Hello ASAPM, can a host of physical ailments = anxiety?

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Wow, thanks guys.  Super helpful, and much much appreciated. Happy holidays Marie — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi. From my experience, I can say that a host of physical symptoms can be

related to an anxiety disorder. You should definitely look into it. Best wishes! -z-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings all.  I am interested in your layperson’s diagnostic opinions, as I find experience much more helpful than clinical analysis in some areas. For 6 years I’ve had health issues and untold diagnostics.  What I DON’T have is diabetes, a spinal leak, a heart problem, adrenal insuffiency, thryoid disease, b-12 deficiency, rheumatoid arthritis, lyme disease, or sleep apnea… the list goes on.  What I DO feel nearly every day is extremely "yucky" when I wake up — dizzy, a bit nauseated, and working on a whopper of a headache.  Sometimes I can avoid the headache but any activity where I move around a lot or have to rush around to get ready = banger of a headache. I’ve been diagnosed with migraines over the years but the triptans only sort of work and the preventives only sort of work.  It ALWAYS comes back. Add to this that I *never* *ever* sleep soundly and always have tortured dreams (you know, where you’re supposed to be getting something done for work but can’t find the right stuff to do it, or your car brakes won’t work, or you run into your ex, or you’re working on that proposal for work you’re not done with).  The only truly good sleep I’ve had in YEARS is medicated — like after a spinal proceudre at the hospital where I got Ativan or after an MRI where they give you Versed via IV.  Ahhhhh. I looked up the symptoms of GAD yesterday because both my father and I have these "tortured dreams" all the time and I was AMAZED at how many of the GAD symptoms sound like my mysterious ailment.  Not only irritability and headaches but also having to pee all the time!!  (Who knew?!)  And I *do* worry about stuff a lot — I have three part time jobs and am incapable of not overcommitting myself and I’m always stressed about finishing this project or that project, but then I feel SO HORRIBLE during the day, headachey, nauseated, and unable to concentrate, that I just get further behind at work.  And sometimes the SMALLEST thing will irritate the crud out of me. So… what do you guys think?  Could this be General Anxiety Disorder?  I’ve been searching so long for a purely physical (non- neurochemical) answer I never thought to connect the symptoms to my "normal personality". Would love your feedback, thanks so much for your time and patience, Marie

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<gently snipped :: And I *do* worry about stuff a lot — I have three part time ::jobs and am incapable of not overcommitting myself and I’m always ::stressed about finishing this project or that project, but then I feel ::SO HORRIBLE during the day, headachey, nauseated, and unable to ::concentrate, that I just get further behind at work.  And sometimes ::the SMALLEST thing will irritate the crud out of me. Dear Marie, Welcome to ASAPM!! Yes, physical ailments can be anxiety related. It’s quite common for people with an anxiety disorder to think they are actually suffering from some sort of physical disorder. From your description it does sound like you may have an anxiety disorder. Since it seems you have ruled out psych doctor and/or psychologist. They are the ones that can diagnosis you for sure. You don’t have to suffer like this anymore. This are effective treatments for anxiety disorders. Here is some info on GAD including some self-tests. http://panicdisorder.about.com/od/gadbasics/a/quizgad.htm http://panicdisorder.about.com/od/gad/Generalized_Anxiety_Disorder.htm http://gad.about.com/ http://gad.about.com/od/symptoms/a/dsmiv.htm Good luck! Jackie ~*~"Strange, isn’t it? "Each man’s life touches so many other lives, and when he isn’t around he leaves an awful hole, doesn’t he?"~*~   ~ Clarence ~ George Bailey’s Guardian Angel from the film, "It’s a Wonderful Life" — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Greetings all.  I am interested in your layperson’s diagnostic opinions, as I find experience much more helpful than clinical analysis in some areas. For 6 years I’ve had health issues and untold diagnostics.  What I DON’T have is diabetes, a spinal leak, a heart problem, adrenal insuffiency, thryoid disease, b-12 deficiency, rheumatoid arthritis, lyme disease, or sleep apnea… the list goes on.  What I DO feel nearly every day is extremely "yucky" when I wake up — dizzy, a bit nauseated, and working on a whopper of a headache.  Sometimes I can avoid the headache but any activity where I move around a lot or have to rush around to get ready = banger of a headache. I’ve been diagnosed with migraines over the years but the triptans only sort of work and the preventives only sort of work.  It ALWAYS comes back. Add to this that I *never* *ever* sleep soundly and always have tortured dreams (you know, where you’re supposed to be getting something done for work but can’t find the right stuff to do it, or your car brakes won’t work, or you run into your ex, or you’re working on that proposal for work you’re not done with).  The only truly good sleep I’ve had in YEARS is medicated — like after a spinal proceudre at the hospital where I got Ativan or after an MRI where they give you Versed via IV.  Ahhhhh. I looked up the symptoms of GAD yesterday because both my father and I have these "tortured dreams" all the time and I was AMAZED at how many of the GAD symptoms sound like my mysterious ailment.  Not only irritability and headaches but also having to pee all the time!!  (Who knew?!)  And I *do* worry about stuff a lot — I have three part time jobs and am incapable of not overcommitting myself and I’m always stressed about finishing this project or that project, but then I feel SO HORRIBLE during the day, headachey, nauseated, and unable to concentrate, that I just get further behind at work.  And sometimes the SMALLEST thing will irritate the crud out of me. So… what do you guys think?  Could this be General Anxiety Disorder?  I’ve been searching so long for a purely physical (non- neurochemical) answer I never thought to connect the symptoms to my "normal personality". Would love your feedback, thanks so much for your time and patience, Marie — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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OT:*Bonus* Question of the day…. 10/08/07

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10/08/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own Arthur   If you created a video game that accurately portrayed your anxiety disorder experiences, what would that game be like? Jackie ~*~You all laugh at me because I’m different, I laugh at you because you’re all the same~*~    ~John Davis~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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10/08/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own Arthur If you created a video game that accurately portrayed your anxiety disorder experiences, what would that game be like?

The other players would all be hidden behind anonymous identities, and they would constantly change the rules, and I’d be the only one who wasn’t informed of the changes. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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10/08/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own Arthur If you created a video game that accurately portrayed your anxiety disorder experiences, what would that game be like? Jackie ~*~You all laugh at me because I’m different, I laugh at you because you’re all the same~*~    ~John Davis~

Dunno, but it would include a lot of running for safety from mostly imagined threats. I don’t think people would enjoy playing my game very much. I’m sick of it myself. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 10/08/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own Arthur If you created a video game that accurately portrayed your anxiety disorder experiences, what would that game be like? Jackie ~*~You all laugh at me because I’m different, I laugh at you because    you’re all the same~*~ ~John Davis~ Dunno, but it would include a lot of running for safety from mostly imagined threats. I don’t think people would enjoy playing my game very much. I’m sick of it myself. Sally

I can definitely relate to that, Sally. kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Running, hiding, maybe I’d blow up at times when the anxiety was too high, dodging ramps to interstates… smiles, Elise

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If you created a video game that accurately portrayed your anxiety disorder experiences, what would that game be like?

        Sort of like Doom.  Demons and bad guys may or may not lurk around each corner, some that look real aren’t, never sure of which ones are and aren’t…  Never sure of ammo level….  Yuck.  Not a fun game.   Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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OT:Question of the day…. 08/25/07

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08/25/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own mystery poster   Would you say your anxiety disorder is adequately controlled or is there room for improvement? Jackie ~*~Sit and daydream, and watch the changing color of the waves that break upon the idle seashore of the mind~*~  ~~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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08/25/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own mystery poster   Would you say your anxiety disorder is adequately controlled or is there room for improvement?

Lot’s of room for improvement! Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Room for MUCH improvement.  :-( Di

08/25/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own mystery poster Would you say your anxiety disorder is adequately controlled or is there room for improvement? Jackie

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08/25/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own mystery poster Would you say your anxiety disorder is adequately controlled or is there room for improvement? Jackie ~*~Sit and daydream, and watch the changing color of the waves that break upon the idle seashore of the mind~*~  ~~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow,

There is only a little room for improvement.  Klonopin and Inderal keep my anxiety 90% under control. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Would you say your anxiety disorder is adequately controlled or is there room for improvement? At this time there is room for improvement. Jackie ~*~Sit and daydream, and watch the changing color of the waves that break upon the idle seashore of the mind~*~  ~~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I see a room for improvement.  Still living with underlying anxiety and my fear of driving. smiles, Elise

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::Would you say your anxiety disorder is adequately controlled or is there room for improvement? At this time there is room for improvement. Jackie ~*~Sit and daydream, and watch the changing color of the waves that break upon the idle seashore of the mind~*~  ~~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow,

hello Jackie do you still have the anxious feelings ? Still on 12.5 mg paroxetine ? Love from Anna — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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08/25/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own mystery poster   Would you say your anxiety disorder is adequately controlled or is there room for improvement? Jackie ~*~Sit and daydream, and watch the changing color of the waves that break upon the idle seashore of the mind~*~  ~~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow,

I am content I am so much better than 10 years ago ! Or for all of my life so : I take the little bad with the much good ATM much love from Anna — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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08/25/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own mystery poster Would you say your anxiety disorder is adequately controlled or is there room for improvement?

It is better than it was but there is a lot of room for improvement. — Ron P Member of the invisible generation — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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08/25/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own mystery poster Would you say your anxiety disorder is adequately controlled or is there room for improvement? Jackie ~*~Sit and daydream, and watch the changing color of the waves that break upon the idle seashore of the mind~*~  ~~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow,

Tons of room to improve.      Rob — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Would you say your anxiety disorder is adequately controlled or is there room for improvement?

        Lots of room for improvement. Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::hello Jackie do you still have the anxious feelings ? ::Still on 12.5 mg paroxetine ? Hi Miss Anna, I’m having some issues with my thyroid which is causing a lot of anxiety. I had to increase my dose of Paxil to 20 mgs a few weeks ago. The increase has helped Jackie ~*~Sit and daydream, and watch the changing color of the waves that break upon the idle seashore of the mind~*~  ~~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Miss Anna, I’m having some issues with my thyroid which is causing a lot of anxiety. I had to increase my dose of Paxil to 20 mgs a few weeks ago. The increase has helped

I am glad the minor increase helped you Thyroid problems can cuase severe anxiety ! Which all together is BLAAAAAAAAAAA Wishing you anxiety free times to come ! Love from Anna — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Support needed…….

