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ichy…@aol.com (Ichydog) wrote in message <news:20020426214259.00401.00006652@mb-mj.aol.com>… > My impression of Justin is that besides the ocd, he is wildly neurotic. That > is with a W. > I think his family situation is a mess. Having ocd treatment linked to his > family (financially) means he won’t get well. > Makes me glad to have no family to fuck with my head. > Lisa
I don’t know anything about his family situation, except some vague things he mentioned a while back. Definitely not enough to make a judgement of them. Heck, even my impression of Justin could be wrong because all I know of him is what has been said on this newsgroup. As for "neurotic" I’m not really sure what that is supposed to mean. I’ve heard it used too many ways in the past. I haven’t seen anything that suggests he’s dealing with more than OCD and some self-defeating attitudes.
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INaFog5716 wrote: > Add me to your list. Dr. said my OCD is "deep"; meds are the treatment for me. > Mary
Too many people with OCD are offered and accept a meds only treatment when expert concensus treatment guidelines emphasize the importance of CBT. People should ask themselves why that is. Some do, most do not.
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>Your not alone Will,Therapy never worked for me either.Its good to >talk things out but the only thing that has helped me is medication. >Joe
Add me to your list. Dr. said my OCD is "deep"; meds are the treatment for me. Mary
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On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:45:33 GMT, "Will" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<willoughby_usnos…@yahoo.com> wrote: >I agree that he should seek more treatment maybe from another doctor or >something. I have OCD real BAD and with the right meds I can feel pretty >good most of the times. It took me a while to get to where I am now, and I >am not perfect, but I hope he can be doing a lot better than he is doing and >I hope he will get better soon. >I have had to deal with crappy docs and therapists, but they finally got me >on the right meds and dosage. Most of the changes that the docs made was >from honest input from me and they felt that I could be helped more with >adjustments in meds. Therapy for me just does not work or I haven’t been >given the tools to make therapy work for me. I wish there was a cure for all >of us. >Will
Your not alone Will,Therapy never worked for me either.Its good to talk things out but the only thing that has helped me is medication. Joe
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My impression of Justin is that besides the ocd, he is wildly neurotic. That is with a W. I think his family situation is a mess. Having ocd treatment linked to his family (financially) means he won’t get well. Makes me glad to have no family to fuck with my head. Lisa
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I agree that he should seek more treatment maybe from another doctor or something. I have OCD real BAD and with the right meds I can feel pretty good most of the times. It took me a while to get to where I am now, and I am not perfect, but I hope he can be doing a lot better than he is doing and I hope he will get better soon. I have had to deal with crappy docs and therapists, but they finally got me on the right meds and dosage. Most of the changes that the docs made was from honest input from me and they felt that I could be helped more with adjustments in meds. Therapy for me just does not work or I haven’t been given the tools to make therapy work for me. I wish there was a cure for all of us. Will
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inafog5…@aol.com (INaFog5716) wrote in message <news:20020425200805.02414.00005048@mb-fc.aol.com>… > >But it would be nice–really nice–if Justin could > >show some concern for others in the newsgroup. I just refuse to > >believe he’s as helpless as he makes himself sound, and that he has > >nothing to offer other people. > There’s no rule here that you have to offer people help. Most of the time I > feel incompetent to give advice. I leave the advice-giving to the more > knowledgeable people.
Okay…let me explain WHY I’m asking these things. First of all, Justin was diagnosed with OCD a long time before I was. I sincerely hope that during all that time he’s learned a few things about OCD other than just how bad it can be. This is where the doctor comes in, I suppose. If he/she was a really bad doctor maybe there really was no progress. But maybe Justin made some, by accident even, and he just hasn’t mentioned it? Second: The things I suggested were intended to draw Justin’s attention away from his obsessions by helping others with theirs. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. I also think it would help Justin get along with others on the newsgroup if he stepped out a little more. No, it’s not a rule that he has to. It’s just something that might help in the long run. Third: I know OCD is mostly a biological disorder and that there a some instances where a person cannot control it. I know this from experience, believe me. But the impression I and others have gotten is that Justin is not doing everything he can do to help himself. How are we supposed to respond to that? Tell him it’s okay? Pat him on the head and say he doesn’t have to move on? From what I’ve heard, Justin may be seeking CBT just in time. Things don’t sound good and I really think he needs to act NOW. Take it from someone who has been so wracked with anxiety and obsessions that I’ve sometimes had to live in my car because I was unable to interact with people enough to get a job or find a place to live. He doesn’t want to waste time on this. It might even be time to go to a hospital–which would be a very positive thing compared to some of his past reactions to OCD. By this I mean voluntarily going to one, NOT an involuntary visit because of ODing. Yes, I remember reading about that one. Still wondering why I think the guy should avoid self-pity at all costs? There’s one big reason for you. At this point, if Justin just goes for CBT, that’s a good thing. I’d like to hear about it, too. If he could share his experiences without being impossibly vague, that alone would probably benefit many who read this newsgroup. He can help others and himself too. Think of that.
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inafog5…@aol.com (INaFog5716) wrote in message <news:20020423115743.10634.00007845@mb-fo.aol.com>… > I think Justin’s problems are his doctor’s fault, pure & simple. He’s been > doctoring for a very, very long time and by now something surely should have > been done to ease his never-ending anguish. He needs intense care by somone > who is understanding & who knows the constant torture he’s under. People can > blame Justin, but I’ve met him & talked with him, and I can honestly & > sincerely say this wonderful young man needs help by a competent & caring > psychiatrist. But of course this action of finding a good dr. can only be > taken by Justin.
