It don't come easy…

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AGA: Congratulations to the Anti-NeoCon Individuals who’ve hung tough and eviscerated the phuctard/white trash typists! …When they lose, they go silent and get back to tech talk, or  a few get jiggy w/ "Black Oak Arkansas" typing or mockery of James Brown. If they STAY lost, I might leave them to thier craft. Otherwise; U.S. OUT of  Iraq, NeoCon disappearance in D.C. 11/08. Freeze and reduction in IRS to Pentagon theft of _U.S._$$$$! P.S. For those of you who never sank to thier level to figure it out, "seal bark" is thier code for all playings B.B. King….When your eyes pour over photos of the small group of men on a Memphis Notel balcony, all pointing at where the shot came from w/ Dr. M.L. King bleeding out at thier feet, -know…AGA’s anonymous filth…our perma embarassment;  — murkin’ ha-watt Tar-ASH!. Regards, Marc V. Mulay United Stater www.geocities.com/mvm55555

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…When they lose, they go silent and get back to tech talk, or  a few get jiggy w/ "Black Oak Arkansas" typing or mockery of James Brown.

Yeah, excuse us..this IS an AMPLIFIER group, not a Lib jerk off blog.. If they STAY lost, I might leave them to thier craft.

PLEASE..leave us to it..I’d rather stay here with them… …Otherwise;

I knew it..in love with the sound of his own voice.. P.S. For those of you who never sank to thier level to figure it out, "seal bark" is thier code for all playings B.B. King….When your eyes pour over photos of the small group of men on a Memphis Notel balcony, all pointing at where the shot came from w/ Dr. M.L. King bleeding out at thier feet,

And your going to compare this horror to what..?.. …-know…AGA’s anonymous filth…our perma embarassment; — murkin’ ha-watt Tar-ASH!.

GAWDESS, you got to get yerself a better grade of crack… Marc V. Mulay United Stater www.geocities.com/mvm55555

Ya ought to do a bit of web work. JJT

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P.S. For those of you who never sank to thier level to figure it out, "seal bark" is thier code for all playings B.B. King….When your eyes pour over photos of the small group of men on a Memphis Notel balcony, all pointing at where the shot came from w/ Dr. M.L. King bleeding out at thier feet, And your going to compare this horror to what..?..

In Mulay’s mind horrid events in history like the assassination of MLK can be equated with his own humiliating isolation in a.g.a., and anyone who has ever mocked his pompous, half-baked blathering he labels a butt-scratching redneck because his ego can’t handle the idea that people don’t have to be rednecks to consider him a clown.  How he gets around being mocked by some of his fellow left-wingers I don’t know, maybe he suspects them of being secret neocon agents or something.  What never seems to cross his mind is he isn’t mocked for his politics or even his silly wannabe music,  he’s mocked because he’s a full-on ko0k, and a self-righteous one at that.  What kind of personality disorder does it takes to plead with imaginary bullies to leave him alone and in the same breath desperately troll for more flames?  How can anyone with a rational mind claim to have silenced his opponents while ignoring that he has to create sock puppets to agree with himself in order for there to be more than one participant in the threads he starts?  Maybe he’s trying to get a syndrome named after him or something, "Mulay Online Obsessive Disorder," has a nice ring to it.  And is it just me, or does the wave of typos, misspellings and more fractured than usual grammar in Mulay’s posts of late point to either the bottle or the bong being kept right beside his keyboard these days?  :^)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And your going to compare this horror to what..?.. In Mulay’s mind horrid events in history like the assassination of MLK can be equated with his own humiliating isolation in a.g.a., and anyone who has ever mocked his pompous, half-baked blathering he labels a butt-scratching redneck because his ego can’t handle the idea that people don’t have to be rednecks to consider him a clown.  How he gets around being mocked by some of his fellow left-wingers I don’t know, maybe he suspects them of being secret neocon agents or something.  What never seems to cross his mind is he isn’t mocked for his politics or even his silly wannabe music,  he’s mocked because he’s a full-on ko0k, and a self-righteous one at that.  What kind of personality disorder does it takes to plead with imaginary bullies to leave him alone and in the same breath desperately troll for more flames?  How can anyone with a rational mind claim to have silenced his opponents while ignoring that he has to create sock puppets to agree with himself in order for there to be more than one participant in the threads he starts?  Maybe he’s trying to get a syndrome named after him or something, "Mulay Online Obsessive Disorder," has a nice ring to it.  And is it just me, or does the wave of typos, misspellings and more fractured than usual grammar in Mulay’s posts of late point to either the bottle or the bong being kept right beside his keyboard these days?  :^)

You’re right, it just amazes me that he goes so fill-tilt stupid.. There are many like him, a certain ‘Ray Gordon’ comes to mind..he posted: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"There was no significant loss of life in those towers.  Not a one."    - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001 "This attack happened in my HOMETOWN, a hometown I do not live in or work in because of illegal behavior.  I hope those who swiped my ability to live there enjoy the message they got from GOD    - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001 "In that building existed little more than a bunch of companies which hire "office whores" and the like.  I have no sympathy for employment discriminators, and if someone had to die in this attack, I couldn’t think of a better group of people for the terrorists to pick."    - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001 "Now you know what it’s like to see your horrors mocked the way mine have been. That’s not mental illness, that’s a political message, apparently delivered quite brilliantly."    - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001 "There was no significant loss of life in those towers. Their own evil is what prevented me from being among the dead, and which added the "Unknown Office Whore" to their numbers because god forbid some loser executive would have to hire a man.Those corporations could have hired me, put me to work in that building, let me live in NYC, and experience all of the fun that’s going on up there now."    - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11

Yet, he trolls for people to call him the asswipe he is…   24/7 online. "..in love with the sound of his own voice.." JJT You have 20 seconds when you hit the   beach before you make the trees.                             (JV)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In Mulay’s mind…I am murka. Hee haw.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …When they lose, they go silent and get back to tech talk, or  a few get jiggy w/ "Black Oak Arkansas" typing or mockery of James Brown. If they STAY lost, I might leave them to thier craft. P.S. For those of you who never sank to thier level to figure it out, "seal bark" is thier code for all playings B.B. King….When your eyes pour over photos of the small group of men on a Memphis Notel balcony, all pointing at where the shot came from w/ Dr. M.L. King bleeding out at thier feet, …-know…AGA’s anonymous filth…our perma embarassment; — murkin’ ha-watt Tar-ASH!. Marc V. Mulay United Stater www.geocities.com/mvm55555

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And your going to compare this horror to what..?.. In Mulay’s mind horrid events in history like the assassination of MLK can be equated with his own humiliating isolation in a.g.a., and anyone who has ever mocked his pompous, half-baked blathering he labels a butt-scratching redneck because his ego can’t handle the idea that people don’t have to be rednecks to consider him a clown.  How he gets around being mocked by some of his fellow left-wingers I don’t know, maybe he suspects them of being secret neocon agents or something.  What never seems to cross his mind is he isn’t mocked for his politics or even his silly wannabe music,  he’s mocked because he’s a full-on ko0k, and a self-righteous one at that.  What kind of personality disorder does it takes to plead with imaginary bullies to leave him alone and in the same breath desperately troll for more flames?  How can anyone with a rational mind claim to have silenced his opponents while ignoring that he has to create sock puppets to agree with himself in order for there to be more than one participant in the threads he starts?  Maybe he’s trying to get a syndrome named after him or something, "Mulay Online Obsessive Disorder," has a nice ring to it.  And is it just me, or does the wave of typos, misspellings and more fractured than usual grammar in Mulay’s posts of late point to either the bottle or the bong being kept right beside his keyboard these days?  :^) You’re right, it just amazes me that he goes so fill-tilt stupid.. There are many like him, a certain ‘Ray Gordon’ comes to mind..he posted: "There was no significant loss of life in those towers.  Not a one."    - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001 "This attack happened in my HOMETOWN, a hometown I do not live in or work in because of illegal behavior.  I hope those who swiped my ability to live there enjoy the message they got from GOD    - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001 "In that building existed little more than a bunch of companies which hire "office whores" and the like.  I have no sympathy for employment discriminators, and if someone had to die in this attack, I couldn’t think of a better group of people for the terrorists to pick."    - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001 "Now you know what it’s like to see your horrors mocked the way mine have been. That’s not mental illness, that’s a political message, apparently delivered quite brilliantly."    - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001 "There was no significant loss of life in those towers. Their own evil is what prevented me from being among the dead, and which added the "Unknown Office Whore" to their numbers because god forbid some loser executive would have to hire a man.Those corporations could have hired me, put me to work in that building, let me live in NYC, and experience all of the fun that’s going on up there now."    - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11 Yet, he trolls for people to call him the asswipe he is…   24/7 online. "..in love with the sound of his own voice.."