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Oh my goodness Jackie! Weren’t you Hypothyroid? Oops sorry just reread your post. I guess this is why docs monitor our Thyroid function so closely. Just keep reminding yourself that you’ll feel better in a few days. Thyroid problems can really screw us up baby. (((((Jackie))))) Love Cathy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Friends, On June 21 st, I had a nasty panic attack while taking a shower. I tried to shrug it off as just one of those things. On June 23rd, I suffered another panic attack while laying down watching tv. I noticed my heart was beating very fast. Again, I try to shrug it off. On the 24th, I was experiencing a lot of free floating anxiety. Went to work on the 25th and experienced a panic attack. My heart was racing, I felt confused and my blood sugar was through the roof. I finished my shift, drove home in a anxiety-induced daze and suffered another panic attack in the shower. This has been my life since June 22nd. I have pushed myself to do everything that needed to be done, work, shopping and doctor appts. All my physical symptoms, like severe diarrhea, no appetite, losing 14 pounds in 3 weeks, insane sweating, tremors, shaky legs, hair loss, fasting blood sugars reaching as high as 200, sensitivity to light, irritibility……like wanting to scream at the singing birds in the morning and feeling like I was living in a fog……were all attributed to anxiety!! Quess what? I found out that my thyroid is moderately hyper!!! Hopefully in a few days I’ll be feeling more like myself from reducing my Synthroid. Support and reassurances will be greatly appreciated! Jackie "Be Who You Are.. And Say What You Feel.. Because Those Who Mind Don’t Matter.. And Those That Matter Don’t Mind…"   ~~ Dr. Seuss — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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fog……were all attributed to anxiety!! Quess what? I found out that my thyroid is moderately hyper!!! Hopefully in a few days I’ll be feeling more like myself from reducing my Synthroid. Support and reassurances will be greatly appreciated!

        Hi Jackie!  I’m glad you found out what the problem was.  Perhaps I shouldn’t say it, but maybe it’s better that it’s a physical problem like that.  I often feel that sort of thing is easier to manage than an anxiety problem.   Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Friends, On June 21 st, I had a nasty panic attack while taking a shower. I tried to shrug it off as just one of those things. On June 23rd, I suffered another panic attack while laying down watching tv. I noticed my heart was beating very fast. Again, I try to shrug it off. On the 24th, I was experiencing a lot of free floating anxiety. Went to work on the 25th and experienced a panic attack. My heart was racing, I felt confused and my blood sugar was through the roof. I finished my shift, drove home in a anxiety-induced daze and suffered another panic attack in the shower. This has been my life since June 22nd. I have pushed myself to do everything that needed to be done, work, shopping and doctor appts. All my physical symptoms, like severe diarrhea, no appetite, losing 14 pounds in 3 weeks, insane sweating, tremors, shaky legs, hair loss, fasting blood sugars reaching as high as 200, sensitivity to light, irritibility……like wanting to scream at the singing birds in the morning and feeling like I was living in a fog……were all attributed to anxiety!! Quess what? I found out that my thyroid is moderately hyper!!! Hopefully in a few days I’ll be feeling more like myself from reducing my Synthroid. Support and reassurances will be greatly appreciated!

It is a good thing that you found out what was causing this awful experience! I hope that you will be feeling better soon. ((((((((((((Jackie))))))))))))) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Good luck, Jackie!  I’m glad you found a concrete explanation for this already.  It must have been like a nightmare! Be well. — _TJ_ <TJ_IREL at YAHOO dot IE – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Friends, On June 21 st, I had a nasty panic attack while taking a shower. I tried to shrug it off as just one of those things. On June 23rd, I suffered another panic attack while laying down watching tv. I noticed my heart was beating very fast. Again, I try to shrug it off. On the 24th, I was experiencing a lot of free floating anxiety. Went to work on the 25th and experienced a panic attack. My heart was racing, I felt confused and my blood sugar was through the roof. I finished my shift, drove home in a anxiety-induced daze and suffered another panic attack in the shower. This has been my life since June 22nd. I have pushed myself to do everything that needed to be done, work, shopping and doctor appts. All my physical symptoms, like severe diarrhea, no appetite, losing 14 pounds in 3 weeks, insane sweating, tremors, shaky legs, hair loss, fasting blood sugars reaching as high as 200, sensitivity to light, irritibility……like wanting to scream at the singing birds in the morning and feeling like I was living in a fog……were all attributed to anxiety!! Quess what? I found out that my thyroid is moderately hyper!!! Hopefully in a few days I’ll be feeling more like myself from reducing my Synthroid. Support and reassurances will be greatly appreciated! Jackie "Be Who You Are.. And Say What You Feel.. Because Those Who Mind Don’t Matter.. And Those That Matter Don’t Mind…"   ~~ Dr. Seuss — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Take care of yourself (((Jackie))) Chip Hi Friends, On June 21 st, I had a nasty panic attack while taking a shower. I tried to shrug it off as just one of those things. On June 23rd, I suffered another panic attack while laying down watching tv. I noticed my heart was beating very fast. Again, I try to shrug it off. On the 24th, I was experiencing a lot of free floating anxiety. Went to work on the 25th and experienced a panic attack. My heart was racing, I felt confused and my blood sugar was through the roof. I finished my shift, drove home in a anxiety-induced daze and suffered another panic attack in the shower. This has been my life since June 22nd. I have pushed myself to do everything that needed to be done, work, shopping and doctor appts. All my physical symptoms, like severe diarrhea, no appetite, losing 14 pounds in 3 weeks, insane sweating, tremors, shaky legs, hair loss, fasting blood sugars reaching as high as 200, sensitivity to light, irritibility……like wanting to scream at the singing birds in the morning and feeling like I was living in a fog……were all attributed to anxiety!! Quess what? I found out that my thyroid is moderately hyper!!! Hopefully in a few days I’ll be feeling more like myself from reducing my Synthroid. Support and reassurances will be greatly appreciated! Jackie "Be Who You Are.. And Say What You Feel.. Because Those Who Mind Don’t Matter.. And Those That Matter Don’t Mind…"    ~~ Dr. Seuss — The charter is available at:http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm — The charter is available at:http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

sorry to hear that you’ve been going through this. the good thing is that you hopefully found what may have been causing these attacks….the thyroid being off.  i know when im physically off that panic can be triggered also.  hang in there …wishing you the best russ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::sorry to hear that you’ve been going through this. the good thing is ::that you hopefully found what may have been causing these ::attacks….the thyroid being off.  i know when im physically off that ::panic can be triggered also.  hang in there …wishing you the best Thanks for your kind words. (((((Russ))))) Jackie ~*~I have seen the sea when it is stormy and wild; when it is quiet and serene; when it is dark and moody. And in all its moods, I see myself~*~      ~~Martin Buxbaum — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::I am so very sorry about this. You have all of my support. I hope that ::the reduction in the Synthoid is what you need to help you feel more ::like yourself. This is sad, I know anxiety is cyclical, but my mind ::doesn’t want to accept that. I do hope this has an underlying physical ::cause that can be addressed and fixed – You need to speak up sooner – ::suffering in silence does not work very well – not for me, anyway. ::Please let us know how you are doing and if there is anything we can ::do for you. We care. Thanks (((((Sally))))) for your kind thoughts and support. Jackie ~*~I have seen the sea when it is stormy and wild; when it is quiet and serene; when it is dark and moody. And in all its moods, I see myself~*~      ~~Martin Buxbaum — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Good luck, Jackie!  I’m glad you found a concrete explanation ::for this already.  It must have been like a nightmare! Thanks (((((TJ))))) The best thing I can do is not talk about it and move on…… and that is exactly what I plan to do Jackie ~*~I have seen the sea when it is stormy and wild; when it is quiet and serene; when it is dark and moody. And in all its moods, I see myself~*~      ~~Martin Buxbaum — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::I’m sorry you have been through all this but I’m glad a cause was found. ::  Hang tight until the med change works. I’m hanging tight I’m trying to take it one day at a time. A little Xanax will make the waiting a little bit easier Oh hail the benzo gods (((((WB Man))))) ::Oh!  And I finally copied, printed and hung the below in my office. ::It’s so true! So cool! Jackie ~*~I have seen the sea when it is stormy and wild; when it is quiet and serene; when it is dark and moody. And in all its moods, I see myself~*~      ~~Martin Buxbaum — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Dear Jacky :: ::I wish I could hold you in my arms, the same as I do with my children. You brought tears to my eyes. Thank you! (((((Diana))))) Jackie ~*~I have seen the sea when it is stormy and wild; when it is quiet and serene; when it is dark and moody. And in all its moods, I see myself~*~      ~~Martin Buxbaum — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Dear Jackie, Sorry to hear you are going through a bad spell. You help so ::many others here. I hope you are doing better by now. But good you found out ::was causing it. ::Best wishes. Thanks (((((Mary))))) for your support and kind words. Jackie ~*~I have seen the sea when it is stormy and wild; when it is quiet and serene; when it is dark and moody. And in all its moods, I see myself~*~      ~~Martin Buxbaum — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Oh my goodness Jackie! Weren’t you Hypothyroid? Oops sorry just reread your ::post. I guess this is why docs monitor our Thyroid function so closely. ::Just keep reminding yourself that you’ll feel better in a few days. Thyroid ::problems can really screw us up baby. It’s going to take a few weeks. Patient I am NOT! Thyroid problems suck big time! Thanks for your support. (((((Cathy))))) Jackie ~*~I have seen the sea when it is stormy and wild; when it is quiet and serene; when it is dark and moody. And in all its moods, I see myself~*~      ~~Martin Buxbaum — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::You’re in my thoughts and prayers.  I hope you feel better real soon. Thanks Di! It’s comforting to know I’m in your thoughts and prayers. Thank you! (((((Di))))) Jackie ~*~I have seen the sea when it is stormy and wild; when it is quiet and serene; when it is dark and moody. And in all its moods, I see myself~*~      ~~Martin Buxbaum — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::anyway, how supportive can a person be thru email or posting other than ::contributing positive thots , energy, how the saying goes???? :: ::if thats what peple need or want, thats what i can offer, as everyone ::should…wordy, but Thanks (((((Victoria))))) for your support and sweet words. Jackie ~*~I have seen the sea when it is stormy and wild; when it is quiet and serene; when it is dark and moody. And in all its moods, I see myself~*~      ~~Martin Buxbaum — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::      Hi Jackie!  I’m glad you found out what the problem was.  Perhaps I ::shouldn’t say it, but maybe it’s better that it’s a physical problem like ::that.  I often feel that sort of thing is easier to manage than an anxiety ::problem.   When I was told on Monday that my thyroid was hyper……I was thrilled. The problem is hyper symptoms are very similar to anxiety. Also, a hyperthyroid can trigger anxiety, panic and depression. Thanks for your support. (((((Dennis))))) Jackie ~*~I have seen the sea when it is stormy and wild; when it is quiet and serene; when it is dark and moody. And in all its moods, I see myself~*~      ~~Martin Buxbaum — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Friends, On June 21 st, I had a nasty panic attack while taking a shower. I tried to shrug it off as just one of those things. On June 23rd, I suffered another panic attack while laying down watching tv. I noticed my heart was beating very fast. Again, I try to shrug it off. On the 24th, I was experiencing a lot of free floating anxiety. Went to work on the 25th and experienced a panic attack. My heart was racing, I felt confused and my blood sugar was through the roof. I finished my shift, drove home in a anxiety-induced daze and suffered another panic attack in the shower. This has been my life since June 22nd. I have pushed myself to do everything that needed to be done, work, shopping and doctor appts. All my physical symptoms, like severe diarrhea, no appetite, losing 14 pounds in 3 weeks, insane sweating, tremors, shaky legs, hair loss, fasting blood sugars reaching as high as 200, sensitivity to light, irritibility……like wanting to scream at the singing birds in the morning and feeling like I was living in a fog……were all attributed to anxiety!! Quess what? I found out that my thyroid is moderately hyper!!! Hopefully in a few days I’ll be feeling more like myself from reducing my Synthroid. Support and reassurances will be greatly appreciated!

