Well, folks, I've finally had enough…
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Goodbye and good ridince!
I guess, Ms. Flem, is that you would like to say good ridince to all the "good" folks here on ASAP. What would you do then, flame yourself. Pam
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JeanFlem schreef: Goodbye and good ridince!
*ridince*? Philip
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Excuse me, but this was in response to JeanFlem. Had I wanted your in-put or your critique, I would have addressed this to YOU. If you are just too bored with picking apart and screwing around with everyone else’s posts and feel a need to now have at mine, go for it. I suppose this is your habit anyway! — Miriam (These opinions are mine and mine alone… YMMV) My reality check just bounced. article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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After my post this am regarding my excitement about finding then reading this newsgroup, I must confess I find little "support" being offered here. As a PA person of about 31 years, I do know that ‘controlling’ plays a big part in forming a phobic personality. Seems all the vicious attacks and name calling are expressions of alot of pain and lack of control. Too bad all this negative energy cannot be directed towards helping one another rather than finding fault; if everyone is so ‘together’ to criticize others, why are the ‘critics’ in this newsgroup here to begin with? Expressing negative opinions is part of life but must they be done so viciously and seemingly without content? PA people are pretty sensitive to suggestion and criticism. I find it odd that it is so prevalent here. What I wouldn’t have given in 1967 to have ANYONE even know what I was talking about when describing my panic attacks much less a blank faced Dr.. Here, there is a forum for PA people to come together and stroke one another and instead you are bashing. Is this a new form of therapy? Rich Haynes
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GREAT idea!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just set your kill filters to delete all mail from people that you think are trolls!
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Miriam, For such a waste, you’ve certainly added quite a supportive, loving, and nurturing post here. Take care, Don – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I suppose it is rather a waste of time to tell you what a complete and utter ass you are. You have made a nuisance of yourself since the day you made your first post. Now, with enough taunting and relentless hounding on YOUR part, you have driven people away. You offer NO support to these people in this NG, past or present, and yet you feel a need to laugh and be snide over someone else’s sincerity. Are you happy now? Will you sleep better knowing that a new person will come here wanting/needing/looking for support and pretty soon all this NG will have to offer in response to them is an ignoramus like YOU? I shudder at the thought of you ever having one damned kind word, or helpful post to any of us out here. By the way, if you are going to try to impress others with your vocabulary, at least get a spell checker, will you? It is RIDDANCE! Watch it- your stupidity and obvious second grade comprehension level is really shining now! — Miriam (These opinions are mine and mine alone… YMMV) My reality check just bounced. Goodbye and good ridince!
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I suppose it is rather a waste of time to tell you what a complete and utter ass you are. You have made a nuisance of yourself since the day you made your first post. Now, with enough taunting and relentless hounding on YOUR part, you have driven people away. You offer NO support to these people in this NG, past or present, and yet you feel a need to laugh and be snide over someone else’s sincerity. Are you happy now? Will you sleep better knowing that a new person will come here wanting/needing/looking for support and pretty soon all this NG will have to offer in response to them is an ignoramus like YOU? I shudder at the thought of you ever having one damned kind word, or helpful post to any of us out here. By the way, if you are going to try to impress others with your vocabulary, at least get a spell checker, will you? It is RIDDANCE! Watch it- your stupidity and obvious second grade comprehension level is really shining now! — Miriam (These opinions are mine and mine alone… YMMV) My reality check just bounced. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Goodbye and good ridince!
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Goodbye and good ridince!
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In my opinion, the worst offenders are Don Harrold, Jeanflem, Ronsmary, Jeanflem, that horrid Eng Guy and Stealth.
In my opinion you’re a foul-mouthed hypocrite. Your emails to me prove that very well. As soon as I post this, I am going to unsubscribe.
