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I would be interested in talking with you more about math and physics… Do you use msn messenger or yahoo messenger? If not, I can download another… It is just that I have had terrible luck with finding someone who is serious about discussing physics or giving opinions etc. Even someone to answer or ask questions to.  It is incredibly interesting to me and I have done alot of studying on my own. You seem to be smart – I am "self taught" in physics and since I do not have the opportunity to converse with the anyone at the university, I am limited to the internet.. where the only thing anyone cares to talk about is sex.   SO!  If you would like..  let me know.

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"Kim" <kimberl…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:118o5jagrsvlkf0@corp.supernews.com… > I would be interested in talking with you more about math and physics… Do > you use msn messenger or yahoo messenger? If not, I can download >another…

i don’t have Yahoo or MSN at the moment.  i would like to hear from you at the email: tohuvohu AT aol DOT com i am not a physicist … i just enjoy reading popular accounts.  i have had electromagnetics and thermodynamics classes, but that’s about it. regards, m.

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I am downloading AOL instant messenger too, not because of you .. just because. I will email you soon. Forgot to mention The name kim below is my girlfriend. she and I both use this email for newsgroups but I have changed the info – so it works for both sexes. Anyways, I will be writing you soon.

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So when Kim posts a message, it could really be from her boyfriend and not from her?  I already had a mental image that Kim was a woman about 28 and very cute. "INVALID" <em…@email.com> wrote in message

news:118q33c9bjbmj51@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I am downloading AOL instant messenger too, not because of you .. just > because. I will email you soon. > Forgot to mention The name kim below is my girlfriend. she and I both use > this email for newsgroups but I have changed the info – so it works for > both > sexes. Anyways, I will be writing you soon.

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"Just Me" <thecli…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:Bd8je.4644$Ri4.3017@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… > So when Kim posts a message, it could really be from her boyfriend and not > from her?  I already had a mental image that Kim was a woman about 28 and > very cute.

i got confused.  i thought it was the Kim from Malaysia.  she used to post here occasionally. nice to see the new Kim and her boyfriend.  welcome! m.

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She is 26 and very cute..  I will be sure to sign my name. Nick is the Physics guy, he probably wont post here.. he was just interested the posts I read to him re: physics from Gravity. SO! If he does post, I will tell him to use his name, and from now on, I will use mine! Kim-

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Nope, not from malaysia, from Oregon USA. I am 26, and Nick is 28 – Nick and I both have issues with our heads. Nick is the sane one of us two. . if one of us were to be sane. We are more like best friends than a couple,  but theres no other category for us.. we happen to have a baby together, live together, love eachother etc. Thanks for the welcome!

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Its interesting how I can get these mental images of people at this newsgroup.  I have a different one for everyone and it sometimes changes if I find something out that’s new.  I once went to Stuart’s web site and saw a picture of him and it was pretty much what I thought he would look like. Sometimes, it might be different of course. I’m a little in love with a woman where I work.  She has complimented me a few times and been nice to me.  She wasn’t so nice when I first met her so she’s very special because I had to prove myself to her and she’s not just being courteous.  She’s married so nothing much will happen but its still a nice feeling. "INVALID" <em…@email.com> wrote in message

news:118q5pgg2f5po21@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> She is 26 and very cute..  I will be sure to sign my name. > Nick is the Physics guy, he probably wont post here.. he was just > interested > the posts I read to him re: physics from Gravity. > SO! If he does post, I will tell him to use his name, and from now on, I > will use mine! > Kim-

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I have only mental images of Gravity, and of PeacePipe. I am drawn to men with "fancy words"…. Drawn, like… I find them mysterious?? Maybe its just in my head. But I like that, both in friends, and in lovers. -kim

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I have a mental image of you that you have dark hair and dark complexion but green eyes.  I better not go in to anymore details as you might think its harassment.  I get the idea that you like to ride horses? "INVALID" <em…@email.com> wrote in message

news:118qeq5ingnjsd7@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I have only mental images of Gravity, and of PeacePipe. > I am drawn to men with "fancy words"…. Drawn, like… I find them > mysterious?? Maybe its just in my head. But I like that, both in friends, > and in lovers. > -kim

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Hello Gravity, Tomorrow is looking good at my job.  Very little stress.  Be by myself mostly, very pleasant.  And then the weekend starts. Just Me "gravity" <grav…@example.net> wrote in message

news:428d12e3_1@x-privat.org… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Just Me" <thecli…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:Bd8je.4644$Ri4.3017@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… >> So when Kim posts a message, it could really be from her boyfriend and >> not >> from her?  I already had a mental image that Kim was a woman about 28 and >> very cute. > i got confused.  i thought it was the Kim from Malaysia.  she used to post > here occasionally. > nice to see the new Kim and her boyfriend.  welcome! > m.

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Black hair, olive skin, but white.. like, more toward just a white chick with a tan… and dark green eyes.. BUT! no horses.. I did when I was younger.. but not in years. You can go on.. I thin k its fun, and I am not easily offended AT ALL.

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oh ya, that was from KIM

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I’ve got a mental image of you now for sure.  And you have long legs and wear jeans?  A little like a tom boy but very cute? "INVALID" <em…@email.com> wrote in message

news:118qgn9cn29p3e@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Black hair, olive skin, but white.. like, more toward just a white chick > with a tan… and dark green eyes.. BUT! no horses.. I did when I was > younger.. but not in years. You can go on.. I thin k its fun, and I am not > easily offended AT ALL.

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I wouldnt say I am very cute.. I am FAT right now, I just had a baby a few months ago.. but I wear like.. snowboarder/skater type clothes?? but not baggy like the boys. -kim

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OK, I’ve got a better image now.  Not quite as thin as I had assumed.  Do you have sz? "INVALID" <em…@email.com> wrote in message

news:118qhlui8q1tl46@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I wouldnt say I am very cute.. I am FAT right now, I just had a baby a few > months ago.. but I wear like.. snowboarder/skater type clothes?? but not > baggy like the boys. > -kim

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"Just Me" <thecli…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:Etbje.4778$Ri4.2635@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… > I’ve got a mental image of you now for sure.  And you have long legs and > wear jeans?  A little like a tom boy but very cute?

i think of tomboy when Pines posts.  she works part-time on the farm.  she’s probably a tough lady.  she is also a cute lady. m.

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I am not entirely sure, I have SEVERE OCD.. and have been diagnosed with that.. it has only been since I was 20 that I started to see things, but it is not out of control and I have no insurance.. so I dont know.  I have hallucinations and sometimes hear things, but it is not things like, voices talking to me .. sounding as if they were from someone else, instead more like thoughts telling me what to do. My family thinks so and wants me to get help, but my boyfriends brother had sz and killed himself, he heard voices, had "imaginary" friends and enemies etc. so if that is the typical sz, then no…. make sense?

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"INVALID" <em…@email.com> wrote in message

news:118q61ancvopa91@corp.supernews.com… > Nope, not from malaysia, from Oregon USA. > I am 26, and Nick is 28 – Nick and I both have issues with our heads. Nick > is the sane one of us two. . if one of us were to be sane. We are more like > best friends than a couple,  but theres no other category for us.. we happen > to have a baby together, live together, love eachother etc.

that sounds like a good arrangement.  i’m glad you guys have each other. the women i have dated have always been somewhat different than me.  i have never met a soul mate. m.

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Gravity- how old are you?? and um.. why dont I see you on my aol messenger list? I added you for nick…or me, doesnt matter kim

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"INVALID" <em…@email.com> wrote in message

news:118qkt7aj1cnmd1@corp.supernews.com… > Gravity- > how old are you?? and um.. why dont I see you on my aol messenger list? I > added you for nick…or me, doesnt matter

i am around 30. i need to get AOL instant messenger.  i use an AOL email address, but i’m logged in through People PC internet provider. regards, m.

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Hi Kim, Let me try too. Last week someone guessed the person wh I have a poster of in my front room. Okay how about this… The mists, the mists, the mists are starting to clear, yes, it is becoming clear…… I’m getting it, its startng to come through… You are at a computer keyboard on the first floor.  It might be a single story building.You are facing a wall but directly to your left are windows much natural light, and a porch. The house is built very low, and the ground is very lose to the floor of the porch. I see alot of natural wood surface in the house and even on the proch. Whats this I see….. WAIT..there’s something else thats coming through now… a giant BOX out in the front,  a gray elephant in the Box,  but all I can see is his trunk waving back and forth sticking out of the box, and he had a kazoo in his trunk, It sure does look like a kazoo….. and he’s playing the kazoo in reckless enthused joyful abandon..yes…thats it……. Its starting to fade now, the mists are returning… BUT WAIT…. YES…the elephant is playing Stars and Stripes forever on the kazoo from inside the box.. Giant box. Either that or its a snazzy weather vane on a small shed. I’m coming back now, its over, someone turn on the lights. Okay I’m okay, its over. Okay Kim, how did I do?

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Hi Kim, Let me try too. Like Just Me? Last week someone guessed the person who I have a poster of in my front room. Okay how about this… The mists, the mists, the mists are starting to clear, yes, it is becoming clear…… I’m getting it,  its startng to come through… You are at a computer keyboard on the first floor.  It might be a single story building.You are facing a wall but directly to your right are windows much natural light, and a porch. The house is built very low, and the ground is very lose to the floor of the porch. I see alot of natural wood surface in the house and even on the proch. Whats this I see????. WAIT..there’s something else thats coming through now… I’m getting it,  I’m getting it now…. a giant BOX out in the front,   and….. a gray elephant in the Box,  but all I can see is his trunk waving back and forth sticking out from the top of the box, and he has a kazoo in his trunk? It sure does look like a kazoo….. They are telling me that it s a kazoo… and he’s playing the kazoo in reckless enthused joyful abandon..yes…thats it……. Its starting to fade now, the mists are returning… BUT WAIT…. YES…the elephant is playing Stars and Stripes forever on the kazoo from inside the box.. Giant box. Either that or its a snazzy weather vane on a small shed. I’m coming back now, its over, someone turn on the lights. Okay I’m okay, its over. It always drains me so when I do this. Okay Kim, how did I do? Damerini the Magnificent

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Youre a dork !! but also amusing.. Close guess though… but the elephant was a rhino. almost got it though!! the haze must have clouded your view

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You might not need insurance.  A community mental health center will see anyone with or without any money.  At least that’s what I’ve always understood. "INVALID" <em…@email.com> wrote in message

news:118qid08sr8f7b9@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I am not entirely sure, I have SEVERE OCD.. and have been diagnosed with > that.. it has only been since I was 20 that I started to see things, but > it > is not out of control and I have no insurance.. so I dont know.  I have > hallucinations and sometimes hear things, but it is not things like, > voices > talking to me .. sounding as if they were from someone else, instead more > like thoughts telling me what to do. My family thinks so and wants me to > get > help, but my boyfriends brother had sz and killed himself, he heard > voices, > had "imaginary" friends and enemies etc. so if that is the typical sz, > then > no…. make sense?

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Does anyone know of any good FREE dog training web-site

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HOWEDY dog-sense, I had searched the net for a good (FREE – I never trust paying over the net) web-site for dog training but can’t find any… You’re SETTIN in it…

Hey Jerry! What happened to your web site??? I got a NASTY message when I tried to access it. I hope these Dog-Abusing Thugs didn’t cause you harm.  I know they make a full-time job of trying. Charlie

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HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman, Your local library should have some good dog training books.

