OT: Anthrax

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>From: striket@ >Second, when the attack first occured, the majority of the Muslim world was >actually on our side.

They are all laughing behind our backs,don’t be fooled! Joe

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anti-Americans!! all y’all!! :) JMass11162 wrote: > >From: striket@ > >Second, when the attack first occured, the majority of the Muslim world was > >actually on our side. > They are all laughing behind our backs,don’t be fooled! > Joe

– "when i see your face i’ll turn it into mine… you’ll be just another dead puppet, holding another dead sign" – me

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Terrie wrote > Instead, Bush >stood up, before the facts were all in, and proclaimed that the US wanted bin >Laden dead or alive

I’m inclined to believe that George W. knew the facts when he made this statement. Blaming our president or the American way of life for the attack on the WTC is bull shit. The seeds of the problems of any ethnic or national body of people is embedded in their own culture. American policy since WWII has been to give aid to virtually every nation and encourage democracy and freedom for all people. The masses of most of the Islamic world are uneducated and consequently it is easy for the educated and brighter people to exercise control over them. The same is true for most of the third world countries. It’s unfortunate, but true. The term "knowledge is power" is clearly demonstrated everywhere you look. Georg

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Some one wrote >– >"when i see your face i’ll turn it into mine… you’ll be just another dead >puppet, holding another dead sign" >- me

Where do you get this hair-brained shit? Georg

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simon smith wrote:

There’s a vicious, bullying tone on this ng at the moment which is hardly appropriate to the situation we are in. Military leaders everywhere have done things that have had disastrous consequences. Terrie is American and believes in the best values of America – I think she deserves some respect. — Oh please, simon. You’re just as guilty–if not more so–of using a "bullying tone" when stating your opinions lately. I’m sick of listening to you talk down to Americans like we’re clueless fools who are being duped by an endless barrage of government/media propaganda. Well, guess what, simon? We don’t care what you think about us and we never did. So go ahead, keep posting your anti-American bullshit if it makes you happy. Everybody needs a hobby, I guess. Cooper

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I have not changed any of my basic beliefs. It is great that people can express different opinions in the USA and disagree with our government and each other. After all, we certainly couldnt make these comments under the Taliban. I was just saying that for me * personally * I do not care to argue right now about my country, our foreign policy,etc. That is my right – just as it is yours to continue. I dont however understand people in the US taking up for the people that you refer to as "scape goats". Who are you referring to? All Muslims? The Taliban? Afghans? Who?? We were attacked – our civilians were attacked – but some people tend to forget about American suffering and only want to be concerned with the perpetrators. Perhaps those that hate the USA so bad, should go try to live under the Taliban. — "Terrie Strike" <stri…@stu.beloit.edunospam> wrote in message

news:9pvkir$100e$1@wiscnews.wiscnet.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <ts67tqe7vgb…@corp.supernews.com>, "** dawn too **" <dawn072…@yahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote: > >I just dont feel now is the time to be criticizing the USA. > >It’s others right- I guess – that’s what our country stands for- > >but I cant take part in it right now. > I guess I’m unique in that I see no problem with critizing the US right now. I > don’t agree with many of the responses that people jhave had to the attack. > Violent retaliation for the sake of having retaliated goes againt my every > belief. Just because we’re the victim this time around doesn’t mean I’m going > to change my beliefs. If I did, I never really believed it in the first place. > If the anthrax was a biological weapon, it will of course be blame on our > current scape goats. However, anyone with some college level bio classes under > their belt can manufacture anthrax (it’s in the *soil*. Not often, not a whole > lot, but if you wanted it badly enough….) Until I see proof, sorry, I’m just > not into patrotism as a victim mentality. > What makes America great is that I can stand up and say that our government is > full of crap. It has nothing to do with capitalism, or God, or anything like > that. It’s my right to live my beliefs. So, the way I see it, by disagreeing, > I’m doing some good. > -Terrie