*Right*. Sure you will. LOL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kiesha Hi All, I realized late last night, that I was wasting my time here. Oh sure, there have been a few people that I have helped. And yes, I try to be supportive and positive. But, overall, most of what I have said might as well have been spoken to a brick wall. Those of you who are going to flame will do so, regardless of how much others of us try to convince you that it is counterproductive. And others, well, they’ll continue to try and be supportive, until they simply "burn out" due to all the "noise" from the flamers. So, here I sit. I had been working on flyers for a gubenartorial campaign that I am volunteering for, I have a curriculum to write for my daughter because I homeschool her, I need to get back into the gym and re-establish a healthy lifestyle that I have let slip in the past month, and basically, I have a life and need to live it. I have tried to be a voice of tolerance and support here. In many cases, I have gotten flamed for it. In other cases, people have agreed, but been afraid to say so in public, so they e-mailed me. Whatever. You al cansort it all out on your own. Basically, I’m tired of all the petty wars. I’m tired of the sick bastard Stealth is. I’m tired of people attacking Debbie and calling her an idiot simply because she’s not a highly educated person. I’m tired of Debbie flaming back. I’m tired of Mary, who has no reason to be here it seems other than to flame. Same goes for JeanFlem and Squinchy and Niceeguy and…well, you all now who they are. The "Noise" on the group vs the signal. IMO, the signal is getting drowned out more and more by the noise. And, it’s simply time for me to leave you all. There are many of you that I will always consider friends. You know who you are! 
And, there are others that I hope fall off the face of the earth as they really are not fit for human company. Guess that’s just people…. So, to my friends. Please e-mail me from time to time to let me know how you’re doing. It’s been fun and hurtful and heartbreaking and a lot of other things to have been here these last 16 months. Maybe I’ll drop in sometime later on down the line and see how things are. But for right now, I can’t spare the time and energy that this NG is taking away from my life. I wish you all peace, Jen
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Maybe I’ll drop in sometime later on down the line and see how things are. But for right now, I can’t spare the time and energy that this NG is taking away from my life.
I can understand how you feel. You told me a few weeks ago that you were thinking about this and that the e-mail I sent you changed your mind. I really hope you reconsider. Your advice and concern was very helpful to me when I first found this NG a few months ago. Maybe you can continue to read the posts, but respond to the posters privately through e-mail so you don’t have to deal with the non-sense of the flame wars and the trolls? I just feel that there are many people who can benefit from your experience with PD. thanks for all the advice and help you’ve given me, and I wish you peace as well Jen. Donna adp
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LOL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Arthur you are wasting your time with don. I have been here two months and have yet to see a post that remotely is positive. To me a troll is someone who fills his post with nonsense and hate, rather than their heart. Since I do not look for reasons to hate people, I have not searched the archives for hateful post by anyone, including Jen and yourself. The only thing I have witnessed is one group being trashed by trolls for no reason. I believe that the information you guys provide is good, impartial, and has heart. Therefore don’t waste your time on someone without a heart. d : Arthur, : : (snip)… It’s amusing how you people reach (not Jen, : but *you*, Arthur) for anything to flame over. What are talking about Don? I’ve been practically absent from the group (ASAP) for the last few weeks for a variety of reasons; visiting friends, preparing to move into my new home, and creating a new search engine ("http://anxiety-panic.com") which happens to feature much of the religious and spiritual things that you claim people like me are against. Besides, I stuck my neck out for you in this group several years ago, and now you’re attacking me out-of-the-blue. You really puzzle me Don. – Arthur
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: Arthur you are wasting your time with don. I have been here two months and : have yet to see a post that remotely is positive. Yes, I understand. I’ve been here years, and I remeber Don’s posts years ago. Honestly, I just feel sad for him. : To me a troll is someone : who fills his post with nonsense and hate, rather than their heart. And some people (who we might call trolls) are just confused and disorientated. : Since I : do not look for reasons to hate people, I have not searched the archives for : hateful post by anyone, including Jen and yourself. The only thing I have : witnessed is one group being trashed by trolls for no reason. I believe : that the information you guys provide is good, impartial, and has heart. : Therefore don’t waste your time on someone without a heart. Well, I strongly appreciate your perspective, yet, the depths of panic can really twist a person’s views. I don’t condone Don’s views, but I can’t outright dismiss him either if I wish to help and understand the anxiety-panic community. As I’ve said before, the anxiety-panic community is like a dysfunctional family. We have brothers and sisters and cousines, some of whom may be severe and annoying assholes, but (whether we like it or not) we all share a disorder. Best Wishes, Arthur