Dear Jackie, Sorry to hear you are going through a bad spell. You help so many others here. I hope you are doing better by now. But good you found out was causing it. Best wishes. Mary — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Friends, On June 21 st, I had a nasty panic attack while taking a shower. I tried to shrug it off as just one of those things. On June 23rd, I suffered another panic attack while laying down watching tv. I noticed my heart was beating very fast. Again, I try to shrug it off. On the 24th, I was experiencing a lot of free floating anxiety. Went to work on the 25th and experienced a panic attack. My heart was racing, I felt confused and my blood sugar was through the roof. I finished my shift, drove home in a anxiety-induced daze and suffered another panic attack in the shower. This has been my life since June 22nd. I have pushed myself to do everything that needed to be done, work, shopping and doctor appts. All my physical symptoms, like severe diarrhea, no appetite, losing 14 pounds in 3 weeks, insane sweating, tremors, shaky legs, hair loss, fasting blood sugars reaching as high as 200, sensitivity to light, irritibility……like wanting to scream at the singing birds in the morning and feeling like I was living in a fog……were all attributed to anxiety!! Quess what? I found out that my thyroid is moderately hyper!!! Hopefully in a few days I’ll be feeling more like myself from reducing my Synthroid. Support and reassurances will be greatly appreciated! Jackie

Hi Jackie, Great that you found a cause for your elevated symptoms! Goes to show how very important good diagnosis is, since so many of our symptoms can be easily dismissed as anxiety attacks. I sweat like crazy in the summer, get hypersensitive, muscle tics or tremors, often have anxiety in the shower, etc., but my blood tests are normal so pretty sure it’s anxiety disorder in my case. Very Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Friends, On June 21 st, I had a nasty panic attack while taking a shower. I tried to shrug it off as just one of those things. On June 23rd, I suffered another panic attack while laying down watching tv. I noticed my heart was beating very fast. Again, I try to shrug it off. On the 24th, I was experiencing a lot of free floating anxiety. Went to work on the 25th and experienced a panic attack. My heart was racing, I felt confused and my blood sugar was through the roof. I finished my shift, drove home in a anxiety-induced daze and suffered another panic attack in the shower. This has been my life since June 22nd. I have pushed myself to do everything that needed to be done, work, shopping and doctor appts. All my physical symptoms, like severe diarrhea, no appetite, losing 14 pounds in 3 weeks, insane sweating, tremors, shaky legs, hair loss, fasting blood sugars reaching as high as 200, sensitivity to light, irritibility……like wanting to scream at the singing birds in the morning and feeling like I was living in a fog……were all attributed to anxiety!! Quess what? I found out that my thyroid is moderately hyper!!! Hopefully in a few days I’ll be feeling more like myself from reducing my Synthroid. Support and reassurances will be greatly appreciated! Jackie

Oh (((((Jackie)))) I am so very sorry about this. You have all of my support. I hope that the reduction in the Synthoid is what you need to help you feel more like yourself. This is sad, I know anxiety is cyclical, but my mind doesn’t want to accept that. I do hope this has an underlying physical cause that can be addressed and fixed – You need to speak up sooner – suffering in silence does not work very well – not for me, anyway. Please let us know how you are doing and if there is anything we can do for you. We care. Love, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Friends, On June 21 st, I had a nasty panic attack while taking a shower. I tried to shrug it off as just one of those things. On June 23rd, I suffered another panic attack while laying down watching tv. I noticed my heart was beating very fast. Again, I try to shrug it off. On the 24th, I was experiencing a lot of free floating anxiety. Went to work on the 25th and experienced a panic attack. My heart was racing, I felt confused and my blood sugar was through the roof. I finished my shift, drove home in a anxiety-induced daze and suffered another panic attack in the shower. This has been my life since June 22nd. I have pushed myself to do everything that needed to be done, work, shopping and doctor appts. All my physical symptoms, like severe diarrhea, no appetite, losing 14 pounds in 3 weeks, insane sweating, tremors, shaky legs, hair loss, fasting blood sugars reaching as high as 200, sensitivity to light, irritibility……like wanting to scream at the singing birds in the morning and feeling like I was living in a fog……were all attributed to anxiety!! Quess what? I found out that my thyroid is moderately hyper!!! Hopefully in a few days I’ll be feeling more like myself from reducing my Synthroid. Support and reassurances will be greatly appreciated!

I’m sorry you have been through all this but I’m glad a cause was found.   Hang tight until the med change works. ((((((Jackie)))))) Oh!  And I finally copied, printed and hung the below in my office. It’s so true! "Be Who You Are.. And Say What You Feel.. Because Those Who Mind Don’t Matter.. And Those That Matter Don’t Mind…"    ~~ Dr. Seuss

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Dear Jacky I wish I could hold you in my arms, the same as I do with my children. Love Diana – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Friends, On June 21 st, I had a nasty panic attack while taking a shower. I tried to shrug it off as just one of those things. On June 23rd, I suffered another panic attack while laying down watching tv. I noticed my heart was beating very fast. Again, I try to shrug it off. On the 24th, I was experiencing a lot of free floating anxiety. Went to work on the 25th and experienced a panic attack. My heart was racing, I felt confused and my blood sugar was through the roof. I finished my shift, drove home in a anxiety-induced daze and suffered another panic attack in the shower. This has been my life since June 22nd. I have pushed myself to do everything that needed to be done, work, shopping and doctor appts. All my physical symptoms, like severe diarrhea, no appetite, losing 14 pounds in 3 weeks, insane sweating, tremors, shaky legs, hair loss, fasting blood sugars reaching as high as 200, sensitivity to light, irritibility……like wanting to scream at the singing birds in the morning and feeling like I was living in a fog……were all attributed to anxiety!! Quess what? I found out that my thyroid is moderately hyper!!! Hopefully in a few days I’ll be feeling more like myself from reducing my Synthroid. Support and reassurances will be greatly appreciated! Jackie "Be Who You Are.. And Say What You Feel.. Because Those Who Mind Don’t Matter.. And Those That Matter Don’t Mind…"   ~~ Dr. Seuss — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Take care of yourself (((Jackie))) Chip

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Friends, On June 21 st, I had a nasty panic attack while taking a shower. I tried to shrug it off as just one of those things. On June 23rd, I suffered another panic attack while laying down watching tv. I noticed my heart was beating very fast. Again, I try to shrug it off. On the 24th, I was experiencing a lot of free floating anxiety. Went to work on the 25th and experienced a panic attack. My heart was racing, I felt confused and my blood sugar was through the roof. I finished my shift, drove home in a anxiety-induced daze and suffered another panic attack in the shower. This has been my life since June 22nd. I have pushed myself to do everything that needed to be done, work, shopping and doctor appts. All my physical symptoms, like severe diarrhea, no appetite, losing 14 pounds in 3 weeks, insane sweating, tremors, shaky legs, hair loss, fasting blood sugars reaching as high as 200, sensitivity to light, irritibility……like wanting to scream at the singing birds in the morning and feeling like I was living in a fog……were all attributed to anxiety!! Quess what? I found out that my thyroid is moderately hyper!!! Hopefully in a few days I’ll be feeling more like myself from reducing my Synthroid. Support and reassurances will be greatly appreciated! Jackie "Be Who You Are.. And Say What You Feel.. Because Those Who Mind Don’t Matter.. And Those That Matter Don’t Mind…"    ~~ Dr. Seuss — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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jackie, thot i had a question to submit , forgot it already…. anyway, how supportive can a person be thru email or posting other than contributing positive thots , energy, how the saying goes???? if thats what peple need or want, thats what i can offer, as everyone should…wordy, but i know what its like to feel that way, ; remember reading in the thyroid website about the s;ymptoms of hyperthyroidism and how people can confuse those symtoms with heart problems. this is the first time i have heard of someone having a panic attack while sitting or laying down. glad to hear you mite be feeling better and asking for support. ~v~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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You’re in my thoughts and prayers.  I hope you feel better real soon. Love, Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Friends, On June 21 st, I had a nasty panic attack while taking a shower. I tried to shrug it off as just one of those things. On June 23rd, I suffered another panic attack while laying down watching tv. I noticed my heart was beating very fast. Again, I try to shrug it off. On the 24th, I was experiencing a lot of free floating anxiety. Went to work on the 25th and experienced a panic attack. My heart was racing, I felt confused and my blood sugar was through the roof. I finished my shift, drove home in a anxiety-induced daze and suffered another panic attack in the shower. This has been my life since June 22nd. I have pushed myself to do everything that needed to be done, work, shopping and doctor appts. All my physical symptoms, like severe diarrhea, no appetite, losing 14 pounds in 3 weeks, insane sweating, tremors, shaky legs, hair loss, fasting blood sugars reaching as high as 200, sensitivity to light, irritibility……like wanting to scream at the singing birds in the morning and feeling like I was living in a fog……were all attributed to anxiety!! Quess what? I found out that my thyroid is moderately hyper!!! Hopefully in a few days I’ll be feeling more like myself from reducing my Synthroid. Support and reassurances will be greatly appreciated! Jackie