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no, I quoted it.   JJTj

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And your going to compare this horror to what..?.. In Mulay’s mind PMG et. al are a politically dying brand of ha-watt tarash.

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JJTj

plonk ?

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JJTj plonk ?

btw- is S an asshole II there "JJT"* ? * J ism J erkin’ T inkerbell

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – JJTj plonk ? btw- is S an asshole II there "JJT"* ? * J ism J erkin’ T inkerbell

oh, that hurt.. Typ wanker replies… JJTj

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – P.S. For those of you who never sank to thier level to figure it out, "seal bark" is thier code for all playings B.B. King….When your eyes pour over photos of the small group of men on a Memphis Notel balcony, all pointing at where the shot came from w/ Dr. M.L. King bleeding out at thier feet, And your going to compare this horror to what..?.. In Mulay’s mind horrid events in history like the assassination of MLK can be equated with his own humiliating isolation in a.g.a., and anyone who has ever mocked his pompous, half-baked blathering he labels a butt-scratching redneck because his ego can’t handle the idea that people don’t have to be rednecks to consider him a clown.  How he gets around being mocked by some of his fellow left-wingers I don’t know, maybe he suspects them of being secret neocon agents or something.  What never seems to cross his mind is he isn’t mocked for his politics or even his silly wannabe music,  he’s mocked because he’s a full-on ko0k, and a self-righteous one at that.  What kind of personality disorder does it takes to plead with imaginary bullies to leave him alone and in the same breath desperately troll for more flames?  How can anyone with a rational mind claim to have silenced his opponents while ignoring that he has to create sock puppets to agree with himself in order for there to be more than one participant in the threads he starts?  Maybe he’s trying to get a syndrome named after him or something, "Mulay Online Obsessive Disorder," has a nice ring to it.  And is it just me, or does the wave of typos, misspellings and more fractured than usual grammar in Mulay’s posts of late point to either the bottle or the bong being kept right beside his keyboard these days?  :^)

Hmmm…. I seem to have missed that Mulay post that you guys are referring to, LOL: If you’ve had enough of his nonsense and realize that after nearly 3 years of polluting this NG with his GARBAGE, that he ain’t goin’ away — then here’s what ya do (and everyone using Outlook/Outlook Express, Mozilla, Netscape – listen up): http://home.worldnet.att.net/~Lerxst.77/bellevue/byebaldy.html

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Silly robot! Tits are for kids! "UnitedStater_www.geocities.com/mvm55555 " <"Neocons = – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – AGA: Congratulations to the Anti-NeoCon Individuals who’ve hung tough and eviscerated the phuctard/white trash typists! …When they lose, they go silent and get back to tech talk, or  a few get jiggy w/ "Black Oak Arkansas" typing or mockery of James Brown. If they STAY lost, I might leave them to thier craft. Otherwise; U.S. OUT of  Iraq, NeoCon disappearance in D.C. 11/08. Freeze and reduction in IRS to Pentagon theft of _U.S._$$$$! P.S. For those of you who never sank to thier level to figure it out, "seal bark" is thier code for all playings B.B. King….When your eyes pour over photos of the small group of men on a Memphis Notel balcony, all pointing at where the shot came from w/ Dr. M.L. King bleeding out at thier feet, -know…AGA’s anonymous filth…our perma embarassment; — murkin’ ha-watt Tar-ASH!. Regards, Marc V. Mulay United Stater www.geocities.com/mvm55555

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – JJTj plonk ? btw- is S an asshole II there "JJT"* ? * J ism J erkin’ T inkerbell oh, that hurt.. JJTj

JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON YER!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a silly robot! Tits are for kids! Me like schlong "UnitedStater_www.geocities.com/mvm55555 " <"Neocons = AGA: Congratulations to the Anti-NeoCon Individuals who’ve hung tough and eviscerated the phuctard/white trash typists! …When they lose, they go silent and get back to tech talk, or  a few get jiggy w/ "Black Oak Arkansas" typing or mockery of James Brown. If they STAY lost, I might leave them to thier craft. Otherwise; U.S. OUT of  Iraq, NeoCon disappearance in D.C. 11/08. Freeze and reduction in IRS to Pentagon theft of _U.S._$$$$! P.S. For those of you who never sank to thier level to figure it out, "seal bark" is thier code for all playings B.B. King….When your eyes pour over photos of the small group of men on a Memphis Notel balcony, all pointing at where the shot came from w/ Dr. M.L. King bleeding out at thier feet, -know…AGA’s anonymous filth…our perma embarassment; — murkin’ ha-watt Tar-ASH!. Regards, Marc V. Mulay United Stater www.geocities.com/mvm55555

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Filth=Your upper lip… "UnitedStater_www.geocities.com/mvm55555 " <"Neocons = – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Your’re a silly slong sucking robot working for N Vietcong while molesting women and children and acts of treason while you waste other people’s time while you sit at the institutions dial up internet terminal because they won’t give you a real computer because you might screw it up Mr. Bareback Mountain demon infested gloryhole. "UnitedStater_www.geocities.com/mvm55555 " <"Neocons = AGA: Congratulations to the Anti-NeoCon Individuals who’ve hung tough and eviscerated the phuctard/white trash typists! …When they lose, they go silent and get back to tech talk, or  a few get jiggy w/ "Black Oak Arkansas" typing or mockery of James Brown. If they STAY lost, I might leave them to thier craft. Otherwise; U.S. OUT of  Iraq, NeoCon disappearance in D.C. 11/08. Freeze and reduction in IRS to Pentagon theft of _U.S._$$$$! P.S. For those of you who never sank to thier level to figure it out, "seal bark" is thier code for all playings B.B. King….When your eyes pour over photos of the small group of men on a Memphis Notel balcony, all pointing at where the shot came from w/ Dr. M.L. King bleeding out at thier feet, -know…AGA’s anonymous filth…our perma embarassment; — murkin’ ha-watt Tar-ASH!. Regards, Marc V. Mulay United Stater www.geocities.com/mvm55555

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AGA: Congratulations to the Anti-NeoCon Individuals who’ve hung tough and eviscerated the phuctard/white trash typists! …When they lose, they go silent and get back to tech talk, or  a few get jiggy w/ "Black Oak Arkansas" typing or mockery of James Brown. If they STAY lost, I might leave them to thier craft. Otherwise; U.S. OUT of  Iraq, NeoCon disappearance in D.C. 11/08. Freeze and reduction in IRS to Pentagon theft of _U.S._$$$$! P.S. For those of you who never sank to thier level to figure it out, "seal bark" is thier code for all playings B.B. King….When your eyes pour over photos of the small group of men on a Memphis Notel balcony, all pointing at where the shot came from w/ Dr. M.L. King bleeding out at thier feet, -know…AGA’s anonymous filth…our perma embarassment; — murkin’ ha-watt Tar-ASH!. Regards, Marc V. Mulay United Stater www.geocities.com/mvm55555

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No MLU With Nikon, WHY?

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Thanks for the correction! By the time I’d gotten my F2, the 21/4 was long gone from my hands; I then had the 20/3.5 AI-S as replacement. It’s good to hear that it was still usable with the F2. I was under the impression that one of the early series fish-eyes were also obsoleted for later models, but I could be wrong. Godfrey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just for your info, the Nikkor f=2.1cm/4 lens will indeed mount and function 100% on the Nikon F2. It’s all pro-bodies AFTER the F2 that will be damaged when mounting this lens. It’s rare that Nikon drops the ability to use any of their older lenses on any of their pro-bodies, but this is one example inwhich they did just that. I could be wrong, but I believe this is the only SLR lens Nikon has ever made that is not usable on the Nikon F5 (F4/F3 too).  Please note that I use the term "SLR lens" loosely.