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: : What are talking about Don? I’ve been practically : absent from the group (ASAP) for the last few weeks : for a variety of reasons; visiting friends, preparing : to move into my new home, and creating a new search : engine ("http://anxiety-panic.com") which happens to : feature much of the religious and spiritual things : that you claim people like me are against. Besides, : I stuck my neck out for you in this group several : years ago, and now you’re attacking me out-of-the-blue. : : I haven’t attacked you. I don’t recall ever : saying that you were for or against *anything*. : My point is valid: You picked a sentence or two : out of context of my reply to Jen, and attacked : me. And *how* have I attacked you here Don? : As for you "sticking your neck out", uh, : when was that? Was that before or after your : "asap trolls" website? Long before the so-called "trolls" site. I tried to organize a truce between you and others. I ended up looking foolish as a consequence, but others (like Gary Cooper, etc.) sympathized with my, perhaps, misguided fig leaf. And, now, you don’t even remember, or refuse to acknowledge. My heart hurts for you. : Anyway, I’m tired of this. You win. I honestly don’t care who "wins." – Arthur
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I’m with you, Jen. I took a break, hoping to come back refreshed and ready to help new people. Only to come back to more crap from hateful idiots. I just can’t handle all the extra stress, and maintain my sanity. In my opinion, the worst offenders are Don Harrold, Jeanflem, Ronsmary, Jeanflem, that horrid Eng Guy and Stealth. As soon as I post this, I am going to unsubscribe. Kiesha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, I realized late last night, that I was wasting my time here. Oh sure, there have been a few people that I have helped. And yes, I try to be supportive and positive. But, overall, most of what I have said might as well have been spoken to a brick wall. Those of you who are going to flame will do so, regardless of how much others of us try to convince you that it is counterproductive. And others, well, they’ll continue to try and be supportive, until they simply "burn out" due to all the "noise" from the flamers. So, here I sit. I had been working on flyers for a gubenartorial campaign that I am volunteering for, I have a curriculum to write for my daughter because I homeschool her, I need to get back into the gym and re-establish a healthy lifestyle that I have let slip in the past month, and basically, I have a life and need to live it. I have tried to be a voice of tolerance and support here. In many cases, I have gotten flamed for it. In other cases, people have agreed, but been afraid to say so in public, so they e-mailed me. Whatever. You al cansort it all out on your own. Basically, I’m tired of all the petty wars. I’m tired of the sick bastard Stealth is. I’m tired of people attacking Debbie and calling her an idiot simply because she’s not a highly educated person. I’m tired of Debbie flaming back. I’m tired of Mary, who has no reason to be here it seems other than to flame. Same goes for JeanFlem and Squinchy and Niceeguy and…well, you all now who they are. The "Noise" on the group vs the signal. IMO, the signal is getting drowned out more and more by the noise. And, it’s simply time for me to leave you all. There are many of you that I will always consider friends. You know who you are! And, there are others that I hope fall off the face of the earth as they really are not fit for human company. Guess that’s just people…. So, to my friends. Please e-mail me from time to time to let me know how you’re doing. It’s been fun and hurtful and heartbreaking and a lot of other things to have been here these last 16 months. Maybe I’ll drop in sometime later on down the line and see how things are. But for right now, I can’t spare the time and energy that this NG is taking away from my life. I wish you all peace, Jen
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:::A bunch of nonsense snipped::: My God, you are just so rich, woman. Who are you trying to kid? :::Wiping away tears of disbelief::: :::Coughing and spluttering into my hot co-co::: Your posts reads as if you feel the whole world and his wife has ganged up on you and reduced you to a frazzled wreck. Nobody has done anything of the sort. Do get over yourself, honey. In life, people frequently get what they deserve… so if you feel pissed off, mad, sickened and outraged by how someone is, then you need to explore within your own mind why you feel that way, rather than use these people, who basically are different from you (A real blessing – thank god!) as tools for your own dissatisfaction. You claim to have two degrees in psychology… not learnt much have we? The Nice Guy
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Arthur you are wasting your time with don. I have been here two months and have yet to see a post that remotely is positive. To me a troll is someone who fills his post with nonsense and hate, rather than their heart. Since I do not look for reasons to hate people, I have not searched the archives for hateful post by anyone, including Jen and yourself. The only thing I have witnessed is one group being trashed by trolls for no reason. I believe that the information you guys provide is good, impartial, and has heart. Therefore don’t waste your time on someone without a heart. d – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Arthur, : : (snip)… It’s amusing how you people reach (not Jen, : but *you*, Arthur) for anything to flame over. What are talking about Don? I’ve been practically absent from the group (ASAP) for the last few weeks for a variety of reasons; visiting friends, preparing to move into my new home, and creating a new search engine ("http://anxiety-panic.com") which happens to feature much of the religious and spiritual things that you claim people like me are against. Besides, I stuck my neck out for you in this group several years ago, and now you’re attacking me out-of-the-blue. You really puzzle me Don. – Arthur
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What are talking about Don? I’ve been practically absent from the group (ASAP) for the last few weeks for a variety of reasons; visiting friends, preparing to move into my new home, and creating a new search engine ("http://anxiety-panic.com") which happens to feature much of the religious and spiritual things that you claim people like me are against. Besides, I stuck my neck out for you in this group several years ago, and now you’re attacking me out-of-the-blue.