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Hi, Jackie, I’m sure this was all very frightening for you.  So much of it sounds like anxiety-related symptoms.  Glad you had this checked out and hoping that the reduction in your Synthroid puts you back into a more normal existence. Wishing you a more peaceful and calmer day knowing what the problem is… smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Friends, On June 21 st, I had a nasty panic attack while taking a shower. I tried to shrug it off as just one of those things. On June 23rd, I suffered another panic attack while laying down watching tv. I noticed my heart was beating very fast. Again, I try to shrug it off. On the 24th, I was experiencing a lot of free floating anxiety. Went to work on the 25th and experienced a panic attack. My heart was racing, I felt confused and my blood sugar was through the roof. I finished my shift, drove home in a anxiety-induced daze and suffered another panic attack in the shower. This has been my life since June 22nd. I have pushed myself to do everything that needed to be done, work, shopping and doctor appts. All my physical symptoms, like severe diarrhea, no appetite, losing 14 pounds in 3 weeks, insane sweating, tremors, shaky legs, hair loss, fasting blood sugars reaching as high as 200, sensitivity to light, irritibility……like wanting to scream at the singing birds in the morning and feeling like I was living in a fog……were all attributed to anxiety!! Quess what? I found out that my thyroid is moderately hyper!!! Hopefully in a few days I’ll be feeling more like myself from reducing my Synthroid. Support and reassurances will be greatly appreciated! Jackie "Be Who You Are.. And Say What You Feel.. Because Those Who Mind Don’t Matter.. And Those That Matter Don’t Mind…"   ~~ Dr. Seuss — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Friends, On June 21 st, I had a nasty panic attack while taking a shower. I tried to shrug it off as just one of those things. On June 23rd, I suffered another panic attack while laying down watching tv. I noticed my heart was beating very fast. Again, I try to shrug it off. On the 24th, I was experiencing a lot of free floating anxiety. Went to work on the 25th and experienced a panic attack. My heart was racing, I felt confused and my blood sugar was through the roof. I finished my shift, drove home in a anxiety-induced daze and suffered another panic attack in the shower. This has been my life since June 22nd. I have pushed myself to do everything that needed to be done, work, shopping and doctor appts. All my physical symptoms, like severe diarrhea, no appetite, losing 14 pounds in 3 weeks, insane sweating, tremors, shaky legs, hair loss, fasting blood sugars reaching as high as 200, sensitivity to light, irritibility……like wanting to scream at the singing birds in the morning and feeling like I was living in a fog……were all attributed to anxiety!! Quess what? I found out that my thyroid is moderately hyper!!! Hopefully in a few days I’ll be feeling more like myself from reducing my Synthroid. Support and reassurances will be greatly appreciated! Jackie "Be Who You Are.. And Say What You Feel.. Because Those Who Mind Don’t Matter.. And Those That Matter Don’t Mind…"    ~~ Dr. Seuss — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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fear of isolation

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I developed a serious case of social/general anxiety disorder after living a life of intense isolation for several years. I’ve since made progress with my anxiety with the help of cognitive therapy however one area I have not been able to make much progress on is my fear of isolation. The panic is trigged when i’m home alone for an extended period of time or I know that I will be facing time alone. I start becoming afraid of being alone with my thoughts, I begin sink inside my own head, I become riddled with anxiety find it hard to snap out of it sometimes for days. I know that when someone is having problems with anxeity/depression it is best not to spend too much time alone however this has been going on for years and a certain amount of alone time is un-avoidable and even healthy I would imagine. I recently saw a study saying that a man who participated in a health study requiring him to be in a  isolation chamber pretty much now has the same symptoms I have. The problem is that I can’t find any information on treatment for this disorder. I appreciate any help. thanks — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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<gently snipped ::The panic is trigged when i’m home alone for an extended period of ::time or I know that I will be facing time alone. I start becoming ::afraid of being alone with my thoughts, I begin sink inside my own ::head, I become riddled with anxiety find it hard to snap out of it ::sometimes for days. :: ::I know that when someone is having problems with anxeity/depression it ::is best not to spend too much time alone however this has been going ::on for years and a certain amount of alone time is un-avoidable and ::even healthy I would imagine. Welcome to ASAPM! When you say you are home alone for extended periods of time, exactly how long are you alone? For many years I could not cope with being alone. When my husband left for work in the morning it felt like forever before he walked through the door in the evening. Business and hunting trips were extremely hard on me, I usually was unable to sleep. But you know what? As anxious as I was, I made it through each and every time. I imagine you do Since being on Paxil for nine years I very rarely have issues being alone. I actually enjoy it a lot! Having lots to do and things to look forward to really help. Do you have any pets? My cats and dog help me to not feel alone. They keep me company. Have you ever tried a benzo like xanax or klonopin for these extended "isolated" periods. Are you able to get out of the house during these extended periods? ::I recently saw a study saying that a man who participated in a health ::study requiring him to be in a  isolation chamber pretty much now has ::the same symptoms I have. The problem is that I can’t find any ::information on treatment for this disorder. I appreciate any help. I found this…… ~*~R

Job End 1: Insight

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Of course, this is his own religion and/or thoughts coming out.  Ones you shouldn’t have to buy into, known as discrimination.

        Indeed!  I could sue, but it wouldn’t make sense in this case.  It’s better just to move on.           I’m just saying he noticed some features of my anxiety disorder.  He was very much out of line pushing his religion.  He never did make it a demand – but, hey, he’s the boss!   Trying to refute accusations is YOU standing up for yourself.  That takes much courage at times.

        Yes.  However, I had said (and I’ve said it here, and in many other cases), that he had accused me of sexual harassment – which he never has.     Admittedly he exagerrated something that wasn’t that big a deal, which is probably why I took it that way. Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Dennis, not wanting to adopt a person’s religion isn’t YOUR fault. You stated this early on in the job that they were pushing you to go to "their side".  Don’t feel badly for that, please.  You have your own opinions and you need to stick to them.

        I fully agree.  It’s mostly academic that he saw my anxiety disorder and misinterpreted it.  I doubt that’s what he had/has, whatever his faults, he’s not obsessive. Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Dennis, Of course, this is his own religion and/or thoughts coming out.  Ones you shouldn’t have to buy into, known as discrimination. Trying to refute accusations is YOU standing up for yourself.  That takes much courage at times. smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    To get some closure on my current job as it ends, I’ll write a few posts.    I’ve had trouble with the boss, Dick, who wanted me to adopt his religion.  He thinks I’m like he used to be, and that would be the solution.  The biggest part of the time, I just dismissed that as pretext, that he just wanted to make a convert.  However, I sometimes suspected that the negative character traits he sees in me are in fact my anxiety disorder.  He’s notoriously vague, but during a confrontation a while back, he got mad and gave a few details, which confirm my latter thought.    He said, "I never said my life was like yours!  I just see you doing things with people that I used to do but don’t do any more.  You mischaracterize things, you play people off against each other!"    In context, "mischaracterizing things" means cognitive distortions, which general anxiety sufferers like me have.    "Playing people off against each other" isn’t so clear.  I was discussing the old complaints against me and how he had handled them. I’m obsessive, so I get lost in details.   Also, I was trying to refute accusations that he had never really made – "mischaracterizations," in fact cognitive distortions.    For a while I thought this was an apparent rather than a real problem, since I had in fact responded to peoples’ complaints effectively – as we’ve discussed here!   However, if I don’t get him and the other managers to see it, that’s a problem in itself!    I’ll ask him for more details, if the chance arises.  This may be something I need to work on with my counselor.    If I didn’t think I had personal problems, I wouldn’t be on ASAPM. It’s just that I wasn’t interested in his solution – his religion. Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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        To get some closure on my current job as it ends, I’ll write a few posts.           I’ve had trouble with the boss, Dick, who wanted me to adopt his religion.  He thinks I’m like he used to be, and that would be the solution.  The biggest part of the time, I just dismissed that as pretext, that he just wanted to make a convert.  However, I sometimes suspected that the negative character traits he sees in me are in fact my anxiety disorder.  He’s notoriously vague, but during a confrontation a while back, he got mad and gave a few details, which confirm my latter thought.           He said, "I never said my life was like yours!  I just see you doing things with people that I used to do but don’t do any more.  You mischaracterize things, you play people off against each other!"           In context, "mischaracterizing things" means cognitive distortions, which general anxiety sufferers like me have.           "Playing people off against each other" isn’t so clear.  I was discussing the old complaints against me and how he had handled them.   I’m obsessive, so I get lost in details.   Also, I was trying to refute accusations that he had never really made – "mischaracterizations," in fact cognitive distortions.           For a while I thought this was an apparent rather than a real problem, since I had in fact responded to peoples’ complaints effectively – as we’ve discussed here!   However, if I don’t get him and the other managers to see it, that’s a problem in itself!           I’ll ask him for more details, if the chance arises.  This may be something I need to work on with my counselor.           If I didn’t think I had personal problems, I wouldn’t be on ASAPM.   It’s just that I wasn’t interested in his solution – his religion.   Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     To get some closure on my current job as it ends, I’ll write a few posts.     I’ve had trouble with the boss, Dick, who wanted me to adopt his religion.  He thinks I’m like he used to be, and that would be the solution.  The biggest part of the time, I just dismissed that as pretext, that he just wanted to make a convert.  However, I sometimes suspected that the negative character traits he sees in me are in fact my anxiety disorder.  He’s notoriously vague, but during a confrontation a while back, he got mad and gave a few details, which confirm my latter thought.     He said, "I never said my life was like yours!  I just see you doing things with people that I used to do but don’t do any more.  You mischaracterize things, you play people off against each other!"     In context, "mischaracterizing things" means cognitive distortions, which general anxiety sufferers like me have.     "Playing people off against each other" isn’t so clear.  I was discussing the old complaints against me and how he had handled them. I’m obsessive, so I get lost in details.   Also, I was trying to refute accusations that he had never really made – "mischaracterizations," in fact cognitive distortions.     For a while I thought this was an apparent rather than a real problem, since I had in fact responded to peoples’ complaints effectively – as we’ve discussed here!   However, if I don’t get him and the other managers to see it, that’s a problem in itself!     I’ll ask him for more details, if the chance arises.  This may be something I need to work on with my counselor.     If I didn’t think I had personal problems, I wouldn’t be on ASAPM. It’s just that I wasn’t interested in his solution – his religion. Dennis

Dennis, not wanting to adopt a person’s religion isn’t YOUR fault.  You stated this early on in the job that they were pushing you to go to "their side".  Don’t feel badly for that, please.  You have your own opinions and you need to stick to them. kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Irrational Fears

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::I deal with irrational fears sometimes, especially when I get stressed out ::or really tired…it really increases my anxiety. Dear Kris, I think most people with anxiety and panic deal with irrational fears. This is a big problem for me and can really kick off or exacerbate my anxiety. One thing that helped me a lot was cognitive behavioral therapy. We don’t have to accept our irrational fears, we can try to challenge them. If you feel comfortable, why not share some of your fears with us?  Maybe someone can offer advice on how to overcome it. Jackie ~*~If you don’t like something, change it. If you can’t change it, change your attitude~*~  ~~ Maya Angelou quote — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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"Cougar" wrote : I deal with irrational fears sometimes,

        That’s part of having an anxiety disorder.   http://msmonarchdancer.googlepages.com/cognitiveerrorsandfallacies         I’m still working on the fallacy identifications, but it may help.   The rest of Jackie’s site is very good too: http://msmonarchdancer.googlepages.com/ Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I find that looking at the realistic aspect of my fears really helps alot. As Vanessa stated you can’t catastrophise the situations or events that cause you worry or fear. Look at them from a realistic and reasonable viewpoint.