Yeah? Think you’d like to RECOMMEND WON? If they can’t get the book you want

If you’d be kindly enough to RECOMMEND WON, The Amazing Puppy Wizard will be eager to DISCREDIT the book and it’s author… JUST LIKE HOWE HE DONE IT TO YOU and the rest of you Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and ACUTE ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES who post here.  they will often be able to get it through inter-library loan.

And he’ll GET THE SAME SAME SAME SAME RESULTS you and your punk thug coward mental case pals get… For most effective learning on your part you will want someone who can watch you and help you become more aware of when you are being too slow or too fast.

And they’ll know WHEN and HOWE to HURT your dog pupperly…  A skilled observer can help you to avoid developing bad habits

Like MURDERIN your dog on accHOWENT of you can’t stop HURTIN IT. that make it more difficult for your dog to understand what is wanted.

Your books only teach bribery pain fear and force.  Usually people who provide a benefit to you expect some recognition of their efforts.

Yeah. The followin post will demonstrate your SUCCESS…  If providing monetary compensation is beyond you then consider exchanging your own skills with them.

Tit for Tat, eh Master Of Deception blankman?  What things of value and use of others can you give to them?

BWEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!! Diane Blackman http://dog-play.com/ http://dogplay.com/Shop/

Here’s your own PERSONAL REAL LIFE PARTNER: KOEHLER" lynn, SAR Trainer HOWEDY People, What kinda IDIOCY is this?: "Remember this – The decision to "do right" that most helps a dog’s character is the decision that he makes himself. You cannot teach a dog to not want something, any more than you can teach a human not to  want something."  "I’m a Koehler-based trainer and used almost   exactly the same techniques with my very dog   aggressive bitch.   2.  I have often rejected many of Koehler’s Capt.   13 methods, from his response to digging to tieing   things in a dog’s mouth.   FWIW, I use almost none of Koehler’s training   techniques, having found methods I prefer, but   still find much value in his approach to dogs.   Briefly, I didn’t refer to Koehler and didn’t   mean Koehler when I used the term   "confrontational".    Natalie, it is next to impossible to form any kind    of educated opinion on the work of the late Wm.    Koehler from what is said or quoted in this newsgroup.    The conclusion you have reached illustrates that.    "Remember this – The decision to "do right" that    most helps a dog’s character is the decision that    he makes himself."    Personally, I’m not a Koehler trainer,    I don’t use a choke chain, and I don’t    believe a dog learns anything by being    hung.   Please don’t make the mistake of believing Jerry’s   characterization of me or any other trainer.  He has   never met any of us and has no idea how anyone   here actually trains.    Jerry labelling someone as a Koehler type    doesn’t make it so.    Lynn K.   "Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution   Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"   lynn.      lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:     For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and     pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.     When he barks, use the line for a correction.   – if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.    Lynn K. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you’re prepared to be impressed by seriousness in a dog, Koehler is for you. Ron, your whole post was incredibly good. It resonated with appreciation for honest working dogs. I’ve begun to think that the bond and partnership that comes from working with a dog is something that has to be experienced and felt. It cannot be explained and someone who is limited to begging, cajoling, bribery and hoping will never experience it. Maybe that’s really what is meant when we say "trust your dog". Lynn K.

  "Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution   Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"   lynn.      lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:     For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and     pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.     When he barks, use the line for a correction.   – if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.    Lynn K.    "I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in   one shelter.)  But their ability to set their own   schedules and duties causes a great deal of   scheduling overhead.   And it takes effort and thought to ensure that   volunteers get the meaningful experience that   they work for.    Someone has to be responsible for that    Volunteer Program, and it is best done    by a non-volunteer."    Lynn K.   "I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed   every adoptable dog on intake.  I frankly felt that the   effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the   older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted   condition.   Should I have refused to groom them?    Or even more pertinent – I was one of the people who   had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."   Lynn K. Lynn, looks like he got you there if these quotes are true. In the posts below you take responsibility for making those calls. In your post above, you state you do not make those calls. Which one is it?

BBBWEEEEEEAAAAAAHAHAHHAHHAAA!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HOWEDY Lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn, You’ve been discredited by gettin bagged in your lies and discovered in your twenty year fight against mental illness in so many ways it’s PATHETIC and CRUEL to The Amazing Puppy Wizard to read the tripe you write. michael erskin would be INSANE to believe you. And he’d be NUTS not to apologize to The Amazing Puppy Wizard for all the WORK he’s cost HIM. But THAT’S not necessary, on accHOWENT of althHOWE it’s a DIRTY JOB, someWON gotta do it and The Amazing Puppy Wizard didn’t notice anyWON willing to go the extra mile to push michael over the brink of insanity or back into reality. That’s a TOUGH CHOICE. Let’s hope michael doesn’t buy the farm like the dogs you abuse. Anyone got ideas on what to do with this dog that might help him to decide that he wants to follow and that he has nothing to fear from me? Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior I remember reading posts about him, and seeing his photos at a binary newsgroup. I know he died I never knew what did happen, and I assumed he had a previously unknown health problem. Robert put Fritz down for aggression problems. Lynn K. Crim Writes About Koehler’s "Methods’ I sincerely believe that this dog was an genetic mess and that I still feel that the end would have been the same, no matter what method of training was or was not used. I believe the same, and said so to Robert at the time. He was in a great deal of pain and looking for answers that were not readily available. That doesn’t mean that the answers he grasped at were correct. Lynn K. Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs come forward and actually believe in his training manual. Robert Crim writes: I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp. To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake names are more honest than people that use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and lived by their craft for decades. "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I

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HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman,

whittled these words: I had searched the net for a good (FREE – I never trust paying over the net) web-site for dog training but can’t find any…can anyone

help. Oh? You always sez we CAN’T LEARN dog trainin from a book on accHOWENT of it’s a physical skill best learned at the heel of a MASTER DOG TRAINER like captain arthur haggerty or uncle matty or even HOWER own janet boss, lying frosty dahl, leah roberts or her mentor and your own personal real life best pal lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. Your local library should have some good dog training books.

Yeah. koehler and the MonkeysOfNotSoNewSkeete are most often recommended amongst HOWER EXXXPERTS like professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer and tommy sorenson aka gentleman jack morrison aka dogman. But he won’t admit to his real identity to avoid shame and embarrassment. If they  can’t get the book you want

Perhaps he should try to get dr ian dunbars video program? That’s been used by most of the EXXXPERTS we got postin here abHOWETS. You often recommend a few books on your website, you spammer. they will often be able to get it through inter-library loan.

You think they’ll have your favorite trainin books, Master Of Deception blankman?  For most effective learning on your part

You must know EVERY THING abHOWET LEARNIN, eh Master Of Deception blankman? you will want someone who can watch you and help you become more aware of when you are being too slow or too fast.

That so? You mean too slow or too fast HURTIN your dog. A skilled observer

Like you or diddler, Master Of Deception blankman? Hey? You remember when someWON posted here for advice for his two fear aggressive dogs and your pal lying "I LOVE KOEHELR" lynn taught him to rehabilitate WON dog? He never did write back tellin us HOWE nice his two dogs have been trained… can help you to avoid developing bad habits

Like not chokin and shockin your dog on time…  that make it more difficult for your dog to understand what is

wanted. Care to EXXXPLAIN HOWE jerkin and chokin a dog in a timely manner teaches IT to UNDERSTAND what YOU want, Master Of Deception blankman? Usually people who

USUALLY people who post here abHOWETS are lying dog abusing punk thug cowards and acute active long term incurable MENTAL CASES like you and the above mentioned dog abusers, Master Of Deception blankman <{) ; ~ )    provide a benefit to you expect some recognition of their efforts.

Yeah. Punk thug coward mental cases like your pals usually accept RECOGNITION IN ADVANCE and give NO guarantees. If providing monetary compensation

For being taught HOWE to jerk and choke and bribe and crate and intimidate a dog to make IT want to do as you order? is beyond you

Actually, it’s beyond the ability of ANY human being to HURT and INTIMIDATE and BRIBE and FORCE behaviors, Master Of Decpetion blankman, THAT’S HOWE COME you and your Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and ACUTE ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES all got THE SAME SAME SAME SAME PROBLEMS with their own dogs and can’t train them. BWEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHHAAAAA!!!  then consider exchanging your own skills with them.

INDEED? PERHAPS he should check the POSTED CASE HISTORIES of you and your Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Coward Mental Cases pryor to followin your ADVICE?  What things of value and use of others can you give to them?

HOWE abHOWET you get the heel HOWETA The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Forums and School Of HARD KNOCKS and HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORY, you lyin sack of dung? Diane Blackman http://dog-play.com/

                   "’Accentuate The Positive’ –             Punishment Free Training Is A Wonderful             Sounding Concept, A Great Sales Pitch,"             captain arthur haggerty, author, AKC Gazette.         HOWEDY People,         "Accentuate The Positive." That’s the title of our         friend captain haggerty’s column in the recent a.k.c.         gazette. "When positive reinforcement is all that is         necessary, training is pleasurable to both of you,"         says the good cap’n.         At least we can agree on that.         Maybe the good capt’n has been reading my posts         here and is feeling a lot self-conscious about our         recent progress teaching dog owners to understand         what’s gone wrong.         Well, its about time. Too bad the good cap’n (teacher         to uncle matty [see L.A.Weekly article] and our own         boob maida and ???possibly our own anonymous         dogman???) is on the wrong side the fear, force,         confrontation, and pain issue.         Our "traditional trainers" led by the likes of our good         cap’n and  our Descartean professors of behavior are         the root of the problem, rather than a source of         information and inspiration that we desperately need         and want…         Too bad our good cap’n is hiding behind the cover of         the akc and their publication The A.K.C. Gazzette,         where he can’t be forced to respond to this criticism         and indictment of his methods, methodology, and         madness and engage in discussion or debate or at         least TRY to defend his unconscionalble point of         view that HURTING BRIBING and INTIMIDATING DOGS         or CHILDREN to train them is apuprriate, intellignent,         and justifiable based on his thirty sumthin years of         HURTING INTMIDATING BRIBING and LOCKING DOGS         IN BOXES and tryin to get HOWET callin THAT,         TRAINING and MURDERING dogs he can’t abuse         into subordination… or "TRAIN", if you will.         You think he knows enough about dog training and         conditioning behavior to teach you HOWE to use only         positive reinforcement? He can’t do it himself, so         HOWE do you expect him to teach you?         The good cap’n mumbles on about his perception of         clicker training and calls it LUCK. He then goes on to         say: "if you have to let a dog know when it is doing         something right, then you must also let it know when         it is doing something wrong." (Don’t you just love it         when dog lovers refer to your dog as IT?)         HOWE does the good cap’n extrapolate the need to         let the dog know he’s doing something we want, to         being obligated to tell the dog he’s doing something         we don’t want?        That’s the point to USING "PURELY PLEASURABLE        POSITIVE ONLY, NON PHYSICAL SCIENTIFIC and        PSYCHOLOGICAL methods ONLY.         WE do not NEED to tell the dog NO if we         are smart enough to OUTWIT the cunning         of the domestic PUPPY DOG using EFFECTIVE         NON PHYSICAL CONDITIONING.         It’s EZ if you know HOWE. The good cap’n doesn’t. Or he wouldn’t NEED to HURT and INTMIMIDATE and LOCK DOGS IN BOXES and SHOCK and SPRAY AVERSIVES in their eyes and TELL US IT DON’T HURT.         The good cap’n further shoves his foot deep into his         mouth with: "the latter requires some sort of negative         reinforcement, which, of course, is something of an         oxymoron."        Too bad he doesn’t understand the scientific meaning        of the terms positive and negative reinforcent.         Yes I know exactly what the cap’n means. He means         that he does not have the intellect to be able to train a         dog without hurting and confronting him.         First he starts off talking "purely positive" and then he         says that because we tell the dog when he’s doing         something right, that we’re obligated to tell the dog         when he’s doing something wrong.         That’s what the cap’n does. Competent dog trainers         don’t do that because it’s confrontational and causes         aversions to commands and handler and TEACHES         dogs and children to DO those behaviors as soon a         his ABUSER turns his back.         "It can be as uncomplicated as saying a firm NO."         EXACTLY MY POINT.         Competent trainers don’t be telling dogs "firmly NO"         on account of that’s what provokes dogs to do more         of the same behavior to make us stop in our tracks         to tell them NO and spend time distracted WITH         them, when all we would have needed is to allow         the dog to attempt the behavior and make a brief         variably alternating distraction INSTANTLY followed         with PROLONGED SINCERE EXXXUBERANT         UNCONDITIONAL PRAISE.         Do that a few times in a row and the dog will be         broken of that behavior. But our heavy handed thick         headed weak minded cap’n can’t figure that out because         he doesn’t have the brains to outwit the cunning of         the domestic puppy dog or he wouldn’t NEED to hurt         and intimidate them, would he???         Or, is it because he enjoys jerking and choking and         confronting dogs to make them do what he wants? I         think our friend the good cap’n might have some         CONTROL issues to deal with in his own personality         complex.         "One good thing about negative reinforcement is that         when appropriately delivered, it can immediately stop         an unwanted behavior."         O.K. cap’n. You can repress a behavior but there is         often a replacement behavior that may be worse than         the behavior you are trying to repress. I can give dozens         of examples like SEPARATION anxiHOWESNESS         CAR SICKNESS, FEAR OF THUNDER, LIGHT /         SHADOW / FLY SNAPPING OCD’s, so don’t even         THINK of startin with that.         "Now I know there are people who claim that they use         only positive reinforcement and no negatives;" but the         good cap’n isn’t familar enough with dog training and         behavior to do that.