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Hello Godfrey, Just for your info, the Nikkor f=2.1cm/4 lens will indeed mount and function 100% on the Nikon F2. It’s all pro-bodies AFTER the F2 that will be damaged when mounting this lens. It’s rare that Nikon drops the ability to use any of their older lenses on any of their pro-bodies, but this is one example inwhich they did just that. I could be wrong, but I believe this is the only SLR lens Nikon has ever made that is not usable on the Nikon F5 (F4/F3 too).  Please note that I use the term "SLR lens" loosely. Cheers – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There were a couple of lenses from the Nikon F era that required MLU. Not all of them are compatible with the F2 or later bodies … the one I’m thinking of is the Nikkor 21mm f/4, which had a special little flat in the rear element mount which locked into a piece in the F’s mirror box. That piece was gone in the F2. No, I think Nikon supports MLU on the top line bodies for the rare and specialized applications where it is required. Godfrey The F5 may have MLU to maintain compatability with all F-mount lenses – a rare few of the oldies require the mirror to be locked up before they could be used.

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– Nikon’s mirror/aperture/shutter regulator mechanism is unlike Canon’s EOS in that it is a set of mechanical linkages (perhaps a design legacy from supporting the Nikon F lens mount). Therefore, it’s not just a software change, the feature requires design changes to be incorporated.

This view clearly has no basis in fact.  All cameras bodies made by Nikon before the EM (circa 1980) had MLU of some sort – true MLU with F, F2, Nikkormats (including EL) and mirror pre-fire (FM, FE). Therefore the absence of MLU has nothing to do with the F mount itself. Andrew – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — The series of Nikon bodies which included mechanical self-timers had aperture/mirror pre-fire as they were able to be tripped mechanically. The feature disappeared when most bodies went to electronic self timers as they used the primary electrical shutter release tripping sequence instead. (I’m not sure whether the new FM3a has mechanical selftimer and pre-fire or an electronic self timer.)

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Several Fisheye-Nikkors required the mirrors to be locked up during mounting and use. 8mm f/8 7.5mm f/5.6 10mm OP f/5.6 6mm f/5.6 Since I have several of those, I like the mirror lockup capability on my F5s. dan Lindsay Santa barbara

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The F5 may have MLU to maintain compatability with all F-mount lenses – a rare few of the oldies require the mirror to be locked up before they could be used.

Yes, wasn’t there an extreme fisheye back in the 1970s that had this feature? — David Littlewood

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There were a couple of lenses from the Nikon F era that required MLU. Not all of them are compatible with the F2 or later bodies … the one I’m thinking of is the Nikkor 21mm f/4, which had a special little flat in the rear element mount which locked into a piece in the F’s mirror box. That piece was gone in the F2. No, I think Nikon supports MLU on the top line bodies for the rare and specialized applications where it is required. Godfrey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The F5 may have MLU to maintain compatability with all F-mount lenses – a rare few of the oldies require the mirror to be locked up before they could be used.

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For such applications where you just HAVE to have MLU, use one of the best bodies around that costs virtually nothing today,–an old Nikkormat.

Exactly!  Under the best of circumstances, MLU is a bit slow to use. You must pre-meter, pre-focus, and either set the camera on a tripod or use an auxiliary viewfinder on the accessory shoe.  Under these conditions, a Nikkormat is about as fast and automated as anything out there.  I guess they figure there’s very little overlap between the set of photographers who want flashy new computerized plastic AF bodies and the set of photographers who would be willing to go to the trouble of actually using MLU.   –Rich

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They added the MLU to the F5 otherwise it would not have been accepted as a "Professional" camera.  Thats the only reason its there.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The F5 may have MLU to maintain compatability with all F-mount lenses – a rare few of the oldies require the mirror to be locked up before they could be used. It could be that the dampening of the mirror action is exceptionally good on some bodies. I’m not sure this is the case.  The F5 has the best balanced mirror around but they still felt the need to add MLU. I read a lot of support for MLU in this NG but I wonder how many of its proponents have tried to shoot without it. I’ve noticed mirror shake when shooting consumer tele zooms where the body is mounted on the tripod head. Here’s an article about MLU, there’s another good study somewhere using an F3 that showed it amde a big difference but I don’t have the link with me. http://www.photo.net/photo/nature/mlu.html

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With today’s high speed, thin blade shutters MLU requires having a ’shutter blind’ in the camera. The added cost of this item apparently would push the price level of certain cameras beyond where Nikon wants them. And you’re right that few people use the feature, so it’s not something that is required by the masses. Why do you believe this to be necessary? The shutter blades may be very thin, but they are AFAIK perfectly light tight. My EOS 1n works fine with MLU. Is there something odd about Nikon shutters? You’ll find your camera manual telling you not to change lenses in direct sunlight.  What do you think that’s for?

I guess Nikon should answer that one. I don’t have a Nikon and have never owned one, so I can’t even look. My EOS 1n instructions do not contain such a recommendation (I have just checked), and neither (do far as I can recall) do those of any other cameras I have owned. I have changed lenses thousands, nay tens of thousands, of times in daylight, without taking any precautions against sunlight, and I have not seen any evidence of sun fogging the film. I therefore suspect someone at Nikon has got it wrong, is being ultra- cautious, or is copying some long-forgotten warning relating to cameras of an earlier age. I do not believe that light will pass through metal of any usable thickness, period. Has anyone ever seen any problems from this cause? — David Littlewood

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The F5 may have MLU to maintain compatability with all F-mount lenses – a rare few of the oldies require the mirror to be locked up before they could be used.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It could be that the dampening of the mirror action is exceptionally good on some bodies. I’m not sure this is the case.  The F5 has the best balanced mirror around but they still felt the need to add MLU. I read a lot of support for MLU in this NG but I wonder how many of its proponents have tried to shoot without it. I’ve noticed mirror shake when shooting consumer tele zooms where the body is mounted on the tripod head. Here’s an article about MLU, there’s another good study somewhere using an F3 that showed it amde a big difference but I don’t have the link with me. http://www.photo.net/photo/nature/mlu.html

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This thread has come and gone so many times in the past 5 years… Here’s the synopsis from the last couple of times I’ve seen it: – Nikon does not see much demand or need for the MLU feature in general use. They provide it on their professional, top line body and always have, because they expect those bodies to be used in technical applications where MLU is a required capability. – Nikon’s mirror/aperture/shutter regulator mechanism is unlike Canon’s EOS in that it is a set of mechanical linkages (perhaps a design legacy from supporting the Nikon F lens mount). Therefore, it’s not just a software change, the feature requires design changes to be incorporated. – The series of Nikon bodies which included mechanical self-timers had aperture/mirror pre-fire as they were able to be tripped mechanically. The feature disappeared when most bodies went to electronic self timers as they used the primary electrical shutter release tripping sequence instead. (I’m not sure whether the new FM3a has mechanical selftimer and pre-fire or an electronic self timer.) My own testing of Nikon FM, FE2 and F2 bodies with various very long lenses and mounting/support systems demonstrated conclusively to me that MLU was unnecessary for any work I was liable to be doing as long as the camera/lens support system was properly configured. Your mileage may vary, but in the course of 33 years of photography with Nikons the only times I have used MLU were when I needed to for reasons of lens configuration (the old Nikkor 21/4 used with the F required mirror lock up), photomicroscopy and astrophotography. I could bet that I’ve used the feature for less than 200 exposures, out of all the thousands of photos I’ve made over the years. Godfrey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<Why is it that Nikon does not offer a Mirror Lock-Up feature with its bodies except on their manual cameras and on the F5? Do the auto-focus bodies below the F5 offer MLU/Aperture Pre-Fire with the self-timer activation instead of standard MLU? I’ve got to bet that they are convinced that, with the exception of their high-end pro users, hardly anyone else uses it. They may well be right, but a simple mirror-prefire mode linked to the self-timer like many other camera models have would add next to nothing to the production cost of the camera, and very little to the development cost, IMHO.  It is really just a firmware addition, assuming their shutter mechanism allows the mirror and shutter to be controlled independently, and would all but eliminate this complaint.

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<<Why is it that Nikon does not offer a Mirror Lock-Up feature with its bodies except on their manual cameras and on the F5? Do the auto-focus bodies below the F5 offer MLU/Aperture Pre-Fire with the self-timer activation instead of standard MLU? I’ve got to bet that they are convinced that, with the exception of their high-end pro users, hardly anyone else uses it.

They may well be right, but a simple mirror-prefire mode linked to the self-timer like many other camera models have would add next to nothing to the production cost of the camera, and very little to the development cost, IMHO.  It is really just a firmware addition, assuming their shutter mechanism allows the mirror and shutter to be controlled independently, and would all but eliminate this complaint.