I haven’t attacked you. I don’t recall ever saying that you were for or against *anything*. My point is valid: You picked a sentence or two out of context of my reply to Jen, and attacked me. As for you "sticking your neck out", uh, when was that? Was that before or after your "asap trolls" website? Anyway, I’m tired of this. You win. Don – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You really puzzle me Don. – Arthur
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Jen, I certainly agree with your decision. There seems to be so little support here anymore and the group of posters won’t increase because all anyone gets to see is 95% flame wars and 5% support. I thank you for all of the help and support you have offered to everyone, especially me. thanks again, Tova
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: Arthur, : : (snip)… It’s amusing how you people reach (not Jen, : but *you*, Arthur) for anything to flame over. What are talking about Don? I’ve been practically absent from the group (ASAP) for the last few weeks for a variety of reasons; visiting friends, preparing to move into my new home, and creating a new search engine ("http://anxiety-panic.com") which happens to feature much of the religious and spiritual things that you claim people like me are against. Besides, I stuck my neck out for you in this group several years ago, and now you’re attacking me out-of-the-blue. You really puzzle me Don. – Arthur
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: Jen, : : I happen to agree with the thrust of : what you are saying. BUT, to argue that : you have been a voice of "toleration", is : a bit much. (snip) Oh, Geez, Don. Jen has been one of the most tolerant members of this group for quite a long time. It’s really sad that you’re taking a cheap shot at her now. – Arthur
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Arthur, If you consider attacking others, using foul language, and flames to be "tolerant", then so be it. It’s amusing how you people reach (not Jen, but *you*, Arthur) for anything to flame over. I took no "potshots" at Jen. She has flamed, and called for others to do so. I’m sure Jen will admit to that. I support her recent "moratorium" on flames, even if it only lasted a few posts… Don – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Jen, : : I happen to agree with the thrust of : what you are saying. BUT, to argue that : you have been a voice of "toleration", is : a bit much. (snip) Oh, Geez, Don. Jen has been one of the most tolerant members of this group for quite a long time. It’s really sad that you’re taking a cheap shot at her now. – Arthur
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Hi All, I realized late last night, that I was wasting my time here. Oh sure, there have been a few people that I have helped. And yes, I try to be supportive and positive. But, overall, most of what I have said might as well have been spoken to a brick wall.
<rest snipped for space Jen, Sorry you feel this way, but I understand completely. I’ve always enjoyed reading your positive support. I really have to limit my time to this NG because I am very busy in my job. When I’m not working, I’m trying to relax or play. Anyway, it probably would do some good if you took a break from the NG. The last thing you want is for this to *cause* added stress in your life. Take care and please visit from time to time. I don’t really keep up with the trolls of the NG, I guess because I don’t read enough. If you ever feel like talking I’m only an email away. Just didn’t want you to get away without thinking that there are those who appreciate your good, positive posts. John L.