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HOWEDY dog-sense, I had searched the net for a good (FREE – I never trust paying over the net) web-site for dog training but can’t find any…

You’re SETTIN in it… WELCOME to The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’  End Dog Training Method Forums And SCHOOL Of HARD KNOCKS and HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORIES. can anyone help.

TRY THIS: HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman,

whittled these words: Anybody got thoughts on relative merits of these two spray collars? So far, the Masterplus system says Waterproof vs Spray Commander being Splash proof, and the Spray Commander control has a button to make a beep. I’ve used the Masterplus, and there was a slight pause between pressing the button and it spraying. I would really like to know if the Spray Commander has the same issue. As a user of a spray collar I hope you can address a question I’ve

had. Your own dogs have a VERY LONG CASE HISTORY of EXXXCESSIVE barkin. IN FACT you’ve day boarded your own dogs at the SICK animal HOWEspital to AVOID COMPLAINTS from your neighbors. It’s ALL in your own POSTED CASE HISTORY, Master Of Deception blaniman. YOU GOT THE SAME PROBLEM AND CAN’T TRAIN IT. Comin from a shock and pronged spiked pinch choke collar user who BEATS her dog in the face with your shepherd’s crook we’d EXXXPECT you to be askin HOWE COME he don’t just surgically mutilate his dog so IT CAN’T BARK, like HOWE you’ve RECOMMENDED pryor, Master Of Deception blankman. How do you discontinue the aversive effect

Dogs bark on accHOWENT of there’s SUMPTHIN WRONG, Master Of Deception blankman. HOWE COME you’d HURT a dog on accHOWENT of IT is AFRAID? of the scent when the undesireable behavior stops?

Same same as HOWE you discontinue the FEAR and PAIN when you jerk and choke your dog on your pronged spiked pinch choke collar with CUSTOM KNITTED COVER UP and shock and BEAT your dogs in the face with your shepherd’s crook, Master Of Deception blankman. YOU CAN’T, you miserable lyin dog abvsing punk thug coward mental case. People GO TO JAIL for DOIN what YOU DO to your dogs, Master Of Deception blankman.  Doesn’t the oil mist drift onto the dog?

Yeah, but it only HURTS when it hits them DIRECTLY in the eyes or nose. Diane Blackman http://dog-play.com/

HOWE COME you don’t ask him HOWE COME does he WANT to HURT his dog to TRAIN IT NOT TO BE AFRAID, Master Of Deception blankman? HOWE COME you don’t tell him HOWE to TRAIN his dog NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE to boot, like HOWE you done that poster askin abHOWET heelin? You remember, that’s when you GOT BAGGED for PLAGIARIZING The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual. REMEMBER? You read the heeling exercise and got your 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS just like HOWE all the other 100& CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students REPORT RIGHT HERE, you know, the WONS you call LIARS and their posts FORGERIES by The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~  ) You’re a particularly NASTY piece of work AIN’T YOU Master Of Deception blankman, hence the title, Master Of Deception <{) ; ~ ) The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{O ; ~ ) Oh, bye the bye, you can’t post here abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE. REMEMBER? <{) ; ~  )   BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAHHAHAHAHHAAAA

New Dog Owner with RETraining Issue

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HOWEDY communityguy,

I just got done talking to yet another Pet Safe Rep,

A safe shock device company. That’s a oxymoron, ain’t it. Last March we purchased the Instant Fence Containment System

Ahhh, a dog lover, eh? Dogs are TERRORTORIAL by NATURE. You can TRAIN a dog to stay on his pupperty withHOWET hurting him NEARLY INSTANTLY if you know HOWE. HOWER DOG LOVERS PREFER TO HURT INTIMIDATE BRIBE and CRATE dogs and try to get HOWET callin THAT, trainin. and an extra receiver for our second dog.

He’ll LOVE that.  It did not take long for one of the recievers to malfunction.

Ooops! If your SHOCK system TRAINED dogs not to ESCAPE their TERRORTORY the dog wouldn’t NEED the collar after IT was TRAINED. Unfortunatly we were not aware that you needed to physicaly check the recievers almost every day

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!! Could make you PARANOID. Perhaps THAT’S HOWE COME they got TEST LITES? because they just quit working so often.

Ooops! I am not talking about an issue of new batteries, I am talking about product malfunction.

You can’t EXXXPECT sumpthin that’s gonna HURT a dog to function pupperly on accHOWENT of HURTING dogs does not train them or you wouldn’t NEED a collar.  We lost Molly due to that malfunction,

Ooops!  had just gotten her fixed about 5 days before, it was devistating to my daughter.  Since then we have returned 4 times malfunctiong collars.

Too bad you hadn’t read The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual pryor to HURTING your dogs:

I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I started using the e-fence… well, then my concern became how to keep them from running off for days on end. I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great companion and friend. Thanks Jerry!  If you want to keep your pet safe and healthy it is my oppion that you stay away from the pet safe instant fence sytem.

Or ANY aversive force or bribery. We have asked for a refund and was told to just throw the junk piece away insted of being forced into paying postage to return the faulty equipment.  Has any one else had similer experiance with the pet safe instant fence?

It’s nice they’ll guarantee their equipment. Shock collars have set dogs on fire and malfunctioned randomly shocking them or constantly burning the dog till the batteries wore HOWET.  thanks.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars. Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back in the yard and would run for days. The last time, Peach didn’t come back home. I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around the yard. I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence and its collars.  If you can’t get a regular fence then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. The price was too high:-( ~misty

HOWEDY dave,

Hi, all! Can anybody give me some idea as to what an invisible fence goes for

how effective are these electronic fences in keeping a dog on a property???? Some run through it. Others get shocked and become too scared to go out in the yard anymore. Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog, because the dog got caught right in the path of the shock and will now not go near his person, won’t go outside. Just hides under a desk in the house.

"I’d call the SHOCK fence effective and safe. Humane is one of those hot words that people can debate all day so I won’t touch that one. There are people who would call a regular chain link fence inhumane," liea altshuller. "I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the whole cruelty thread again so I’ll state my opinion once and won’t defend it further: any method can be cruel for some dogs. Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the beginning, but we’ve come a long way since then. She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she’s been rewarded for coming, but she’s never been punished, even in the mildest way, for not coming. Is it time for that? What might I look for to tell?"

After talking with the vet yesterday and watching Cubbe all day today, I’m convinced that the shaking is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I’ll continue keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything up, I don’t see symptoms of anything neurological– and the vet agrees. –Lia

"Things are beginning to get much worse day by day and the vets seem unable to help. http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV" THAT’S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and ASYLUM ESCAPEES. Shocking dogs goes for dog abusing mental cases who ain’t got the intellect to HOWEtwit the cunnin of the domestic puppy dog even after The Amazing Puppy Wizard and HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students all over the Whole Wild World told you HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE, to boot.  BWEEEEEEEEEEEHAHAHHAHAAA!!! and how it is priced?

Misty SEZ the price was too high:         We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.         Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no         collars.         Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want         to come back in the yard and would run for days.         The last time, Peach didn’t come back home.         I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how         to train my dog.         She is now border trained. A few minutes each day         reinforces her desire to stay in the yard. She no         longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from         chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk         around the yard.         I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate         the e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a         regular fence then you need to train your dog.         I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my         dog in our yard again. The price was too high:-(         ~misty  (Square footage of the yard, perimeter?)

You could train your dog to ANY perimeter or border in a couple minutes withHOWET HURTING and INTIMIDATING IT if you knew HOWE:         I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know         she’s not here with us. I really can’t blame anyone         here for her loss.         I’m the one who ignored your advice. I did it because         of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the         idea that my using a shock collar could have any         bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home.         Up until I started using it my main concern had been         keeping my dogs in their own yard.         Once I started using the e-fence… well, then my         concern became how to keep them from running off for         days on end.         I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in         the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.         I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world         now <g A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely         housetrained, doesn’t chew up stuff, stays in the         yard, and doesn’t bark all the time.         IOW a great companion and friend.         Thanks Jerry! Here’s a couple MOORE in case you think Misty is a FLUKE or sumpthin… EVERY CASE HISTORY CITED CAN BE VERIFIED: Hi folks, In my opinion the use of a radioshock fence is a waste of time, effort or money. I can understand it if you a rich snob who cares nothing about their dogs safey or behaviours. At work I boundary train all the dogs to the bricked area (Four kennels with 26 cages with 1 dog in each, 1 services building and 2 catterys which is surrounded by scrubland to the east and woodlands to the north and a lake to the west).

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not that what you say has any value, Well johnny, THAT’S what ALL the DOG ABUSERS got to say. No.  that’s what all the real people have to say, AssHowe.  but perhaps people might actually look for value in what you say DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS, johnny. You post here, AssHowe.  More than anyone.  Are you trying to tell us something about yourself?  if you would learn how to spell and use capital letters correctly. You’re a DOG ABUSER by POSTING here abHOWETS, johnny. EITHER THAT, or you’re TOO STUPID TO LIVE. Yeah, whatever, AssHowe.  EVERYONE is a dog abuser to you, so what’s your point? You will probably end up the record in fastest person into a killfile for me after joining a newsgroup. DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS, johnny. We KNOW THAT, AssHowe!  YOU post here! THIS IS The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Forums and SCHOOL OF HARD KNOCKS and HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORY. Ths isn’t you forum, AssHowe.  Hardly anyone reads your bullshit anyways. YOU ARE A RESEARCH SUBJET FOR MENTAL ILLNESS STUDIES for DECADES to come, johnny. No he’s not, AssHowe.  You simply lie again. WELCOME! John Strong Kirtland Air Force Base   Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.   He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and   watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth!   Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs   come forward and actually believe in his training manual. Robert Crim writes: Oh fucking great here we go with the "Robert Crim writes" bullshit again.  WHO CARES?!?