   I had one pdoc tell me the information is an important part of dealing with fears. Find out about what you are afraid of, and you’ll usually find a way to deal with it. It doesn’t always work, but for me it helps me decide which fears are realistic and which aren’t. I still need a lot of work to go from there though.    One of my problems is that a few of my completely irrational fears ended up happening to me. When I try to discount something unrealistic, I keep remembering that unlikely things have happened to me before. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I deal with irrational fears sometimes, especially when I get stressed out or really tired…it really increases my anxiety. Kris — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I deal with irrational fears sometimes, especially when I get stressed out or really tired…it really increases my anxiety. Kris

Hi Kris, I’m sure many here will relate to irrational fears. For me it’s a vicious cycle as the more anxious I am the more irrational my fears which then feeds the anxiety. Cognitive behavioural therapy helped me challenge the irrational thoughts. First step was to identify the negative thoughts underlying my fear. Together with my therapist I was able to apply a logical evaluation to these irrational thoughts and gradually change them into positive, realistic ones. By changing my perception it really reduced my anxiety levels. It’s not always easy but one thing I really had to learn over and over was not to catastrophise with ‘What if’ scenarios. I had to change them to ’so what if…’  Another technique that helps me is to distract myself as it brings my irrational thoughts back more to reality. Cheers, Vanessa — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I deal with irrational fears sometimes, especially when I get stressed out or really tired…it really increases my anxiety. Kris Hi Kris, I’m sure many here will relate to irrational fears. For me it’s a vicious cycle as the more anxious I am the more irrational my fears which then feeds the anxiety. Cognitive behavioural therapy helped me challenge the irrational thoughts. First step was to identify the negative thoughts underlying my fear. Together with my therapist I was able to apply a logical evaluation to these irrational thoughts and gradually change them into positive, realistic ones. By changing my perception it really reduced my anxiety levels. It’s not always easy but one thing I really had to learn over and over was not to catastrophise with ‘What if’ scenarios. I had to change them to ’so what if…’  Another technique that helps me is to distract myself as it brings my irrational thoughts back more to reality. Cheers, Vanessa —

I find that looking at the realistic aspect of my fears really helps alot. As Vanessa stated you can’t catastrophise the situations or events that cause you worry or fear. Look at them from a realistic and reasonable viewpoint. I have a huge fear of whether or not people will like or accept me. That the way I look or act or dress or talk will have this huge negative outcome and that people won’t like me or think of me as a person worthy of friendship. So I need to look at every situation as "So what? If this person or persons does not like me, for whatever reason, what is the worse thing that could realistically happen?" When I think about it, not much really. Sure I might feel sad or rejected, but that’s it. I’m not going to die, my world isn’t going to suddenly end and just because one person doesn’t like me or want to be friend it doesn’t mean that there aren’t people out there that would want my friendship. I also tend to sweat alot when I’m nervous, this is a source of embarrassment for me. Yet, if I sweat alot when I am nervous or feel a little anxious, so what? I’m not the only one and if people are judging me over that they are not being fair to me or themselves. Kris, you are allowed to feel afraid. There is nothing wrong with it, but try to look at your fears from a realistic viewpoint. It may take you a little time but I truly believe after awhile your fears will lessen and you will see that you have control over those fears and anxieties. It just takes time and that can be hard but with the support here I think we can all make it through. JoeyV — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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ASAPM Moderators position on Benzodiazepines

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Members, The moderators of ASAPM do NOT endorse the view that benzodiazepines are addictive and are a class of meds to be avoided. We believe that benzodiazepines are probably the most effective class of medication in the treatment of anxiety disorders. We acknowledge there are some that have had problems using benzos, but we believe that amount is small compared to the many people that have been greatly helped by these meds. All meds, not just benzos, come with risks and side-effects. Each of us with the help of medical professionals must weigh the risks against the benefits. Never stop your benzo cold turkey and always consult your doctor for advice on how to discontinue a benzo. We ask the posters that have had issues with benzos to remember that their experience is just that and is not a predictor of how others will do on them. While we acknowledge that some have had problem with benzos we do discourage posts that use generalizations and personal experiences to demonize this class of meds. Doing so has the potential to frighten posters against using this proven treatment. Please be respectful of others’ experiences and we recommend the use of disclaimers such as "your mileage may vary", and "in my experience" in controversial subjects. It’s important to find sites that offer balanced information regarding benzos. Anti-benzo sites such ashttp://www.benzo.org.ukvilify what can be…. and is for many people, an effective and safe medication. Below is what we believe to be some balanced info regarding benzo addiction and dependency. http://panicdisorder.about.com/cs/benzosbasics/a/addiction.htm http://panicdisorder.about.com/library/weekly/aa082797.htm Even though this link is about discontinuing xanax, there is other good info on xanax and benzos in general.http://lexington-on-line.com/naf_xanax.html Most importantly, educate yourself about addiction VS dependency so you can make informed decisions regarding the treatment of your anxiety disorder. We highly recommend the book "Panic Disorder" by William D. Kernodle, M.D.  Chapters 12, "The Misunderstood Benzodiazepines" and 13, "The Role of Benzodiazepines in the Treatment of Panic Disorder", being must reads. Quoted from "Panic Disorder: The Medical Point of View", by William Kernodle, M.D. "Our society appears to have a phobia concerning benzodiazepines.  I believe this fear started many years ago when Valium was prescribed for minor anxiety and patients were not made aware of the potential for developing physical dependence.  It is physical addiction that most patients worry about with a benzodiazepine.  I believe *addiction* refers to a severe form of drug abuse in which the individual craves a substance despite negative consequences and needs more and more for the same effect.  I do not think that patients with panic disorder crave the benzodiazepines for their effect or frequently develop physical tolerance (with the possible exception of substance abusers).  It is possible for patients to develop *physical dependence* on the benzodiazepines when used at moderate to high doses over months or years.  However, this simply means that the benzodiazepine has to be tapered slowly rather than stopped abruptly to avoid having a withdrawal symptom" (p 115). [alt.support.anxiety-panic.moderated] General Anxiety-Panic Info – Monthly-FAQ] Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. The ASAPM Moderation Team — The charter is available at:http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

Amen. Klonopin changed my life. I would have started taking it 15 years ago if I would have known. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Dear Members, The moderators of ASAPM do NOT endorse the view that benzodiazepines are addictive and are a class of meds to be avoided. We believe that benzodiazepines are probably the most effective class of medication in the treatment of anxiety disorders. We acknowledge there are some that have had problems using benzos, but we believe that amount is small compared to the many people that have been greatly helped by these meds. All meds, not just benzos, come with risks and side-effects. Each of us with the help of medical professionals must weigh the risks against the benefits. Never stop your benzo cold turkey and always consult your doctor for advice on how to discontinue a benzo. We ask the posters that have had issues with benzos to remember that their experience is just that and is not a predictor of how others will do on them. While we acknowledge that some have had problem with benzos we do discourage posts that use generalizations and personal experiences to demonize this class of meds. Doing so has the potential to frighten posters against using this proven treatment. Please be respectful of others’ experiences and we recommend the use of disclaimers such as "your mileage may vary", and "in my experience" in controversial subjects. It’s important to find sites that offer balanced information regarding benzos. Anti-benzo sites such as http://www.benzo.org.uk vilify what can be…. and is for many people, an effective and safe medication. Below is what we believe to be some balanced info regarding benzo addiction and dependency. http://panicdisorder.about.com/cs/benzosbasics/a/addiction.htm http://panicdisorder.about.com/library/weekly/aa082797.htm Even though this link is about discontinuing xanax, there is other good info on xanax and benzos in general. http://lexington-on-line.com/naf_xanax.html Most importantly, educate yourself about addiction VS dependency so you can make informed decisions regarding the treatment of your anxiety disorder. We highly recommend the book "Panic Disorder" by William D. Kernodle, M.D.  Chapters 12, "The Misunderstood Benzodiazepines" and 13, "The Role of Benzodiazepines in the Treatment of Panic Disorder", being must reads. Quoted from "Panic Disorder: The Medical Point of View", by William Kernodle, M.D. "Our society appears to have a phobia concerning benzodiazepines.  I believe this fear started many years ago when Valium was prescribed for minor anxiety and patients were not made aware of the potential for developing physical dependence.  It is physical addiction that most patients worry about with a benzodiazepine.  I believe *addiction* refers to a severe form of drug abuse in which the individual craves a substance despite negative consequences and needs more and more for the same effect.  I do not think that patients with panic disorder crave the benzodiazepines for their effect or frequently develop physical tolerance (with the possible exception of substance abusers).  It is possible for patients to develop *physical dependence* on the benzodiazepines when used at moderate to high doses over months or years.  However, this simply means that the benzodiazepine has to be tapered slowly rather than stopped abruptly to avoid having a withdrawal symptom" (p 115). [alt.support.anxiety-panic.moderated] General Anxiety-Panic Info – Monthly-FAQ] Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. The ASAPM Moderation Team — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::I’m jumping in here not knowing exactly what the subject is, but…… It’s about premature ejaculation ::Hope this helps more than it scares anyone! I’m glad your friend is feeling better. Not scary, just not for me Jackie ~*~No matter where you go or what you do, you live your entire life within the confines of your head~*~         – Terry Josephson — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::That stuff helped you? I didn’t notice anything except there was ::another tablet to remember to take. Bugger! Maybe I’ll give that ::stuff another go… er- if I remember! I admit it may be a placebo affect, but I do believe it helps me a lot. Just wish it wasn’t so damn pricey. ::Great quote in your other reply btw… a really good read! My docs ::never said *anything* about any of that stuff. It is a great read. It helps me calm down when I’m having a lot of skipped beats. Jackie ~*~No matter where you go or what you do, you live your entire life within the confines of your head~*~         – Terry Josephson — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I’m jumping in here not knowing exactly what the subject is, but……

Skipping… the subject is *skipping*! A few months ago a friend who had been feeling very down and weak for a long time finally went to a Dr.  Turns out his heart was beating out of beat (something out of sync).  He went to the hospital and they put him under general anesthesia.  They stopped his heart, waited a little while, then restarted it.  It seemed fixed but then the symptoms came back only a day later. They did the same procedure again and he says he feels better then he has in years!  That was maybe 2 months ago and he is still doing great.

Wow, and I thought House did weird stuff. Rebooting the heart, whatever will they think of next… a CNS Bios update? Hope this helps more than it scares anyone!

Scared, me? Nooooo… <throwing away very old cardiologist appointment card — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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:: ::My heart mucks about too, I think it’s trying to syncopate but ::Jackie probably knows what it’s *really* called, I keep ::forgetting. One doc explained that my heart rhythm remained the ::same but that it skipped beats now and then and another said ::the rhythm was the same but that a beat would be a little early ::now and then… both said it was harmless. Do you mean synchronize?

Nah, it’s trying some musical techniques: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncopation When I’m going through a bad patch with the skipped beats, I remind myself that my heart is NOT skipping a beat. It’s that the beat came too early, sort of like premature ejaculation

LOL! If I ever see a cardiologist again I’m going to use that discription… er- if I remember. Ok- maybe I can make an appointment with my GP instead, unless I forget.<vbeg Yup, harmless but damn annoying and terrifying at times. COq10 really helps me. I ran out of it last week and have been miserable ever since with the skipped beats. I bought some COq10 yesterday, took a bunch…….and now my heart isn’t irritable anymore.

