100 days to Thanksgiving
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Carol: Regardless of how you feel about Caleb’s diet, surely you appreciate his wit and unique outlook on life! I only wish half the people I met could be so positive!
People with positive attitudes generally do better in life’s challenges than those who have a negative attitude. I may not have agreed with his diet but I have to admire his determination and sense of humor.
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Carol: Regardless of how you feel about Caleb’s diet, surely you appreciate his wit and unique outlook on life! I only wish half the people I met could be so positive! j
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ( with apologies to Tirya who knows that even when it’s over, it’s not all over:-) Well, congrats on the Frank Sinatra finish. Caleb, you made it, your way. Now, please eat more, talk less!! — Diva Brain cells come and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever.
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( with apologies to Tirya who knows that even when it’s over, it’s not all over:-) Well, congrats on the Frank Sinatra finish. Caleb, you made it, your way. Now, please eat more, talk less!! — Diva Brain cells come and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever.
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Regardless of how you feel about Caleb’s diet, surely you appreciate his wit and unique outlook on life! I only wish half the people I met could be so positive!
I agree with the positive part, although after a while the "happy happy" pap started getting to me. The real problem, though, was the advocating of weight loss over fat loss and calorie deprivation over sustainable lifestyle changes. It’s the epitome of what we all went through to lose weight that just got us fatter. It gets wearing to rebut his every post, and you’ve got to wonder why the guy hasn’t figured this out on his own, since this is his fourth time doing this yo-yo. After a while a genial idiot is still an idiot. Wendy
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Regardless of how you feel about Caleb’s diet, surely you appreciate his wit and unique outlook on life! I only wish half the people I met could be so positive!
his positive outlook and supportive nature is a blessing for ASD! rosie
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Oi, gevald, you don’t quit ! — read and post daily, it works! rosie say. r.w.emerson
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The real problem, though, was the advocating of weight loss over fat loss and calorie deprivation over sustainable lifestyle changes. It’s the epitome of what we all went through to lose weight that just got us fatter.
wendy, why not talk about yourself? share YOUR knowledge! you seem to be full of great suggestions, lets have more!
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People with positive attitudes generally do better in life’s challenges than those who have a negative attitude. I may not have agreed with his diet but I have to admire his determination and sense of humor.
amen to that bev. i find calebs attitude refreshing!
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I have always appreciated Caleb’s determination (even if it sometimes borders on OCD). Sometimes we do have to push the needle in to get our rears in gear. In any case I’m glad he acheived the goal he set for himself but still think there is some madness in the method. Nuff said! Regardless of how you feel about Caleb’s diet, surely you appreciate his wit and unique outlook on life! I only wish half the people I met could be so positive! his positive outlook and supportive nature is a blessing for ASD! rosie
– Diva ******* "Adversity doesn’t create character. It reveals it."
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It’s good to see you Carol — I think your Thanksgiving is already over — if so, belated happy Thanksgiving. I love your quote below. Mary M 325-176-145
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have always appreciated Caleb’s determination (even if it sometimes borders on OCD). Sometimes we do have to push the needle in to get our rears in gear. In any case I’m glad he acheived the goal he set for himself but still think there is some madness in the method. Nuff said! Regardless of how you feel about Caleb’s diet, surely you appreciate his wit and unique outlook on life! I only wish half the people I met could be so positive! his positive outlook and supportive nature is a blessing for ASD! rosie — Diva ******* "Adversity doesn’t create character. It reveals it."
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The real problem, though, was the advocating of weight loss over fat loss and calorie deprivation over sustainable lifestyle changes. It’s the epitome of what we all went through to lose weight that just got us fatter. wendy, why not talk about yourself? share YOUR knowledge! you seem to be full of great suggestions, lets have more!
She already does talk about herself. That’s what gives her insight to comment on Caleb’s method. I’ve found Wendy’s suggestions to be very helpful. Cheryl — "Never send a human to do a machine’s job." – Agent Smith
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I have always appreciated Caleb’s determination (even if it sometimes borders on OCD).