Ask his DEAD DOG Fritz.

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One more thing,  Do you know how I can make a boot cde, so I can get my windows folder and my program folder off the computer as well? Thanks again, Jamie — The charter is available at:

OT exercise thread – join in!

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Hi, Sally, Good to see you in the exercise thread…  Your life seems to be changing rapidly these days.  Good for you! smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good for you Sally….Dakota is good for you Smile, Carl Uh… Can I join in?  I only have one other time, but I qualify to join you exercisers today. First of all. Whatever day that was I was in the hospital, I had a stress test.. under the influence of way too much Dilaudid. That was.. interesting, LOL. At least it was a walking and not a running one. They had to wake me up to take the thing. And today.. my puppy walked me around the condo complex.  It’s a huge complex.  It’s a big puppy. And there are lots of rabbits around here for some unknown reason.  So I got walked good today.  Anybody that needs some excercise needs to come over and walk Dakota.  She’ll give you a work out you won’t soon forget. Sally Carl, she walked me in the rain today. I walked about a mile, I need a pedometer, because I have no way of knowing exactly how far we go, but I know my legs hurt.  Only one rabbit today, but it appeared when we were coming back from the mailbox, and I had a box in my arms, trying to control Dakota. Note to self: do not take Dakota with you to the mail box. (it’s about a block away from my condo). Sally Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I rode my stationary bike 6 miles at a moderate pace. Carl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, Chip!  Now I can be your cheerleader…<g smiles, Elise Monday jogged 2.0 miles. Tuesday jogged 2.0 miles. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Tono, Exercising, fresh air and making $$$ – you’re onto something there… smiles, Elise

Whew!  I’m no spring chicken and this work has made sure I know it! Worked Tues. and today (Thursday).  Today was a last minute deal because he and his right hand man were having a communication breakdown this morning.  I’m in tight now because I actually answered the phone at 7:30AM and went to work unscheduled.  What has happened to me?  Getting out of bed before 10 to 12?  That’s unheard of!!!!!! Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Monday jogged 2.0 miles. Chip Tuesday carried concrete block for hours also some buckets of mud (mortar).  Damn, tomorrow would have been an easy day but I see my new shrink.  I have all the block ready to go down a shoot, nice and easy for some other guy. I figure getting paid to do manual labor is much more cost effective than paying to work out at a gym!  I’m hoping to loose at least 20 pounds.  I think 2 days a week will be all my body can take, if that much. Tony

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good for you Sally….Dakota is good for you Smile, Carl Uh… Can I join in?  I only have one other time, but I qualify to join you exercisers today. First of all. Whatever day that was I was in the hospital, I had a stress test.. under the influence of way too much Dilaudid. That was.. interesting, LOL. At least it was a walking and not a running one. They had to wake me up to take the thing. And today.. my puppy walked me around the condo complex.  It’s a huge complex.  It’s a big puppy. And there are lots of rabbits around here for some unknown reason.  So I got walked good today.  Anybody that needs some excercise needs to come over and walk Dakota.  She’ll give you a work out you won’t soon forget. Sally

Carl, she walked me in the rain today. I walked about a mile, I need a pedometer, because I have no way of knowing exactly how far we go, but I know my legs hurt.  Only one rabbit today, but it appeared when we were coming back from the mailbox, and I had a box in my arms, trying to control Dakota. Note to self: do not take Dakota with you to the mail box. (it’s about a block away from my condo). Sally Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Way to go, Carl!!! smiles, Elise

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Monday jogged 2.0 miles. Chip Tuesday carried concrete block for hours also some buckets of mud (mortar).  Damn, tomorrow would have been an easy day but I see my new shrink.  I have all the block ready to go down a shoot, nice and easy for some other guy. Tony, sounds like good exercise. I figure getting paid to do manual labor is much more cost effective than paying to work out at a gym!  I’m hoping to loose at least 20 pounds.  I think 2 days a week will be all my body can take, if that much. Good luck!

Thanks, I need it.  Even though it’s only 2 or 3 days a week, I don’t know how long I can handle it physically.  I’ll try not to quit before getting into better physical condition, but with the fibro, it may not be possible. Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Good for you Sally….Dakota is good for you Smile, Carl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Uh… Can I join in?  I only have one other time, but I qualify to join you exercisers today. First of all. Whatever day that was I was in the hospital, I had a stress test.. under the influence of way too much Dilaudid. That was.. interesting, LOL. At least it was a walking and not a running one. They had to wake me up to take the thing. And today.. my puppy walked me around the condo complex.  It’s a huge complex.  It’s a big puppy. And there are lots of rabbits around here for some unknown reason.  So I got walked good today.  Anybody that needs some excercise needs to come over and walk Dakota.  She’ll give you a work out you won’t soon forget. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Uh… Can I join in?  I only have one other time, but I qualify to join you exercisers today. First of all. Whatever day that was I was in the hospital, I had a stress test.. under the influence of way too much Dilaudid. That was.. interesting, LOL. At least it was a walking and not a running one. They had to wake me up to take the thing. And today.. my puppy walked me around the condo complex.  It’s a huge complex.  It’s a big puppy. And there are lots of rabbits around here for some unknown reason.  So I got walked good today.  Anybody that needs some excercise needs to come over and walk Dakota.  She’ll give you a work out you won’t soon forget. Walking the dog is good exercise, Sally. I’d love to walk Dakota, but I’m in California Are the rabbits Jack rabbits? With the big ears? Chip

Hey Chip, Dakota will walk ME to California if a rabbit happens to be headed that way. You can meet us both. No Jack Rabbits in Ohio..I think those are only out west. We have the Easter Bunny/ Peter Cottontail kind of rabbits here.. Cute ones. They’re brave little things too.  They don’t even run away or anything. I guess they are used to living around people. There are tons of rabbits around here. I think Dakota chased every one of them today. I went along for the ride. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I rode my stationary bike 6 miles at a moderate pace.

Pretty good, Carl! Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Yeah, Chip!  Now I can be your cheerleader…<g

Thanks, Rita. You’re the first one I’ve ever had Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Uh… Can I join in?  I only have one other time, but I qualify to join you exercisers today. First of all. Whatever day that was I was in the hospital, I had a stress test.. under the influence of way too much Dilaudid. That was.. interesting, LOL. At least it was a walking and not a running one. They had to wake me up to take the thing. And today.. my puppy walked me around the condo complex.  It’s a huge complex.  It’s a big puppy. And there are lots of rabbits around here for some unknown reason.  So I got walked good today.  Anybody that needs some excercise needs to come over and walk Dakota.  She’ll give you a work out you won’t soon forget.

Walking the dog is good exercise, Sally. I’d love to walk Dakota, but I’m in California Are the rabbits Jack rabbits? With the big ears? Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Uh… Can I join in?  I only have one other time, but I qualify to join you exercisers today. First of all. Whatever day that was I was in the hospital, I had a stress test.. under the influence of way too much Dilaudid. That was.. interesting, LOL. At least it was a walking and not a running one. They had to wake me up to take the thing. And today.. my puppy walked me around the condo complex.  It’s a huge complex.  It’s a big puppy. And there are lots of rabbits around here for some unknown reason.  So I got walked good today.  Anybody that needs some excercise needs to come over and walk Dakota.  She’ll give you a work out you won’t soon forget. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Good job, Chip.  I am still not exercising due to my foot injury. smiles, Elise

Monday jogged 2.0 miles. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Chip roughly how long does it take to jog 2.0 miles? When you first start jogging what’s a good distance and/or time to aim for? Would walking be a better idea at first? — Doug

Monday jogged 2.0 miles. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Good job, Chip.  I am still not exercising due to my foot injury.

Rita, does it hurt to walk on? Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Chip roughly how long does it take to jog 2.0 miles?

Doug, I go very slow, and it takes about 25 minutes. When you first start jogging what’s a good distance and/or time to aim

for? I aim for distance, never time. I think when I started 3 years ago I jogged, like 2 or 3 laps (1 lap = 0.25 mile), and then walked 2 laps or so. And over a period of several weeks ended up jogging only. Then I increased laps (mileage) slowly over the next year or so. I didn’t compete with anyone, only tried to slowly increase mileage. Would walking be a better idea at first?

It depends how out of shape you are. But some people who are starting to jog, jog as far as they can, then walk awhile, and then jog again, etc, etc. Whatever works for you, without overdoing it. I find jogging gets in a good exercise in less time than walking. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I find jogging gets in a good exercise in less time than walking. Chip

Monday is off day, on the plan I’m using …  Tuesday is 30min steady and then Wednesday is 10min, 1 min upbeat, 20 min, 1 min upbeat, 10 min pacing. Narieka  (back from a weekend trip to the Windy City) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Chip, Yes, it does hurt to walk on it.  I am having it re-x-rayed tomorrow since I missed my GP’s call today. smiles, Elise

Good job, Chip.  I am still not exercising due to my foot injury. Rita, does it hurt to walk on? Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Monday jogged 2.0 miles. Chip

Tuesday carried concrete block for hours also some buckets of mud (mortar).  Damn, tomorrow would have been an easy day but I see my new shrink.  I have all the block ready to go down a shoot, nice and easy for some other guy. I figure getting paid to do manual labor is much more cost effective than paying to work out at a gym!  I’m hoping to loose at least 20 pounds.  I think 2 days a week will be all my body can take, if that much. Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Tono, Exercising, fresh air and making $$$ – you’re onto something there… smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Monday jogged 2.0 miles. Chip Tuesday carried concrete block for hours also some buckets of mud (mortar).  Damn, tomorrow would have been an easy day but I see my new shrink.  I have all the block ready to go down a shoot, nice and easy for some other guy. I figure getting paid to do manual labor is much more cost effective than paying to work out at a gym!  I’m hoping to loose at least 20 pounds.  I think 2 days a week will be all my body can take, if that much. Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Monday is off day, on the plan I’m using …  Tuesday is 30min steady and then Wednesday is 10min, 1 min upbeat, 20 min, 1 min upbeat, 10 min pacing. Narieka  (back from a weekend trip to the Windy City)

Keep up the good work, Narieka! Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Monday jogged 2.0 miles. Chip Tuesday carried concrete block for hours also some buckets of mud (mortar).  Damn, tomorrow would have been an easy day but I see my new shrink.  I have all the block ready to go down a shoot, nice and easy for some other guy.

Tony, sounds like good exercise. I figure getting paid to do manual labor is much more cost effective than paying to work out at a gym!  I’m hoping to loose at least 20 pounds.  I think 2 days a week will be all my body can take, if that much.

Good luck! Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Monday jogged 2.0 miles.

Tuesday jogged 2.0 miles. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Yeah, Chip!  Now I can be your cheerleader…<g smiles, Elise

Monday jogged 2.0 miles. Tuesday jogged 2.0 miles. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Monday jogged 2.0 miles. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Tuesday jogged 3.0 miles. Thursday jogged 3.0 miles Saturday jogged 3.5 miles. Monday jogged 3.5 miles.