The problem is, it doesn’t matter who is to blame. It’s Justin’s problem now, isn’t it? If he does go with CBT (a good idea, btw) he might as well get used to the idea of taking responsibility for as many of his reactions as possible. That’s what CBT is all about. OCD is a difficult illness to deal with. I don’t want to sound like it’s wrong to feel bad sometimes, or that it’s wrong to share troubles on the newsgroup. But it would be nice–really nice–if Justin could show some concern for others in the newsgroup. I just refuse to believe he’s as helpless as he makes himself sound, and that he has nothing to offer other people. Perhaps you could pass the message along to Justin, in case he’s not reading these posts: I would be really interested in what Justin has to say about the good things in his life, and any progress he has made (even temporary), and the things he has learned during his struggles with OCD that might help other people. I know he’s going through a rough time, but what better time than now to think positive?
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>But it would be nice–really nice–if Justin could >show some concern for others in the newsgroup. I just refuse to >believe he’s as helpless as he makes himself sound, and that he has >nothing to offer other people.
There’s no rule here that you have to offer people help. Most of the time I feel incompetent to give advice. I leave the advice-giving to the more knowledgeable people. And as far as Justin being "helpless", we can only offer advice & it’s up to him from there, (if he’s even CAPABLE of adhering to it). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Perhaps you could pass the message along to Justin, in case he’s not >reading these posts: >I would be really interested in what Justin has to say about the good >things in his life, and any progress he has made (even temporary), and >the things he has learned during his struggles with OCD that might >help other people. I know he’s going through a rough time, but what >better time than now to think positive?
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I think Justin’s problems are his doctor’s fault, pure & simple. He’s been doctoring for a very, very long time and by now something surely should have been done to ease his never-ending anguish. He needs intense care by somone who is understanding & who knows the constant torture he’s under. People can blame Justin, but I’ve met him & talked with him, and I can honestly & sincerely say this wonderful young man needs help by a competent & caring psychiatrist. But of course this action of finding a good dr. can only be taken by Justin. Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi Justin, >I suppose you won’t answer this, but for once I’m not going to >complain about it. If you just read this and think about what I have >to say that will be enough. >I’ve read all of your posts since I joined this newsgroup a few months >ago and I think you need more help than you’re getting. You should >talk to your doctor about a change in medication or dosage or >something. I also think you need to give your therapists the benefit >of the doubt. You left one therapist because they said something that >upset you and/or made you obesess more. Did you find another? I don’t >remember exactly. Therapists are there to help. Really! They’re only >human and yes, they might even say things that make you uncomfortable. >Justin, you are a slave to pity. Make no mistake, it’s not OCD that is >your worst enemy. It’s self-pity. That, and the fact that the only way >you seem to be able to deal with other people is to make them try to >pity you. It’s really a piss-poor survival mechanism. You need to stop >trying to change others opinions and start making more changes in >yourself. I don’t know what you’re like offline but that is how you >always seem to be online. It’s a trap. You’re enslaved to pity and you >don’t even seem to want to break free. You just keep running back to >it. >No one can save you from your OCD if you won’t do more to help >yourself. I’m sorry. That’s just the way things work. Pitying yourself >or trying to make others pity you because of it won’t help things >either. It might make things worse though. >Btw…what happened to the internship at the radio station? Does >(did?) that pay anything? You said you’re not working, but even if you >aren’t you can still get treatment. It’s great that you’re going to >group therapy, at least, but it seems you need a little more than just >that. >Pity is your enemy, Justin, especially self-pity. It’ll get you >nowhere. I’d love to see more positive posts from you, even if they >are off-topic. You could use the practice at positive thinking, that’s >for sure! >I know some of my posts about you have been a little harsh. I like to >say what I mean, though. I apologize if they upset you, but I’m afraid >I don’t have any pity to spare right now. My supply is incredibly low >right now, as it has been used elsewhere. >I hope some of this has been useful to you. A response would be nice, >too. You can E-mail me if you don’t want to respond to the newsgroup.
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Hi Justin, I suppose you won’t answer this, but for once I’m not going to complain about it. If you just read this and think about what I have to say that will be enough. I’ve read all of your posts since I joined this newsgroup a few months ago and I think you need more help than you’re getting. You should talk to your doctor about a change in medication or dosage or something. I also think you need to give your therapists the benefit of the doubt. You left one therapist because they said something that upset you and/or made you obesess more. Did you find another? I don’t remember exactly. Therapists are there to help. Really! They’re only human and yes, they might even say things that make you uncomfortable. Justin, you are a slave to pity. Make no mistake, it’s not OCD that is your worst enemy. It’s self-pity. That, and the fact that the only way you seem to be able to deal with other people is to make them try to pity you. It’s really a piss-poor survival mechanism. You need to stop trying to change others opinions and start making more changes in yourself. I don’t know what you’re like offline but that is how you always seem to be online. It’s a trap. You’re enslaved to pity and you don’t even seem to want to break free. You just keep running back to it. No one can save you from your OCD if you won’t do more to help yourself. I’m sorry. That’s just the way things work. Pitying yourself or trying to make others pity you because of it won’t help things either. It might make things worse though. Btw…what happened to the internship at the radio station? Does (did?) that pay anything? You said you’re not working, but even if you aren’t you can still get treatment. It’s great that you’re going to group therapy, at least, but it seems you need a little more than just that. Pity is your enemy, Justin, especially self-pity. It’ll get you nowhere. I’d love to see more positive posts from you, even if they are off-topic. You could use the practice at positive thinking, that’s for sure! I know some of my posts about you have been a little harsh. I like to say what I mean, though. I apologize if they upset you, but I’m afraid I don’t have any pity to spare right now. My supply is incredibly low right now, as it has been used elsewhere. I hope some of this has been useful to you. A response would be nice, too. You can E-mail me if you don’t want to respond to the newsgroup.