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Jen, I happen to agree with the thrust of what you are saying. BUT, to argue that you have been a voice of "toleration", is a bit much. I don’t hold anything against you, and I think that people can certainly change – I know I’ve changed MANY times in my life. I hope you will reconsider some things you’ve said in this group. And, as I mentioned in another reply, I agree with you that there is WAY to much to do than flame back and forth. I would like to point out, though, that if you have opinions that you feel are valid, and you think should be heard in ASAP, then by all means post them. Don’t let flames push you out. My advice (for what it’s worth), is to take some time off from ASAP, get some more important stuff done, and then come back later to post more. You may find that some of your "enemies" are not *really* your enemies, and some of your "friends" look a little less friendly after some time away. Or, nothing may change at all. In any case, let me reiterate that although you and I are *obviously* on opposite sides of the "religious" fence, I support your right to post what you please, when you please. I just have objected to the personal attacks. Never say never, and I hope you will post again in the future if you feel the need! Don – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, I realized late last night, that I was wasting my time here. Oh sure, there have been a few people that I have helped. And yes, I try to be supportive and positive. But, overall, most of what I have said might as well have been spoken to a brick wall. Those of you who are going to flame will do so, regardless of how much others of us try to convince you that it is counterproductive. And others, well, they’ll continue to try and be supportive, until they simply "burn out" due to all the "noise" from the flamers. So, here I sit. I had been working on flyers for a gubenartorial campaign that I am volunteering for, I have a curriculum to write for my daughter because I homeschool her, I need to get back into the gym and re-establish a healthy lifestyle that I have let slip in the past month, and basically, I have a life and need to live it. I have tried to be a voice of tolerance and support here. In many cases, I have gotten flamed for it. In other cases, people have agreed, but been afraid to say so in public, so they e-mailed me. Whatever. You al cansort it all out on your own. Basically, I’m tired of all the petty wars. I’m tired of the sick bastard Stealth is. I’m tired of people attacking Debbie and calling her an idiot simply because she’s not a highly educated person. I’m tired of Debbie flaming back. I’m tired of Mary, who has no reason to be here it seems other than to flame. Same goes for JeanFlem and Squinchy and Niceeguy and…well, you all now who they are. The "Noise" on the group vs the signal. IMO, the signal is getting drowned out more and more by the noise. And, it’s simply time for me to leave you all. There are many of you that I will always consider friends. You know who you are! And, there are others that I hope fall off the face of the earth as they really are not fit for human company. Guess that’s just people…. So, to my friends. Please e-mail me from time to time to let me know how you’re doing. It’s been fun and hurtful and heartbreaking and a lot of other things to have been here these last 16 months. Maybe I’ll drop in sometime later on down the line and see how things are. But for right now, I can’t spare the time and energy that this NG is taking away from my life. I wish you all peace, Jen
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Hi All, I realized late last night, that I was wasting my time here. Oh sure, there have been a few people that I have helped. And yes, I try to be supportive and positive. But, overall, most of what I have said might as well have been spoken to a brick wall. Those of you who are going to flame will do so, regardless of how much others of us try to convince you that it is counterproductive. And others, well, they’ll continue to try and be supportive, until they simply "burn out" due to all the "noise" from the flamers. So, here I sit. I had been working on flyers for a gubenartorial campaign that I am volunteering for, I have a curriculum to write for my daughter because I homeschool her, I need to get back into the gym and re-establish a healthy lifestyle that I have let slip in the past month, and basically, I have a life and need to live it. I have tried to be a voice of tolerance and support here. In many cases, I have gotten flamed for it. In other cases, people have agreed, but been afraid to say so in public, so they e-mailed me. Whatever. You al cansort it all out on your own. Basically, I’m tired of all the petty wars. I’m tired of the sick bastard Stealth is. I’m tired of people attacking Debbie and calling her an idiot simply because she’s not a highly educated person. I’m tired of Debbie flaming back. I’m tired of Mary, who has no reason to be here it seems other than to flame. Same goes for JeanFlem and Squinchy and Niceeguy and…well, you all now who they are. The "Noise" on the group vs the signal. IMO, the signal is getting drowned out more and more by the noise. And, it’s simply time for me to leave you all. There are many of you that I will always consider friends. You know who you are! And, there are others that I hope fall off the face of the earth as they really are not fit for human company. Guess that’s just people…. So, to my friends. Please e-mail me from time to time to let me know how you’re doing. It’s been fun and hurtful and heartbreaking and a lot of other things to have been here these last 16 months. Maybe I’ll drop in sometime later on down the line and see how things are. But for right now, I can’t spare the time and energy that this NG is taking away from my life. I wish you all peace, Jen