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Instant Fence by Pet Safe

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I just got done talking to yet another Pet Safe Rep, Last March we purchased the Instant Fence Containment System and an extra receiver for our second dog.  It did not take long for one of the recievers to malfunction. Unfortunatly we were not aware that you needed to physicaly check the recievers almost every day because they just quit working so often.  I am not talking about an issue of new batteries, I am talking about product malfunction.  We lost Molly due to that malfunction What happened to her?

He didn’t believe The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) : ~  (   and got his JUST DESSERTS and NHOWE he’s WHINING abHOWET his DEAD DOG. Margaret

And YOU can heelp someWON else DO IT AGAIN by understanding HOWE to pupperly HURT and INIMIDATE dogs so they WON’T DISRESPECT their shock fences! Like HOWE you done for Misty and Robert: GOOD LUCK, dog lovers! The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ )  

I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I started using the e-fence… well, then my concern became how to keep them from running off for days on end. I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great companion and friend. Thanks Jerry!

We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars. Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back in the yard and would run for days. The last time, Peach didn’t come back home. I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around the yard. I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. The price was too high:-( ~misty Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs come forward and actually believe in his training manual. Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp. To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake names are more honest than people that use their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and lived by their craft for decades. "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. admit to buying and having success with his little black box.

I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to him! LOL!

I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad. Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box first?) Hello People, Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till Jerry came along and smartened him up. He learned the hard way, and no longer posts to his former pals, because it is just too painful knowing his pals would rather HURT and KILL their dogs than to admit that JERRY is RIGHT.

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HOWEDY communityguy,

I just got done talking to yet another Pet Safe Rep,

A safe shock device company. That’s a oxymoron, ain’t it. Last March we purchased the Instant Fence Containment System

Ahhh, a dog lover, eh? Dogs are TERRORTORIAL by NATURE. You can TRAIN a dog to stay on his pupperty withHOWET hurting him NEARLY INSTANTLY if you know HOWE. HOWER DOG LOVERS PREFER TO HURT INTIMIDATE BRIBE and CRATE dogs and try to get HOWET callin THAT, trainin. and an extra receiver for our second dog.

He’ll LOVE that.  It did not take long for one of the recievers to malfunction.

Ooops! If your SHOCK system TRAINED dogs not to ESCAPE their TERRORTORY the dog wouldn’t NEED the collar after IT was TRAINED. Unfortunatly we were not aware that you needed to physicaly check the recievers almost every day

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!! Could make you PARANOID. Perhaps THAT’S HOWE COME they got TEST LITES? because they just quit working so often.

Ooops! I am not talking about an issue of new batteries, I am talking about product malfunction.

You can’t EXXXPECT sumpthin that’s gonna HURT a dog to function pupperly on accHOWENT of HURTING dogs does not train them or you wouldn’t NEED a collar.  We lost Molly due to that malfunction,

Ooops!  had just gotten her fixed about 5 days before, it was devistating to my daughter.  Since then we have returned 4 times malfunctiong collars.

Too bad you hadn’t read The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual pryor to HURTING your dogs:

I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I started using the e-fence… well, then my concern became how to keep them from running off for days on end. I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great companion and friend. Thanks Jerry!  If you want to keep your pet safe and healthy it is my oppion that you stay away from the pet safe instant fence sytem.

Or ANY aversive force or bribery. We have asked for a refund and was told to just throw the junk piece away insted of being forced into paying postage to return the faulty equipment.  Has any one else had similer experiance with the pet safe instant fence?

It’s nice they’ll guarantee their equipment. Shock collars have set dogs on fire and malfunctioned randomly shocking them or constantly burning the dog till the batteries wore HOWET.  thanks.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars. Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back in the yard and would run for days. The last time, Peach didn’t come back home. I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around the yard. I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence and its collars.  If you can’t get a regular fence then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. The price was too high:-( ~misty

HOWEDY dave,

Hi, all! Can anybody give me some idea as to what an invisible fence goes for

how effective are these electronic fences in keeping a dog on a property???? Some run through it. Others get shocked and become too scared to go out in the yard anymore. Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog, because the dog got caught right in the path of the shock and will now not go near his person, won’t go outside. Just hides under a desk in the house.

"I’d call the SHOCK fence effective and safe. Humane is one of those hot words that people can debate all day so I won’t touch that one. There are people who would call a regular chain link fence inhumane," liea altshuller. "I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the whole cruelty thread again so I’ll state my opinion once and won’t defend it further: any method can be cruel for some dogs. Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the beginning, but we’ve come a long way since then. She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she’s been rewarded for coming, but she’s never been punished, even in the mildest way, for not coming. Is it time for that? What might I look for to tell?"

After talking with the vet yesterday and watching Cubbe all day today, I’m convinced that the shaking is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I’ll continue keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything up, I don’t see symptoms of anything neurological– and the vet agrees. –Lia

"Things are beginning to get much worse day by day and the vets seem unable to help. http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV" THAT’S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and ASYLUM ESCAPEES. Shocking dogs goes for dog abusing mental cases who ain’t got the intellect to HOWEtwit the cunnin of the domestic puppy dog even after The Amazing Puppy Wizard and HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students all over the Whole Wild World told you HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE, to boot.  BWEEEEEEEEEEEHAHAHHAHAAA!!! and how it is priced?

Misty SEZ the price was too high:         We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.         Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no         collars.         Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want         to come back in the yard and would run for days.         The last time, Peach didn’t come back home.         I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how         to train my dog.         She is now border trained. A few minutes each day         reinforces her desire to stay in the yard. She no         longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from         chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk         around the yard.         I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate         the e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a         regular fence then you need to train your dog.         I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my         dog in our yard again. The price was too high:-(         ~misty  (Square footage of the yard, perimeter?)

You could train your dog to ANY perimeter or border in a couple minutes withHOWET HURTING and INTIMIDATING IT if you knew HOWE:         I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know         she’s not here with us. I really can’t blame anyone         here for her loss.         I’m the one who ignored your advice. I did it because         of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the         idea that my using a shock collar could have any         bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home.         Up until I started using it my main concern had been         keeping my dogs in their own yard.         Once I started using the e-fence… well, then my         concern became how to keep them from running off for         days on end.         I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in         the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.         I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world         now <g A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely         housetrained, doesn’t chew up stuff, stays in the         yard, and doesn’t bark all the time.         IOW a great companion and friend.         Thanks Jerry! Here’s a couple MOORE in case you think Misty is a FLUKE or sumpthin… EVERY CASE HISTORY CITED CAN BE VERIFIED: Hi folks, In my opinion the use of a radioshock fence is a waste of time, effort or money. I can understand it if you a rich snob who cares nothing about their dogs safey or behaviours. At work I boundary train all the dogs to the bricked area (Four kennels with 26 cages with 1 dog in each, 1 services building and 2 catterys which is surrounded by scrubland to the east and woodlands to the north and a lake to the west).

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Fear Plan….

Question:

HI; When getting angry with people, and frustrated, I am thinking that possibly I have a lot of hidden fear, that I am really afarid of what "might" happen. What that person "might" be able to do to me. So I spend a lot of time on what if’s for situations that only happen once in a while.  And it make the situation worse and my anger worse. For example, Lets just say I go to return something, and they ask for my drivers liceance, well I am going in my head: "What if they improperly use the information" "What if they are tracking my information, and they use this against me in the future some how" "What if they stop me from doiing future returns" "What if the person reconizes my name, and they dislike me for some reason, and they start yelling at me" and so on. So what if I make a simple plan for how I deal with ANYONE!! 1. Approach the situation with confidance, assuming there is going to be no problem. 2. If there is a problem, only deal with it untill I feel emotionally invloved.* 3. If I am emotionally invloved, walk away or hang up the phone immediatly. 4. Decide if this business, or is this personal; 5. If it is a personal issue, then I need to write down exactly what is bothering me, and decide how to handle the situation with either:         A. Meditation         B. My Thearpist (s) or Health Care Professionals         C. Online Support Groups         D. Real Life Support Groups         E. My Life Coach Then I need to re-enter the situation in an non-emotional way, and start over.  If I reach step 3 again, I repete the cycle. 6. If it is a professional issues, or invloves any type of business, monitary, job, legal, store, restraunt, etc – conflict then I will write down exactly what the problem is and I will then:         A. Call my Lawyer and Present the issue, and trust my lawyers advice, and proceede per there recomendations.         B. Go though the steps above (in 5) if I feel I need further guidance as to how to reslove the issue. How does this sound for a plan? *I feel that I should keep working to push this threshold further and further out, so that I do not allow as many things to affect me emotionally. — -Jamie — The charter is available at:

More testing…

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In article <Q_vCd.4394$Vj3….@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>,  "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote: > typical IBS is in the large colon only right?

IBS is generally more generalized and affects the brain as well. > and I had a scope > So if I have any inflimation it would be in the small intestine, and should > show up there on the ct right?

Inflammation can occur anywhere in the digestive tract. That, however, is not related to IBS.

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In article <WoCCd.32292$Ff3.19521@trndny04>,  "al evans" <eva…@verizon.net> wrote: > that is generally known. IBS is an exclusionary diagnosis, if it isn’t this > or that, then it must be IBS.

Actually, that’s not totally accurate. IBS has very specific symptoms defined by Rome criteria. If you don’t meet Rome, then you do NOT have IBS. The idea behind Rome is that there is some definable medical condition behind what we call IBS.

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Gluten test or something like that? They drew blood for this test today when I told them about the decress in symptoms with the steroids. — -Jamie "flux" <supp…@fluxsoft.com> wrote in message

news:support-E2EFFC.23312805012005@news.verizon.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <Q_vCd.4394$Vj3….@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>, > "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote: >> typical IBS is in the large colon only right? > IBS is generally more generalized and affects the brain as well. >> and I had a scope >> So if I have any inflimation it would be in the small intestine, and >> should >> show up there on the ct right? > Inflammation can occur anywhere in the digestive tract. That, however, > is not related to IBS.

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I have all the classic IBS symptoms…. I had a colonscopy. with biopsy, and it all came back clean. I want to get further tests done to figure out what is really going on. What other tests are availabe that I should consider having? I would rather have more than less, and the HMO docs, would rather call it ibs and get it over with.. — -Jamie

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do yo u have the D or the C For D i had a wierd test involving taking a load of blood, spinning it in a centrifuge to take out the red blood cells leaving just the white they some added radioactive substance then it was re injected into my body. i was placed in a scanner that worked its way round my body. This was to show where the white blood cells travelled to in my bowel, i guess they were looking for inflamation, but i had managed to calm it all down by then with ALOE VERA JUICE which I must say worked wonders. Sarah "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote in message news:1JIAd.7620$_X7.3161@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I have all the classic IBS symptoms…. > I had a colonscopy. with biopsy, and it all came back clean. > I want to get further tests done to figure out what is really going on. > What other tests are availabe that I should consider having? > I would rather have more than less, and the HMO docs, would rather call it > ibs and get it over with.. > — > -Jamie

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D — -Jamie "sarah n mol" <s…@molloymol.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:cr3s5q$v7f$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> do yo u have the D or the C > For D i had a wierd test involving taking a load of blood, spinning it in > a centrifuge to take out the red blood cells leaving just the white they > some added radioactive substance then it was re injected into my body. i > was placed in a scanner that worked its way round my body. > This was to show where the white blood cells travelled to in my bowel, i > guess they were looking for inflamation, but i had managed to calm it all > down by then with ALOE VERA JUICE which I must say worked wonders. > Sarah > "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote in message > news:1JIAd.7620$_X7.3161@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com… >>I have all the classic IBS symptoms…. >> I had a colonscopy. with biopsy, and it all came back clean. >> I want to get further tests done to figure out what is really going on. >> What other tests are availabe that I should consider having? >> I would rather have more than less, and the HMO docs, would rather call >> it ibs and get it over with.. >> — >> -Jamie

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"jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" wrote: > I have all the classic IBS symptoms…. > I had a colonscopy. with biopsy, and it all came back clean. > I want to get further tests done to figure out what is really going on. > What other tests are availabe that I should consider having?