ROTFLMAO! POT-KETTLE-BLACK
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She already does talk about herself. That’s what gives her insight to comment on Caleb’s method. I’ve found Wendy’s suggestions to be very helpful. Cheryl
YES, i know that she does talk about herself and her approach alittle. i find her suggestions, for the most part, to be right on target, for those following her methods.
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Wendy, I like Caleb and appreciate his outlook on life but he can fight his own battles. My point was that regardless of the day or the challenge or the trial, Caleb posted something positive. While the happy, happy, pap got to you, I appreciated it. I have a real problem with childish name calling directed at Caleb or anyone else in the group. Surely, intelligent folks can come up with a post that is relevant to everyone versus your personal feelings on the happy happy pap and whether or not you have assessed someone to be an idiot. Furthermore, I think it is presumtuous of you to assume that I went through severe calorie deprivation and got fat as a result. Truthfully, I quit smoking and gained weight. I have restricted calories, carbs and exercised and am now 137 pounds. 17 more pounds to go. Furthermore, if you look closely through the years, Calebs starting weight at the commencement of the 100 days has been lower for foure years in a row. Apparently, he has sustained some weight loss. Please be nice. You have very interesting things to say that I truly appreciate but name-calling doesn’t do anything positive for anyone. j
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Regardless of how you feel about Caleb’s diet, surely you appreciate his wit and unique outlook on life! I only wish half the people I met could be so positive! I agree with the positive part, although after a while the "happy happy" pap started getting to me. The real problem, though, was the advocating of weight loss over fat loss and calorie deprivation over sustainable lifestyle changes. It’s the epitome of what we all went through to lose weight that just got us fatter. It gets wearing to rebut his every post, and you’ve got to wonder why the guy hasn’t figured this out on his own, since this is his fourth time doing this yo-yo. After a while a genial idiot is still an idiot. Wendy
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Wendy, Furthermore, if you look closely through the years, Calebs starting weight at the commencement of the 100 days has been lower for foure years in a row. Apparently, he has sustained some weight loss.
I was beginning to think I was the only one who noticed that. I am not going to comment in this post on whether or not I agree with his approach but I understand it and if you read http://home.teleport.com/~calebb/manual.htm where he outlines it, you will see that it’s summed up in this one line… "1. The basics — even athletes don’t train 365 days a year –is it reasonable to ask dieters to do so?" So what he’s advocation is one or two 100 day low calorie dieting cycles and "ad lib" dieting the rest of the year. The theory being that the habits learned during the dieting cycles will carry over to the "ad lib" cycles. Human nature being what it is, it doesn’t always work out that way and Caleb has regained weight during the ad lib cycles but over time it has resulted in a net loss so it is working for him. Think of his method as a "two steps forward one step back" diet and since it goes against "standard dieting wisdom", it generates hostility for the same reasons that low carb dieting does. — Ron Ritzman http://www.panix.com/~ritzlart Smart people can figure out my email address
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Wendy, Furthermore, if you look closely through the years, Calebs starting weight at the commencement of the 100 days has been lower for foure years in a row. Apparently, he has sustained some weight loss. I was beginning to think I was the only one who noticed that.
it has been mentioned in ASD a couple times, and conveniently forgotten and/or ignored. thus the continued bitch’ and moanin’
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Furthermore, I think it is presumtuous of you to assume that I went through severe calorie deprivation and got fat as a result. Truthfully, I quit smoking and gained weight. I have restricted calories, carbs and exercised and am now 137 pounds. 17 more pounds to go.
congrats to you julianne, quitting smoking is a true triumph!
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Please be nice. You have very interesting things to say that I truly appreciate but name-calling doesn’t do anything positive for anyone.