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With today’s high speed, thin blade shutters MLU requires having a ’shutter blind’ in the camera. The added cost of this item apparently would push the price level of certain cameras beyond where Nikon wants them. And you’re right that few people use the feature, so it’s not something that is required by the masses. Why do you believe this to be necessary? The shutter blades may be very thin, but they are AFAIK perfectly light tight. My EOS 1n works fine with MLU. Is there something odd about Nikon shutters?

You’ll find your camera manual telling you not to change lenses in direct sunlight.  What do you think that’s for?

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The inclusion of a MLU capability requires significant redesign of the mirror box area from what I’ve been told.  It’s obviously a requirement for those who shoot a lot in the shutter speed ranges of say, 1/15s through 1 second.  Either side of that the vibration element of the exposure period would be insignificant.  Just how many amateurs shoot within that range?  Real amateurs?  This forum is frequented mostly by above the ordinary amateurs, in my observations, and their requirements are not those of the ‘average amateur.’ For such applications where you just HAVE to have MLU, use one of the best bodies around that costs virtually nothing today,–an old Nikkormat. Dan Lindsay Santa Barbara

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It could be that the dampening of the mirror action is exceptionally good on some bodies.

I’m not sure this is the case.  The F5 has the best balanced mirror around but they still felt the need to add MLU. I read a lot of support for MLU in this NG but I wonder how many of its proponents have tried to shoot without it.

I’ve noticed mirror shake when shooting consumer tele zooms where the body is mounted on the tripod head. Here’s an article about MLU, there’s another good study somewhere using an F3 that showed it amde a big difference but I don’t have the link with me. http://www.photo.net/photo/nature/mlu.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<Why is it that Nikon does not offer a Mirror Lock-Up feature with its bodies except on their manual cameras and on the F5? Do the auto-focus bodies below the F5 offer MLU/Aperture Pre-Fire with the self-timer activation instead of standard MLU? I’ve got to bet that they are convinced that, with the exception of their high-end pro users, hardly anyone else uses it. With today’s high speed, thin blade shutters MLU requires having a ’shutter blind’ in the camera. The added cost of this item apparently would push the price level of certain cameras beyond where Nikon wants them. And you’re right that few people use the feature, so it’s not something that is required by the masses.

Why do you believe this to be necessary? The shutter blades may be very thin, but they are AFAIK perfectly light tight. My EOS 1n works fine with MLU. Is there something odd about Nikon shutters? — David Littlewood

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Very good question! I personally use this feature whenever possible. I love Nikon’s and wish they would address this concern on all of their bodies. When shooting scenics or still lifes, it is an invaluable technique for optimum sharpness.

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It could be that the dampening of the mirror action is exceptionally good on some bodies. I’ve taken many 1:1 macro shots at slow shutter speeds (1 -1/30) as well as lots of tripod / bean bag shots with 400mm+ at 1/30 – 1/60 with extremely sharp shake-free results (and I’m very critical when editing this stuff). This is with an F100. I read a lot of support for MLU in this NG but I wonder how many of its proponents have tried to shoot without it. If you have a modern high-end body it could be worth experimenting to see if MLU really makes any difference. I’m really perplexed with those that insist on using it for subjects like landscapes with wide lenses – it’s almost like an obsessive disorder.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why is it that Nikon does not offer a Mirror Lock-Up feature with its bodies except on their manual cameras and on the F5? Do the auto-focus bodies below the F5 offer MLU/Aperture Pre-Fire with the self-timer activation instead of standard MLU? jim mueller

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Why is it that Nikon does not offer a Mirror Lock-Up feature with its bodies except on their manual cameras and on the F5? Do the auto-focus bodies below the F5 offer MLU/Aperture Pre-Fire with the self-timer activation instead of standard MLU? jim mueller

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<<Why is it that Nikon does not offer a Mirror Lock-Up feature with its bodies except on their manual cameras and on the F5? Do the auto-focus bodies below the F5 offer MLU/Aperture Pre-Fire with the self-timer activation instead of standard MLU? I’ve got to bet that they are convinced that, with the exception of their high-end pro users, hardly anyone else uses it.

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With today’s high speed, thin blade shutters MLU requires having a ’shutter blind’ in the camera. The added cost of this item apparently would push the price level of certain cameras beyond where Nikon wants them. And you’re right that few people use the feature, so it’s not something that is required by the masses. -=[ Karl ]=- karl at kpphotography dot com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<<Why is it that Nikon does not offer a Mirror Lock-Up feature with its bodies except on their manual cameras and on the F5? Do the auto-focus bodies below the F5 offer MLU/Aperture Pre-Fire with the self-timer activation instead of standard MLU? I’ve got to bet that they are convinced that, with the exception of their high-end pro users, hardly anyone else uses it.

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Did the Columbine shooters have OCD?

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Hello, I just read Time magazine’s coverage of the Columbine tapes (Issue December 20,99). I’m not sure if i was reading this right, but did Eric Harris the Columbine shooter suffer from OCD? If so was he in treatment? The reason i ask is supposedly he was on Luvox according to this latest article. Shit my doctor just switched me to luvox from Remeron. Anyone know if he was diagnosed with OCD or how much of the stuff he was on? Any information on the subject would be helpful.   WesternUSA1

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westernu…@aol.com (Western USA1) writes: > Hello, > I just read Time magazine’s coverage of the Columbine tapes (Issue December > 20,99). I’m not sure if i was reading this right, but did Eric Harris the > Columbine shooter suffer from OCD? If so was he in treatment? The reason i ask > is supposedly he was on Luvox according to this latest article. Shit my doctor > just switched me to luvox from Remeron. Anyone know if he was diagnosed with > OCD or how much of the stuff he was on? Any information on the subject would be > helpful.   > WesternUSA1

 Don’t compare yourself to this situation.  This thing was long planned-out before  the first bullet was fired. He was on  medications for problems within his  personal life.

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Dear western usa 1, (1) Please forget about those two very ill and disturbed nutjobs out at Columbine HS. Even if one of them had OCD or depression ( I do not know what Harris’ diagnosis was), it has nothing to do with you, me or anyone else on here. What ever drove them, or anyone else to commit heinous acts, has nothing to do with OCD. OCD is a non-violent disorder and NO ONE knows what made those two little psycho’s do what they did. (2) Regarding the definition of OCD, it does not cause anyone to commit harmful or hurtful acts. That is somethimng else or another disorder that person would have. There are many types of obsessions, but the obsessive disorder of OCD, involves ZERO harmful acts. Read the DSM-IV definition or any shrinks definition of OCD in any book. (3) It is just your OCD fear (or GAD fear) that make you afraid that you will do something harmful if you take Luvox or any SSRI. BULLSHIT!!! I am not saying it is 100% impossible, because I am not God. But, in my opinion, the chances of an SSRI causing someone to commit a terrible and heinous crime, would be less than .00001%. Your fears have been written on here several times before by other individuals and are without merit. Take Luvox and any other drug that has been taken by TENS of MILLIONS of americans without any incidents of unlawlessness. That is right. tens of illions of americans have taken all thse SSRI’s for OCD, GAD, phobia’s and depression. (4) It is my opinion that the Luvox had ZERO to do with this kid being homicidal. So, relax and take these drugs for the reason they were meant for: to help people with certain disorders live better lives. FUCK FEAR!!!! TL

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I live in Littleton, Colorado ,2 blocks from the shooting. No he did not have OCD. He was prescribed Luvox but he never took it. I’m on Luvox so don’t worry! I never shot anyone!!!!!!!!!Annmarie The brown eyed lady

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I agree with TOM, he seems to know what it is all about. Annmarie The brown eyed lady

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I also agree with Tom!!!!! Gretchen

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no i think the columbine shooter suffered from a lack of love as other post 90’s generation kids go through.  i see kids  in the 90’s  who dont say excume me,  cuss too much, say  fck you  as a  primary english lanuage. these new crazy shootings in the 90’s is a result of  a two parent working family.  where  both parents are so tired from working and they got no time and patients for a teenagers problems or bullshit and with they would go away cause they arent cute no more and wish they would stop bothering for new clothes and back street boys newest cd.

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Hey Toejam, Loved your post.   I agree with you. Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->no i think the columbine shooter suffered from a lack of love as other >post 90’s generation kids go through.  i see kids  in the 90’s  who dont >say excume me,  cuss too much, say  fck you  as a  primary english >lanuage. these new crazy shootings in the 90’s is a result of  a two >parent working family.  where  both parents are so tired from working >and they got no time and patients for a teenagers problems or bullshit >and with they would go away cause they arent cute no more and wish they >would stop bothering for new clothes and back street boys newest cd.