These are SOME of the tests I’ve had:    * Ova and parasites.  Done several times.    * Endoscopy (through the mouth into the stomach).  This included      testing for celiac disease (biopsy).    * Colonoscopy.    * Imaging studies of intestine (with barium.  Apparently to help      discover abnormalities such as strictures).    * Blood work.    * Fecal fat test. They have given me some tests that I’m not sure what they were for.  One of these included consuming something while at the clinic, and then later they collected a urine specimen or maybe it was blood (I just don’t remember). My gallbladder was removed years before they started doing the serious IBS testing. They can and have run tests kind of regularly for other diseases/disorders that can have diarrhea as a symptom (diarrhea is my main IBS complaint) such as for diabetes, gallbladder disease, etc. Barb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I would rather have more than less, and the HMO docs, would rather call it > ibs and get it over with.. > — > -Jamie

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Try breath hydrogen tests testing for lactose, fructose & glucose intolerance. "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote in message news:1JIAd.7620$_X7.3161@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I have all the classic IBS symptoms…. > I had a colonscopy. with biopsy, and it all came back clean. > I want to get further tests done to figure out what is really going on. > What other tests are availabe that I should consider having? > I would rather have more than less, and the HMO docs, would rather call it > ibs and get it over with.. > — > -Jamie

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ok i will have thoes done. any others?? Is a cat any good for upper GI disorders? Jamie — -Jamie "Holmes" <whate…@notreal.com> wrote in message

news:_mMBd.99555$K7.68078@news-server.bigpond.net.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Try breath hydrogen tests testing for lactose, fructose & glucose > intolerance. > "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote in message > news:1JIAd.7620$_X7.3161@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com… >>I have all the classic IBS symptoms…. >> I had a colonscopy. with biopsy, and it all came back clean. >> I want to get further tests done to figure out what is really going on. >> What other tests are availabe that I should consider having? >> I would rather have more than less, and the HMO docs, would rather call >> it ibs and get it over with.. >> — >> -Jamie

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Hi Jamie I had cat scan done when my gall bladder was playing up because on an ultrasound they thought they saw Pancreatitis. turned out it was all fine but they never mentioned anything else. I think inflamation shows up but with typical IBS there is no inflamation so is unlikely to be seen Sarah "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote in message news:4OOBd.933$Vj3.56@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ok i will have thoes done. > any others?? > Is a cat any good for upper GI disorders? > Jamie > — > -Jamie > "Holmes" <whate…@notreal.com> wrote in message > news:_mMBd.99555$K7.68078@news-server.bigpond.net.au… >> Try breath hydrogen tests testing for lactose, fructose & glucose >> intolerance. >> "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote in message >> news:1JIAd.7620$_X7.3161@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com… >>>I have all the classic IBS symptoms…. >>> I had a colonscopy. with biopsy, and it all came back clean. >>> I want to get further tests done to figure out what is really going on. >>> What other tests are availabe that I should consider having? >>> I would rather have more than less, and the HMO docs, would rather call >>> it ibs and get it over with.. >>> — >>> -Jamie

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If ya cook him well done the’re OK "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote in message news:4OOBd.933$Vj3.56@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ok i will have thoes done. > any others?? > Is a cat any good for upper GI disorders? > Jamie > — > -Jamie > "Holmes" <whate…@notreal.com> wrote in message > news:_mMBd.99555$K7.68078@news-server.bigpond.net.au… > > Try breath hydrogen tests testing for lactose, fructose & glucose > > intolerance. > > "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote in message > > news:1JIAd.7620$_X7.3161@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com… > >>I have all the classic IBS symptoms…. > >> I had a colonscopy. with biopsy, and it all came back clean. > >> I want to get further tests done to figure out what is really going on. > >> What other tests are availabe that I should consider having? > >> I would rather have more than less, and the HMO docs, would rather call > >> it ibs and get it over with.. > >> — > >> -Jamie

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typical IBS is in the large colon only right? and I had a scope So if I have any inflimation it would be in the small intestine, and should show up there on the ct right? — -Jamie "sarah n mol" <s…@molloymol.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:cr93pp$s8u$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Jamie > I had cat scan done when my gall bladder was playing up because on an > ultrasound they thought they saw Pancreatitis. turned out it was all fine > but they never mentioned anything else. I think inflamation shows up but > with typical IBS there is no inflamation so is unlikely to be seen > Sarah > "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote in message > news:4OOBd.933$Vj3.56@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com… >> ok i will have thoes done. >> any others?? >> Is a cat any good for upper GI disorders? >> Jamie >> — >> -Jamie >> "Holmes" <whate…@notreal.com> wrote in message >> news:_mMBd.99555$K7.68078@news-server.bigpond.net.au… >>> Try breath hydrogen tests testing for lactose, fructose & glucose >>> intolerance. >>> "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote in message >>> news:1JIAd.7620$_X7.3161@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com… >>>>I have all the classic IBS symptoms…. >>>> I had a colonscopy. with biopsy, and it all came back clean. >>>> I want to get further tests done to figure out what is really going on. >>>> What other tests are availabe that I should consider having? >>>> I would rather have more than less, and the HMO docs, would rather call >>>> it ibs and get it over with.. >>>> — >>>> -Jamie

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Well, I think you are making one error, that IBS "shows up" anywhere. It is not a structural/surgical disease like diverticulosis. IBD shows up as inflamation, but, there is no clear cause and effect relationship in IBS that is generally known. IBS is an exclusionary diagnosis, if it isn’t this or that, then it must be IBS. Some feel IBS is caused by parasites, others say it is caused by the mind, and others say it is caused by allergins, such as celiac. Unfortunately they are all right, and they are all wrong as well. There is no agreement in diagnosis, testing or treatment because IBS can have all of the aforementioned causes or not, and different treatments work better or worse on different people. My doctor said it best when he said, IBS is also the initials for "I’ve Been Stumped". al "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote in message news:Q_vCd.4394$Vj3.435@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> typical IBS is in the large colon only right? > and I had a scope > So if I have any inflimation it would be in the small intestine, and should > show up there on the ct right? > — > -Jamie > "sarah n mol" <s…@molloymol.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message > news:cr93pp$s8u$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk… > > Hi Jamie > > I had cat scan done when my gall bladder was playing up because on an > > ultrasound they thought they saw Pancreatitis. turned out it was all fine > > but they never mentioned anything else. I think inflamation shows up but > > with typical IBS there is no inflamation so is unlikely to be seen > > Sarah > > "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote in message > > news:4OOBd.933$Vj3.56@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com… > >> ok i will have thoes done. > >> any others?? > >> Is a cat any good for upper GI disorders? > >> Jamie > >> — > >> -Jamie > >> "Holmes" <whate…@notreal.com> wrote in message > >> news:_mMBd.99555$K7.68078@news-server.bigpond.net.au… > >>> Try breath hydrogen tests testing for lactose, fructose & glucose > >>> intolerance. > >>> "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote in message > >>> news:1JIAd.7620$_X7.3161@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com… > >>>>I have all the classic IBS symptoms…. > >>>> I had a colonscopy. with biopsy, and it all came back clean. > >>>> I want to get further tests done to figure out what is really going on. > >>>> What other tests are availabe that I should consider having? > >>>> I would rather have more than less, and the HMO docs, would rather call > >>>> it ibs and get it over with.. > >>>> — > >>>> -Jamie

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"al evans" <eva…@verizon.net> wrote in message > My doctor said it best

when he said, IBS is also the initials for "I’ve Been > Stumped". > al

I call it grumpy guts syndrome I had some respite for a few years when i had post natal depression, and had anti depressants. and at the mo things are pretty settled All the supplements and dietary changes are working. not sure what is doing what but am scared to stop any of em. Porridge every morning Calcium supps with vit D (every other day) Vit B complex evening primrose oil with omega 3 and cod liver oil (all in one) Milk thistle complex Echinacea I started taking most of these for other ailments except porridge and calcium. Sarah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote in message > news:Q_vCd.4394$Vj3.435@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com… >> typical IBS is in the large colon only right? >> and I had a scope >> So if I have any inflimation it would be in the small intestine, and > should >> show up there on the ct right? >> — >> -Jamie >> "sarah n mol" <s…@molloymol.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:cr93pp$s8u$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk… >> > Hi Jamie >> > I had cat scan done when my gall bladder was playing up because on an >> > ultrasound they thought they saw Pancreatitis. turned out it was all > fine >> > but they never mentioned anything else. I think inflamation shows up >> > but >> > with typical IBS there is no inflamation so is unlikely to be seen >> > Sarah >> > "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote in message >> > news:4OOBd.933$Vj3.56@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com… >> >> ok i will have thoes done. >> >> any others?? >> >> Is a cat any good for upper GI disorders? >> >> Jamie >> >> — >> >> -Jamie >> >> "Holmes" <whate…@notreal.com> wrote in message >> >> news:_mMBd.99555$K7.68078@news-server.bigpond.net.au… >> >>> Try breath hydrogen tests testing for lactose, fructose & glucose >> >>> intolerance. >> >>> "jamie dolan (AKA OCD Boy)" <ja…@ashwoodinc.com> wrote in message >> >>> news:1JIAd.7620$_X7.3161@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com… >> >>>>I have all the classic IBS symptoms…. >> >>>> I had a colonscopy. with biopsy, and it all came back clean. >> >>>> I want to get further tests done to figure out what is really going > on. >> >>>> What other tests are availabe that I should consider having? >> >>>> I would rather have more than less, and the HMO docs, would rather > call >> >>>> it ibs and get it over with.. >> >>>> — >> >>>> -Jamie

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Dg barking when left alone or put in cage