Okay, fair enough. Wendy
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I’m only an "intermittent" a sort of accidental tourist. And even that "a little bit" contravenes Tirya’s expectations of women having the option of changing what’s left of their deranged minds. I think each of us has the right to have all our expectations met! It was shabby that people on other groups swore they were leaving and broke their word. It must have shattered her. Could you have expect a bi-polar OCD to muster a plan for 1065 days that maintains a big weight loss while enjoying Beef Balls Strognaoff, Stuffed Chicken Packets with basil and pine nuts fresh cooked tomato sauce and SCD Cheesecake? And doing it by eating only one meal a day! (three times) Tragically many weight losers choose not to bother 
95-98% But we all know I”ve been branded obsessed about my weight by the world’s foremost authority, which makes it so odd that I ever joined ASD instead if a Model Railroad group Pretty dull, but it saves doing it over and over every year although I am seriously considering some new and bizarre tactic just to stop my drastic refusal to deny that Food is A Good Thing and that I’ve been good enough long enough with the approval of several competent doctors who ARE conversant with nutrition, two certified nutritionists, a naturopath and probably you:-) Who cares any more what plan others are following, especially when that is the very thing they do not want? May they thrive and strive to starve! Let them all do what they wish and a blessing on their heads Mazel Tov, Mazel Tov! We have all have the right be here to post whatever we are doing with no attention to anyone else’s comments. Which begs the question__"Why have a group when we have ourselves?" Never mind the small stuff, how’s Marty?:-) Welcome back Carol. Nice to see you. Barbara Hirsch, Publisher OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development http://www.obesity-news.com/
– Diva ******* "Adversity doesn’t create character. It reveals it."
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Welcome back Carol. Nice to see you. Barbara Hirsch, Publisher OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development http://www.obesity-news.com/
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Furthermore, I think it is presumtuous of you to assume that I went through severe calorie deprivation and got fat as a result. Truthfully, I quit smoking and gained weight. I have restricted calories, carbs and exercised and am now 137 pounds. 17 more pounds to go.
Congrats on quitting smoking, Julie. Quitting smoking was the reason for my weight gain, too. Beverly
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J– Humph! I have not walked across water yet! I have not invented a new mineral — how dare you praise what I’ve done? Just kidding — you’re doing GREAT! To be so focused on your goal and to reach lower weights over these days (at least 17 pounds, if my porous memory serves me), SUPER! SUPER! SUPER! I do try to be positive for people — and I don’t think this is childish. As Portia said (in Shakespeare’s "Merchant of Venice") "The quality of mercy is not stained It dropeth like gentle rain from heaven upon the place beneath. It is twice blessed, It bleseth him who gives and him who takes, It is mightiest in the mighty and becomes the throned monarch better than his crown. His sceptre stays the force of tempered power wherein doth lie the dread and fear of kings. But mercy is beyond this sceptred sway It is enshrined in the heart of kings and is an attribute of God himself and earthly power doth then showest like Gods when mercy seasons justice" And I agree with Portia who says (in the same play) that we should not pray for justice, because if we pray for justice, who then among us would escape whipping? Also, of course, three years and 102 days ago I was 276. Now I’m less than 200. (My highest was about 293 when I was 18, and losing this weight over the last three years was certainly not difficult.) In spite of what many people say, I am DELIGHTED with my weight loss! Hurrah!!! And I will remain less than 200 in the year coming up. But I can remember now why I stopped posting on Thanksgiving of last year… WISHING YOU AND YOURS THE VERY, VERY BEST!!! Caleb
