatment (specifically tapes, | therapy, meditation, etc.) to cure OCD? A family | member suffers from excessive recurring thoughts | (simple things bother him, like noises, etc.) At times, he also | he shows excessive hand-washing, etc. | He has inability to concentrate in his studies at college. | | Any specific tapes, books, therapies (self-help) that you | found useful, please lemme know. | | Thanks, | L | | | Sent via Deja.com | http://www.deja.com/ |

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Therapy?

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ocd and…

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>STG has committed some bad "crimes" in this newsgroup. >For example, telling one person that she is a "dumb bitch", >a message to someone else to "suck my c*ck!", and a message >insulting someone who has been sexually abused. These are only >3 examples from many. STG mixes these obscene/antagonising >posts with authentic-looking posts. People are quite naturally >confused by this good/bad switching of behaviour all the time.

Hi Steve! Hm well I must admit you deliver a pretty convincing argument. I’m just not sure I understand what we could achieve by persecuting those of his ‘personalities’ that were behaving themselves (If he has any). Should it simply be to get revenge? If the goal is to stop him from abusing other people, I think there is a (very?) slight possibility that it can be done by … well ‘reaching out to him’ is to big a clich

6 Year Old Needs Your Help

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I met a Chicago family who is trying to get money together to bring their son to an OCD center in Seattle.  They really can’t afford this trip… they’re considering a 2nd mortgage to do it.  I seem to remember hearing about a good OCD treatment center (inpatient) in Wisconsin.   Can anyone help me out here?  Thanks! – Valerie

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I believe there is a place in WI (or very near). If you search the web under OCD I’m sure you will find something closer to Chicago than Seattle (!). My son has OCD and we have been able to keep it under wraps for the most part by going to a psychologist who specializes in working with children.  I’m not sure why you need to find an inpatient clinic.  I think lots of help can be gained from a once a week visit to a good specialist. I wish good luck to you and the little boy. If you have any questions, don’t hesitate to email me.

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I met a Chicago family who is trying to get money together to bring their son to an OCD center in Seattle.  They really can’t afford this trip… they’re considering a 2nd mortgage to do it.  I seem to remember hearing about a good OCD treatment center (inpatient) in Wisconsin.   Can anyone help me out here?  Thanks! – Valerie

Hi Valerie, Try the University of Wisconsin at Madison. They have a very good psych department and should be able to advise you about nearby facilities if they cannot help directly. Ian

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Hi Valerie, Try the University of Wisconsin at Madison. They have a very good psych department and should be able to advise you about nearby facilities if they cannot help directly. Ian

Yes, it’s the Anxiety Disorders Center and the director (my p-doc) is John Marshall. The phone number is: (608)263-6090 Leave a message and they WILL get back with you. They are VERY good about that. Best, Jen

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I met a Chicago family who is trying to get money together to bring their son to an OCD center in Seattle.  They really can’t afford this trip… they’re considering a 2nd mortgage to do it.  I seem to remember hearing about a good OCD treatment center (inpatient) in Wisconsin.   Can anyone help me out here?  Thanks! – Valerie

There is an excellent Anxiety Disorders Center here in Madison, WI that is affiliated with the University of Wisconsin. I can get you info. if you would like. It is where I go for treatment. Regards, Jen

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Please read…child needs help

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I am looking for information about an OCD treatment center in Wisconsin.  I believe it was featured on Primetime or 20/20 last month.  We have a young child who desperately needs help and cannot afford to take her to the center that was recommended to us (across the country) Thanks!

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There are some major people in OCD work at U of Wisconsin Med School which I believe is in Madison. Try them as a resource. Sabina wrote: > I am looking for information about an OCD treatment center in Wisconsin.  I > believe it was featured on Primetime or 20/20 last month.  We have a young > child who desperately needs help and cannot afford to take her to the > center that was recommended to us (across the country) Thanks!

– Jim Claiborn Ph.D. ABPP J-Claiborn-…@worldnet.att.net If I survive this life without dying I’ll be surprised. Mulla Nasrudin

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Efexor (Venlafaxin)

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Has anyone any experience with Venlafaxin in treatment for OCD? What has the dosis been? Regards Lars Denmark

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Hi, I’ve been on efexor since last Oct.  Dosage started out at 37.5mg a day. Now up to 150mg a day.  Good stuff but going on side effects are real unpleasant.  Stay with it though as side effects do decrease.  Email me for further questions you might have. Take care Thorkild Houe Andersen <thork…@post3.tele.dk> wrote in message news:78dbms$4p9c$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Has anyone any experience with Venlafaxin in treatment for OCD? >What has the dosis been? >Regards >Lars >Denmark

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What type of side effects are you having if you are willing to share? I have been on effexor for the last month and cant say that I have experienced side effects that I am aware of. Dan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -mellnick wrote in message … >Hi, >I’ve been on efexor since last Oct.  Dosage started out at 37.5mg a day. >Now up to 150mg a day.  Good stuff but going on side effects are real >unpleasant.  Stay with it though as side effects do decrease.  Email me for >further questions you might have. >Take care >Thorkild Houe Andersen <thork…@post3.tele.dk> wrote in message >news:78dbms$4p9c$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk… >>Has anyone any experience with Venlafaxin in treatment for OCD? >>What has the dosis been? >>Regards >>Lars >>Denmark

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Please, my son gets 375 mg /24 hours and has no side effects at all. As OCD treatment normally demands much higher dosage then depression alone woold it be good to now if anyone has tried Efexor on a real high dosis and how it treated the OCD. Regards Thorkild /Lars Thorkild Houe Andersen skrev i meddelelsen <78dbms$4p9…@news-inn.inet.tele.dk>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Has anyone any experience with Venlafaxin in treatment for OCD? >What has the dosis been? >Regards >Lars >Denmark

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So your son (is he above 15 years old, because of the high dose?) is also still waiting for effect of efexor. I will keep you informed about the effects at my OCD. (It seems endless) Rosa Thorkild Houe Andersen heeft geschreven in bericht <78eo2j$39g…@news-inn.inet.tele.dk>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Please, my son gets 375 mg /24 hours and has no side effects at all. >As OCD treatment normally demands much higher dosage then depression alone >woold it be good to now if anyone has tried Efexor on a real high dosis and >how it treated the OCD. >Regards >Thorkild /Lars >Thorkild Houe Andersen skrev i meddelelsen ><78dbms$4p9…@news-inn.inet.tele.dk>… >>Has anyone any experience with Venlafaxin in treatment for OCD? >>What has the dosis been? >>Regards >>Lars >>Denmark

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