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 Here’s MOORE: ALL behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. PART II 1. Obedience We’ll be approaching our obedience training program as a piecemeal quilt puzzle; that is to say, that any one point has got to fit within the entire context, and as you develop skills, you may "mix and match" commands to suit your needs or situation at that moment. But we do have a procedure that is very much like the kind of steps you would follow as though you were starting your car or computer system. These steps are like your keys to your car or password to your files. It’s unlikely that your dog, when trained, will listen to anyone that does not approach the "control panel" to his mind, without the "keys" imbedded in this series of commands. He’ll understand that anyone asking business of him is not approved, without "them keys." Practice on a daily basis should not exceed four minutes to accomplish the exercises. Practice needs to be performed at least every second day. With problem dogs, this is critical. If you are using this training to suffice your dog’s emotional needs, whether it be anxiety from separation, aggression, or stress from any source, the benefits of this exercise will wear off in three days, at least until some time down the road. Also, dogs do tend to forget a lesson if it has not been re-enforced for several days. After the initial training period, practice may be limited to once a week. When your dog becomes fully trained and his behavior is not an issue or goal for improvement, a brief exercise should be formally done once a week, later once a month. We are going to give your pet 100% of your undivided positive attention, in an intense, four- minute exercise, which will have the benefit of exercising the dominant and submissive nature of your dog’s personality. These "natures of your dog’s personality" are easily accessed through the positions and postures in relationship to yourself, as you and your dog perform your obedience routines. Each position will elicit particular sorts of body language from your dog (and vice versa, so act natural). If you pay close attention you can determine how well or not your dog is relating to you. Each exercise or command in the following text will articulate what must be paid close attention, and how to make this knowledge work for you and your dog. We have special routines to break stress and tension, as well as methods to express dominance and elicit and enforce strict, exacting discipline. You will develop a feel for these as you progress through this system. The Method GUARANTEES total non physical control, but you’ve got to give up forced control entirely or you’ll be challenging the dog and you’ll learn the hard way…"I told you so." Any time you are in doubt about what your next move should be, just relax, take your time to review in your mind the exercise you are performing, and then execute the correct move. Everything has a particular progression. Admittedly, this is a complicated system. HOWEver, there is no need to worry about mastering the technique and psychology involved right away. It will become very clear as you begin to   wo  rkonit. Just as we will expect your dog to learn something new with practice, you too will develop a sense for what we are doing, but only with practice. You’ll develop a feel for what we’re doing. The pieces fit together like a jigsaw puzzle, and, like a jigsaw puzzle, you start by dumping the whole thing out in front of you and then try to put it in some sort of order. Think of our method like that puzzle. Keep in mind also that things change here, according to what has been mastered. 2. Ask Your Dog To Work We’ll start with a preliminary command to set the tone for our lesson. Ask your dog if he would like to go to work. Do so in an upbeat manner, with a questioning tone, as you lean or step backward just a little bit, praising all the while. (For more details on this, see the "Hot and Cold" exercise, in Part I of the W.E.D.T.M. Manual.) We don’t care if he wants to "go to work" or not. He’s going to, but we would do much better if he were looking forward to enjoying it. This does not mean we’re going to play, because just as soon as you finish this phrase "Do you want to go to work? Good boy," you’re going to follow through with his next command to come to order. 2A. Back To Work "Back to work," is his next command, it’s rather like the command "attention" in the military. It functions as a tool we can utilize to command his attention under emergency conditions as well as for daily requests to come to order… "Back to work" is to be followed in the same breath, without pausing or hesitating, with the forthcoming commands, while at the same time giving the hand signals and foot signals. It’s going to seem much like rubbing your head and patting your stomach at the same time. There are several events that are going to take place one after the other, quickly in succession. Your hand signal and foot signal will coincide with the voice commands. It’s crucial that signals and voice commands all coincide, as your dog will be learning all of these at once. 2B. Stay The "stay" command is very complicated. There are two hand signals and a foot signal as well as, of course, your voice command. It changes depending on whether you are at the side or "heel" position, or at a distance in front of him, or whether you are leaving his side with him remaining behind, or if you are returning toward him. Don’t worry about anything other than the hand signal from the side at this point. Leaving your dog on the stay command is covered later. It’s simple, but get used to the basics first. Stay from the side is a sweeping motion with your left hand coming forward, high from above your elbow, fingers together, as if to touch the tip of your middle finger to the top of your dogs nose, being careful to keep your hand from breaking into your dogs vision directly over his head. We don’t need to be close, just in the line of peripheral vision at about 15 degrees his snout. Give it high and forward of your body. Follow through by bringing your hand back up and sweeping it around toward your chest, placing your left wrist at your dog’s right shoulder, as you place your palm on his breast bone, as you pat him once or twice, and continue into the "sit straight" (or "stand straight" or "down straight") command, described below. What I’m trying to show is the stay signal comes in high in front and is brief.The hand then recedes high in an arch towards the handler before coming into the dog’s chest parallel to his right shoulder. The idea being that we don’t want to lean over the dog to set his chest, neck, and head. It’s a defensive position as some dogs may snap, that’s why we’re calming them in the forthcoming moves. 2C. Sit From The Side Sit from the side involves just the hand and voice signals. The left palm comes up, until your elbow is bent ninety degrees. In due course, all you’ll need to do is cup your palm. But for now, let’s make it easy for your dog to notice. Sounds pretty easy, so let’s throw in some body language. Before your dog has completed any command in these series, the next command in that series will be issued. We will do this slowly, so that your dog can think out what you are asking yet moving into the next phase before the prior has been completed. Not too slowly, but not too fast. You’re going to be leading and directing his attention, rather than his body. His body will follow his attention and thoughts. When you are ready to begin the "return to heel command," get a visual fix on a landmark, so as to be sure to orient yourselves correctly after your dog has completed sitting. At the beginning, we’ll not worry too much about this orientation, or for that matter, any orientation, but it will quickly become extremely important to be precise. Your hand signal for "return to heel" is with your left index finger, pointing to the ground just behind your left side, as you look down and back, toward where your finger is pointing. Leaning your weight on your right foot, so as to facilitate the movement of your left foot signal, just about one half step backward, not too far so as to lose balance, but enough to get your dog inspired to move. This is an action command, and the motion you use will help start your dog’s movement. At the same time your left foot moves, your hand signal and eyes will be pointing and moving in sync with your foot, as your upper body twists, just kind of a quarter turn left twist of your upper body as your foot moves, and back to forward. "Back to work, heel, good boy, nice dog, sit, stay, good dog." That’s your voice command to get him to the return to heel position. When this series has finished, and while you are still saying "good dog," you’ll need to pat him, just once or twice on his chest, as you give him his next command to "sit straight," and adjust his front square at your side, by lifting his weight by his breast bone, and move his front just a little, as you help (actually cheat), by adjusting yourself at the same time to be square at the heel position. Next, run your hand from his breast bone up under his throat, to his chin, at which point you’ll repeat your stay signal, as you run your hand down one side of his body from the left shoulder down along his ribs. Then the right side, then, to one front foot, then the next. You’ll see later. 2D. Heel vs. Return to Heel The heel position means your dog’s shoulders must be parallel to your knees. Return to heel is the means by which he arrives there. Both commands are action words and require movement on your part to teach your dog what it means. The voice command for both tasks is the same. The movement of your left foot and the direction you point your index finger and direct your eyes do change, depending whether you are going to move forward on the heel, or to have your dog return at your … read more »

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HOWEDY Brian,

Our new dog barks constantly

Barking is a SYMPTOM of anxiHOWESNESS. You can CURE that NEARLY INSTANTLY, if you know HOWE. MAYBE FASTER. when we leave for work and the neighbors are complaining.

Your dog will GET SICK on you for lockin IT in a box and IGNORING or PUNISHING IT, Brian. MOST of the DOG LOVERS you’re asking for HEELP got SICK DOGS from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard’s SYNDROME.   He also starts barking everytime we put him in his cage.

Your dog is AFRAID of being locked in a box. We tried a citronella collar,

Dogs don’t LIKE gettin sprayed in the face with aversives, Brian. THAT will DRIVE THEM INSANE, Brian.  but he has learned to bark until its empty

  lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:   For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and   pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.   When he barks, use the line for a correction.  - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.   Lynn K. and we are contemplating a static collar…

You mean a STATIC LIKE STIMULATION collar for your BEAST FRIEND, eh Brian?

He was next to me and I could see his neck muscles pulsing.  He didn’t even blink an eye. Janet Boss

I can’t imagine needing anything higher than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG??? Opinions?

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And Give A Popping Sound To The Dog." "I’d call the SHOCK fence effective and safe. Humane is one of those hot words that people can debate all day so I won’t touch that one. There are people who would call a regular chain link fence inhumane," liea altshuller. "I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the whole cruelty thread again so I’ll state my opinion once and won’t defend it further: any method can be cruel for some dogs. Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the beginning, but we’ve come a long way since then. She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she’s been rewarded for coming, but she’s never been punished, even in the mildest way, for not coming. Is it time for that? What might I look for to tell?"

After talking with the vet yesterday and watching Cubbe all day today, I’m convinced that the shaking is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I’ll continue keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything up, I don’t see symptoms of anything neurological– and the vet agrees. –Lia

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First Things First: Proper Lead Handling 12 2B. What is a Conditioned Reflex? 14 2C. How to Install a Conditioned Reflex and Teach Any Command in Minutes 15 3. The "Hot" and "Cold" Exercise 19 4. The "Family Pack Leadership" exercise 20 5. Practicing the "Recall" or "Come" Command 22 6. Teach Any Command Through Conditioned Reflex 23 7. Use Sound to Break Bad Behavior! 24 (Also see conclusion) 7A. Other Examples of Sound to Correct Bad Behavior 26 7B. Unacceptable Expressions of Dominance 27 7C. More Subtle Examples of Unacceptable Dominance 28 7D. How to Correct Mouthing 29 7E. No Dogs on Beds! And Other Problems 33 7F. Housebreaking Technique 8. Roll-Over on the Alpha Rollover 34 The Alpha Rollover 34 9. Separation Anxiety Surrogate Toy Technique 36 9A.The Soggy Potato Chip Theory 37 10. THE WITS’ END DOG TRAINING METHOD GLOSSARY 38 10A. State Conditioned Learning 10B.Training Behaviors Using Territorial Instinct 10C. Anchoring And Triggering States Of Mind 10D. Escape, Fence Jumping, Border/Perimeter Training PART II 1. OBEDIENCE 46 2. ASK YOUR DOG TO WORK 47 2A. Back to Work 48 2B. Stay 49 2C. Sit From the Side 49 2D. Heel vs. Return to Heel 50 2E. Sit From the Front 51 3. THE HEELING PATTERN EXERCISE 52 3A. Down From the Side 56 3B. Leave Your Dog on a Stay Command 57 3C. Returning to the Heel Position 58 3D. Down From the Front 59 4. PRACTICING LONG STAY COMMANDS 60 5. STAND 62 Introduction The Wits’ End Dog Training Method is the fastest, gentlest, most effective, comprehensive behavior modification/obedience and protection training technique available anywhere… And now, it’s FREE!!! It’s copyright 2002 information, so be advised: use it wisely, and use it often; use, copy, and distribute it in it its entirety or none at all. Our no force, no nonsense, no negative re-enforcement approach is unique, systematic, and unconventional, which means no dog is too … read more »

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training dogs with shock collar

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HOWEDY Paul,

I have a two year old male mix with allot of pit bull in him. He is the sweetest dog in the whole world, and I love him very much.