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I am also not into a "victim mentality." All I said was for me, right now is not the time to criticize my country. Why are you so threatened by what I feel and choose to or not to do? — "Terrie Strike" <stri…@stu.beloit.edunospam> wrote in message

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Terrie Strike wrote: > In article <ts67tqe7vgb…@corp.supernews.com>, "** dawn too **" <dawn072…@yahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote: > >I just dont feel now is the time to be criticizing the USA. > >It’s others right- I guess – that’s what our country stands for- > >but I cant take part in it right now. > I guess I’m unique in that I see no problem with critizing the US right now. I > don’t agree with many of the responses that people jhave had to the attack. > Violent retaliation for the sake of having retaliated goes againt my every > belief. Just because we’re the victim this time around doesn’t mean I’m going > to change my beliefs. If I did, I never really believed it in the first place. > If the anthrax was a biological weapon, it will of course be blame on our > current scape goats. However, anyone with some college level bio classes under > their belt can manufacture anthrax (it’s in the *soil*. Not often, not a whole > lot, but if you wanted it badly enough….) Until I see proof, sorry, I’m just > not into patrotism as a victim mentality. > What makes America great is that I can stand up and say that our government is > full of crap. It has nothing to do with capitalism, or God, or anything like > that. It’s my right to live my beliefs. So, the way I see it, by disagreeing, > I’m doing some good. > -Terrie

i don’t agree with their cause for the violent reaction either.. well, not just for the sake of retaliating to what has happened. not just a knee jerk. but even though i may not agree with alot of what i hear, i still think bin Laden and co need to be taken out one way or another. even though is is only suspected of all of this, and thus as you say a scape-goat, he has declared ‘holy war’ against all americans, and said whether they are civilian or military and whatever country they live in they should be destroyed.. or something along those lines. and i think that itself is crime enough to restrain him/them somehow by somebody. even if the US gov is has terrorized, and is no better, i still think SOMEONE has to do this. and i think this event should make Americans more selfconscious too.. in that they will care more about this bullshit their gov’s been pulling off too.. they’ll feel it more. i think the US gov/mil will be more careful with it’s own actions in the future.. but who knows!

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I subscribe to the Globe, which is a tabloid that is produced out of that affected building in Florida. I just got my issue but I am afraid to read it? OCD demons say there might be anthrax spores on it. Ida "** dawn too **" <dawn072…@yahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote in message news:ts67tqe7vgb075@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Now it is thought that the Anthrax cases in Florida DO > have human involvement. > However, only 2 persons – so far- have been affected. > I hope there are not many more.

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>I subscribe to the Globe, which is a tabloid that is produced out of that >affected building in Florida. I just got my issue but I am afraid to read >it? OCD demons say there might be anthrax spores on it. >Ida

Ida, I can understand your fear, but in this case paper is most likely printed locally, though layed out in Florida. I was just reading about the Star/Globe cover belittling bin Laden’s genitalia size. I can see that getting under the skin of a local (1 mile) terrorist. Very hopefully this is just a weird coincidence. Don’t worry about the paper. Lisa

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Terrie wrote > Until I see proof, …<snip>

Terrie, Are you specifically need proof regarding the anthrax? Or are you referring to bin Laden’s involvement in the terrorist attack? Or do you not believe the perps were terrorist? I hope it is just the anthrax. In the anthrax situation, the imagination doesn’t have to make a big leap to think that there is a connection between the paper and the neighborhood terrorists. This is a big freaking country, why only a mile away from that airport? Well, coincidences happen, I know. Lisa BTW, of course I agree with part of what you are saying about freedom of speech.

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In article <ts6mono13ba…@corp.supernews.com>, "** dawn too **" <dawn072…@yahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote: >I am also not into a "victim mentality." >All I said was for me, right now is not the time to criticize my >country. Why are you so threatened by what I feel and choose >to or not to do?