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For once I think you are right on. Ida TOEJAM <MATCHBOX…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:21183-38761BAE-173@storefull-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> no i think the columbine shooter suffered from a lack of love as other > post 90’s generation kids go through.  i see kids  in the 90’s  who dont > say excume me,  cuss too much, say  fck you  as a  primary english > lanuage. these new crazy shootings in the 90’s is a result of  a two > parent working family.  where  both parents are so tired from working > and they got no time and patients for a teenagers problems or bullshit > and with they would go away cause they arent cute no more and wish they > would stop bothering for new clothes and back street boys newest cd.

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Peter wrote:

Hey Tom! You are the voice of reason! I need someone like you to tell my OCD fears to all day everyday, and have you skilfully shoot them down in flames in the way demonstrated here! Can I employ you ? Good man! Gee!! Thanks Peter for the nice words. I know you are kidding, but unfortunately, I am not employable. I did hear of a shrink in Boston that charges…….are you ready for this?………$325/hr!!!!!!!!!  If I ever get better, I am going to "Shrink University" and put my ’shingle" out and charge BIG bucks to sit there for 50 minutes and say insightful things like, "is that so?", "tell me more", why do you think you feel that way?" and my favorite, "oh, our time is up, we’ll have to stop now"!!!! Thanks again and good luck with your reovery. Tom

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Thanks for your support, ladies. I really appreciate it. I know you will not understand this, but everytime someone agrees or supports me, it drives a couple of european posters crazy!! LOL!!! I love it. take care, Tom

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Thomas Luby skrev i meddelelsen <20036-38792446-…@storefull-284.iap.bryant.webtv.net>… >Thanks for your support, ladies. I really appreciate it. >I know you will not understand this, but everytime someone agrees or >supports me, it drives a couple of european posters crazy!!

It doesn’t drive me crazy, I just get a rash. — Lars delete .rat-pie to reply by e-mail ________________________ Moderated newsgroup: alt.support.ocd.moderated website: http://stump.algebra.com/~asom Chat: http://pages.hotbot.com/health/sillychickens/asomchat.html

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>Thomas Luby skrev i meddelelsen ><20036-38792446-…@storefull-284.iap.bryant.webtv.net>… >>Thanks for your support, ladies. I really appreciate it. >>I know you will not understand this, but everytime someone agrees or >>supports me, it drives a couple of european posters crazy!!

I read what you said in someone else’s response, Mr. Luby, and I agreed with every word you said. I must be driving myself crazy! I know how intelligent you can be. I’ve never been in any doubt about that. — simon —

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Why am I counting stitches?????

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     I have a slightly different approach to this;  I call it redundency. I always try to find ways of finding mistakes, *before* I have done too many stitches wrong.  Checking and rechecking the count, even over hundreds of stitches, tends to reassure me there is no mistake in the count. I think you’re on target with this:  reassurance.  I know that is the reason I count some things.  Even towels (as another person mentioned). Yep.  I have the same number this time as last time – so didn’t lose any! <very big grin

I do that with some laundry, flatware [my garbage disposal is carnivorous ], and dishes. — Seanette Blaylock X/USA/H+/-/-/1C(HFM Felix)/1B/Cat-a-Tudes "Priorities", Janlynn/XNCr/-/-/-/S/-/-/-/ Bombeck, Jeff Foxworthy/CHOCOLATE!

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<snip Checking and rechecking the count, even over hundreds of stitches, tends to reassure me there is no mistake in the count. : I think you’re on target with this:  reassurance.  I know that is the : reason I count some things.  Even towels (as another person mentioned). : Yep.  I have the same number this time as last time – so didn’t lose : any! <very big grin         The two things I count are steps in a stairwell (yup, still the same as the last thirteen hundred times I counted!) and train cars (at least there’s a different number every time!).  I’ve gotten my kids counting train cars, too.  Go figure!         Joan X/USA/H–/Y16,Y14,X13/1H/XKCrNC/H/:-D~ trying to :-X/?/G-/W+/D/M/B/b/R? S/K/E-/1F/Tom Cruise, Harrison Ford, Noah Wyle, George Clooney/Who has time to read anything but rctn?!?/DQ’s & chocolate-covered orange jelly sticks                                     Those who are so proud of keeping        Joan M. Erickson                 an orderly desk will never know the      Chester Fritz Library, UND       thrill of finding something they        Grand Forks, ND   58202          thought they had lost forever.                                             Gem of the day — Ann Landers  

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Hi all; I got rhythm!!! A while back I thought of a neat ideal. I was going to take an old calculator, mount the display up on my stitching station where I could see it, put the calculator key board on a board with a trigger switch and put this on the floor. Of course I was going to remove all the keys except for the number (1). Then connect a multi cable between the floor switch and the display. With everything up and running I could tap my foot each time I did a stitch. The display would show me how many stitches I had done. I was also going to put a cancel switch up by the display so I could reset to (0). Though I was a genius until DW asked me what was going to happen when she started playing some of her foot-stompin, rock ‘ roll tapes. "Up in the mornin n’ off to school". Nuff said. Back to the drawing board. Happy stitching Remove backstitch to e-mail Fred Kuhn Et in Arcadia Ego

     I have a slightly different approach to this;  I call it

redundency. I always try to find ways of finding mistakes, *before* I have done too many stitches wrong.  Checking and rechecking the count, even over hundreds of stitches, tends to reassure me there is no mistake in the count. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Jim Cripwell. I think you’re on target with this:  reassurance.  I know that is the reason I count some things.  Even towels (as another person mentioned). Yep.  I have the same number this time as last time – so didn’t lose any! <very big grin And I do think "rhythm" has something to do with it.  I sometimes catch myself humming melodies to the counting (like when the clock strikes and I’m bound to count the hour). Put all these things together and it equals one nifty personality trait! Dianne

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The reason that I asked the question in the first place, was that

I was doing hundreds of stitches for the background and they were all the same color, so why was I catching myself counting stitches. There was no reason to count! Maybe it’s because I am an amature. Go figure. Fred Kuhn I’m an habitual "counter".  It’s not your "amateur" status <grin, it’s your personality! Dianne

     I have a slightly different approach to this;  I call it redundency. I always try to find ways of finding mistakes, *before* I have done too many stitches wrong.  Checking and rechecking the count, even over hundreds of stitches, tends to reassure me there is no mistake in the count. — Jim Cripwell.  Treat the earth well.  For it was not given to us                by our parents, but lent to us by our children.                        Author unknown.

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     I have a slightly different approach to this;  I call it redundency. I always try to find ways of finding mistakes, *before* I have done too many stitches wrong.  Checking and rechecking the count, even over hundreds of stitches, tends to reassure me there is no mistake in the count. — Jim Cripwell.

I think you’re on target with this:  reassurance.  I know that is the reason I count some things.  Even towels (as another person mentioned). Yep.  I have the same number this time as last time – so didn’t lose any! <very big grin And I do think "rhythm" has something to do with it.  I sometimes catch myself humming melodies to the counting (like when the clock strikes and I’m bound to count the hour). Put all these things together and it equals one nifty personality trait! Dianne

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Fred,  I once read that counting obsessively can be considered "compulsive behavior."  In fact, I believe Piers Anthony  (author of the Xanth series) mentioned it having this.   Frankly, I wouldn’t worry about it, if I were you.  There are alot more dangerous compulsions out there.  Human beings are creatures of rythym, and rythym is another form of counting.  Does it hinder you while you stitch?  Does it help you relax?   Please don’t think that I’m hinting that there is something "wrong" with you because you count your stitches.  Hell, if that’s "wrong", well, we should all have only that wrong with us!

I tend to count some laundry items [DH's socks, his underwear, my underwear] and occasionally do dish/glass/flatware censuses, just to be sure that nothing got eaten by machinery or broken and discarded without being mentioned to me. I only count each category once, during putting-away stages of cleanup, so I think I’m probably OK here. — Seanette Blaylock X/USA/H+/-/-/1C(HFM Felix)/1B/Cat-a-Tudes "Priorities", Janlynn/XNCr/-/-/-/S/-/-/-/ Bombeck, Jeff Foxworthy/CHOCOLATE!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Little of topic, I count empty beer cans <just to check no one nicked one Does that make me paranoid ? John, checking for nicks in your beer cans?  Yes, that’s paranoid.  Now, if some one had stolen one, that’d be a different matter all together! Hehe Nicked = Stolen, but then you knew that <putting on best "stupid American" expression No!  You don’t say! <grin Edie aka The Ambitious Wench "Barkeep–what is that gentleman on the floor having?" "A Pan-Galactic Gargleblaster." "Good.  Gimme one."