That so? So you’ve come here to learn HOWE to HURT and INTIMIDATE your dog to show your appreciation for him? OF CURSE NOT! You came here to learn HOWE to HURT and INTIMIDATE your dog to KEEP IT SAFE. DIDN’T YOU. HOWE does The Amazing Puppy Wizard KNOW? EZ, paul. THAT’S the HUMAN NATURE of a DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARD MENTAL CASE. DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE:

I am looking for opinions

Dog trainin is NOT a matter of OPINION or PREFERENCE: If you can’t train ALL behaviors NEARLY INSTANTLY withHOWET PAIN FEAR FORCE BRIBERY AVOIDANCE or INTIMIDATION you’re using an ineffective method or you’re doin it wrong. The fameHOWES horse trainer Monty Roberts AGREES, and teaches similar techniques, begining with his version of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s Family Ledership Exercise. Monty’s 100% NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL techniques teaches us to "JOIN UP" with the horse, using their body language he calls Equs and other EFFECTIVE NON PHYSICAL PSYCHOLOGICAL TECHNIQUES and PRINCIPLES of behavior as taught in your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual. Monty sez abHOWET bribery and food luring: he’s "NEVER seen a horse run to the next blade of grass." Monty teaches UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TRUST GENTLENESS and CONSISTENCY and applies his techniques to problem children he fosters at his ranch, as well as doin business consultation for management personnel of corporations. Monty has FHOWEND as The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ:         In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS                       FAILURE MEANS DEATH.                      SAME SAME SAME SAME,        For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.         "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you                        and you will know each other.          If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,                 and what you do not know you will fear.                        What one fears, one destroys."                                 Chief Dan George        "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior                                      Never Change,            Or They’d Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain                 Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results                            For All Handler’s And All Dogs,                                   NEARLY INSTANTLY,        As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard’s       FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual,"                              The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ )   Same same same same applies to rearing children or successful interpresonal relationships with ALL critters, includin SP-HOWESES, employees, and employers.                  You GET The Critter You TRAINED                             A DOG Is A Dog;                          As A KAT Is A KAT;                       As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;                      As A CHILD IS A CHILD;              As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.   ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING                      ALL Critters Only Respond In           PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL                    INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;   To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment                      Which We Create For Them.        Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."             We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions                   And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.                "It is by muteness that a dog becomes                           so utterly beyond value."                          Like a confessor Priest?                                   "With him,                               –John Galsworthy.                 Don’t bet your dog won’t tell on you…                          Their behaviors reflect           HOWER words, actions and training quirks.           Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )   on books that will help me train my dogs.

You won’t be finding that anywhere in the Whole Wild World. ASK ANY WON. They’ll TELL you there IS NO WON METHOD that works on ALL critters ALL the time. The Amazing Puppy Wizard and Monty Roberts have PROVEN that to be a phallusy. EXXXPERT trainers DO NOT MODIFY their METHODS to suit the CRITTER, they MODIFY the CRITTER AS PER their EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL NON PHYSICAL CONDITIONING techniques DICTATE. OtherWIZE, they wouldn’t be SCIENTIFIC METHODS. Even so called clicker training FAILS 10% of the time according to the US GOVERNMENT ACCHOWENTING OFFICE when they asked HOWE COME they was paying for training sea mammals that wasn’t accHOWENTED for at the end of the day. Clicker training relies on BRIBERY and FORCED CON-TROLL of food. 10% of the US Military Marine Mammals Corps RUNS HOWET on them soon as they hit open water and FREE FOOD. Any GARBAGE CAN is MOORE attractive to a bribe trained dog than his handler’s weenie.  I went to the bookstore and there are tons of books.

Dog training AIN’T LUCK. "LUCK is for SUCKERS," The Puppy Wizard’s DADDY. Even gary wilkes, the "guru" of clicker trainin finally resorted to DELAYED PUNISHMENT when his clicker method FAILED             "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised                      for the good of its victims,                    may be the most oppressive.              Those who torment us for our own good                      will torment us  without end,                   for they do so with the approval              of their own conscience." – C.S. Lewis. karen pryor the "genie" of clicker trainin MURDERED HER OWN DEAD KAT on accHOWENT of she couldn’t click train IT not to mess in her stove top.             "Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",                       Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),                                 Agamemnon.   I need opinions.

    "The day may come when the rest of the animal creation                              may acquire those rights          which never could have been withholden from them                            but by the hand of tyranny.                  The question is not can they REASON,                                nor can they TALK,                            but can they SUFFER?"  -                                - Jeremy Bentham Dog training AIN’T a matter of OPINION or LUCK; it’s a PRECISE SCIENCE within the immutable Laws of Nature. ALL behaivor problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING and ALL behavior problems can be CURED NEARLY INSTANLY withHOWET HURTIN INTIMIDATING CRATING BRIBING or otherWIZE negatively interacting in ANY manner with HOWER BEAST FRIENDS, but ONLY if you follow the PROVEN EFFECTIE METHODS PRECISELY and ASK The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you need any additional FREE HEELP. You’ll train ALL behaviors NEARLY INSTANTLY or The Amazing Puppy Wizard will get the heel HOWETA this business. Thanks

          The Puppy Wizard’s Wits End Training Method         I have studied canine behavior and dog training for         years. I have a huge library that covers every system         of training.         The Puppy Wizard’s (Jerry Howe’s) Wits’ End Training         Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,         the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training         method yet discovered.         It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is         a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem         and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically         consistent manner.         Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to         understand the basis of his system and please follow         his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.         It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed         descriptions about why behavior problems occur and         how their solution should be approached.         One should not pick and choose from among his methods         based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is not a         bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system for not         only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.         When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for         you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it         produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.         You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle         with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you         praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you         will become the center of your dogs world, if you use         Jerry’s sound distraction with praise, then it takes         just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your         dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15         seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to         lie quietly and let me clip his nails).         Using Jerry’s scientific method (sound distraction /         praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to         train you dog to respond to your commands.         What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old         puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would         carry him in response to my recall command-and he         comes running every time I call no matter where we are         or what he is doing.         At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon         his leash thanks to Jerry’s hot & cold exercises and         his Family Pack Leadership exercises.        Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you        scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,        if you

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HOWEDY paul, Cc’s for EMBARRASSMENT FACTOR:

I have a two year old male mix with allot of pit bull in him.

A dog is a dog.  He is the sweetest dog in the whole world,

That so?  and I love him very much.

Oh, indeed!  My problem is

ONLY DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES POST HERE abHOWETS. when we go for a walk in the woods he will take off and chase deer, sometimes not returning for up to an hour.

Well, you could do the Monkey Macarena or chase a squirrel up a tree. Which do you think you’d PREFER? Are you a dancer? An athlete?  You gotta have physical skills and set at the heel of a EXXXPERT to learn HOWE to correct your dog’s BAD behavior. I am considering trying a shock collar

A WIZE idea, paul. THANK YOU. The Amazing Puppy Wizard needs your case history in HIS Human Behavior Research Laboratory Archives on Google. Oh, bye the bye,WELCOME, dog lover!  to train him not to run.

Right. HOWER DOG LOVERS can’t train their own dogs not to chase their own GARBAGE CANS.  Does anyone have any experience or knowledge about these products?

Yeah. It caused culprit aka kelly aka metta’s dogs (metta is culprit aka kelly’s aka on the MENTAL PERSONS news groups so she don’t get STIGMATIZED on the NOT for MENTAL PERSONS news groups) to MURDER her DEAD KAT. Shocking dogs caused granville’s Golden to maul a child’s face at the park for standin near the "SHOCK" FENCE JUST LIKE HOWE it caused liea’s dog Cubbe to ATTACK her only friend and tried to attack the children she’d been playin with till they walked into her SHOCK ZONE. Shocking dogs caused Misty’s DEAD DOG Peaches to run HOWET on her and GET DEAD. Shocking dogs made that little DEAD DOG that janet boss TRAINED to GET DEAD in "interested in hearing" like liea’s dog Cubbe and granville’s DEAD DOG, for the same same same reason. Please write.

You’re asking liars dog abusers cowards and active long term incurable mental cases for advice for information they ain’t got on accHOWENT of they got the same doGgamened problems for the same doGgamened REASON your dog RUNS HOWET on you when there’s SUMPTHIN BETTER goin on in the hood. Thanks Paul

If your dog runs HOWET on you it’s on accHOWENT of YOU DESERVED IT. BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA!!! "I’d call the SHOCK fence effective and safe. Humane is one of those hot words that people can debate all day so I won’t touch that one. There are people who would call a regular chain link fence inhumane," liea altshuller. "I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the whole cruelty thread again so I’ll state my opinion once and won’t defend it further: any method can be cruel for some dogs. Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the beginning, but we’ve come a long way since then. She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she’s been rewarded for coming, but she’s never been punished, even in the mildest way, for not coming. Is it time for that? What might I look for to tell?"

After talking with the vet yesterday and watching Cubbe all day today, I’m convinced that the shaking is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I’ll continue keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything up, I don’t see symptoms of anything neurological– and the vet agrees. –Lia

"Things are beginning to get much worse day by day and the vets seem unable to help. http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV" THAT’S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and ASYLUM ESCAPEES. BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!

He was next to me and I could see his neck muscles pulsing.  He didn’t even blink an eye. Janet Boss

I can’t imagine needing anything higher than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG??? I can’t remember what model of Innotek I have, but I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~  )   HOWEDY janet,

You know those underground wire zap fence things?

Yeah. That’s the kind janet’s DEAD STUDENT was wearing that made IT fear aggressive of visitors, like what made liea’s dog Cubbe attack liea’s only friend and tried to attach them two children she had played with till they stepped into her SHOCK ZONE like what made granville’s DEAD DOG viciHOWESLY MHOWEL that child in the park for standin next to the fence like HOWE culprit aka kelly aka metta’s dogs MURDERED her DEAD KAT for standing behind her SHOCK FENCE. REMEMBER, janet? You told them to jerk and choke IT on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar and spray aversives in ITS face and lock IT in a box when decent people visited if they’re too EMBARRASSED to HURT their dog in front them. Then you told them they’d NEED to go to your weekly CLASSES for MONTHS and it PROBABLY WOULDN’T WORK and they should MURDER their little DEAD DOG "TO BE FAIR". How is the general feel about those?

HOWER DOG LOVER PREFER THEM. Here’s a other DEAD DOG janet and her MENTALLY ILL THUG COWARD PALS MURDERED by LYING to Misty:

I don’t know whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I started using the e-fence… well, then my concern became how to keep them from running off for days on end. I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great companion and friend. Thanks Jerry!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars. Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back in the yard and would run for days. The last time, Peach didn’t come back home. I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog. She is now border trained.  A few minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around the yard. I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence and its collars.  If you can’t get a regular fence then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. The price was too high:-( ~misty

Do they work?

HOWER DOG LOVERS can’t even train their own dogs to stay behind their shock fences. The Amazing Puppy Wizard holds the veterinary behaviorists, professional trainers, humane associations, veterinary colleges, and any organization that recommends HURTING dogs to train them RESPONSIBLE for CRIMINAL ANIMAL ABUSE and HUMAN HARM and ENDANGERMENT and hold them LIABLE for ALL injuries and deaths.  Do they hurt the dog?

culprit’s opposite sex Pit Bull dogs attacked each other and MURDERED her own DEAD KAT for standin behind their SHOCK FENCE just like HOWE liea’s dog Cubbe attacked her only friend and tried to attack two little kids she PLAYED with, for standin in her SHOCK ZONE: while walking backwards

Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what it felt like to me when I got shocked by Hope’s collar. It felt like a bomb going off in my hand and forearm.

how effective are these electronic fences in keeping a dog on a property???? Some run through it. Others get shocked and become too scared to go out in the yard anymore. Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog, because the dog got caught right in the path of the shock and will now not go near his person, won’t go outside. Just hides under a desk in the house.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!! The "zap" is a correction if the dog tries to cross the line.

The SHOCK HURTS INTIMIDATES and MAKES DOGS GO INSANE, janet. LIKE THIS: "I’d call the SHOCK fence effective and safe. Humane is one of those hot words that people can debate all day so I won’t touch that one. There are people who would call a regular chain link fence inhumane," liea altshuller. "I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the … read more »

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