That stuff helped you? I didn’t notice anything except there was another tablet to remember to take. Bugger! Maybe I’ll give that stuff another go… er- if I remember! Great quote in your other reply btw… a really good read! My docs never said *anything* about any of that stuff. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :: ::My heart mucks about too, I think it’s trying to syncopate but ::Jackie probably knows what it’s *really* called, I keep forgetting. ::One doc explained that my heart rhythm remained the same but that ::it skipped beats now and then and another said the rhythm was the ::same but that a beat would be a little early now and then… both ::said it was harmless. Do you mean synchronize? When I’m going through a bad patch with the skipped beats, I remind myself that my heart is NOT skipping a beat. It’s that the beat came too early, sort of like premature ejaculation Yup, harmless but damn annoying and terrifying at times. COq10 really helps me. I ran out of it last week and have been miserable ever since with the skipped beats. I bought some COq10 yesterday, took a bunch…….and now my heart isn’t irritable anymore.

I’m jumping in here not knowing exactly what the subject is, but…… A few months ago a friend who had been feeling very down and weak for a long time finally went to a Dr.  Turns out his heart was beating out of beat (something out of sync).  He went to the hospital and they put him under general anesthesia.  They stopped his heart, waited a little while, then restarted it.  It seemed fixed but then the symptoms came back only a day later.  They did the same procedure again and he says he feels better then he has in years!  That was maybe 2 months ago and he is still doing great. Hope this helps more than it scares anyone! Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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:: ::My heart mucks about too, I think it’s trying to syncopate but ::Jackie probably knows what it’s *really* called, I keep forgetting. ::One doc explained that my heart rhythm remained the same but that ::it skipped beats now and then and another said the rhythm was the ::same but that a beat would be a little early now and then… both ::said it was harmless. Do you mean synchronize? When I’m going through a bad patch with the skipped beats, I remind myself that my heart is NOT skipping a beat. It’s that the beat came too early, sort of like premature ejaculation Yup, harmless but damn annoying and terrifying at times. COq10 really helps me. I ran out of it last week and have been miserable ever since with the skipped beats. I bought some COq10 yesterday, took a bunch…….and now my heart isn’t irritable anymore. Jackie ~*~No matter where you go or what you do, you live your entire life within the confines of your head~*~         – Terry Josephson — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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<gently snipped ::But I found yah and I am back. lol Glad you’re back ::Anywho update on the anxiety. I have done wonderful this past week and ::a half. I havnt had hardly any anxiety and have been doing and feeling ::super. I think the zoloft has kicked in full force and I have been ::feeling much better mentally. Plus the stinking sexual side effects ::have gone away! YAY FOR ME!! lol Yeah!! This is awesome news. I’m so happy for you. It IS a wonderful feeling when a med kicks in and you finally get some relief. ::Does the anxiety go away this much and then come back and go away? ::Does it stay with some of you? It can wax and wane. I can have long stretches of no anxiety and long stretches of high anxiety even with effective meds. I appreciate the good times and grin and bear the bad ones knowing it will not last forever. ::I am going to see a cardiologist because my heart skips beats and ::flutters and my aunt(who had the same symptoms) said to go see one and ::they may be able to see if its a condition other than anxiety. She had ::all of the same things happening to her and was on medication until ::one time at the doctors he noticed a speedy heart beat that would slow ::and then speed up. So he sent her to a cardiologist. I cant spell what ::its called. but its a big bunch of words, anywho she had it shocked ::back into a normal heart beat and it fixed it. Skipped beats, which are also called PVCs, are quite common in people with an anxiety disorder. Common PVC triggers are anxiety, caffeine and decongestants. I’ve been battling these beasties for a long time. Some days they really suck. I recommend this informative group for people with PVCs…. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/PeoplewithPVCs/ ::So thats what I will be doing next week, Seeing a cardio and making ::sure its not something else. I’m sure everything will be okay. Good luck! (((((Marie))))) Here is a informative post from another forum that gives me a lot of comfort when I’m going through a particularly bad time with PVCs. Mayb you can find some comfort from it as well. original message: okaaaaay. This effort is placed on your support group website courtesy of my spouse, who is seated next to me with threats of bodily harm if I do not take time from my schedule to provide a professional response and take appropriate interest and concern. To this extent, I summarily aplogize that my occupational schedule generally prohibits the latitude necessary to search out your groups and assist with providing information where it might be sought or needed. Under the circumstances and to avoid physical reprisal by my well-intended wife, I hereby consent to the necessary time expenditure without further delay. And with particular reply to the young lady who so keenly observed that no men visit or participate in your support network, allow me to make a footprint in the sand and be the first to join you. Well ladies, down to business. Firstly, let’s see if we can collect your concerns and provide a general and hopefully beneficial response. We need to start with a little and very brief general anatomy course, so let’s take our seats. I want to start by talking about a very special part of the human anatomy that does not seem to appear in the collective messages I’ve reviewed; The VAGUS nerve. The vagus nerve, also referred to as the 10th cranial nerve, is appropriately termed a "mixed" nerve. It provides a sort of two-way communication of nerve impulses back and forth between the brain and the pharnyx,larynx, esophagus, stomach and associated abdominal viscera(basically, your throat, windpipe, your tummy and guts), the heart, lungs and several more complex but irrelevant body organs or functions. The vagus nerve is the longest and most complex of the cranial nerves in the body. The key point here is to make note that this nerve involves the "heart," the "lungs" and basically the whole digestive system of your tummy and intestines. Now let’s pair that with some real specific and limited physiology about the heart and its rhythm. We also need to bring clarity to some of the medical jargon being taked about by many of you in your messages. The term PVC, or Premature Ventricular Contraction, is just one of many arrythmias and not necessarily isolated to what many term as "palpatations." When we speak of palpatations, what we really mean is the presence of "ectopic" beats(hearbeats where there should not normally be)and the precise induction of these beats is felt by us as dancing of our heart or a flutter sensation in our chest, the prominence or intensity of which is determined by the precise moment of the extra beats in proximity to the most recent beat and the upcoming beat or contraction of the heart ventricles or atria. Think of it in relation to your memory of your worst date, where the guy you’re with has no rhythm whatsoever but wants to impress you with all the right moves and clumsily tries to introduce his own dance-step into your otherwise smoothly flowing and natural pace with the music. Depending upon his rather untimely entry, he can cause awkwardness that either simply causes you to quickly pause and regain your rhythm or literally trip you repeatedly until you’re forced to leave the dancefloor. Well, the same holds true for the heart in our example. The extra beat, or palpatation might come at a point that’s subtle, or it might be at a point where the heart stumbles repeatedly until normal sinus rhythm is regained. Now let’s get to "why" palpatations occur. The heart has a natural pacemaker called the sinoatrial node among several less distinct and similar pacers, which is stimulated by guess which nerve? You guessed it; The VAGUS nerve. The vagus nerve helps regulate the heart in comparison to other functions taking place with other areas and is doing its job right now in each and every one of us. In fact, the variability of your heart rate during inspiration and expiration of your lungs is an effect of the vagus nerve. We’ve all noticed that when we take a breath in, our heart tends to beat just a little faster and when we breath out, a little slower. It’s an entirely normal bodily function and is connected to the need by the body’s system to respond to the environment. Now that we kind of have a little medical background under our belts, let’s take one of the complaints by many of you regarding the proximity or timely appearance of palpatations and indigestion. Remember that we said the vagus nerve is linked to both the tummy, the throat and the heart. Let’s assume that we’ve eaten meal and it’s caused us to experience some gastrointestinal discomfort, or in other words, gas. The irregular presence and activity by your tummy and intestines stimulates, more appropriately irritates, the vagus nerve which sends a rather inappropriate signal back along the pathway to guess where? That’s right! The heart. Move to the head of the class. The heart is busy pacing away regularly and is relatively unconcerned with all the food you poured into your tummy, when all of a sudden in comes a signal from the vagus nerve because it has been inappropriately stimulated and tells the heart to beat. Well, just like our bad date example, the signal to beat is rather untimely and awkward but the heart has to accept it and respond. The result is extra beats that make the heart feel like it is stumbling. The degree to which it stumbles oftentimes depends upon the extent to which the vagus nerve is irritated and the relative state of indigestion present as the causitive agent. There is most often no pain assoicated with this occurrence because it is not the result of a lack of blood or oxygen that creates the palpatation, but rather just a simple additional electrical impulse or series of impulses. Pericardial pain, or pain adjacent to the heart, can sometimes accompany palpatations or exist exclusive of any arrythmia, but is not necessarily considered pathologic or harmful to us. Remember that we’re dealing with inappropriate electrical impulses and muscle tissue other than the heart that is partially innervated by the vagus nerve and can respond inappropriately, causing a jabbing or shooting pain than many describe as a "catch" in their chest. We’ll talk more about chest pain in a bit. Let’s discuss the sensation that some of you described as a warm flushing sensation of your face and perhaps other body areas that accompanies the palpatations. Recall our anatomy lesson. The vagus nerve stimulates many areas of the body in response to our environment or internal conditions caused by the outside environment, ie. a meal that produces indigestion. The vagus nerve provides all of us with a stable process called vagal tone. This tone or stability keeps us in a state of balance so to speak with our environment. In response to environmental cues or situations, that tone or stabiity changes to prepare for what may be required. You’ve probably all seen a guy that makes your heart "skip a beat." Ever wonder why that phrase ever came about? Think for a moment. If you’ve ever been emotionally overcome, your heart races or feels like it pounds in your chest, we begin sweating, our blood pressure rises, we feel nervous and at some point our face is overcome by a warm flushing sensation that we attribute to nervousness or embarassment. Well, guess what nerve plays a very big role in that entire process? Right Again!!! The VAGUS nerve. The above scenario would be a case of increased vagal tone. Well, if there’s an increase, there’s likely to be a case of decreased vagal tone as well. Indeed there is. decreased vagal tone can make us weak, nauseated, tremble, and even faint. It happens in cases of being excessively startled or frightened. Other conditions, such as diabetes can cause decreased vagal tone, but for our … read more »