I’ll take one too….. So how ya been Wenchie?

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The reason that I asked the question in the first place, was that I was doing hundreds of stitches for the background and they were all the same color, so why was I catching myself counting stitches. There was no reason to count! Maybe it’s because I am an amature. Go figure. Remove backstitch to e-mail Fred Kuhn Et in Arcadia Ego – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hahahaah FRed had to laugh! I am not buying patterns but make my own , thus i am in constant Status of counting , in my Weaving i count and calculate Warp threads , i have a 48 inch wide loom and sometimes work withnthreads that are 10-20 an inch ,,, you may calaculate that ,,, als i have to calculate shrinkage and such , so i find myself counting ALOUD , i do double check myself and do it once on paper once on my small [ solar] calculator . In knitting after guaging and swatchin I hAVE TO CALCULTE every single st and so on in sewing one has to add seams and darts Is this a common phenomena and how do you stop? But in this Sort of embroidery On camnvas i have learned an abcuent old `trick` which i willingly share ith you , ON the printed / drawn cvhart i draw COLORED lines RED every 10th line , green every 5th line , so the whole work is checkerd , than when working on the material I pull  a Red sewing thread [ careful take only Fast colors ] with needle through this imaginary 1oth line and a green thread through the 5th line , now i can rest and stop counting so `hystericly` works for me !!!! All the best mirjam

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Little of topic, I count empty beer cans <just to check no one nicked one Does that make me paranoid ? John, checking for nicks in your beer cans?  Yes, that’s paranoid.  Now, if some one had stolen one, that’d be a different matter all together! Hehe Nicked = Stolen, but then you knew that <putting on best "stupid American" expression No!  You don’t say! <grin

I remember your up bringing — Sober I`m looking at the man in the Mirror, I`m asking him to change his ways. <MJ I`l change when find a honest Woman. <JSS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Edie aka The Ambitious Wench "Barkeep–what is that gentleman on the floor having?" "A Pan-Galactic Gargleblaster." "Good.  Gimme one."

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Hahahaah FRed had to laugh! I am not buying patterns but make my own , thus i am in constant Status of counting , in my Weaving i count and calculate Warp threads , i have a 48 inch wide loom and sometimes work withnthreads that are 10-20 an inch ,,, you may calaculate that ,,, als i have to calculate shrinkage and such , so i find myself counting ALOUD , i do double check myself and do it once on paper once on my small [ solar] calculator . In knitting after guaging and swatchin I hAVE TO CALCULTE every single st and so on in sewing one has to add seams and darts Is this a common phenomena and how do you stop?

But in this Sort of embroidery On camnvas i have learned an abcuent old `trick` which i willingly share ith you , ON the printed / drawn cvhart i draw COLORED lines RED every 10th line , green every 5th line , so the whole work is checkerd , than when working on the material I pull  a Red sewing thread [ careful take only Fast colors ] with needle through this imaginary 1oth line and a green thread through the 5th line , now i can rest and stop counting so `hystericly` works for me !!!! All the best mirjam

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Hi Dianne You might have something there about a personality trait. When I’m at an intersection and 175 cars(I count) go by before I can pull out into traffic my DW says that I turn into a Gorilla. Not sure what I look like when I’m stitching. I think that I will put a mirror up on my stitching station and find out. Happy stitching. Remove backstitch to e-mail Fred Kuhn Et in Arcadia Ego

The reason that I asked the question in the first place, was that I was

doing hundreds of stitches for the background and they were all the same color, so why was I catching myself counting stitches. There was no reason to count! Maybe it’s because I am an amature. Go figure. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fred Kuhn I’m an habitual "counter".  It’s not your "amateur" status <grin, it’s your personality! Dianne

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I count too, not only crosstitch but other things, I think it has to do with either being a rythmic person, or maybe it is a compulsive obsessive disorder, who knows. I have noticed that when I for example take towels out of the dryer that I will count them….not conciously, just kind of like, one…..fold, two….fold….and so on. I do this with many things. When it begins to irritate me I notice it and make a concious effort to stop and sometimes ask myself why I was just counting.  But I think it can be helpful when counting crosstitch, I can also  count to high numbers and not be sidetracked into forgetting my place.:-) Lynn Dianne Lewandowski schrieb: The reason that I asked the question in the first place, was that I was doing hundreds of stitches for the background and they were all the same color, so why was I catching myself counting stitches. There was no reason to count! Maybe it’s because I am an amature. Go figure. Fred Kuhn I’m an habitual "counter".  It’s not your "amateur" status <grin, it’s your personality! Dianne

– Stitch-Frau WIP:Hand charted poodle face, two German landscapes, Eye glass case (for me!) "….and I’m sure the sewing done by these pricked fingers will last a long time, so much goodwill went into the stitches."      - Little Women by Alcott

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The reason that I asked the question in the first place, was that I was doing hundreds of stitches for the background and they were all the same color, so why was I catching myself counting stitches. There was no reason to count! Maybe it’s because I am an amature. Go figure. Fred Kuhn

I’m an habitual "counter".  It’s not your "amateur" status <grin, it’s your personality! Dianne

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Little of topic, I count empty beer cans <just to check no one nicked one Does that make me paranoid ?

John, checking for nicks in your beer cans?  Yes, that’s paranoid.  Now, if some one had stolen one, that’d be a different matter all together! <grin Edie aka The Ambitious Wench "Barkeep–what is that gentleman on the floor having?" "A Pan-Galactic Gargleblaster." "Good.  Gimme one."

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Little of topic, I count empty beer cans <just to check no one nicked one Does that make me paranoid ? John, checking for nicks in your beer cans?  Yes, that’s paranoid.  Now, if some one had stolen one, that’d be a different matter all together!

Hehe Nicked = Stolen, but then you knew that — Sober I`m looking at the man in the Mirror, I`m asking him to change his ways. <MJ I`l change when find a honest Woman. <JSS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <grin Edie aka The Ambitious Wench "Barkeep–what is that gentleman on the floor having?" "A Pan-Galactic Gargleblaster." "Good.  Gimme one."

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Little of topic, I count empty beer cans <just to check no one nicked one Does that make me paranoid ? John, checking for nicks in your beer cans?  Yes, that’s paranoid.  Now, if some one had stolen one, that’d be a different matter all together! Hehe Nicked = Stolen, but then you knew that

<putting on best "stupid American" expression No!  You don’t say! <grin Edie aka The Ambitious Wench "Barkeep–what is that gentleman on the floor having?" "A Pan-Galactic Gargleblaster." "Good.  Gimme one."

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Being used to buying patterns which indicate size ie. 120 x 120 stitches, then using 10 point mesh my brain tells me the pattern will be 12 x 12 inches. Buy the yarn and away we go. Lately I picked up a pattern that was 12 inches in dia. and was going to need a 2-1/2 inch boarder. No problem for someone on the ball. Buy 24 x 24 inch 10 mesh canvas, yarn, a 1/2 doz. needles, find the center, continental stitchys here we come. While I was finishing the main pattern with my brain out in the twilight zone somewhere I mentally figure 6 x 6 x 3.14  x 100 = 11,304 stitches. I must be nuts. Then I figure 8.5 x 8.5 x 3.14 x 100 = 22,686. Now I know I’m missing a stitch or two. Would you buy a pattern that indicated that it needed 22,686 stitches?? Ahh 22686/150=181.5 hours, not including rip-outs!!! This means that I’m only half done or I need a math refresher course. Oh well at least the background is all one color so it should go pretty fast. As I was completing the third row on the top of the background I found that I was mentally counting stitches. Is this a common phenomena and how do you stop? I can’t see much sense to counting background stitches all of which are the same color. Happy stitching and a happy healthy new year!!! — Remove backstitch to e-mail Fred Kuhn Et in Arcadia Ego

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Fred, Never thought of counting stitches. I think it would discourage me from trying osme of the big pieces i enjoy having as WIP’s to go back to. Happy Stitching Norma

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As I was completing the third row on the top of the background I found that I was mentally counting stitches. Is this a common phenomena and how do you stop?