My comments were more to the situation in general then you specificly. Sorry if you felt that way. If you’ve been reading editorial pages lately, you’ve probably seen the letters saying that anyone who’s saying that they don’t support governement action is a traitor (and, yes, the word traitor has actually been used). That was more what I was thinking of. Again, nothing meant against you. Just as I’m allowed to voice my opinion and beliefs, so are you. *That* is what I support about this country. Not the people in office, not even the offices themselves. But the right of people to voice their thoughts, to live their lives and to live. IMO, there have to be better ways to protect those things than to teach the Afghani people the same sort of fear we have so recently felt. -Terrie

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In article <20011009191646.09647.00001…@mb-ff.aol.com>, ichy…@aol.com (Ichydog) wrote: >Terrie wrote >> Until I see proof, …<snip> >Terrie, >Are you specifically need proof regarding the anthrax? Or are you referring to >bin Laden’s involvement in the terrorist attack? Or do you not believe the >perps were terrorist? I hope it is just the anthrax.

I think we need proof about who was behind the anthrax attack before we start pointing fingers. I’ve already heard people say "Gee, you need a big fancy govt-funded lab to produce bio weapons." As I said earlier, no, you need an undergrad microbiology course. Scary, but true. Some petri dishes and an incubator can produce a lot of scary stuff. As for bin Laden, yeah, I think he’s dangerous. But bombing Afghanistan isn’t going to make it better. Rather like trying to play that "bop the gopher" game blindfolded. -Terrie

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I don’t believe it is the OCD demons that say there might be anthrax spores on your paper. I think it is a very healthy and aware mind that makes the connections. What may be OCD is your reaction to these very heathy thoughts. If you are 99.99% sure there is no reasonable chance of anthrax being in your paper and you still won’t open it, then OCD is likely involved. I’m sure you know that the more you avoid those .01% chances, the more power OCD will gain. The more you accept that .01% risk and open the paper anyway, the less power the OCD way of thinking and behavior will have. But if you have any reason to believe your paper has been contaminated or could have been contaminated, based upon facts you have gathered, then OCD is not likely a factor. I think "normal" people are going to evaluate the chances of their paper being contaminated once they know the Globe has been a target. This is quite normal and healthy. Many may error on the side of caution but I would not consider this an OCD reaction. whatatrip "Ida Kern" <clooney…@REMOVETHISmindspring.com> wrote in message

news:9pvr87$d66$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net… > I subscribe to the Globe, which is a tabloid that is produced out of that > affected building in Florida. I just got my issue but I am afraid to read > it? OCD demons say there might be anthrax spores on it. > Ida > "** dawn too **" <dawn072…@yahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote in message > news:ts67tqe7vgb075@corp.supernews.com… > > Now it is thought that the Anthrax cases in Florida DO > > have human involvement. > > However, only 2 persons – so far- have been affected. > > I hope there are not many more.

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"Terrie Strike" <stri…@stu.beloit.edunospam> wrote in message

news:9q09s5$q2m$2@wiscnews.wiscnet.net… >IMO, there have to be better ways > to protect those things than to teach the Afghani people the same sort of fear > we have so recently felt.

I think our actions are such that we are minimizing the terror that Afgans will experience as we carry out what needs to be done. There is no way to avoid the terror of being bombed. I think that if there was a way of getting those responsible the attacks on the Towers without using weapons that are terrifying, then we would use them. In the words a once presidential candidate "I am all ears" (Ross Perot). whatatrip —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Terrie Strike wrote:

As for bin Laden, yeah, I think he’s dangerous. But bombing Afghanistan isn’t going to make it better. Rather like trying to play that "bop the gopher" game blindfolded. — Terrie, how the fuck do YOU know that "bombing Afghanistan isn’t going to make it better"? Do you actually believe that you know something our military leaders don’t? Wait, I know, I bet you saw something on TV the other night and now you’re an expert, right? Give me a break. You’re entitled to your opinion, Terrie, but those of us who actually have a clue are also entitled to disregard it as uninformed, worthless drivel. Coop P.S. Yes, I’m supposed to be on "vacation" from the NG, but today I decided I’m going to drop in every now and then when I feel like it. Sue me. :)