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Well I just wanted to let everyone know why I havnt been posting lately. I bought a macbook pro and have been converting from PC to mac and well its different. But I like it. Also before I began the switch my cable company was bought out by time warner, so they have been changing over for a while now, and finally decided to change my news server info and what not. So I couldnt get into the news group and had to find the group on google groups. But I found yah and I am back. lol Anywho update on the anxiety. I have done wonderful this past week and a half. I havnt had hardly any anxiety and have been doing and feeling super. I think the zoloft has kicked in full force and I have been feeling much better mentally. Plus the stinking sexual side effects have gone away! YAY FOR ME!! lol Does the anxiety go away this much and then come back and go away? Does it stay with some of you? I am going to see a cardiologist because my heart skips beats and flutters and my aunt(who had the same symptoms) said to go see one and they may be able to see if its a condition other than anxiety. She had all of the same things happening to her and was on medication until one time at the doctors he noticed a speedy heart beat that would slow and then speed up. So he sent her to a cardiologist. I cant spell what its called. but its a big bunch of words, anywho she had it shocked back into a normal heart beat and it fixed it. So thats what I will be doing next week, Seeing a cardio and making sure its not something else. woot MarieG — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Marie, Welcome back!  Glad you like the macbook. Sounds like you are doing well on the Zoloft.  More good news! Certainly doesn’t hurt to see a cardiologist to rule out any problems.  Keep us updated. smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I just wanted to let everyone know why I havnt been posting lately. I bought a macbook pro and have been converting from PC to mac and well its different. But I like it. Also before I began the switch my cable company was bought out by time warner, so they have been changing over for a while now, and finally decided to change my news server info and what not. So I couldnt get into the news group and had to find the group on google groups. But I found yah and I am back. lol Anywho update on the anxiety. I have done wonderful this past week and a half. I havnt had hardly any anxiety and have been doing and feeling super. I think the zoloft has kicked in full force and I have been feeling much better mentally. Plus the stinking sexual side effects have gone away! YAY FOR ME!! lol Does the anxiety go away this much and then come back and go away? Does it stay with some of you? I am going to see a cardiologist because my heart skips beats and flutters and my aunt(who had the same symptoms) said to go see one and they may be able to see if its a condition other than anxiety. She had all of the same things happening to her and was on medication until one time at the doctors he noticed a speedy heart beat that would slow and then speed up. So he sent her to a cardiologist. I cant spell what its called. but its a big bunch of words, anywho she had it shocked back into a normal heart beat and it fixed it. So thats what I will be doing next week, Seeing a cardio and making sure its not something else. woot MarieG — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Well I just wanted to let everyone know why I havnt been posting lately. I bought a macbook pro and have been converting from PC to mac and well its different. But I like it. Also before I began the switch my cable company was bought out by time warner, so they have been changing over for a while now, and finally decided to change my news server info and what not. So I couldnt get into the news group and had to find the group on google groups. But I found yah and I am back. lol

Sounds like a fun new toy! Anywho update on the anxiety. I have done wonderful this past week and a half. I havnt had hardly any anxiety and have been doing and feeling super. I think the zoloft has kicked in full force and I have been feeling much better mentally. Plus the stinking sexual side effects have gone away! YAY FOR ME!! lol

That is *great*. Does the anxiety go away this much and then come back and go away? Does it stay with some of you?

I dunno, my anxiety seems to vary over time with or without meds… but a lot less with meds probably. (I’m not about to test that now, LOL!) I am going to see a cardiologist because my heart skips beats and flutters and my aunt(who had the same symptoms) said to go see one and they may be able to see if its a condition other than anxiety. She had all of the same things happening to her and was on medication until one time at the doctors he noticed a speedy heart beat that would slow and then speed up. So he sent her to a cardiologist. I cant spell what its called. but its a big bunch of words, anywho she had it shocked back into a normal heart beat and it fixed it.

My heart mucks about too, I think it’s trying to syncopate but Jackie probably knows what it’s *really* called, I keep forgetting. One doc explained that my heart rhythm remained the same but that it skipped beats now and then and another said the rhythm was the same but that a beat would be a little early now and then… both said it was harmless. So thats what I will be doing next week, Seeing a cardio and making sure its not something else.

Good luck with your appointment Marie, let us know how you get on, ok? — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I disclosed

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey ASAPM, Thanks you all. It is so very nice to tell you all something, leave it, come back and have FOURTEEN replies LOL. That is such a wonderful thing about this group, we are all very lucky to have this many people care. Sorry for not answering everyone individually, but I’ve got to get ready for work again!! I do agree with Tony – never thought about "safe people" but I have had them too. It’s a comforting thing, to be able to talk to them as your true self. I dislike NOT telling those I have a lot of contact with that I have illnesses – feel as though I’m withholding things from them.. not that they need all the gory details, but just giving people a heads up makes me feel like I’m not hiding and lying. I also agree that most everyone I have disclosed to — they have been very nice and not judgmental at all. They may not understand, but they are not running in fear or anything. Not usually. Early on, I did have one incident of someone who just.. disappeared after I told him. To make it worse, it was someone I had known for many years – and I was sure that person knew me well enough to know I was worth communicating with. He ran and never contacted me again.. however, that was the exception to the rule, though I feel some level of uncertainty when I disclose, I have found people to be supportive and helpful, whether they understand or not. I’m continuing to disclose, and it actually feels very good. I told two of the managers directly over me last night – they are going to hear about me in their meeting, but I wanted them to know that it’s Ok to ask me if they had any questions, I’d rather people understand that I’m approachable and to feel free to ask. I want it be that way than to have them wondering and "what iffing" (normies do that too) themselves about me. It’s better to not fear the truth, and just ask. They were very nice. BTW, I’m holding up just fine on a heavy schedule. I am in the middle of working six days straight. I finally get two days off (in a row! YAY!) on Thursday and Friday. I find it is good for me to be busy and I feel healthier, happier and more optimistic – and I’m sleeping better too. I feel as though my depression is somehow lifting. Little things don’t bother me, they happen and I think, "I’m not wasting my energy on that"..and I blow them off. I remember that same kind of thinking years ago on Paxil when it did work for me (AD’s have not worked for me for a good 10 years since then)..I have been trying to put my energy and thinking on the good aspects of my life, not the bad. It would be so wonderful if my depression does lift – going back to work may have been exactly what I needed. Love you all, Sally

I am so glad to hear this, Sally.  The more comfortable you are with your co-workers and bosses, the less anxious and depressed you’re going to feel. It’s very encouraging for the rest of us.  Thanks for being an inspiration. kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey ASAPM, I’m into my sixth week working full time as a cashier at Wal-Mart. I have not had a permanent full time job since 1999, so it’s kind of a biggie for me. Just wanted to tell you all about what I did today. I guess you already know, since you probably read the title of this post. Just wanted to tell you all why I did that. I carry medication and leave it in my car, and I know that if things start to go badly for me at work – I can take it.. but I decided I would tell the supervisor about my disability. I work in a busy store and they would frown on me – or merely disregard it if I started having symptoms and told them I needed a break – they hear that often, so I’d just be one more person wanting a break. I told the supervisor because I wanted him to understand it’s a medical emergency if I ask for a break, not just someone complaining. He was so nice! He told me that he’s so glad he was the one to give me a job – my job search lasted for months, since I have been out of the workforce for so very long – He asked me what my diagnosis is. I guess I could have lied. I sort of did, in that I didn’t list them.. I told him I had several. I think at last count it was 5 diagnoses, so.. I kind of wondered which ones I should tell him about, but I KNEW which ones I wouldn’t tell him about. Think anxiety is stigmatizing? Try explaining voices and delusions to a normie. I told him that mainly I had depression and anxiety. I explained to him that he did NOT want me to have a panic attack in front of his customers, so the managers above me needed to be aware that if I ask for a break… to give me one immediately. I’ve not had to do that, and I wouldn’t abuse it, but strictly from an anxiety standpoint.. knowing I can do that if I need to will probably take any kind of pressure off me worrying about it. It really hasn’t come up or been an issue for me, but just in case it turns into an issue, I wanted him and the managers above me aware of the situation. I also told him because I want a very good review when that time comes. I told him several times that the playing field was not level – I’m not in the same category as the other cashiers and I wanted him to take that into account when he does my review. Actually, I’ve already been told by several of them that I am doing very well – and that was before I disclosed. LOL. I guess I’m playing the pity card or something. I’ll play any card I’ve got, since I don’t have that many to play..and it’s the truth. I have obstacles most other people do not have. He can’t do a fair review of my work without having known that I’ve not been in the workforce full-time for eight years. It’s not fair to me! He did ask me why I had not told him before. I explained that I did not think my illnesses would have any bearing upon my job performance. He told me they definitely had not..  and furthermore, I explained to him that it’s a big topic among people with mental illness or mood disorders – to disclose or not to disclose, and I told him plainly that most people opt not to disclose in fear of what others will think of them.. I also told him that most everyone has some kind of mental illness, whether it’s a slight phobia, or whether they think they are Jesus Christ – it’s a continuum and everyone falls into their place along the continuum and there is no such thing as normal. I told him I had a chemical imbalance in my brain, and he seemed to understand that it’s a medical condition. He kept reassuring me that he didn’t see me any differently than he did before I told him. He kept thanking me and thanking me for telling him – I do not buy into the "stigma" of mental illness. I feel no stigma – I’m not ashamed I am ill. I have enough to contend with without laying that trip on myself. He even came up to me hours later and thanked me again.. He’s going to talk to all of the managers about me at the next meeting so that they are aware of my situation – and he told me in no uncertain terms if at any point, I need to leave, I don’t even have to ask – just leave and take the medicine – he also told me if I have a period of a few bad days – take them off, I still have a job. I couldn’t have asked for a more compassionate response. I know many people opt not to disclose – for me, it seemed to be the smartest thing to do. I’ll get back to you if I find it was not so smart. I’m just trying to take the steps I need to take in order to keep my job in the future. I saw no other way except disclosure..I hope it was the right thing to do..I know I will go through some level of concern about what he’ll think or what they’ll think.. but really.. who cares as long as I can work there and show them I can be as productive as anyone else? I’m going to try not to worry too much about that one, as I have little (no) control over what people think. Oh.. one other thing. A customer came through my line today and she told me I was one of the fastest cashiers she’d seen at Wal-Mart!! Wow – I needed that very badly today!! It made me feel so very good. I told her I’d only been there a few weeks. whooopeeee. Never underestimate it when you do a kindness or give someone a compliment. You don’t know how effective that can be for someone who needs it very much at that particular time and place. I sort of sailed through the rest of my day after that lady told me that. Sally

Good work, Sally!  I’m proud of you. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Great to here you are doing well!  I think I know exactly how you feel.   Telling (some) people in general give me such a relief. Also, if I tell someone, they often turn into a "safe person". Could you train some of the cashiers down here to speed them up? Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Tono, I also feel that after I tell someone "I trust" that they are safe persons for me.  It usually works that way and makes me feel freer each time I do explain my condition. smiles, Elise

Great to here you are doing well!  I think I know exactly how you feel. Telling (some) people in general give me such a relief. Also, if I tell someone, they often turn into a "safe person". Could you train some of the cashiers down here to speed them up? Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hey ASAPM, I’m into my sixth week working full time as a cashier at Wal-Mart. I have not had a permanent full time job since 1999, so it’s kind of a biggie for me. Just wanted to tell you all about what I did today. I guess you already know, since you probably read the title of this post. Just wanted to tell you all why I did that.

Sounds like you’re doing great Sally. I think its probably better to let certain people know you sometimes have problems and this is one such occasioin. It gets a lot of pressure off you. Sounds like the supervisor is understanding and supportive, so thats good. And nice about the compliment you got about being a fast cashier. Yes, sometimes things like that can make your day – I wish you good luck on your job. Mary — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Tono, I also feel that after I tell someone "I trust" that they are safe persons for me.  It usually works that way and makes me feel freer each time I do explain my condition. smiles, Elise

I think it’s one of the best feelings I can get.  But it has to be with just the right person at just the right time.  Anyone anytime won’t do.   Too bad we can’t just broadcast it to the entire world!!  Maybe I’ll work on that tomorrow. Tono Great to here you are doing well!  I think I know exactly how you feel. Telling (some) people in general give me such a relief. Also, if I tell someone, they often turn into a "safe person". Could you train some of the cashiers down here to speed them up? Tony

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Bravo, Sally!!! ) I’m proud of you! MikeH

Hey ASAPM, I’m into my sixth week working full time as a cashier at Wal-Mart. I have not had a permanent full time job since 1999, so it’s kind of a biggie for me. Just wanted to tell you all about what I did today. I guess you already know, since you probably read the title of this post. Just wanted to tell you all why I did that.

 . — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Tono, I think we have an internal instinct that helps us to realize who the right people are we can trust telling about our condition.  For me, I don’t tell just anyone the sense of trust must feel right. How’s Simone? smiles, Elise

Yes I think we have a 6th sense, or maybe a 7th? Simone is doing great!  Her Mommy seems to be getting tired of her father calling so often to check on his Granddaughter.  The other day I mentioned that to her and she said "just so it’s not every day".  I think I was averaging every other day, so I’ll try to call less often. Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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<gently snipped ::Oh.. one other thing. A customer came through my line today and she ::told me I was one of the fastest cashiers she’d seen at Wal-Mart!! Wow ::- I needed that very badly today!! It made me feel so very good. I ::told her I’d only been there a few weeks. whooopeeee. Never ::underestimate it when you do a kindness or give someone a compliment. ::You don’t know how effective that can be for someone who needs it very ::much at that particular time and place. I sort of sailed through the ::rest of my day after that lady told me that. Dear Sally, It took a lot of courage to disclose your illness to your supervisor. I am so touched by his support and compassion towards you! Congratulations on being one of the fastest cashiers I’m really proud about how you’ve handled this new job. Keep up the great work. (((((Sally))))) Jackie ~*~I’ve been on an emotional roller coaster lately.   The other day my mood ring exploded~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Tono, I think we have an internal instinct that helps us to realize who the right people are we can trust telling about our condition.  For me, I don’t tell just anyone the sense of trust must feel right. How’s Simone? smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Tono, I also feel that after I tell someone "I trust" that they are safe persons for me.  It usually works that way and makes me feel freer each time I do explain my condition. smiles, Elise I think it’s one of the best feelings I can get.  But it has to be with just the right person at just the right time.  Anyone anytime won’t do. Too bad we can’t just broadcast it to the entire world!!  Maybe I’ll work on that tomorrow. Tono Great to here you are doing well!  I think I know exactly how you feel. Telling (some) people in general give me such a relief. Also, if I tell someone, they often turn into a "safe person". Could you train some of the cashiers down here to speed them up? Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey ASAPM, I’m into my sixth week working full time as a cashier at Wal-Mart. I have not had a permanent full time job since 1999, so it’s kind of a biggie for me. Just wanted to tell you all about what I did today. I guess you already know, since you probably read the title of this post. Just wanted to tell you all why I did that. I carry medication and leave it in my car, and I know that if things start to go badly for me at work – I can take it.. but I decided I would tell the supervisor about my disability. I work in a busy store and they would frown on me – or merely disregard it if I started having symptoms and told them I needed a break – they hear that often, so I’d just be one more person wanting a break. I told the supervisor because I wanted him to understand it’s a medical emergency if I ask for a break, not just someone complaining. He was so nice! He told me that he’s so glad he was the one to give me a job – my job search lasted for months, since I have been out of the workforce for so very long – He asked me what my diagnosis is. I guess I could have lied. I sort of did, in that I didn’t list them.. I told him I had several. I think at last count it was 5 diagnoses, so.. I kind of wondered which ones I should tell him about, but I KNEW which ones I wouldn’t tell him about. Think anxiety is stigmatizing? Try explaining voices and delusions to a normie. I told him that mainly I had depression and anxiety. I explained to him that he did NOT want me to have a panic attack in front of his customers, so the managers above me needed to be aware that if I ask for a break… to give me one immediately. I’ve not had to do that, and I wouldn’t abuse it, but strictly from an anxiety standpoint.. knowing I can do that if I need to will probably take any kind of pressure off me worrying about it. It really hasn’t come up or been an issue for me, but just in case it turns into an issue, I wanted him and the managers above me aware of the situation. I also told him because I want a very good review when that time comes. I told him several times that the playing field was not level – I’m not in the same category as the other cashiers and I wanted him to take that into account when he does my review. Actually, I’ve already been told by several of them that I am doing very well – and that was before I disclosed. LOL. I guess I’m playing the pity card or something. I’ll play any card I’ve got, since I don’t have that many to play..and it’s the truth. I have obstacles most other people do not have. He can’t do a fair review of my work without having known that I’ve not been in the workforce full-time for eight years. It’s not fair to me! He did ask me why I had not told him before. I explained that I did not think my illnesses would have any bearing upon my job performance. He told me they definitely had not..  and furthermore, I explained to him that it’s a big topic among people with mental illness or mood disorders – to disclose or not to disclose, and I told him plainly that most people opt not to disclose in fear of what others will think of them.. I also told him that most everyone has some kind of mental illness, whether it’s a slight phobia, or whether they think they are Jesus Christ – it’s a continuum and everyone falls into their place along the continuum and there is no such thing as normal. I told him I had a chemical imbalance in my brain, and he seemed to understand that it’s a medical condition. He kept reassuring me that he didn’t see me any differently than he did before I told him. He kept thanking me and thanking me for telling him – I do not buy into the "stigma" of mental illness. I feel no stigma – I’m not ashamed I am ill. I have enough to contend with without laying that trip on myself. He even came up to me hours later and thanked me again.. He’s going to talk to all of the managers about me at the next meeting so that they are aware of my situation – and he told me in no uncertain terms if at any point, I need to leave, I don’t even have to ask – just leave and take the medicine – he also told me if I have a period of a few bad days – take them off, I still have a job. I couldn’t have asked for a more compassionate response. I know many people opt not to disclose – for me, it seemed to be the smartest thing to do. I’ll get back to you if I find it was not so smart. I’m just trying to take the steps I need to take in order to keep my job in the future. I saw no other way except disclosure..I hope it was the right thing to do..I know I will go through some level of concern about what he’ll think or what they’ll think.. but really.. who cares as long as I can work there and show them I can be as productive as anyone else? I’m going to try not to worry too much about that one, as I have little (no) control over what people think. Oh.. one other thing. A customer came through my line today and she told me I was one of the fastest cashiers she’d seen at Wal-Mart!! Wow – I needed that very badly today!! It made me feel so very good. I told her I’d only been there a few weeks. whooopeeee. Never underestimate it when you do a kindness or give someone a compliment. You don’t know how effective that can be for someone who needs it very much at that particular time and place. I sort of sailed through the rest of my day after that lady told me that. Sally

Thanks you all. It is so very nice to tell you all something, leave it, come back and have FOURTEEN replies LOL. That is such a wonderful thing about this group, we are all very lucky to have this many people care. Sorry for not answering everyone individually, but I’ve got to get ready for work again!! I do agree with Tony – never thought about "safe people" but I have had them too. It’s a comforting thing, to be able to talk to them as your true self. I dislike NOT telling those I have a lot of contact with that I have illnesses – feel as though I’m withholding things from them.. not that they need all the gory details, but just giving people a heads up makes me feel like I’m not hiding and lying. I also agree that most everyone I have disclosed to — they have been very nice and not judgmental at all. They may not understand, but they are not running in fear or anything. Not usually. Early on, I did have one incident of someone who just.. disappeared after I told him. To make it worse, it was someone I had known for many years – and I was sure that person knew me well enough to know I was worth communicating with. He ran and never contacted me again.. however, that was the exception to the rule, though I feel some level of uncertainty when I disclose, I have found people to be supportive and helpful, whether they understand or not. I’m continuing to disclose, and it actually feels very good. I told two of the managers directly over me last night – they are going to hear about me in their meeting, but I wanted them to know that it’s Ok to ask me if they had any questions, I’d rather people understand that I’m approachable and to feel free to ask. I want it be that way than to have them wondering and "what iffing" (normies do that too) themselves about me. It’s better to not fear the truth, and just ask. They were very nice. BTW, I’m holding up just fine on a heavy schedule. I am in the middle of working six days straight. I finally get two days off (in a row! YAY!) on Thursday and Friday. I find it is good for me to be busy and I feel healthier, happier and more optimistic – and I’m sleeping better too. I feel as though my depression is somehow lifting. Little things don’t bother me, they happen and I think, "I’m not wasting my energy on that"..and I blow them off. I remember that same kind of thinking years ago on Paxil when it did work for me (AD’s have not worked for me for a good 10 years since then)..I have been trying to put my energy and thinking on the good aspects of my life, not the bad. It would be so wonderful if my depression does lift – going back to work may have been exactly what I needed. Love you all, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey ASAPM, I’m into my sixth week working full time as a cashier at Wal-Mart. I have not had a permanent full time job since 1999, so it’s kind of a biggie for me. Just wanted to tell you all about what I did today. I guess you already know, since you probably read the title of this post. Just wanted to tell you all why I did that. I carry medication and leave it in my car, and I know that if things start to go badly for me at work – I can take it.. but I decided I would tell the supervisor about my disability. I work in a busy store and they would frown on me – or merely disregard it if I started having symptoms and told them I needed a break – they hear that often, so I’d just be one more person wanting a break. I told the supervisor because I wanted him to understand it’s a medical emergency if I ask for a break, not just someone complaining. He was so nice! He told me that he’s so glad he was the one to give me a job – my job search lasted for months, since I have been out of the workforce for so very long – He asked me what my diagnosis is. I guess I could have lied. I sort of did, in that I didn’t list them.. I told him I had several. I think at last count it was 5 diagnoses, so.. I kind of wondered which ones I should tell him about, but I KNEW which ones I wouldn’t tell him about. Think anxiety is stigmatizing? Try explaining voices and delusions to a normie. I told him that mainly I had depression and anxiety. I explained to him that he did NOT want me to have a panic attack in front of his customers, so the managers above me needed to be aware that if I ask for a break… to give me one immediately. I’ve not had to do that, and I wouldn’t abuse it, but strictly from an anxiety standpoint.. knowing I can do that if I need to will probably take any kind of pressure off me worrying about it. It really hasn’t come up or been an issue for me, but just in case it turns into an issue, I wanted him and the managers above me aware of the situation. I also told him because I want a very good review when that time comes. I told him several times that the playing field was not level – I’m not in the same category as the other cashiers and I wanted him to take that into account when he does my review. Actually, I’ve already been told by several of them that I am doing very well – and that was before I disclosed. LOL. I guess I’m playing the pity card or something. I’ll play any card I’ve got, since I don’t have that many to play..and it’s the truth. I have obstacles most other people do not have. He can’t do a fair review of my work without having known that I’ve not been in the workforce full-time for eight years. It’s not fair to me! He did ask me why I had not told him before. I explained that I did not think my illnesses would have any bearing upon my job performance. He told me they definitely had not..