Fred,  I once read that counting obsessively can be considered "compulsive behavior."  In fact, I believe Piers Anthony  (author of the Xanth series) mentioned it having this.   Frankly, I wouldn’t worry about it, if I were you.  There are alot more dangerous compulsions out there.  Human beings are creatures of rythym, and rythym is another form of counting.  Does it hinder you while you stitch?  Does it help you relax?   Please don’t think that I’m hinting that there is something "wrong" with you because you count your stitches.  Hell, if that’s "wrong", well, we should all have only that wrong with us! Edie aka The Ambitious Wench "Barkeep–what is that gentleman on the floor having?" "A Pan-Galactic Gargleblaster." "Good.  Gimme one."

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As I was completing the third row on the top of the background I found that I was mentally counting stitches. Is this a common phenomena and how do you stop? Fred,  I once read that counting obsessively can be considered "compulsive behavior."  In fact, I believe Piers Anthony  (author of the Xanth series) mentioned it having this. Frankly, I wouldn’t worry about it, if I were you.  There are alot more dangerous compulsions out there.  Human beings are creatures of rythym, and rythym is another form of counting.  Does it hinder you while you stitch?  Does it help you relax? Please don’t think that I’m hinting that there is something "wrong" with you because you count your stitches.  Hell, if that’s "wrong", well, we should all have only that wrong with us!

Little of topic, I count empty beer cans <just to check no one nicked one Does that make me paranoid ? — Sober I`m looking at the man in the Mirror, I`m asking him to change his ways. <MJ I`l change when find a honest Woman. <JSS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Edie aka The Ambitious Wench "Barkeep–what is that gentleman on the floor having?" "A Pan-Galactic Gargleblaster." "Good.  Gimme one."

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advice about a 3 year old

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I am concerned about my niece (who has just turned three). Some of her behaviour seems somewhat obsessive. For example: * She can’t stand having anything that doesn’t belong in her room in her room (eg her brother’s toys). She throws them out the door. * My sister-in-law said that when she had a bath yesterday she arranged all the toys and objects around the bath so that they were all facing the right way and ordered. * Her doona is her security blanket. (Since she was a baby). It has a multi-coloured frill but she always holds the yellow part of the frill in her fist and sucks her thumb. It is always the yellow part. * She has to have about half a dozen of her toys and belongings in her bed at night. * I noticed when she was younger (i haven’t noticed it recently) that she couldn’t stand having a mess on her hands. Does this indicate that she could have some sort of obsessive disorder? How young can it start? I am feeling worried about her. I don’t think her parents can see that there is anything wrong but I am feeling worried about her. Thankyou for any advice you can give. I would greatly appreciate it. A very concerned auntie………….

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On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:18:37 -0000, "pearlygates" <fires…@ix.net.au> wrote: >Does this indicate that she could have some sort of obsessive disorder? How >young can it start? I am feeling worried about her. >I don’t think her parents can see that there is anything wrong but I am >feeling worried about her.

Sounds like an intelligent cutie to me.  

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Hey there concerned auntie, I don’t know much about kids but that behavior doesn’t like OCD to me really – it sounds like normal things kids go through. When my nephews where young they all did similar stuff – kids are weird! And they are all ‘normal’ young men in their 20’s now. It is good to be concerned but being overly concerned can create problems where they might not exist. If your niece is generally happy and ‘normal’ I wouldn’t be too concerned about OCD. Talk with her parents about your concerns. Others will probably have better advice. Though are just my thoughts. pearlygates wrote: > Does this indicate that she could have some sort of obsessive disorder? How > young can it start? I am feeling worried about her. > I don’t think her parents can see that there is anything wrong but I am > feeling worried about her. > Thankyou for any advice you can give. I would greatly appreciate it.

– Monkey http://pages.hotbot.com/health/sillychickens/ mon…@gilligansisland.net (to email me axe ‘gilligans’) —

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Hi Pearly, pearlygates wrote: > I am concerned about my niece (who has just turned three). Some of her > behaviour seems somewhat obsessive. For example: > * She can’t stand having anything that doesn’t belong in her room in her > room (eg her brother’s toys). She throws them out the door.

Only her brothers toys? My 3 year old throws her 8 year old brother out. (sook that he is) > * My sister-in-law said that when she had a bath yesterday she arranged all > the toys and objects around the bath so that they were all facing the right > way and ordered.

Perfectly normal. It shows awareness of her surroundings and a healthy urge to create order and harmony. My kids do this and I would spend hours lining up my toys in the living room as a kid. I’m a slob now and couldn’t care less.  I still have toys though, only more expensive. > * Her doona is her security blanket. (Since she was a baby). It has a > multi-coloured frill but she always holds the yellow part of the frill in > her fist and sucks her thumb. It is always the yellow part.

This is definitely not a problem and is a pet subject of mine. It’s called a transitional object. A major part of her psyche and should not be taken away. My son has a toy panda as his. I suspected him of being ADD until I let him take Panda to school and he settled down quick as a wink. Now he has carte-blanche to take it any where he likes.   As we grow we discard such obvious objects for more subtle ones but we all use them at some times in our lives. They function as a source of security while we change or grow. Growth goes in spurts, as a result of a build up of psychic energy that gives rise to changes in behaviour and thinking. Psychologists call this a ‘transition’. I lost a transitional object at age 9 and it caused all sorts of traumas that impeded my emotional development. I suspect I lost another at 17 which caused further screw ups. Make sure she gets to keep her blanket until she voluntarily lets it go, which might be years. I bet she looks cute with it. If you are worried that she still has it when she goes to school she will probably be ok leaving it in her locker, just knowing it is nearby and safe should be enough reassurance for her, especially if her parents and teachers are supportive of it. > * She has to have about half a dozen of her toys and belongings in her bed > at night.

Yep, quite normal. I used to have a game where I rescued all my toys from the cupboard because my bedroom was flooding. I wouldn’t sleep until they were all safely aboard. My kids have their beds stuffed with toys too. They have there own little world, their toys are real people as far as they are concerned. My son and daughter act out all sorts of relationships using their toys. I did too, each of my toys had a personality and role in my fantasy land. Better to let them experiment now than to use real people later on. > * I noticed when she was younger (i haven’t noticed it recently) that she > couldn’t stand having a mess on her hands.

Now she won’t stay clean? Normal. > Does this indicate that she could have some sort of obsessive disorder? How

I doubt it. > young can it start? I am feeling worried about her. > I don’t think her parents can see that there is anything wrong but I am > feeling worried about her. > Thankyou for any advice you can give. I would greatly appreciate it. > A very concerned auntie………….

Don’t be, she seems like a perfectly normal kid to me. Have fun with her and don’t forget the blanket. Regards, Trevor

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stop the sugar cravings!!!

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buggirl,      i notice that after binging and purging (on sweets) that the next day, my craving for binge food is very strong. but when i go several days not binging, and follow a meal plan with no sugar, i feel much much better.  i know for me that if i eat candy or sugar,  i will crave more.  something to do with insulin levels. shell

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buggirl, i am coming out of lurkdom to answer this b/c i feel like I literally could subsist on sugar.  My body craves it all the time, but I think that reason is because I am not eatig enough and the sugar levels in my body drop. And so, to replenish these emtpy stores, I eat tons of sugar.  I notice that when I try to eat more regularly, my body craves sugar less and less.  Maybe all you need to do is to eat on a more regular basis, consuming a balanced diet! peace and health, honeybee

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Have you tried any of the sugar free candies?  There are some made by Sorbee, which are pretty good, but be careful that you don’t eat too many because they can give you diarrhea and a horrible stomach ache.  Maybe you can eat those to substitute some of your real sugar, this way you might be able to continue eating some sugar, just not as much. Take care. Karen

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does anyone have any ideas for how i can stop craving sugar so much?? its driving me crazy… the rest is spoilered for mention of food… * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * i still crave it after i eat tons of candy. i could eat candy all day if i wanted to, i love it so much. ive tried substituting fruit but that only works for so long. i live on-campus at college so sugar, candy and cookies are very abundant and convient to buy. i cant eat anywhere without having the option of buying a giant size cookie or some chocolate chip bread. ive tried telling myself that ill get fat if i eat it, but i end up eating it anyway. plus with halloween coming up im afraid that im going to go totally bezerk and end up eating bags of it….so what should i do? is this some kind of obsessive disorder thing? if anybody else has these annoying cravings/obsessions or if you know how to control them, please write me!! with love, *buggirl*

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Harry Krause Gaffs Bayliner (Pix !!)