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They shut down Dell in Austin after recieving a package from the company where it already has been found that was strange and suspected to have anthrax. The package has been contained and sent to CDC for investigation. Afgonistan "** dawn too **" <dawn072…@yahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote in message news:ts67tqe7vgb075@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Now it is thought that the Anthrax cases in Florida DO > have human involvement. > However, only 2 persons – so far- have been affected. > I hope there are not many more. > I have been one – in the past- to also criticize my country. > However, we- the USA – were attacked – and > now I feel an immense closeness to my fellow citizens. > I feel we must come together. > I just dont feel now is the time to be criticizing the USA. > It’s others right- I guess – that’s what our country stands for- > but I cant take part in it right now. > peace, > dawn

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -JMass11162 wrote: > x-no-archive: yes > >From: mahja-urana <A > >he has declared > >’holy war’ against all americans, and said whether they are civilian or > >military > >and whatever country they live in they should be destroyed.. or something > >along > >those lines. and i think that itself is crime enough to restrain him/them > >somehow by somebody. even if the US gov is has terrorized, and is no better, > >i > >still think SOMEONE has to do this. > Only the U.S.and the U.K. have the balls to do anything,this is why we are > hated around the muslim world! WE TAKE ACTION.

WE W WE WE WE WE WE lol why do you have to be so competetive and stupid about everything? why are you so stupid? firstly i am NOT FUCKING RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT MY GOVERNMENT DOES, you fucking little bug and second there are many other ‘countries’ that are willing to help however they can, but how many do you need right now? they’ll come when they are needed. the US and Britain wouldn’t even want them right now! why are you so competitive and stupid? it has nothing to do with having the balls or not having the balls, it has to do with NOT BEING STUPID. but you are stupid, a stupid little fucking bug. :) > Joe

– "when i see your face i’ll turn it into mine… you’ll be just another dead puppet, holding another dead sign" – me

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Joe, i heard that you blew up a UN building by accident. how dumb is that? hear how the US gov is demanding "solid evidence" before they accept that people died in that? even though the UN confirms it? lolol.. i thought it was sort of ironic — "when i see your face i’ll turn it into mine… you’ll be just another dead puppet, holding another dead sign" – me

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In article <26528-3BC3D9B…@storefull-147.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, Matt Cooper <coo…@webtv.net> writes >– Terrie, how the fuck do YOU know that "bombing Afghanistan isn’t >going to make it better"? Do you actually believe that you know >something our military leaders don’t? Wait, I know, I bet you saw >something on TV the other night and now you’re an expert, right? Give >me a break. >You’re entitled to your opinion, Terrie, but those of us who actually >have a clue are also entitled to disregard it as uninformed, worthless >drivel.

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In article <3bc3b1f…@corp.newsgroups.com>, whatatrip <rbol…@eburg.com> writes >I think our actions are such that we are minimizing the terror that >Afgans will experience as we carry out what needs to be done. There is >no way to avoid the terror of being bombed. I think that if there was a >way of getting those responsible the attacks on the Towers without >using weapons that are terrifying, then we would use them. In the words >a once presidential candidate "I am all ears" (Ross Perot).

Whether it will get some of the terrorists I don’t know, but the squeezing of Taliban funds was already having a major effect, from what I’ve seen on TV, and the intelligence work was also finding people. What the bombing will do, apart from killing civilians and making starvation this winter more likely, will be to increase Arab resentment towards the west, inclining them more towards Islamic fundamentalism, which is as much about politics as it is about religion. Apparently Bin Laden’s video, in which he lists the wrongs that have been done to the Arab people over the years, has been shown all over that region of the world. He’s a clever fuck. It’s the linking of legitimate grievance with extreme religion which is very dangerous. There’s no way bombing will deal with terrorism. It’ll just create more embittered people, some of them twisted enough to become terrorists themselves. — simon smith

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In article <26528-3BC3D9B…@storefull-147.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, coo…@webtv.net (Matt Cooper) wrote: >Terrie Strike wrote: >As for bin Laden, yeah, I think he’s dangerous. But bombing Afghanistan >isn’t going to make it better. Rather like trying to play that "bop the >gopher" game blindfolded. >– Terrie, how the fuck do YOU know that "bombing Afghanistan isn’t >going to make it better"? Do you actually believe that you know >something our military leaders don’t? Wait, I know, I bet you saw >something on TV the other night and now you’re an expert, right? Give >me a break.