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wendy, I like Caleb and appreciate his outlook on life but he can fight his own battles. My point was that regardless of the day or the challenge or the trial, Caleb posted something positive. While the happy, happy, pap got to you, I appreciated it. I have a real problem with childish name calling directed at Caleb or anyone else in the group. Surely, intelligent folks can come up with a post that is relevant to everyone versus your personal feelings on the happy happy pap and whether or not you have assessed someone to be an idiot. Furthermore, I think it is presumtuous of you to assume that I went through severe calorie deprivation and got fat as a result. Truthfully, I quit smoking and gained weight. I have restricted calories, carbs and exercised and am now 137 pounds. 17 more pounds to go. Furthermore, if you look closely through the years, Calebs starting weight at the commencement of the 100 days has been lower for foure years in a row. Apparently, he has sustained some weight loss. Please be nice. You have very interesting things to say that I truly appreciate but name-calling doesn’t do anything positive for anyone. j Regardless of how you feel about Caleb’s diet, surely you appreciate his wit and unique outlook on life! I only wish half the people I met could be so positive! I agree with the positive part, although after a while the "happy happy" pap started getting to me. The real problem, though, was the advocating of weight loss over fat loss and calorie deprivation over sustainable lifestyle changes. It’s the epitome of what we all went through to lose weight that just got us fatter. It gets wearing to rebut his every post, and you’ve got to wonder why the guy hasn’t figured this out on his own, since this is his fourth time doing this yo-yo. After a while a genial idiot is still an idiot. Wendy
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Ron — You read that more recently than I did! But I still agree with it. What’s reasonable in weight loss? I think perfection is difficult to practice, and promising to be good for 365 days is a "pie crust promise." (Mary Poppins said: "Pie crust promises — easily made — easily broken!") But you have the essence of what I’m saying <probably better than I do! Treat it like an athletic contest for a certain period of time — develop a dieting momentum and practice the necessary behaviors (low enough calories for a long enough period of time, hopefully with exercise and hopefully under a physician’s care — or the care of a medical professional), and not only will one be healthier in the short run (just check with any runners who completed the various marathon clinics around the US and the world), but one is also likely to be healthier in the long run.. Part of this approach involves knowing that one is not necessarily pledging to be good "forever." If one is good forever, then that’s great. But most of it is being good for a smaller period of time. And hopefully the behaviors will take. The cure will not be too aversive. One’s health will improve. etc. But frankly, you probably know this stuff better than I do! Again, GREAT JOB, RON!!! You must be SO HAPPY WITH YOURSELF!!!! EXCELLENT!!! Yours, Caleb
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wendy, Furthermore, if you look closely through the years, Calebs starting weight at the commencement of the 100 days has been lower for foure years in a row. Apparently, he has sustained some weight loss. I was beginning to think I was the only one who noticed that. I am not going to comment in this post on whether or not I agree with his approach but I understand it and if you read http://home.teleport.com/~calebb/manual.htm where he outlines it, you will see that it’s summed up in this one line… "1. The basics — even athletes don’t train 365 days a year –is it reasonable to ask dieters to do so?" So what he’s advocation is one or two 100 day low calorie dieting cycles and "ad lib" dieting the rest of the year. The theory being that the habits learned during the dieting cycles will carry over to the "ad lib" cycles. Human nature being what it is, it doesn’t always work out that way and Caleb has regained weight during the ad lib cycles but over time it has resulted in a net loss so it is working for him. Think of his method as a "two steps forward one step back" diet and since it goes against "standard dieting wisdom", it generates hostility for the same reasons that low carb dieting does. — Ron Ritzman http://www.panix.com/~ritzlart Smart people can figure out my email address
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But you have the essence of what I’m saying <probably better than I do! Treat it like an athletic contest for a certain period of time — develop a dieting momentum and practice the necessary behaviors (low enough calories for a long enough period of time, hopefully with exercise and hopefully under a physician’s care — or the care of a medical professional), and not only will one be healthier in the short run (just check with any runners who completed the various marathon clinics around the US and the world), but one is also likely to be healthier in the long run..
You know, I’ve seen this "athlete" comparison a couple of times now, and it’s not entirely correct. No, athletes do not train at the same intensity year-round; there are different plans for pre-season, during season, post-season training. However, athletes are always in training – you can’t train hard, compete, and then totally slack off your diet and training plan. You *ease up*, but not completely. It’s not like you "get healthy" for a few months, then become a total coach potato, complete with chips in hand, until time for the next training cycle. :-) Lee Ann