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AP – Jacksonville, Fla. – Local fisherman and boaters in general across the USA were in disbelief at what the self described writer and amateur political observer Harry Krause did today. Apparently, while fishing 25 miles offshore in about 135 feet of water, Mr. Krause hooked and successfully managed to gaff a Bayliner Trophy boat, which he proudly displayed.

<snipped When asked what he did with the boat after gaffing it Mr. Krause replied, "The remains went overboard. Sad. But not a scrap was wasted, because it’s all junk anyway." .

 Can some one post this famous pix to a web page for those of us whose servers don’t accept binaries. Thanks, Bill — Opinions expressed are mine not necessarily my employers. All other standard disclaimers apply! Remove nospam. To email reply.

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HARRY !!!!     "URGENT" Please Warn all Bayliner owners of the eminent danger They are placing their boats in!! The Barracuda that attacked the B’Liner trophy you reeled in was "not" a random attack!! Research has shown that B’Liners look / smell like Mackerel to Barracuda’s and every B’Liner especially, Trophy’s, are in "GRAVE" danger of such an attack. You know how razor sharp their teeth are, and could easily shred a B’Liner hull in seconds. And with poor flotation (if any) that also places the boaters in danger as well, and you know what the main course for the barracuda will be? "ULP" (especially if they are wearing shiny jewellery). BTW, you said the Trophy put up a good fight, using medium tackle and 8 lb. test line. Shouldn’t you have been able to pull it in with ease on an ultra-lite rig and 2lb. test? Or were you afraid the 2 oz. Pyramid sinker on your line plus, the Trophy may have been a tad too heavy for ultra-lite tackle? Please let me know as I plan on a Trophy fishing trip this week, and want to bring the proper tackle. Thanks Harry. ALFENEW

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Could also serve a third purpose …..custom BBQ grill for those days when you just cant wait to get back home to cook ur catch….BOOOMMMMMM Glenn

 I fill it with gasoline and use it as an enormous "Skippy-Jar." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Better than those jerry jugs anyday. — Harry Krause EMAIL from newsgroup? Remove -nospam from return address – - – - – - – - – - SignatureMaster 32-bit E-mail Signature & Tagline Manager

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Can some one post this famous pix to a web page for those of us whose servers don’t accept binaries. Thanks, Bill

You can find it at: http://members.home.com/boat4sale/harry.html Roger Huebner

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Triple purpose??  Maybe float a couple of six packs in with the cold gas & fish? Just one question.  Doesn’t the gasoline leave the fish with a bit of after taste?

Not if you ignite it. I like smoked fish.

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Triple purpose??  Maybe float a couple of six packs in with the cold gas & fish? Just one question.  Doesn’t the gasoline leave the fish with a bit of after taste? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Our local fish market only sells *fresh* firm fish that don’t smell fishy. Well, in that case, your wife is definitely going to know it didn’t hang on the stringer half the day and then sit in the bilge for the ride home. You’ll just have to beat up that store-bought fish a little before you take it home if you’re going to pass it off as your own catch. Whom can we laugh at if not at ourselves? I keep saying that as I comb what’s left of my hair in front of the mirror. — — Stinger? Bilge? You know me. Any fish I catch to eat goes into a custom-made Rybovich/Hatteras refrigerated fish coffin mounted between the center console and front casting platform of our little boat. Device is dual-purpose: if I go way offshore. I fill it with gasoline and use it as an enormous "Skippy-Jar." Better than those jerry jugs anyday. — Harry Krause EMAIL from newsgroup? Remove -nospam from return address – - – - – - – - – - SignatureMaster 32-bit E-mail Signature & Tagline Manager

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Our local fish market only sells *fresh* firm fish that don’t smell fishy. Well, in that case, your wife is definitely going to know it didn’t hang on the stringer half the day and then sit in the bilge for the ride home. You’ll just have to beat up that store-bought fish a little before you take it home if you’re going to pass it off as your own catch. Whom can we laugh at if not at ourselves? I keep saying that as I comb what’s left of my hair in front of the mirror. — —

Stinger? Bilge? You know me. Any fish I catch to eat goes into a custom-made Rybovich/Hatteras refrigerated fish coffin mounted between the center console and front casting platform of our little boat. Device is dual-purpose: if I go way offshore. I fill it with gasoline and use it as an enormous "Skippy-Jar." Better than those jerry jugs anyday. — Harry Krause EMAIL from newsgroup? Remove -nospam from return address – - – - – - – - – - SignatureMaster 32-bit E-mail Signature & Tagline Manager

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AP – Jacksonville, Fla. – Local fisherman and boaters in general across the USA were in disbelief at what the self described writer and amateur political observer Harry Krause did today. Apparently, while fishing 25 miles offshore in about 135 feet of water, Mr. Krause hooked and successfully managed to gaff a Bayliner Trophy boat, which he proudly displayed.

This is hilarious, Roger. Damned gaff went in one side and out the other.

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AP – Jacksonville, Fla. – Local fisherman and boaters in general across the USA were in disbelief at what the self described writer and amateur political observer Harry Krause did today. Apparently, while fishing 25 miles offshore in about 135 feet of water, Mr. Krause hooked and successfully managed to gaff a Bayliner Trophy boat, which he proudly displayed.

Outrageous!  Outrageously funny!  Outstanding post, Roger. — Skipper

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Our local fish market only sells *fresh* firm fish that don’t smell fishy.

Well, in that case, your wife is definitely going to know it didn’t hang on the stringer half the day and then sit in the bilge for the ride home. You’ll just have to beat up that store-bought fish a little before you take it home if you’re going to pass it off as your own catch. Whom can we laugh at if not at ourselves? I keep saying that as I comb what’s left of my hair in front of the mirror. — —

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Well IM shocked and chagrinned(sp) that Harry Didnt catch and release his TROPHY.  

Well, Roger’s been trying to sell a Bayliner for a long time. Maybe Harry can buy a Trophy from Roger. You know, like when you stop by the fish market on the way home from a day on the lake. ps good post Rog.

I fifth that. — —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well IM shocked and chagrinned(sp) that Harry Didnt catch and release his TROPHY. Well, Roger’s been trying to sell a Bayliner for a long time. Maybe Harry can buy a Trophy from Roger. You know, like when you stop by the fish market on the way home from a day on the lake. ps good post Rog. I fifth that. — —

– Our local fish market only sells *fresh* firm fish that don’t smell fishy. Harry Krause EMAIL from newsgroup? Remove -nospam from return address – - – - – - – - – - "Go ahead.  Blame Q if it makes you feel any better." — Q

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Well IM shocked and chagrinned(sp) that Harry Didn’t catch and release his TROPHY.

Wonder if the hull flexed when he gaffed her? — Skipper

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Very funny.  Great post, Roger.  And a tip of the hat to Harry for not only providing the raw material but for taking the gaffe (no pun intended) with such good humor.   This is really hilarious and very creative.  Thanks for the chuckle. Hawk Autoreply address is incorrect.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – AP – Jacksonville, Fla. – Local fisherman and boaters in general across the USA were in disbelief at what the self described writer and amateur political observer Harry Krause did today. Apparently, while fishing 25 miles offshore in about 135 feet of water, Mr. Krause hooked and successfully managed to gaff a Bayliner Trophy boat, which he proudly displayed. Some boaters who are acquainted with the intense dislike Mr. Krause has for Bayliner brand boats were nevertheless surprised by this latest escapade of his, but felt it was in keeping with his pattern of bashing Bayliner brand boats and verbally abusing owners of the boats. "Look, whenever the word Bayliner is mentioned, Harry has to put his two cents in. It’s like a compulsion, an obsessive disorder he has" said one boater. Many boaters, and several boating organizations, spoke out against the gaffing of the Bayliner, but the feisty Mr. Krause was quoted as saying, "If you want to look, go ahead. If you don’t, don’t. The Bayliner in the photo with me is one of Florida’s famous purposebuilt Bayliner Trophys. No, I don’t normally gaff Bayliner boats; but this one was had thinner than usual hulls, and no hardware on the side you don’t see." When asked whether he intended to continue going after Bayliner brand boats, Mr. Krause replied, "I am not now nor have I ever been "after" Bayliners", but many who know him say that just the opposite is true. When asked what he did with the boat after gaffing it Mr. Krause replied, "The remains went overboard. Sad. But not a scrap was wasted, because it’s all junk anyway." .

Bravo.Histerical.I didn’t know Rodney Dangerfield fished!

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