I hardly claim be an expert. However, I do know somethings about history and about people. First of all, everyone is calling this our generation’s Pearl Harbor. Actually a pretty good analogy. It was known that such an attack from Japan was a possibility, but those in charge choose to ignore this and so were unprepared. McVeigh made it pretty clear that we were a country at risk for terrorism, yet we waited until a bigger attack to actually do something. Much of the world was greatly saddened by what happened, by also felt that it might have been prevented if we paid attention to the warnings. Second, when the attack first occured, the majority of the Muslim world was actually on our side. The use of the Islamic religion as justification on the part of the people involved was viewed as corruption of Islamic ideals. Had we attempted to get cooperation from the Middle East on the stance of "This is a crime against your beliefs as much as ours", we might have gotten somewhere. We might not have, either. However, we’ll never know, will we? Instead, Bush stood up, before the facts were all in, and proclaimed that the US wanted bin Laden dead or alive. And now we’ve bombed Afghanistan. We limited our options at the very beginning. As for TV, I’m not allowed to watch the news anymore. My friends got tired of me yelling "Media bias!" at the screen. -Terrie

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Now it is thought that the Anthrax cases in Florida DO have human involvement. However, only 2 persons – so far- have been affected. I hope there are not many more. I have been one – in the past- to also criticize my country. However, we- the USA – were attacked – and now I feel an immense closeness to my fellow citizens. I feel we must come together. I just dont feel now is the time to be criticizing the USA. It’s others right- I guess – that’s what our country stands for- but I cant take part in it right now. peace, dawn

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i heard about those! scarey… i’ve always been scared of virus/germ warfare… thought it could be so easy to do so much harm now days but remember it wasn’t JUST the USA that was attacked! they were people.. i think there wree even a hundred or so ‘ozzies’, which may bring it closer to home to me, but i still feel sorry for all of them and their families etc.. and Americans in general, because they are on the top of the target list.. though so is most of the world atm i imagine ** dawn too ** wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Now it is thought that the Anthrax cases in Florida DO > have human involvement. > However, only 2 persons – so far- have been affected. > I hope there are not many more. > I have been one – in the past- to also criticize my country. > However, we- the USA – were attacked – and > now I feel an immense closeness to my fellow citizens. > I feel we must come together. > I just dont feel now is the time to be criticizing the USA. > It’s others right- I guess – that’s what our country stands for- > but I cant take part in it right now. > peace, > dawn

– "when i see your face i’ll turn it into mine… you’ll be just another dead puppet, holding another dead sign" – me

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In article <ts67tqe7vgb…@corp.supernews.com>, "** dawn too **" <dawn072…@yahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote: >I just dont feel now is the time to be criticizing the USA. >It’s others right- I guess – that’s what our country stands for- >but I cant take part in it right now.

I guess I’m unique in that I see no problem with critizing the US right now. I don’t agree with many of the responses that people jhave had to the attack. Violent retaliation for the sake of having retaliated goes againt my every belief. Just because we’re the victim this time around doesn’t mean I’m going to change my beliefs. If I did, I never really believed it in the first place. If the anthrax was a biological weapon, it will of course be blame on our current scape goats. However, anyone with some college level bio classes under their belt can manufacture anthrax (it’s in the *soil*. Not often, not a whole lot, but if you wanted it badly enough….) Until I see proof, sorry, I’m just not into patrotism as a victim mentality. What makes America great is that I can stand up and say that our government is full of crap. It has nothing to do with capitalism, or God, or anything like that. It’s my right to live my beliefs. So, the way I see it, by disagreeing, I’m doing some good. -Terrie

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